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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / December 2005Grrr, feeding problem
Won't go thru the whole thing again, but a few weeks ago the vet put the cat on K/D. I bought some canned and dry and started trying to get him to eat it. He didn't seem to take to the canned and after advice here against the k/d decided to try maybe some S/D and Iams that has less phos. in it over his original diet. He seemed to like the k/d dry and I kept feeding him a little at nite to use it up. Now he gets real excited over the k/d dry when I put it in the bowl. Now after a couple weeks he's decided he isn't interested in the S/D or Iams. Just wants the k/d dry. So for the heck of it I put down some of the k/d canned today after him not eating much if any of his breakfast and lunch of s/d, and he scarfes it up. So he likes it now??So What to do? Guess I'll see the vet this weekend and see if I can get some of the g/d to feed him since the opinion is that it's better for the cat than the k/d. Cats can be so frustrating. Gotta get something going here.  SignaturePaul O. oplholik@gmail.com Cat do this.... because they can! My cat goes mad for one particular food for a few weeks then turns her nose up at it all of a sudden and we go onto something else. chas > Cat do this.... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >than his original diet as far as the phos. goes and something a little >better for protein than the k/d. SignaturePaul O. My sig line is my disclaimer to any advice given Absolutely clueless when it comes to cats Learning more every day, but still clueless oplholik@hotmail.com fast your cat > Won't go thru the whole thing again, but a few weeks ago the vet put the cat > on K/D. I bought some canned and dry and started trying to get him to eat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the g/d to feed him since the opinion is that it's better for the cat than > the k/d. Cats can be so frustrating. Gotta get something going here. I really think x/d would be a better choice than SD regular diets because its moderate in protein, low in phosphorus and also low in acidity. X/d is almost identical to k/d in acidity. Even though I think k/d is too low in protein for a cat in early-stage CRF, it would probably be ok for your cat since he really likes it and will probably eat enough of it to provide a safety margin of protein. You'd just have to keep a close watch on his weight for early signs of loss. Phil > I really think x/d would be a better choice than SD regular diets because > its moderate in protein, low in phosphorus and also low in acidity. X/d [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >evening. I'm wondering if these are a more complete food compared to the >pouch since he seems to be happy with this lesser amount. Thanks. SignaturePaul O. oplholik@gmail.com > > I really think x/d would be a better choice than SD regular diets because > > its moderate in protein, low in phosphorus and also low in acidity. X/d [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > >I want to try and get some x/d this weekend. Sounds like a good move. I'd be more concerned about restricting acidity and phosphorus, right now, than restricting protein. Phosphorus restriction is more important than protein restriction because phosphorus retention and hyperparathyroidism can occur in renal cats *before* serum phosphorus concentrations rise above normal. For the k/d I'm not sure how > >much would be enough. Neither am I. The problem is k/d is energy-dense (477 kcal/cup) and protein-poor (6.7 g/100 kcal). So, I don't know if he could eat the volume of food necessary to take in enough protein before he reaches satiety. Hill's should make two versions of k/d- one for stage 1-3 that contains a little more protein and one for stage 3 and 4 CRF. Cats have a higher protein requirement than dogs and can't adapt to a low protein intake. If they can't get enough protein from their diet, cats will start to metabolize body muscle proteins. That's why so many renal cats deteriorate and look emaciated- because of muscle wasting. Protein deficiency also results in an impaired immunological response and reduced resistance to infection and reduced hemoglobin production that leads to anemia. Protein restriction in cats is very tricky business. What I have wondered tho, is on his original diet, > >Nutro in the pouch he was eating about 8 1/2 - 9 ounces a day. Ever since Nutro went off fixed-formulation and onto least-cost formulation, I haven't had a clue about the nutritional values of their diets because they vary so much from batch to batch. The phosphorus and calcium levels in all Nutro diets were rising steadily for a few years before Nutro pulled the typical analyses from their website. High P and Ca contents in a cat food are usually a sign of poor quality meat (more ground up bone-less actual meat). Taking him off Nutro is one of the best things you can do for him! Believe it or not, I was strong proponent of Nutro years ago- until they changed their formulation. Now with the > >k/d, s/d and Iams, Actually, Iams Ocean Fish & Rice isn't too bad- about .75% phosphorus (DMB). whichever he decides he wants on a particular day, I > >only feed him about 5 - 6 ounces including 1 ounce of k/d dry late in the > >evening. I'm wondering if these are a more complete food compared to the > >pouch since he seems to be happy with this lesser amount. Could be. Cats generally eat to meet their energy needs- when they've met them, cats usually stop eating- unless their satiety cues are overridden by exceptionally palatable diets or some behavioral problem. Best of luck, Phil > What I have wondered tho, is on his original diet, >> >Nutro in the pouch he was eating about 8 1/2 - 9 ounces a day. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >s/d and Iams, he seems to be more energenic and playful, specially just >after eating. SignaturePaul O. oplholik@gmail.com
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