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zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Mar 2004 09:12 GMT I just read an article online that is a perfect illustration of how cats potentially lose their homes because someone is suckered/manipulated by someone that they are "in love" with. That there is even a question in this woman's mind after what this jerk pulled is amazing to me. I wrote a response which I will include at the end and I urge others to email if they feel the same as I do.
Megan
From: http://www.newsday.com/features/columnists/ny-etcolumn3708495mar16,0,6062987,pri nt.column?coll=ny-features-columnists
When suddenly you are the cats' meow by Katti Gray March 16, 2004 Baby is the first-born cat in the feline clan sharing my apartment, an 13-year- old gray tabby with black stripes across his back, a chest of snow white and what my veterinarian once called a wide, well-appointed Roman nose. "You mean African nose. He lives in a black woman's house," I countered, then cracked up right along with the vet. Before moving in with me in 1995, Baby had spent most of his first four years cowering behind a bookshelf in the condo where Don McIntyre, the cat's former caretaker, lent me a spare bedroom as I hunted for a home to buy. I retreated from the home- buyer trail after a few months. The week before I was to sign a lease on another apartment, Baby crept one night from his corner into the borrowed bedroom, inched toward me and backed away several times, eventually heading back to his corner. He repeated the same over the course of a few days before finally edging close enough for me to scratch his head. With my small talk, I'd also been trying to coax Baby out of his hiding place. I'd been filling Baby's food and water bowls and cleaning his litter box because Don, a college classmate, had been more attuned to his human needs than the cat's. On the eve of my departure from the condo, I asked if the cat might take his leave with me. "Sure," Don said, "You can have him." Just like that. Baby needed a better home. He got deathly ill - or so it appeared - the week I started setting up house in a new place. He spent a couple nights at the vet, recovering miraculously from something nasty in his blood the vet said could have killed him. Baby got vaccinated and neutered and a whole new life. He began to look happy, his coat gleamed, appetite grew and, when lights went out at night, he took to leaping upside the walls at phantoms. (That habit continues as he ages. I call it the midnight crazies.) Baby also became fixated on me, was steadily underfoot. When I moved, he moved. Where I slept, he slept. When I opened the door at day's end, he was waiting there on his haunches, looking forlorn and, by his expression, wondering why in the world I'd been gone so long. Getting another cat might help, I decided. She came in the form of a calico kitten. A former NYPD sergeant in Northport who rescues abandoned and abused animals let me pick Cally - the ex-cop's choice of names, not mine - from her brood of dogs, cats, birds, et al. Sugar Gray was the new name I wrote on the vet's sign-in sheet, Shug for short. She barely grew at all and turned out to have feline leukemia. For a few weeks after Shug was diagnosed, I dedicated hundreds of dollars toward making her well. When she drew her last breath, she had not reached her first birthday yet. Her eyes were open and the vet's euthanizing needle in her vein, and I wept harder than I had over my father's grave. After Shug, the ex-cop gave me a tortoise-haired beauty I renamed She, one that begs for scraps at the table. I shoo her away when company comes. After She, came Scarface. Afraid she might contract some fatal disease during the months- long quarantine required by the government in South Africa, where my brother worked at the time, I took Scarface in as a temporary boarder for my niece, my brother's child. The arrangement is entering a fifth year. Being a cat woman was not my plan. Dogs, animals that can manage well outdoors, were the preference in my Arkansas family. Animals belong outside, my father said, laying the hammer down. "The cats come with me," I said, laying the hammer down with suitors I'd entertained since becoming a caretaker of cats. The current sweetheart was kind to the cats from the start. He let me hand him my heart and appeared to bear up under the cats before declaring - now that we are in deep - that he'd have a difficult time with animals in the house, what with fur balls and scoopers and ruined furniture and cat hairs all over. Who goes? The sweetheart or the cats? Most of my friends think the question absurd. "Girl, do you know what time it is?" asked Freda Thomas, high on my short list of chums. "Take the man. Hands down. Take the man." I do lean in that direction. But I find myself, an unexpected cat- woman, in a jam. Truly in a jam.
Katti Gray's e-mail address is kgray@newsday.com
My response:
The cats or the guy...you think you are in a jam?
I think not.
Someone that truly loved you and was the *right* one would never ask you or attempt to manipulate you into giving up your beloved pets.
Someone that truly loved you and was worth your time would willingly and lovingly accept those that came before him.
If the price of love means abandoning pets that, unlike humans, have blessed you with unconditional love and trust, it is a price that you should refuse to pay. If a man came to me trying to pull that junk, the door *would* hit his a.s on the way out, along with my foot. Hard.
Cats are a wonderful barometer with regard to a person's character. This man is playing dirty in a very subtle way (which makes what he is doing even more heinous.) I would like to believe that someone that comes across as intelligently as you do would not be so desperate to have a man that you would be so easily manipulated and sacrifice the ones you love.
Who knows what the future holds, but my hope is that one of two things will happen. You'll dump this jerk and eventually meet a truly wonderful man that loves you *and* your cats, or you'll decide that you're comfortable living "as is" and ignore the silly pressures your friends seem to want to inflict on you. Either way, you'll win. So will the cats.
Megan
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Karen - 16 Mar 2004 15:52 GMT > I just read an article online that is a perfect illustration of how cats > potentially lose their homes because someone is suckered/manipulated by [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > From: http://www.newsday.com/features/columnists/ny-etcolumn3708495mar16,0,6062987,pri nt.column?coll=ny-features-columnists
> When suddenly you are the cats' meow > by Katti Gray [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > Megan My response:
Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My opinion is, you've made commitments to some living beings and now some man is saying get rid of them? What else is he going to want you to change? What is he giving up? Is it a living dependent? Friends who indicate give up the cats for the man are not truly thinking of your happiness, not, that is, if these cats really mean something to you, and neither is your boyfriend thinking of your happiness but only his own comfort. If it's an ultimatum, I'd definitely keep the cats. They won't walk out on you if you have some part of your life that doesn't "suit" them.
Karen
MGW - 16 Mar 2004 16:31 GMT >Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you >love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I'd definitely keep the cats. They won't walk out on you if you have some >part of your life that doesn't "suit" them. Even more, this has all the warning signs of an abuser. They come across as charming and caring, but then start taking control over your whole life. First give up the cats. Then give up your friends. Then get angry if you do anything without their permission.
Karen M. - 16 Mar 2004 23:16 GMT > >Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you > >love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > whole life. First give up the cats. Then give up your friends. Then > get angry if you do anything without their permission. Amen to everyone's responses. I know if someone wanted me to get rid of my animals they'd have to surgically remove my foot from their A**!
:) m. L. Briggs - 16 Mar 2004 23:39 GMT >> >Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you >> >love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >of my animals they'd have to surgically remove my foot from their A**! >:) Think of the scar that would leave!
Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Mar 2004 02:57 GMT Karen M. <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Amen to everyone's responses. I know if someone wanted me to get > rid of my animals they'd have to surgically remove my foot from > their A**! >:) For some reason I kept hooking up with boyfriends who were allergic to cats and I was always faced with getting rid of Kami or the boyfriend. Well, I've had Kami going on 16 years. ;) I was talking to my trainer yesterday and said something about just going "splat" like my cat if I tried to stoop down to set the dumb bells down he had wrecked my legs. LOL! He said, "Ugh, I hate cats." I said that I think these guys who kept saying they were allergic just hated cats and wouldn't face up to it. He replied, "Could be true. I've done it thinking they'd get rid of it."
At least he's honest (not to mention cute as HELL!)
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Karen Chuplis - 17 Mar 2004 03:26 GMT > Karen M. <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > At least he's honest (not to mention cute as HELL!) People who "hate cats" usually just have not lived with them.
Karen
Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Mar 2004 03:37 GMT Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> in article ba040c9921926eaeccbeadc5a7ba569c@news.teranews.com, > Brandy??Alexandre at brandy@kamikaze.orgy wrote on 3/16/04 7:57 [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Karen That's true. You have to watch them for a while to appreciate how "cat" they are. One of Kami's beds sits on the raised hearth of my fireplace. She throws herself into one side of it and it slowly slides to the edge over time. I was watching her one night as the bed started to slide off. She was very nonchalant trying to shift her weight so it would stop sliding, but she stayed with it the whole foot to ground, got up, and licked her paw to wash her face, "I meant to do that."
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Cheryl - 17 Mar 2004 03:55 GMT > She was very nonchalant trying to shift her weight so it > would stop sliding, but she stayed with it the whole foot to ground, > got up, and licked her paw to wash her face, "I meant to do that." That "I meant to do that" action is one of the things I love about cats. They're so good at it. Dogs don't even notice. Cats actually act like "we" do. They probably look around in their own way wondering if anyone saw them.
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Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Mar 2004 05:14 GMT Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > actually act like "we" do. They probably look around in their own > way wondering if anyone saw them. LOL! Yeah, she glanced at me like, "Oh? Did you see that?" and so on. It's too funny. I really wish she would take the easy route off the bed I set up for her, but she does this, "Damn it, I'm a cat. I'll jump off the bed, thank you." And with the splat of the weak hind legs, "I meant to do that."
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Meghan Noecker - 17 Mar 2004 08:48 GMT >LOL! Yeah, she glanced at me like, "Oh? Did you see that?" and so on. >It's too funny. And don't you dare laugh. Horrible glares, and no cuddles for awhile. I have cover my mouth and look aware if it was too funny.
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Meghan Noecker - 17 Mar 2004 08:46 GMT >That's true. You have to watch them for a while to appreciate how >"cat" they are. One of Kami's beds sits on the raised hearth of my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >would stop sliding, but she stayed with it the whole foot to ground, >got up, and licked her paw to wash her face, "I meant to do that." Reminds me of something Kira does. If she is on a chair, and you tilt it as a hint for her to leave, she will keep readjusting her weight so as to stay on top. My nephew had the seat of the chair vertical, and she was sitting comfortably on what would normally be the back of the chair where the seat attaches. She was not getting off.
One time, I stood up, and she just held onto my clothes. I did end up using my arms to support her weight as I walked through the house, but she was attached to the front of my jeans. A bit stubborn, and very cute.
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MaryL - 17 Mar 2004 15:29 GMT > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:37:31 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" > <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Holly does that if she is on my lap and doesn't want to get up when I do. She isn't a lap cat -- only *she* can select the times when she will curl up on my lap. But when she does, she also thinks that *only she* should decide when it's time to get down.
MaryL
Meghan Noecker - 18 Mar 2004 10:28 GMT >Holly does that if she is on my lap and doesn't want to get up when I do. >She isn't a lap cat -- only *she* can select the times when she will curl up >on my lap. But when she does, she also thinks that *only she* should decide >when it's time to get down. Kira always swears. I try to avoid getting up if I don't have to, especially if it is Maynard (the elderly boy), but sometimes I have to. It;s funny how we cater to them.
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Meghan Noecker - 17 Mar 2004 08:43 GMT >People who "hate cats" usually just have not lived with them. For some of them, it is a control thing. Cats are typically not obedient. They do their own thing. They are not as controllable as a dog. So, many people who can't stand to be out of control do not like cats. They may not even realize why.
I do know that some people who say they don't like cats have said it is because they don't come when called or they can't be trained.
That said, all of my cats usually come when called. They aren't really trained. They just think it is good to come - they usually get a treat or some extra attention.
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Wendy - 17 Mar 2004 13:10 GMT > > Karen M. <misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com> wrote in > > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Karen One of the dh's (many) endearing qualities is that he had been a look-what-"followed"-me-home-can-I-keep-him/her kid. Come to think of it he still is only now it's "you should see the cat they have up at PetSmart". lol
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Sherry - 17 Mar 2004 15:57 GMT >One of the dh's (many) endearing qualities is that he had been a >look-what-"followed"-me-home-can-I-keep-him/her kid. Come to think of it he >still is only now it's "you should see the cat they have up at PetSmart". >lol > >W Beware, Wendy. :-) My son is the same way. Unfortunately, that endearing trait also spills over into the human species. He brought a homeless woman living in her car home last summer and told her she could live with us till she got on her feet. . I was afraid she'd cut our throats in the middle of the night or something. It turned out okay, but we had to lay down a ground rule "No stray humans."
Sherry
Wendy - 17 Mar 2004 18:11 GMT > >One of the dh's (many) endearing qualities is that he had been a > >look-what-"followed"-me-home-can-I-keep-him/her kid. Come to think of it he [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sherry You've done a good job raising him. You obviously taught him compassion.
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Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Mar 2004 18:26 GMT Wendy <wendypart@nospam.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> You've done a good job raising him. You obviously taught him > compassion. My mother talked a good show on that, but whenever I played with the little girl next door with the leg braces (I later figured out was due to cerebral palsy), my mother asked how I could stand to play with her. Okay, she was a little lurchy with the walk and she drooled some, but she was. They had a player piano and her mom did hair. :)
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Wendy - 18 Mar 2004 13:03 GMT > Wendy <wendypart@nospam.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Okay, she was a little lurchy with the walk and she drooled some, but > she was. They had a player piano and her mom did hair. :) So you learned compassion in spite of her?
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Brandy??Alexandre - 18 Mar 2004 18:16 GMT Wendy <wendypart@nospam.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> So you learned compassion in spite of her? Pretty much. Like so many other things, there could be a nature or nuture component to compassion. I'm a Cancer, it's supposed to be nature for us. ;)
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Annie Wxill - 17 Mar 2004 19:18 GMT ...> ... It turned out okay, but we had to lay down a ground rule "No stray
> humans." > > Sherry This is too funny. I'm glad it turned out O.K. Does that mean you were able to find a place for the homeless woman? Annie
Sherry - 17 Mar 2004 23:35 GMT >This is too funny. I'm glad it turned out O.K. Does that mean you were >able to find a place for the homeless woman? >Annie Yes, we got her hooked up with an agency. The really frightening part is, she had worked for a corporation in AR, gotten laid off. Came here because she'd heard about a job..it didn't pan out, and she didn't have any support, ended up living in her car. . Totally scary how quickly circumstances can unfold to make a person homeless, if they don't have a family support system. Sort of a "there but for the Grace of God" situation.
Sherry
Annie Wxill - 18 Mar 2004 02:21 GMT ... Totally scary how quickly circumstances can unfold to make
> a person homeless, if they don't have a family support system. Sort of a "there > but for the Grace of God" situation. > Sherry That is so true and so sad when it happens like that. Annie
Meghan Noecker - 18 Mar 2004 10:33 GMT >>This is too funny. I'm glad it turned out O.K. Does that mean you were >>able to find a place for the homeless woman? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >a person homeless, if they don't have a family support system. Sort of a "there >but for the Grace of God" situation. One summer, I did a 2 week summer study program at a university 600 miles away. I came home to find out that a pregnant teenager had lived in my room for a week. Nothing was missing, and I never met the poor girl, but it sure was a shock to find out that somebody had been sharing my room, and nobody asked me.
We also hosted a nice couple for a few weeks when their grandson was at the hospital here with cancer. The parents were housed in the McDonald house, but they don't do grandparents. They were all from Airzona, and they had a friend there who knew my parents. So, we had two people we had never met before, move in with us for an unknown period of time. It worked out great. They seemed like old friends right away, and it was a pleasure to help them stay close to their family during that horrible time without having to worry about hotel costs and food.
We have to know when to draw the line, but certainly it is good to be able to help when you can.
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Ray Ban - 17 Mar 2004 01:12 GMT > >Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you > >love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > whole life. First give up the cats. Then give up your friends. Then > get angry if you do anything without their permission. Whoa! Slow down! It could be that the man just do not like cats. Maybe he prefers dogs or snakes or birds?
MaryL - 17 Mar 2004 01:21 GMT > > >Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you > > >love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Whoa! Slow down! It could be that the man just do not like cats. Maybe > he prefers dogs or snakes or birds? It would be equally as bad if he wanted to get rid of them (if she had them as pets instead of cats). This man is treating pets as disposable objects. Instead, *he* should become the disposable object in this woman's life.
MaryL
MGW - 17 Mar 2004 01:28 GMT > > Even more, this has all the warning signs of an abuser. They come > > across as charming and caring, but then start taking control over your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Whoa! Slow down! It could be that the man just do not like cats. Maybe > he prefers dogs or snakes or birds? The reason I said that he shows the warning signs of an abuser is because he pretended to like the cats at first. If his dislike of cats is truly the issue, then he should have been open about that at the beginning.
Meghan Noecker - 17 Mar 2004 08:39 GMT >> > Even more, this has all the warning signs of an abuser. They come >> > across as charming and caring, but then start taking control over your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >cats is truly the issue, then he should have been open about that at >the beginning. Yes, and if he is truly against animals, then he isn't a good match for somebody who loves them.
My dad was raised without animals and for many years, he was not an animal person, but he chose to marry my mother and accept the package deal. He may have complained about the animals running our lives, but he never suggesting giving them up. And when us kids turned out to be animal lovers too, he let is have them.
There are times now when he still gets upset with them more than I think he should, but I think of all he has put up with, and I am very appreciative. I don't know how he survived us, but he has become a very good animal lover too. He does get impatient with them sometimes, but I see him giving them etxra treats, playing with the dogs, and rubbing he cat when he gets a chance.
If somebody is unwilling to accept the package deal, then they need to look elsewhere. I would not dream of marrying a non-animal lover. What good would that do to have arguments all the time. My life is about animals. My business is to photograph them, and of course I have my own. As soon as I can afford it, I will have a horse too.
I would much rather find a guy who also has animals (as long as they aren't inclined to eat mine or vice versa, that would be horrible). Then we can each be happy and similar in our beliefs of how animals should be treated.
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Ray Ban - 18 Mar 2004 03:40 GMT > > > Even more, this has all the warning signs of an abuser. They come > > > across as charming and caring, but then start taking control over your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cats is truly the issue, then he should have been open about that at > the beginning. Maybe he didn't want to say anything at first because he thought that there might be a chance that he'll grow to like the cats. But as the relationship grew, his dislike for the cats remained.
Mary - 18 Mar 2004 03:44 GMT > > > > Even more, this has all the warning signs of an abuser. They come > > > > across as charming and caring, but then start taking control over your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > there might be a chance that he'll grow to like the cats. But as the > relationship grew, his dislike for the cats remained. Why are you making excuses for this cat-hating loser?
I demand to know!
;)
Ray Ban - 19 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT > > MGW <mgw1979@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:<0s6f50dra5dr61r7c32dnfre95uomc3gha@4ax.com>... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > ;) Just because someone don't like cats (not the same as hating cats) doesn't make that person bad. You all jump to negative conclusions because this man does not like cats.
Brandy??Alexandre - 19 Mar 2004 00:22 GMT Ray Ban <ray2003092003@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Just because someone don't like cats (not the same as hating cats) > doesn't make that person bad. You all jump to negative conclusions > because this man does not like cats. I relayed the information to my cute little 22-year-old trainer that he didn't like cats because he was a control freak and he didn't take it very well. :) In fact, it got me ZERO rest between sets.
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 19 Mar 2004 04:35 GMT > I relayed the information to my cute little 22-year-old trainer that he > didn't like cats because he was a control freak and he didn't take it > very well. :) In fact, it got me ZERO rest between sets. Teachers (and I consider trainers to be teachers) are usually control freaks, too. Therefore, the fact that he's a cat-hater *and* a teacher probably means he's more of a control-freak that usual :-)
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Brandy??Alexandre - 19 Mar 2004 04:37 GMT Rona Yuthasastrakosol <prasantrin@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> I relayed the information to my cute little 22-year-old trainer >> that he didn't like cats because he was a control freak and he [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > rona Yeah, like I'm going to deliver that kind of news TWICE while in the gym. ;)
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Mary - 19 Mar 2004 05:31 GMT > Teachers (and I consider trainers to be teachers) are usually control > freaks, too. Therefore, the fact that he's a cat-hater *and* a teacher > probably means he's more of a control-freak that usual :-) One of my very favorite perverse pleasures is to drive control freaks insane, slowly but surely. I'd tell you how I do it but then I'd have to kill you. :p
Perhaps just a hint: What makes them most vulnerable is their naked need to control. Make them think they are then slowwwwly spin it out so that they see they have *never* been in control of you.
cackle cackle cackle!
Why are they fair game? Because being a control freak generally means being a bully to one degree or another. I hate bullies.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 19 Mar 2004 17:28 GMT Mary(rosefan) , who constantly net nannys and posts about certain behaviors as "bad form" posted this gem to MaryL, who has been polite throughout their discussion in another thread and was simply asking for clarification:
>Reread the goddamned thread. Idiot. Then posted this:
>being a control freak generally means >being a bully to one degree or another. I >hate bullies. Then you must feel a lot of self-loathing.
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Karen - 19 Mar 2004 00:27 GMT > > > MGW <mgw1979@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:<0s6f50dra5dr61r7c32dnfre95uomc3gha@4ax.com>... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > doesn't make that person bad. You all jump to negative conclusions > because this man does not like cats. No. We are observing that you don't start dating someone and then request them to decide between you and their pets. You make it clear much earlier if that is going to be a decision.
Karen
Mary - 19 Mar 2004 01:11 GMT > Just because someone don't like cats (not the same as hating cats) > doesn't make that person bad. Are you out of your mind? Of COURSE it does.
Karen Chuplis - 17 Mar 2004 03:23 GMT >>> Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you >>> love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Whoa! Slow down! It could be that the man just do not like cats. Maybe > he prefers dogs or snakes or birds? He proceeded with the relationship knowing she had cats. So, that makes it OK for him to tell her to give them up for him? I don't think so. Perhaps he like her to get some lipsuction too. And maybe she should dress different if they are to go on. Please.
Karen
Cat Protector - 17 Mar 2004 02:29 GMT Some people are just dense and it has to be all about them. This does have the signs of an abuser but also someone who gets in way over their head when they say they can handle it. I myself would not give up my cats if a woman I was dating said it was either them or the cats. I would point them to the door and say the cats stay so you know who the loser of this one is. I am still single because I have yet to find a woman who loves felines. Most of the ones I run into have a dog or bluntly say they hate cats. Usually after that I will end the conversation and the search goes on. Of course, I also listen to Isis and Jade and they will clue me in if they like a woman I am with. So far, they really haven't liked anyone yet.
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> Why would someone who supposedly loves you ask you to give up the cats you > love? In my opinion, warning flags should pop up all over the place. My [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Karen m. L. Briggs - 17 Mar 2004 02:37 GMT >Some people are just dense and it has to be all about them. This does have >the signs of an abuser but also someone who gets in way over their head when [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >listen to Isis and Jade and they will clue me in if they like a woman I am >with. So far, they really haven't liked anyone yet. You are probably looking in the wrong places. Try cat shows, veterinary offices, Even if you don't find someone there, perhaps they could give you a lead elsewhere. Happy hunting.
.oO rach Oo. - 17 Mar 2004 05:20 GMT This woman needs to get the guy on the shovel and do two things... buy a vibrator and two... a life time supply of batteries.
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> I just read an article online that is a perfect illustration of how cats > potentially lose their homes because someone is suckered/manipulated by [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > From: http://www.newsday.com/features/columnists/ny-etcolumn3708495mar16,0,6062987 ,print.column?coll=ny-features-columnists
> When suddenly you are the cats' meow > by Katti Gray [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Cat Protector - 17 Mar 2004 07:40 GMT She just needs to meet a guy who is truly a cat lover. The problem with some women though is that they'll give in without seeing the warning signs of a potential abuser or controller. Thus the cats end up being the innocent victims. What a shame.
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> This woman needs to get the guy on the shovel and do two things... buy a > vibrator and two... a life time supply of batteries. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > From: http://www.newsday.com/features/columnists/ny-etcolumn3708495mar16,0,6062987
> ,print.column?coll=ny-features-columnists > > [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > > > > - W.H. Murray
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