I think he has already crossed the line.  As much as I love cats, and have
put up with my "Bitch Cat From Hell" biting and scratching me, I still
wouldn't risk losing my eye or other serious injury.  Not that I would give
the cat away, but you definitely need to keep him away from you until you
are sure he won't injure you again.  I would seriously consider, at least
temporarily, medicating the cat.  Vets now-a-days are a lot more
knowledgeable about this and yours should be able to safely prescribe
something that will keep your cat from attacking you.

Hugs,

CatNipped

Cat's getting what he wants, more attention... and scaring you away when he
wants to.. why should he stop?

Gaya learned the hard way not to jump my face.. once and for all... now
she's cuddly, purring and totally loving but when she gets aggressive, one
look from me sends her looking for another victim.. generally the dog..

There's a world between beating up animals and teaching your cat that
cutting open your face is not going to go.

Yeah, get DH to handle this, not you.

He should defend you from her, by whatever means is appropriate.

IMHO   Looking at the situation logically, I would give up on the cat
before giving up an eye.   And again, logically, who could you give this
cat to without the possibility of it attacking another person, perhaps a
child.?   Perhaps a no-kill shelter would be the answer.  MLB

I know many people would

Hi Amy,
Have you considered consulting with a professional cat behaviorist?
That's what I would recommend in your situation.  Your vet should be
able to recommend someone in your area.  Also, I would not let the cat
in the bedroom when you are sleeping, at least for now.  It sounds much
too dangerous at this point.

Good luck.  I really hope you can work this out.

Lauren

don't be a target, she's making sport of you.

ooo! i'd suprise her good, with say..a water ballon...(condoms work
too)
pop it up next to her...on the ground

Sure, medication isn't something to be done casually, but it really sounds
like you have tried all the right tactics, I really think it's time to try
the meds, combined with what you are already doing behaviorly, I believe
that's your best chance for a succesful outcome.  

I call my cat a dominant dog. I was nice to him, like you, and it did no
good. Then I asserted myself, was very firm, put him in timeout when he
bit, etc., and he's improved dramatically (not perfectly, but
dramatically), even to the point of showing some submissive behaviours.

Keep him away from your face, and don't try to sleep with him.

And don't let him bite. It leaves scars.

This is interesting. I have noticed with cats that are aggressive are
often declawed and use biting as a means of establishing themselves as
the new rulers. But your cat scratched you so obviously not declawed.
How big is the cat and how much does he weigh? Are you strong enough to
pick him up by the scruff of the neck? I'm not suggesting this in this
case, might be dangerous, just trying to get a handle on your unusual
problem. Are you near any professional animal trainers? I tried clicker
training with cats. Kind of works. They use it also with big cats, like
lions and tigers. And it's been used with aggressive animals. There is
a popular book, Clicker Training, but I think it would be best to
consult a professional who knows about changing behaviors. It's hard to
learn Clicker Training or any training from a book unless you have a
talent for it.

You're fooling yourself if you think there is any diplomatic way to change
this situation. It's possible you may never be able to have a loving
relationship with this critter. The first step is asserting yourself via a
swift kick to the nutsack. This creature's respect for you must be instilled
first and since the animal has chosen the hostility route, acquiring that
respect by virtue or by fear is a rather moot point. Once he has the idea
that you will be respected, possibilities open up beyond being a target for
his misdirected aggression. The extent of any relationship may be short and
slim but let's not lose sight of the fact that this is an animal. You don't
have to endure his bullshit.

<snip>

This is a serious situation (and I think your vet's "advice" is likely to
make things worse).  I would like to recommend that you look into the Tufts
University Petfax Program (through their School of Veterinary Medicine).
This is a consulting service for pet behavioral problems.  I have read many
positive reports about them, and my sister used the service at one time.  I
think the original consultation was $198.00, but it included 3 follow-ups.
There is a report to fill out first, and the people who posted about it
stressed that it is very important to include *all details*.  Here are two
links --

Tufts School of Veterinary Medicine Petfax Program:
http://www.tufts.edu/vet/petfax/
consulting service for pet behavioral problems

About the Petfax Program:
http://www.tufts.edu/vet/petfax/about.html

MaryL

you know how i feel

HOWEDY MaryLyon,

Re: Husband's cat hates me - follow up

You mean like THIS?:

From: billyspra...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:44:24 GMT

Subject: Re: my dog bites me.

Personally, I have ZERO tolerance for a dog who shows

INAPPROPRIATE aggression toward people.  I recommend
you adjust his attitude.  A 158 grain weight placed
behind his ear should do the trick.  Use a .357
magnum to put the weight where you will need it.

"You just need to grow a set of balls. I've always
loved my german shepherds and would be nice to them,
but whenever they acted aggressive and dominant towards
me, I would shout them into submission. If they'd snap
or growl at me, I'd grab them by the neck, slap them
around and show them who's boss, and they respect that
I would never put up with the kind of sh.t you mentioned.
- Logic316"

"we got tips from obedience classes which neva worked.
so all house members, including me do what u just mentioned.
doesnt matter how we do but he gets dragged n kept in the
bad room. for our safety and his. and yes we've hit him. we
resorted 2 this 2 show him who's boss cos the nicey nice
obedience tips dont work.  its not him growlign but the way
he does it and then trys to turn on us. its as if someone
(the devil) has taken over his mind. its really that weird."

Your kat doesn't HATE you, she's AFRAID of you..

ALL AGGRESSION  IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{) ; ~ )  >

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
              PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

               You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                      As A KAT Is A KAT;
                    As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                    As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                  As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
             As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

          Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
                We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

            In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                      FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                          SAME SAME,
            For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

                "If You Talk With The Animals,
                   They Will Talk With You
                And You Will Know Each Other.

                  If You Do Not Talk To Them,
                   You Will Not Know Them,
                   And What You Do Not Know
                       You Will Fear.

                What One Fears, One Destroys,"-
                   -Chief Dan George,
             adapted with permission from his FREE
             copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
             End Dog Training Method Manual.

You was told to hurt intimidate and bribe your kitty kat:

From: "whitershadeofpale" <bigbadba...@adelphia.net>
Date: 9 Dec 2005 19:02:29 -0800

Subject: Re: Husband's cat hates me - follow up

Lumpy wrote:

It is very interesting, how people handle things.

One sees it this way, one sees it another.

In cases that are extreme, we have to be extreme (im not

saying anything new)

I can't help but feel that a majority of cat slaves are

scared of losing the cats affection by cracking down on

them..nonsense, break bad on em. This is not about physical
domination but a display of will.

                    -----------

"doesnt matter how we do but he gets dragged n kept in the
bad room. for our safety and his. and yes we've hit him. we
resorted 2 this 2 show him who's boss cos the nicey nice
obedience tips dont work."

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
"DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS" <{); ~ ) >

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated.

Despite this, and despite the fact that there was no
evidence of cognitive association with the words, the
authors leap to the conclusion that the fact that the
boys improved in the acquisition of Norwegian words
WITHOUT REWARDS while still being given English
words WITH REWARDS suggest hat the children may
be able to acquire new behaviors on their own.

The need for this study escapes one, particularly in
view of the very well established fact that schizophrenics
condition quite readily (Mednick, 1958)

Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic
children improved enough to go to school without
"anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy or
as psychotherapy at all..."

Autistic children have been known to become
permenantely social by deinstitutionalization,
BY REMOVAL from the parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES
in other environments, and by MASSIVE DOSAGE of
TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE THE
REJECTION OF THE CHILD."

Good.

That's NOT EXXXACTLY gonna teach kitty what you HOPE for...

LikeWIZE:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

INDEEDY:

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior."

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

He's probably trying to get DH to return or
for you to give him another cookie.

He's probably trying to get DH to return or
for you to give him another cookie...

"Skinner (1948, 1953) approaches a definition of the
philosophical issues involved, and provides an utopian
model of a school, but generally psychologists seem
STUCK at a level of MANAGEMENT of an aggressively
disturbing child in the classroom, through peer approval,
or the aplication of accelerating CONsequences in the
classroom, or scientifically S-HOWENDING tactics like
"TIME HOWET" (which we used to know more simply
as "sendin the kid to the cloakroom")."

As you should be.

Good, we dog sumpthin we can work with, then...

INDEEDY. HOWEver, HOWER EXXXPERTS RESOLVE THAT problem
by simply MURDERIN the defenseless dumb critter <{); ~ ) >

Not to worry...

As you should be.

Oooops! PROBLEMO! Your VET DON'T KNOW NUTHIN abHOWET
behavior and training <{); ~ ) >

SEE???

You should PRAISE HIM.

Naaah?

Your VET should be THROWN IN JAIL.

NOT QUITE. You offerin the kat bribes CAUSES FEAR, not dominance.

Your VET is a MENTAL CASE.

Feliway WORKS EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE your VET
recommended.

That's ABSURD. THERE AIN'T NO MEDICATION which INSTILLS TRUST.

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated.

There AIN'T NO SUCH THING.

No, it's the domain of MENTAL CASES who HURT
INTIMDIATE BRIBE CRATE MUTILATE and MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters <{); ~ ) >

You've already crossed THAT.

Good. Then you've got ONLY WON alternative left:

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Of curse:

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last
Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation
Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management
Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

BET YOUR LIFE ON IT.

The only WON foolin anyWON is the EXXXPERTS who've
told you to punish intimidate crate mutilate bribe
and murder your kitty kat.

HOWEDY probe,

probe wrote:

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ )  >

Your use of distraction fails on accHOWENT of you didn't
INSTANTLY PRAISE the sound, probe. THE QUESTION
is: Re: Doin The Math 1+1+1= ?

You got a ANSWER, probe?

These are FAMILY news groups, probe.  Seems you're
still traumatized by that alien abduction thing, eh
probe? Did they probe you three ways, probe?

Been in therapy THAT long, eh probe? You'll get over it.

INDEEDY. Still makin pals an heelpin folks into treatment

facilities.

Perhaps they're all busy with namin the new puppy
an guessin mixed breeds an talkin abHOWET snow
snot and commercial dog food.

Funny, hunh? Last time we played grabass the poster MURDERED
his DEAD PUPPY DOG on his veterinary behaviorists advice <{) ; ~ ) >

REMEMBER?

Yeah, but we was talkin abHOWET jerking choking bribing

crating mutilating and shocking dogs to train them. And
we was talkin abHOWET HOWE COME Search And Rescue dogs
DON'T FIND their victims even on EZ searches for any puppy
dog to make.

INDEEDY <{): ~ )  >

AS STATED:

Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)

Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat
reports all is well. She has been running DDR for well
over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of the
other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living
in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day.

Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day
she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair
all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom
door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie.

Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but
JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came
into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came
into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her.

Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR
outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in
another week or so.

Thanks, Elaine

                 ===========

That's correct, probe. Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A

Rooster Did And A Cockatoo And A Horse And A Cow Or Two Did
Too) CURES ALL temperament and behavior problems AUTOMAGICKALLY
using THE SAME SAME pleasant gentle scientific and psychological

CONDITIONING techniques as taught in your own FREE COPY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

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Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue,
Animal Commisioner, Brevard County, FL
writes: Sep 9,2000

"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.

I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.

She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.

It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.

I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats.  I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.

I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).

Thanks, Elaine

Hi Jerry,

I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit.  I
have since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung.  She
speaks very highly of it.

So, I brought it home and plugged it in.  Of course,
I wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and
have every one immediately fall to the floor in little
comas for a few hours.  Well, after I got all 27 of
them to be quiet, still no comas.  But, it had only
been 36 seconds at that point.

So, I gave it a little longer.  Still no comas.
Was this really going to work?  I mean, I do
have an unusual situation.

So, by bedtime, a few hours later.  I started to
notice just how many were asleep already - with
their feet in the air!

I started to have hope. During the night, all was
calm.  In the morning when I got up, only a few
of them WALKED quietly to the door to go out.  Not
the usual evacuation.

I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning.  I was certainly pleased with the night
effect.  I wasn't so sure about the amount of the
day time effect. Until I took it back.  Within half
an hour, the monsters had resurfaced.  I wondered
if I could break into Elaine's house and if she
would notice :)

I know another person who does dog rescue.  She rescues
Beagles.  She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house.  God
bless her.  She is interested to see if it will workfor
her.  I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue,
and she is interested.  The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings.  Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.

So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it.  I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting,
but don't know if that is advised, even with my situation
of so many new ones coming and (too few) going.

Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.
I think the vets should have the info in their offices.
It must help dogs with separation anxiety.  My vet
practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine,
so I would think it would be right up her alley.

Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life

From: llindaleedan...@msn.com (Linda)
Date: 15 Sep 2003 14:00:20 -0700
Subject: My dog Sunshine and Wits End

I have not posted for a while since I got back from

Florida.
Just want you all to know how well my Sunshine has done! He
is happy and so well behaved that he is such a joy to be

with
now.

I am going to work with a couple of dogs in the

neighborhood who are young and know zero commands.
Both play with Sunshine but the owners can not get
them to come back to go home.

Sunshine and I owe everything to Jerry and the Wits End

method for our success. I have had dogs for thirty years
but never one like Sunshine.  He was fear aggressive and
lunged and tried to attack any one or dog that came into view.

Using the DoggyDoRight and the Wits End approach he walks

off leash, comes anytime I call him, and is starting agility

practice with other dogs right next to him.

I have learned so much from Sunshine and Jerry that now I

want to share Wits End training methods with other people
and their dogs.  Sharing our success hopely can help others
realize that you don't have to give up on a problem dog!

Just in case you all think I am not for real or that Jerry
is posting this, anyone is welcome to come visit us and see
my Sunshine.

From: "Regina Guerrero" <>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Thank You!

I just wanted to take a bit of time  to tell you how much

I appreciate your product and  your training methods as well.

When my little Chihuahua first arrived  I was overwhelmed
with her anxiety and her ability to just Bark endlessly.

I received your product and at first I thought  I was

using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it.

But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably
as well as act more friendly towards people on the street.

I can't believe the difference I see in my little puppy.
Your product is a life saver! Thanks again for everything.

Sincerely,
Regina Guerrero

                  ==================

Nevyn" <ali...@wasp.net.au> wrote in message
news:fde575d9.0209090337.34fb7ee2@posting.google.com...

Hi There Jerry

Its Nevyn. Sorry Ive not been posting, but I've been

working weekend work at the tracks with the greyhounds
(thanks to you!).

Well my dogs are the envy of all on my street. I can have

them out in the yard with me, take them walking without a
leash, they will do any command with no hesitation. And they
don't bark anymore! Thanks to your machine!

Oh yeah, I loaned your machine to several friends and family

-- Here are some reports:

"I would say my dogs are well trained, but they suffer

severe anxiety when no body is home. This machine quietened
them almost instantly - still they barked, in the beginning,
but just one or two barks. Then slowly they just stopped...
beginning to bark, then instantly stopping.

It took only 2 weeks, and we did nothing.

Truly amazing;

I have recommomeded it to my family, and perhaps they will

buy one. Its a shame you don't sell them publicly". -- Kylie,
30, on dogs Lili (11 yr mutt bitch) and Sheeba (4 yr Rotty X)

"My two dogs barked insanely when someone would go
past. With this little machine they quietened right down,
and even became partly obedient, and we did nothing!

Great stuff.

We ran it only on the lowest setting, too!" - Ed, 65, on

his two male Dobermans, 5 yrs old.

Well I have some more, and am collecting more, but I only

have one machine so its a slow process. Once again I say

thankyou Jerry! My family was on the verge of giving them up! :(

But no longer :)

                =====================

   A non dog owner writes:
   Dear Jerry-

   I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
   Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
   tremendously pleased.

   As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
   bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
   Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is
   just the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately
   500 feet away, and even at that distance, the machine
   has done wonders.

   You were always available and patient to answer my
   questions, and now I can be in my own home without
   going nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure,
   all the other minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood
   have stopped as well.

   Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.

   Pam Graves

             ===========================

INDEED, you'd THINK SO:

Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read!  Course
my little gray box seems to be working... Buddy stopped
biting the baby!  No negative side-effects seen occurring...
not to the bird, the other bird or Zelda. ~misty

                              ===========

    "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

    news:21047-3CAD0E8A-173@storefull-2291.public.lawson.webtv.

    Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was

    stressed out by my then just learning to walk baby.

    Buddy was screaming day and night..lunging at Joey
    whenever he crawled up to Buddy's cage and nipping
    the baby ( if Buddy wanted to his beak is powerful
    enough to sever an adult's finger in one snap!)

    At first we noticed nothing... after a few days
    ..nothing..nothing except quiet :-)

    That's not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he'a a
    'Too.. but the late night scream-a-thons ended.

    He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh>
    just what I want...2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in
    his water until there's more water on the floor and walls
    than in his dish :-)

     Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons...
     for a few days each time. It takes that long for me
     to realize the DDR is unplugged :-O  Once cos DH did
     some maintenance and forgot to plug it back in (of
     course he remembered to plug the washing machine back
      in ;-P)

     The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping...
     and forgot to plug it back in...

     We sure enjoy him being such a good bird! He's been
     so loving to everyone... my older 2 boys love being
     able to give him scritches again.

     ~misty

     (No, Jerry, you can't have the DDR back just yet! :-)

                     ===================

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1199-3BD34D6A-229@storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net..

Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have

a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting
to my 8 month old son.

Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as

a hold on for dear life object.

Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older

two boys went through this stage in a different house where
Buddy had his own room and the boys had only visits, not daily
contact 24/7.

Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has

been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop
screaming.

A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the

widows shut <g> being in the house it makes your ears pop
and your nerves crawl.

Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to

use it. He answered my questions quite politely.

I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is

located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.

At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then

I realized after a week that he no longer screamed for hours
on end.

This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg> he still demands
his share of all meals. But he doesn't start screaming at 10
pm when he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.

Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My

nerves were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch
per Jerry's instructions.

I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and

left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit

screaming.

In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of

c*ts come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the
sweetie. He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t
monster) who is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.

I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do

like the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I
like things that are free. I also like the fact that I
can e-mail him and get advice whenever I need it.

Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks

the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree
in electronics, knows alot about radios and anything mechanical...
he's a jack of all trades around the house <g>). He does NDT
for a living.

We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey

is walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal..
some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.

So, yes, there are some of us out here who do appreciate

Jerry's methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars".

Honey, flies that sort of thing....

~misty

That's curiHOWES, AIN'T IT???

HOWEver, NON VIOLENT TRAINING METHODS AIN'T APPRECIATED by
lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic

long term incurable mental cases like YOU and your punk thug

coward mental case pals who DON'T LIKE NOT HURTIN innocent

defenseless dumb critters TO TRAIN THEM:

From: "whitershadeofpale" <bigbadba...@adelphia.net>
Date: 9 Dec 2005 19:02:29 -0800

Subject: Re: Husband's cat hates me - follow up

Lumpy wrote:

It is very interesting, how people handle things.

One sees it this way, one sees it another.

In cases that are extreme, we have to be extreme (im not

saying anything new)

I can't help but feel that a majority of cat slaves are

scared of losing the cats affection by cracking down on

them..nonsense, break bad on em. This is not about physical
domination but a display of will.

                    -----------

That's YOU, probe.

Yeah. Here's HOWE your advice works:

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on

putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..  at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already

ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread

is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.

I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated

that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to

lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with

little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given

you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations.... Jerry.

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of

how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been

keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now

<g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

=====================

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog

in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

--------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12208-3BB67479-427@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

..

Hi Cathy!  Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my

girl, Zelda. You can check the archives and see I'm a
real person.. I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats
rec.pets.cats.annecdotes (not lately, my kitty died)
rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and a ton of webtv
firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the

neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped

down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry

treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break

will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started

applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems

needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to

set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

                   =============

billysprague@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:01:53 GMT

Subject: Re: How do I change my dog's learned obnoxious

barking behavior?

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:26:18 -0500, "Jerry Howe"
<jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Who died and made you THE authority on usenet etiquette?

              ================

Pupular opinion and CASE HISTORY DATA, probe.

Here's you, probe:

From: billyspra...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:44:24 GMT

Subject: Re: my dog bites me.

Personally, I have ZERO tolerance for a dog who shows INAPPROPRIATE
aggression toward people.  I recommend you adjust his attitude.  A 158
grain weight placed behind his ear should do the trick.  Use a .357
magnum to put the weight where you will need it.

From: Duane Smith <billyspra...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:44:37 GMT

Subject: Re: Saw the Vet here is my decision
Re: My Dog bit me today, Should I be concerned

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:14:56 -0000, "Patch"
<d.guipago-gle...@LOLntlworld.com> wrote:

Not especially.  But it sure strikes me as amusing any
time I get an opportunity to use Jerry for one.

Now, get a life.

                    ===========

Hi Jerry,

I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read

today. Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We
have had a lot going on in our area concerning animals. We
formed a new Task Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation
and animal abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the
first meeting and time was just not available for anything else.

Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion,

I tried to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials
that he has asked for although he has yet to furnish the P.O.
Box number that he wanted them sent to in the first place.
He goes on to state that I am no longer eligible for the
"fictions reward." All of this is in answer to postings that
prove I was "sharing" his email with you which in his opinion
was a breach of good manners. His  email only had terms and
conditions of the reward which I would consider "public information."

Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my

permission to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR
including this email.

I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of

situation from someone that obviously never intended to
make good on his reward offer in the first place.

I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive

cat. I have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it
will calm JR down. I will let you know the results. She goes
to the same holistic vet that I go to and he is also interested.

In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to

say that I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as
I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I have entirely too
much to do, to worry about his opinions or reward.

The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was

on your behalf as I do think your product is a valuable
tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems.

I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately

100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president
of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare
of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep.,

rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager,
head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.).

I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark

know that I am involved with animals and have very little
time to play games with him also I would not recommend your
product if I did not believe in it.

Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright

on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.

Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get

you down.

Elaine

Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark's

of this world, with some occasional successes. I guess that's

variable reinforcement?

Yours, Jerry.

                 ===============

From: Robin Barr <robinba...@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:50:58 -0800

Subject: Re: HELP needed ASAP

In article <O31ud.13611$r72.108...@weber.videotron.net>,

regimbalm <regimb...@videotron.ca> wrote:

I'm only jumping in on this thread now, so don't know if

the Puppy Wizard responded to the original poster with a
link to his Wit's End Dog Training Manual, which he offers
at no cost.   Although you are correct to say the dog needs
to learn to not jump on the table, and your suggestion would
certainly contain the dog,  I don't think it would TEACH the
dog very effectively or quickly.

The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind and

gentle way to teach a dog anything, even eliminating
separation anxiety and allergies.

I hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a dog,

perhaps you might be interested in taking a look also.  You'll
find it's so much quicker (and kinder, and gentler) than any
other method.

The proof is in the pudding, right?  Just give it a try.

You've heard the old saying, you get more with honey than
vinegar.

If you do try this method and find it effective, please pass

it on to other pet owners.  You'll be doing a good deed. I'm

planning to email it to my friends, relatives, and business

associates whoare pet owners as a Christmas or Chanukah gift.

And more, if you have any questions about the training

method, or run into difficulties, unlike the tone of many
of the Puppy Wizard's posts (aka the Grim Reaper), you'll
find him extremely helpful, always available, patient (yes,
said patient:) and kind (yes, I said kind:).

                   ================

From: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:49:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article <pan.2005.06.16.03.47.42.331...@skepticism.us>,
"Kurtis D. Rader" <kra...@skepticism.us> wrote:

<1118672970.419103.259...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

Kurtis,

I believe myself to be rational (I'm not saying this
defensively), and the reactions from the people in my
world (friends, family, tradespeople, neighbors,
acquaintences, business people, my healthcare givers,
and it goes on and on) seem to reflect that I probably
am rational.

Kurtis, the reason I look beyond the exterior, is
because sometimes, not always, there is something
of value.  I've found this to be true many times in
my life.

If you've been following my posts, I have a difficult
situation with my little dog, and I've followed all the
mainstream thinking and techniques for separation anxiety,
to no avail.

One of the reasons I decided to take Jerry's manual more
seriously was the feedback from those who had who had
achieved positive results.  And I'm glad I did (please
see my post to Jerry about tonight's session using Jerry's
SA technique).

Kurtis, I say this gentle respect (tone can be

misinterpreted
with this form of communication) - read again what you said
above.  You are doing what you accuse Jerry of, the surety
that you have the only valid viewpoint and all others (who
support Jerry) are wrong. (i.e. they're not rational).

I can't argue with you.  But this doesn't have the
same emotional charge for me as it does for you.

Kurtis, please listen to yourself; your judgement about
people who believe in astrology and homeopathy (idiots?),
you are so unwielding and harsh ("the surety that you have
the only valid viewpoint and all others are wrong.")

No need to treat or think of him as an authority!

(Ooops! <{); ~ ) > )

site.

says

(CITES PLEASE??? <{); ~ ) > )

(Seems kurtis means EMBARRASSMENT <{); ~ ) > )

Now Kurtis, you know the same advice is not available
elsewhere.  You're speaking an untruth to give weight
to your arguement.

I'm going to receive all kind of flack for this statement -
there's something about Jerry that has completely pushed

your
buttons, and it has nothing to do with Jerry.

(Hint: look to one or both of your parents for the
source of this anger, that's who you're angry at)
I KNOW I'm going to regret having said that, but
this is kind of mood I'm in right now.

Anyway, you seem like a nice guy.  Best regards,
Robin

From: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:50:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Paging Puppy Wizard

In article

<1118672970.419103.259...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

bringmewa...@gmail.com wrote:

I disagree.  If you can look past the way he communicates,
his information is worth exploring, and his message is

about
absolute love, trust, respect and 'do no harm'.

If he could only communicate that way to the humans
who provoke him, which are many :),   he would be able
to get thru to many more people without being written
off as a nut.

Please know he has supporters, some of whom doctorate
level professionals, and this is for a reason.  Personally,
I like Jerry.  He's a colorful character, to say the least,
and I enjoy learning from him.  And, if you meet him

halfway,
he'll give back to you tenfold.

Regards,
Robin

                      =============

Lucy wrote:

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Within a few minutes?

Outstanding growing up process this must have been, to

occur
after repeating just a few times the dreaded praise for bad
behavior!

Lucy

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is
no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine.

                You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

                 Punishment Deranges Behavior.
        "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                        EXCEPT
                  To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/
      University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
      WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
      http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

  "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps

In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
(Marshall Dermer) writes:

--Marshall

"Oops!  I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned

punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                     No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
           A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
           Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
           Dog Lovers.

          'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
          A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you c