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My snowshoe siamese wants OUT

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Messalina - 17 Mar 2004 02:05 GMT
I have two 9 month old kitties, a brother and sister.  The female is
ok with staying in the house, but the male really wants to go out.  I
live in SoCal so I have both traffic and coyotes to worry about,
there's no way I can allow the cat out.

Due to a mishap, he finally got out and was out for a few hours.  This
has had the effect of intensifying his desire to roam (he's been
neutered for ages, of course).  Yesterday, the cat bum rushed both my
husband and I as we came in the front door.  Kitty didn't have the
nerve to run away from either one of us so we caught him immediately,
but that won't last.

Anyone have any advice for this situation?

Mez
GovtLawyer - 17 Mar 2004 02:22 GMT
>Anyone have any advice for this situation?

I don't know if this is the breed, or what.  I have a brother and sister
Snowshoe Siamese pair, age 13 months.  Mickey, the boy tries to go out into the
hallway every time I open the door, his sister doesn't.  I live in an
apartment, so getting out into the outdoors would not happen.

Last month he got out when I was taking out the garbage, and I didn't see him
do it.  He found his way down the stairs two floors below.  I little while
later I noticed him missing, opened up the door and heard him two floors below,
crying.  I went downstairs and he was cowering in a corner, a neighbor had
opened up his door and Mickey, he doesn't like other people was quite scared.
I took him up, and ever since that day he appears really scared to go out into
the hallway.  He pokes his head out, but rushes right back in.

I do not know what to tell you, other than to be very vigilant when you open up
the door.  I have to even hold him in my arms, open the door and turn around
and throw him back in.

Perhaps, your cat needs to be frightened by something outside.  I have no idea
how that could be accomplished or am even suggesting you set anything up.  In
the meantime, you just have to be extra careful when going in and out.  Wish I
had a more concrete bit of advice for you.
Messalina - 17 Mar 2004 16:07 GMT
> >Anyone have any advice for this situation?
>
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> the meantime, you just have to be extra careful when going in and out.  Wish I
> had a more concrete bit of advice for you.

Update:  It happened again yesterday, but I grabbed him, rather
roughly, to keep him from getting out the door.  Then I went to the
supermarket.  When I came back I was braced to do the same thing, but
he darted away from me back INTO the house.

I liked the idea below of keeping a scented spray near the door.  We
have an herbal roomspray I make myself, that the cats both loathe
because it has a strong mint scent.  The mere sight of the bottle
sends them scampering.  That oughta do it.

Mez
Mary - 17 Mar 2004 19:20 GMT
"Messalina" <second@duelingoak.com> wrote :

> Update:  It happened again yesterday, but I grabbed him, rather
> roughly, to keep him from getting out the door.  Then I went to the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> because it has a strong mint scent.  The mere sight of the bottle
> sends them scampering.  That oughta do it.

Never underestimate the power of noise. A great big NO! is something
my cats hate enough to learn to avoid. I hardly ever raise my voice
for
any reason, so when I do, I get their attention. I think I may have
mentioned
that when I first brought her home, Cheeky darted out the front door.
I already
loved her so much (and there is a very busy street out there) I
SHRIEKED
"Cheeky, NO! John, help me, Cheeks just ran out front!" As soon as I
hit
the door Cheeks ran back in. She had merely circled the shrubbery in
front
of the big window, and run back in when she heard me scream. I then
clutched
her to my breast and wept, and damn if she doesn't stay far, far away
from
*all* the doors now. :) She is one of those polite and grateful little
rescues
who does not WANT to upset her mama. Earlier still, she loosened the
cardboard
we had over the hole where the washing machine lines went, and escaped
to under the
house, where there is a dirt "floor" and lots of bugs and other fun
stuff. There is a door to the outside, so we can crawl under and
change air filters and such. The first time is was open and there was
a hilarious chasing match around the fenced back yard. (She could have
jumped that fence.) It ended with her darting back in the back door,
because although my husband caught her over and over, she was all
muscle (no claws, she is so amazingly sweet) and kept wriggling away.
Then, after we *thought* we had the hole
covered she did it again. I had made sure the door to the outside was
closed and locked, just in case. I went out there and opened it,
squatted down and called her, and she gave me one of those, "yah,
right, you so funny. I'm not coming out of here it's FUN under the
house!" I felt so hurt, she was still new, so I thought, "she doesn't
want to BEEEE with us! Oh no!" So I pulled out the big guns. Went
inside, got my secret weapon, and unleased it on her. I wish you could
have seen me squatting down by that little door, talking to Cheeks
sweet as I could and scooping tuna from an open can into my mouth,
going "mmm, this is just WONDERFUL," and sobbing the whole time. She
got interested--licked her chops--and made that high-pitched little
cry like she does when she *just knows* it is a trap but cannot
resist. Sidled into grabbing distance and I got her! Meanwhile my
husband was standing back marveling at the crazy woman. It was before
breakfast, even!
m. L. Briggs - 17 Mar 2004 02:30 GMT
>I have two 9 month old kitties, a brother and sister.  The female is
>ok with staying in the house, but the male really wants to go out.  I
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>
>Mez
Keep a spray bottle by the door both in and out.  I did this for quite
a while and it worked.   MLB
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 17 Mar 2004 02:46 GMT
<snip>

> Due to a mishap, he finally got out and was out for a few hours.  This
> has had the effect of intensifying his desire to roam (he's been
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>
> Mez

I have a problem with my cat rushing the door, as well.  Someone here
suggested that I have a can filled with stuff to make a lot of noise which
would scare her.  I do a variation of the noise making--I open the front
door very very slightly (tiniest crack) then I slam the screen door very
loudly.  She's usually in the vicinity when I shut the screen door so she
runs away when she hears it slam.  That gives me enough time to get in the
house before she can run out.  If you don't have a screen door along with
your front door, you might want to try the stuff-in-a-can thing or some
other noise-making idea.

I have to say, however, that the door slamming thing does not deter my cat
from approaching the door everytime I come home.  I'm thinking of spraying
some kind of orange-scented thing around the door to keep her from going
near it.  Then I'm going to start carrying her outside when she is allowed
outside during the summer (she's allowed out with her harness and leash on).
Maybe then she'll get the idea that she's not allowed to cross the threshold
on her own and she'll stop trying.

And before anyone gets their panties/jockey shorts up their cracks, when I
say "I open the front door very very slightly" I mean *very* slightly.  She
can't even see out the door or poke her nose out before I shut the screen
door so there is no possible way for her to get hurt in the slamming
process.

rona

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Cheryl - 17 Mar 2004 02:58 GMT
> I have a problem with my cat rushing the door, as well.  Someone here
> suggested that I have a can filled with stuff to make a lot of noise
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> the screen door so she runs away when she hears it slam.  That gives
> me enough time to get in the house before she can run out.

I used to have this problem with my cat Marley (RB) and I used to ring
the doorbell before I came in which made him run /away/ from the door.  
In my old apt before I bought this house, he ran out into the hallway
almost every time when I came in but it was a Garden style so he couldn't
get any further.  In the house though, he could run into the front yard
which is too close to the busy road in front so drastic measures had to
be taken.  None of my present cats try to rush the door when I come home.

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 17 Mar 2004 03:22 GMT
> I used to have this problem with my cat Marley (RB) and I used to ring
> the doorbell before I came in which made him run /away/ from the door.
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> which is too close to the busy road in front so drastic measures had to
> be taken.  None of my present cats try to rush the door when I come home.

I wish that worked for us!  But I found out she liked the doorbell :-).  My
mother sometimes rings the doorbell when she comes home, so Kitty has come
to associate the doorbell with us rather than freaky scary strangers!
Sometimes (but very very rarely) I wish it would stay cold all year round so
she wouldn't even try to run outside!  Unfortunately, temperatures where she
stops wanting to run outside are -25C and lower (she didn't even come close
to the door when it was -40C)!  I think she's more afraid of the cold than
the average cat because she was out fending for herself during the coldest
months.  She was a stray and was not picked up until March, and by then she
had frostbitten ears!  Poor Kitty!

She can also tell when our car (as opposed to our neighbours' cars) drives
up because she runs to the door whenever she hears it.  She's much like a
dog that way.  Too bad she's not afraid of cars!

BTW, how's Shadow doing?  Is he still getting bullied?

rona

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Cheryl - 17 Mar 2004 03:43 GMT
> I wish that worked for us!  But I found out she liked the doorbell
> :-).  

I don't know why mine are so wierded out by it, but they are. Even my
current kitties look around wide-eyed both when the real doorbell rings, or
if they hear one on TV.  

> She can also tell when our car (as opposed to our neighbours' cars)
> drives up because she runs to the door whenever she hears it.  She's
> much like a dog that way.  Too bad she's not afraid of cars!
>
:) Mine know mine, too. But those who are on the upper level wait at the
top of the stairs for me for some reason. Though Shamrock will be just
awakening from his nap on the cable box. Warmth?  lol  

> BTW, how's Shadow doing?  Is he still getting bullied?

Shamrock is letting up on him; he's not nearly so mean which leads me to
believe it really was all of the strays hanging around.  I've been letting
my neighbor feed them rather than leave food out, too, and it's making a
difference with Shamrock. Bonnie is still really mean to him; she doesn't
attack him, but she chases him relentlessly and it really stresses him out.  
I still separate Bonnie and Shamrock from Shadow during the day when I'm at
work and they rotate between the upstairs and the downstairs.  It's working
for now.  Nighttime is another story but Shamrock and Bonnie sleep in my
bed at night so they are mostly leaving him alone. Shadow likes to come in
my room in the AM and wake me up so sometimes there is a tussle then. I
just can't get it through Bonnie's head to leave him alone. I've tried loud  
angry voice, diversion, treats and praise for being a "good boy" when she
leaves him alone (not all at the same time lol) but nothing works. She
stalks him. Relentlessly. I hope she will grow out of it but he can't
afford the stress she causes him.  I wish he'd realize he could whoop her
a.s if he wanted to.  If he had a voice to screech she'd get the message.
<sigh>

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Jeannie - 17 Mar 2004 10:10 GMT
LOL.  Nice sig Cheryl

Jeannie
PawsForThought - 17 Mar 2004 14:47 GMT
>From: second@duelingoak.com  (Messalina)

>I
>live in SoCal so I have both traffic and coyotes to worry about,
>there's no way I can allow the cat out.

I lost a cat when I lived in SoCal to a coyote.  It was a very hard lesson to
learn.

>Yesterday, the cat bum rushed both my
>husband and I as we came in the front door.  Kitty didn't have the
>nerve to run away from either one of us so we caught him immediately,
>but that won't last.

What we did to train our cats was to kick the bottom of the door before we came
in which had the effect of scaring the cats away from the door.  Some people
keep a can of pennies outside and shake it before they come in.  You have to be
really diligent but after a while, the cats won't try to get out.  Hang in
there.

Lauren
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Steve G - 17 Mar 2004 18:30 GMT
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> Due to a mishap, he finally got out and was out for a few hours.  This
> has had the effect of intensifying his desire to roam (he's been
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Anyone have any advice for this situation?

Is it possible to allow safe access - e.g., fence in your yard /
garden / window box?

Steve.
IBen Getiner - 18 Mar 2004 10:59 GMT
> I have two 9 month old kitties, a brother and sister.  The female is
> ok with staying in the house, but the male really wants to go out.  I
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>
> Mez

It's too late. You let the cat out of the bag. There is nothing short
of a car tire that will stop him now.
By the way, what is a snowshoe Siamese? I've heard about the lilac
points and the seal points, etc. But I'm not familiar with this one.
Messalina - 18 Mar 2004 18:42 GMT
> > I have two 9 month old kitties, a brother and sister.  The female is
> > ok with staying in the house, but the male really wants to go out.  I
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>  By the way, what is a snowshoe Siamese? I've heard about the lilac
> points and the seal points, etc. But I'm not familiar with this one.

You missed my followup message.  I grabbed the cat rather roughly as
he was trying to make a break for it; he disliked being manhandled so
much he stopped rushing the door.

A snowshoe siamese is a siamese with white markings in addition to his
points, usually has white feet.

Mez
IBen Getiner - 19 Mar 2004 06:30 GMT
> > > I have two 9 month old kitties, a brother and sister.  The female is
> > > ok with staying in the house, but the male really wants to go out.  I
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> he was trying to make a break for it; he disliked being manhandled so
> much he stopped rushing the door.

Yes, I thought of this solution right after I sent my last message.
Intentionally let the little buggar catch himself half in and half out
of the door. The rest of should come easy if you can make it that far.
The first time should be the last time.

> A snowshoe siamese is a siamese with white markings in addition to his
> points, usually has white feet.
>
> Mez

KOOL..!!

                               IBen G.

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