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furfin - 27 Nov 2005 03:20 GMT Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted him at seven months...however he was shown from a cage and I was required to hold him so he couldn't touch the floor. The second one, adopted a year later did climb in my lap at the shelter when he was six months old, but after coming home imitated the other's independent streak. Now at 2 1/2 and 1 1/2 respectively the two little con artists are spoiled rotten and they are happy kitties. One gives nose kisses and the other will allow himself to be held on his back in my arms like a baby. I put them in my lap and give treats, but they usually jump off the lap immeadiately afterward. Niether gets in the lap on their own. Have I been had? Is there any chance they will mellow into lap fungus in later life? Or was it all an evil plot to make me their slave for life, and now they can't be bothered...sniff Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty appreciated!
No More Retail - 27 Nov 2005 03:31 GMT Welcome to slavehood Welcome to being owned by a cat or your case joint custody Ain't it wonderful
> Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The > first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty > appreciated! Rona Y. - 27 Nov 2005 03:33 GMT My cat is not a lap kitty at all. When I spotted her at the humane society, she was staring intently at me through the bars of her cage (her cage was in the upper level, so she was looking down). From the moment we got her into the trial room, she refused to let me carry her and she went under a chair and stared at me again. Well, as far as I was concerned, she was just playing hard-to-get, so I adopted her, thinking she'd warm up eventually.
After 5 years, she's still not a lap cat. However, I discovered that as soon as I hold out a brush or comb, she'll come running and happily sit on my lap for hours to be brushed.
So, to answer your question, yes, it was an evil plot to make you their slave for life. All cats do it. Even if you don't realize you've been had, always remember, you have!!
An aside, one of my co-workers was discussing another, very difficult and unpleasant co-worker. She said, "She's just like a cat. When she wants something, she sidles up to you and acts nice, but she's really quite mean" or something like that. Now, I love cats, so I was a little offended that she compared the difficult and unpleasant co-worker with something I love. However, she had a point...:-)
furfin - 27 Nov 2005 04:04 GMT Devious little beings...I thought so!
claudel - 27 Nov 2005 03:46 GMT >Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The >first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty >appreciated! Bubba isn't really a lap kitty because he's too big and hangs off both sides. It doesn't seem to be too comfortable for him.
If I lie on my back he'll lie on my chest and stomach for awhile but he takes up my whole torso, and I'm 6'1" 190lbs...
http://www.sonic.net/~claudel/bubba/bubba.html
If I don't keep his claws trimmed he digs holes in my shirts and in my chest kneading...
Claude
furfin - 27 Nov 2005 04:05 GMT Bubba is a glorious gorgeous beast!
claudel - 27 Nov 2005 04:13 GMT >Bubba is a glorious gorgeous beast! Yeah. I lucked out with owners.
Claude
Willow - 27 Nov 2005 06:30 GMT Sit cross legged,
My dog's 40 lbs and sits and lay in my lap.. and I'm 5'5 135 lbs...
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> >Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The > >first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Claude claudel - 27 Nov 2005 06:48 GMT >Sit cross legged, > >My dog's 40 lbs and sits and lay in my lap.. and I'm 5'5 135 lbs... Works for me, but Bubba doesn't go for it.
Claude
>> >Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The >> >first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Claude Willow - 27 Nov 2005 07:07 GMT ;o)
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> >Sit cross legged, > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >> > >> Claude Brandy Alexandre - 27 Nov 2005 05:14 GMT furfin <little_shmax@sbcglobal.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. > The first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty > appreciated! Aw, another victim of cat duplicity. They knew what you wanted and pretended to give such in order to get a nice cozy home. Sorry to say, but you've been had. Cats is smater than us'ns.
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mlbriggs - 27 Nov 2005 05:54 GMT > Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The > first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted him [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > bothered...sniff Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap > kitty appreciated! IMHO Count yourself lucky. It can become very tiresome to never be able to sit down without a furry attaching to you
furfin - 27 Nov 2005 06:09 GMT Yeah, its ironic. I talked to a lady who had adopted a little girl kitty from the same shelter and she was complaining about her always jumping in her lap. They know what we want...and do the opposite! Note: my boys are most affectionate just prior to dinner hour.
Phil P. - 27 Nov 2005 06:53 GMT > Yeah, its ironic. I talked to a lady who had adopted a little girl > kitty from the same shelter and she was complaining about her always > jumping in her lap. They know what we want...and do the opposite! Note: > my boys are most affectionate just prior to dinner hour. See? They're setting you up; they know food is coming and want to make sure you don't forget to give them some. lol
Phil
cybercat - 27 Nov 2005 13:08 GMT > See? They're setting you up; they know food is coming and want to make sure > you don't forget to give them some. lol Yep! My Boo, since she has been on a diet, loves me up any time I go into the kitchen. She rubbbbs up against my legs and talks to me, trills, just about breaks into song and dance all the while hitting me with the Overwhelming Greeneyed Gaze where her eyes twinkle and her lashes flutter. :) She understands English (when she wants to!) so if I am fixing something for the people and not the cats and I say something to that effect, she says "meh! with a desultory toss of the head and paces, grumbling in cat "Hmp. Well isn't this just great. Everybody getting fed but me while I waste away." She eventually stomps off in digust but appears later when the food is ready to beg. :)
Willow - 27 Nov 2005 06:29 GMT You sooo have been had..
Welcome to the club.. ;op
Sssssslavery, I tell you ssssssssslavery !
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> Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The > first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty > appreciated! John Doe - 27 Nov 2005 06:41 GMT "furfin" <little_shmax@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, ... Any advice, insights, > anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty appreciated! I can't imagine sitting down enough for a cat to be comfortable on my lap.
I lie down while using my computer. Every once in a while Kiki lies on my chest. Sometimes while I am sleeping, she climbs on to my side (I gained 10 pounds overnight). About half of the time while using the computer, Kiki is next to my pillow or in between my chest and left arm on the bed.
Phil P. - 27 Nov 2005 06:52 GMT > Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The > first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the lap immeadiately afterward. Niether gets in the lap on their own. > Have I been had? Of course you have. Cats have the 'please adopt me' routine down to a science- they've made it into an art form.
Here's a short excerpt from the "Silent Miaow" that should give you an idea of the cunning and intelligence you're dealing with. Its the handbook written by a cat and translated directly from the feline by Paul Gallico. Its an instruction book for cats on how to take over a family:
"There didn't seem to be any evidence of children about, or servants either, which was all to the good. Children are all right eventually, and can be handled, but it is better, if possible, to take over your family before they arrive. And servants can give you a lot of trouble.
This pair looked exactly like the family I wanted, so I jumped onto the screen door, clung there, and cried piteously.
They looked up at me from their breakfast. I knew exactly how I appeared to them from the other side of the screen door. Irresistible! I pretended to lose my grip on the mesh and fell off, and then climbed back up again, crying all the time.
The woman said, "Oh look! The poor little thing, it wants to come in. Maybe it's hungry. I'll give it some milk."
Just as I expected! I had her. All I needed was to get one paw inside the door."
Read the whole book so you'll know what you're dealing with. ;)
Is there any chance they will mellow into lap fungus
> in later life? As cats get older, many mellow out and become more affectionate. Right now, they're only a little older that rambunctious teenagers.
Or was it all an evil plot to make me their slave for
> life, and now they can't be bothered...sniff > Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty > appreciated! Simple. If you want cats to do what you want all you have to do is answer the quintessential cat question: What's in it for me? lol
Phil
Willow - 27 Nov 2005 07:12 GMT > Here's a short excerpt from the "Silent Miaow" that should give you an idea > of the cunning and intelligence you're dealing with. Its the handbook [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Just as I expected! I had her. All I needed was to get one paw inside the > door." I love this.. hehehe
> Read the whole book so you'll know what you're dealing with. ;) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Simple. If you want cats to do what you want all you have to do is answer > the quintessential cat question: What's in it for me? lol Soooooooooo true, and they DO mellow out yeah, but the "what's in for me?" part never change.. At 8 y.o. Gaya still give me the evil eye unless I've got treats, food, or her favorite catnip toy close by. In any other case she ain't gonna do me any favors... Oh.. there's also another thing that will bring her around, a chance to traumatize the dog (and traumatize is no exageration believe me).
> Phil  Signature Will~
"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."
Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.
furfin - 27 Nov 2005 07:32 GMT I'm trying to read all your interesting responses BUT my maine coone lookalike has been playing his cute/annoying game he invented while I'm trying to read this. It consists of putting his paws, claws extended just shy of damage, suddenly on my back while I'm on the computer, then running away with his tail all puffed out and arched proudly over his back. I am trained to give chase, which I do, even though I know this only reinforces the somewhat annoying behavior...the cuteness gets me every time.
Phil P. - 27 Nov 2005 10:30 GMT > > Here's a short excerpt from the "Silent Miaow" that should give you an > idea [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I love this.. hehehe The book is hilarious! If you can find a copy, grab it! You'll treasure it for years. The book actually sounds like it was written by cat- same arrogant attitude lol. This is the intro to the first chapter-- you'll see what I mean:
"When I was a very young kitten I had the misfortune to lose my mother and find myself alone in the world at the age of six weeks. However, I was not unduly disturbed by this, since I was intelligent, not ill-favored, resourceful and full of confidence in myself. Also I had had the advantage of several weeks of instruction from my mother before her unfortunate encounter with a motorcar at night.
After a week or so of living in the country off a most revolting diet of grubs and insects, I determined to take over a family and become a house cat, and I set about immediately to achieve my ends.
I often discussed with friends the manner in which I attained success, and since I am not affected with vanity, I was able to point out clearly the extraordinary perception behind each move and the outstanding cleverness on my part. So impressed were they with my story that they begged me to write it down, and furthermore, perhaps codify my experiences and ideas with regard to our relationship with human beings into a set of rules and regulations for the young about to embark upon a similar career."
lol
> > Read the whole book so you'll know what you're dealing with. ;) > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > part never change.. At 8 y.o. Gaya still give me the evil eye unless I've > got treats, food, or her favorite catnip toy close by. Yep! If there's nothing in the bags for them when I come from shopping, my cats give me such a pitiful look of disappointment that I *have to* throw a few treats into one of the paper bags otherwise I feel guilty as hell.
In any other case she
> ain't gonna do me any favors... Try getting a cat's attention after she eats.... Good luck.
Oh.. there's also another thing that will
> bring her around, a chance to traumatize the dog (and traumatize is no > exageration believe me). Its impossible to exaggerate anything about a cat. lol
Phil
furfin - 27 Nov 2005 08:08 GMT that was great...will have to read that! I don't have a silent miaower, but I do get the "amnesty international meow" before dinner sometimes...my friend who coined this term describes it as a "I'm so weak from hunger and neglect I can barely get out this meow" sound-- I'm sure you know it too!
Phil P. - 27 Nov 2005 10:30 GMT > that was great...will have to read that! You won't be able to put it down, I'm telling ya. I bought the book 40 years ago and its *still* just as funny.
I don't have a silent miaower,
> but I do get the "amnesty international meow" before dinner > sometimes...my friend who coined this term describes it as a "I'm so > weak from hunger and neglect I can barely get out this meow" sound-- > I'm sure you know it too! Absolutely. I get the same kind of "How could you leave us all alone" look when I come home- even if I was only out for a few hours. I'm telling ya, they've got us pegged as easy marks! lol
Phil
Spot - 27 Nov 2005 13:06 GMT My Squeekers wasn't much of a lap cat until the last 3 years. He was more of a newspaper or book kitty and would only come sit on my lap if I had one of the two in my hand. He now though will come up while I'm watching TV and settle down for a short snooze and lovings.
Celeste
> Niether of my two cats is a lap cat, although I wanted them to be. The > first one seemed like a shoulder kitty at the shelter when I adopted [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Any advice, insights, anecdotes about you lap or non-lap kitty > appreciated!
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