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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2005Ping Phil P
Phil you asked to let you know how our plant eater of angel trumpet. Well the toxicology did come back bad news the cat did ingest the plant good news been seizure free since the last post and off of IV new blood work shows normal levels on everything > Phil you asked to let you know how our plant eater of angel trumpet. Well > the toxicology did come back bad news the cat did ingest the plant good > news been seizure free since the last post and off of IV new blood work > shows normal levels on everything That's great news! Thanks for the update. > Phil you asked to let you know how our plant eater of angel trumpet. Well > the toxicology did come back bad news the cat did ingest the plant good > news been seizure free since the last post and off of IV new blood work > shows normal levels on everything Yay for kitty! Even better news this morning the person who brought him is going to adopt him. The lady is going thru our background check and once the cat goes thru quarantine and gets fixed with shots she is going to take Mr.kitty home > Even better news this morning the person who brought him is going to adopt > him. The lady is going thru our background check and once the cat goes thru > quarantine and gets fixed with shots she is going to take Mr.kitty home Wonderful!! NMR, what do you think about ear tipping, you are someone who participates in rescue programs. Personally I wish there was another way instead of clipping the cats ear. I don't like it but I understand why it is done. I see cats come in alot with their ears clipped. No tattoos or microchips to identify where they are from. There are a few feral colonies around here that the caretakers use tattoos and chips. They get returned and animal control gets an a.s chewing by the aspca rep. But ear tipped or not animal control still traps them and takes them to the shelter usually a kill shelter. Ear tipped is supposed to mean a neutered cat that is being cared for. Animal control in our area does not care they pick up the animals and take them to the shelter. I am so glad we work with the surrounding counties to safe older cats. We have rehabilited many of a feral cat to happy and loving homes. With all our technology we can put gps tracking in our smaller than pocket size phones but no one has made; to my knowledge, a chip to track animals at a distance. It would be a great tool you cats gets out log on to the computer and find out where his happy butt is. You would be able to track your colonies movement On another note if this is acceptable practice to do on animals why can't we do this to criminals if it is good enough to do to a cat why not a child molester. ;-) I read in the other flaming post which I will not get involved in. You all brought out both sides and the trolls. And I am not going to get into an argument too many I am right no matter what are involved on both sides. Even though as some one pointed out it is an apple and orange argument a no win situation. I was watching on the discovery channel. They were using a glow in the dark marking or glow while using a night scope on the big cats ears to make their night movements easier to track at a distance. I wonder how much this would cost and how effective it would be. The dye is supposed to be permanent would make it easier for the night trappers. Now I am not a trained TNR personnel they only experience I have beside being a DART member and my hurricane experiences; about catching strays is using forget me no traps, using a drop net or launched spring net to capture sick animals. I have sat out in the weather, spent nights and days trying to catch a sick animals, so I have a little understanding of what the trappers go thru. The ear cropping has it good point and bad points but this is one of the damn questions that I hate. Will it help them live healthier and longer in the long run. That I will leave up to you folks > Personally I wish there was another way instead of clipping the cats > ear. I don't like it but I understand why it is done. I see cats come in [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Will it help them live healthier and longer in the long run. That I will > leave up to you folks How about a glow-in-the-dark ear stud? I know some would argue that even piercing is disfiguration (and looking at some of today's human youth, I might agree! ;>). But it just might start a feral cat fashion trend! Hugs, CatNipped ROFLMAO Thanks catnipped I needed that I could see one of my firballs having that walking down the hall in the middle of the night one eye open trying to figure out what the hell is that ;-) But that is an idea a glow in the dark tag but to many ways for it to rip off and people would use the same argument > ROFLMAO Thanks catnipped I needed that I could see one of my firballs > having that walking down the hall in the middle of the night one eye open > trying to figure out what the hell is that ;-) > > But that is an idea a glow in the dark tag but to many ways for it to rip > off and people would use the same argument Yeah, I was being facetious. I cringe when I see hoop earrings on kids - I just know it's going to get hung up on a hair brush or something and rip out of their ears (you can tell I don't have any piercings - too chicken! ;>). Hugs, CatNipped > Yeah, I was being facetious. I cringe when I see hoop earrings on kids - I > just know it's going to get hung up on a hair brush or something and rip out [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped Ewww, when I was in high school, some guy went up to a girl at a drinking fountain and pulled on her hoop earring real hard and ripped her ear lobe! He wasn't even trying to hurt her or anything, just fooling around. It grossed me out for a long time but I did finally get my ears pierced when I was in my early 30s. Glad I did it, too, cuz I love jewelry and that opened up all new places to hang it! Candace I hate to say this when I was younger in high school many of years ago I always loved those idiots that started fight that had hanging earning in the era of peace and love. It made a perfect thing to grab a hold and make a man cry "No More Retail" <nowaytospam@noway.com> wrote > I read in the other flaming post which I will not get involved in. You > all brought out both sides and the trolls. And I am not going to get into > an argument too many I am right no matter what are involved on both sides. > Even though as some one pointed out it is an apple and orange argument a > no win situation. I am not a troll, just someone who lurks primarily and does not have a lot of time to post. I used to participate much more. No matter what you think of Lyn, she is not a troll either. Yes, I wish there was something else we could do besides ear tipping. No, a tag would not work because of the risk of snagging it. Glow in the dark ink would only work in the dark. cats are also trapped in the day. At least in our town, ear tipping can save a cat's life. Our ACO will not trap a tipped cat. Our shelter cannot take in feral cats, so many times the ACO has to have the cat euthanized. If the person who reported the cat is OK with having the cat back, he will call a TNR group for help. I'm curious what Phil's opinion on this is, since "cybercat" respects his opinion. -Kelly > "No More Retail" <nowaytospam@noway.com> wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of time to post. I used to participate much more. No matter what you think > of Lyn, she is not a troll either. Now, Kelly, everyone knows that a "troll" is just someone you dislike. Unless it is someone who honestly is posting only to upset people, and that certainly is not the way the word has been used here. > Yes, I wish there was something else we could do besides ear tipping. No, a > tag would not work because of the risk of snagging it. Glow in the dark ink > would only work in the dark. cats are also trapped in the day. Two tattoos then. Or one using two kinds of ink. Simple. > At least in our town, ear tipping can save a cat's life. Our ACO will not > trap a tipped cat. Our shelter cannot take in feral cats, so many times the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm curious what Phil's opinion on this is, since "cybercat" respects his > opinion. How nice that you care whose opinion I respect. But of course it is beside the point of the discussion. If your Animal Control people will not pick up a cat that has part of its ear cut off, that's great. I imagine they would leave tatooed cats alone too, and that would really be great because you could protect the cats without mutilating them. > How nice that you care whose opinion I respect. But of course it is > beside the point of the discussion. If your Animal Control people > will not pick up a cat that has part of its ear cut off, that's great. > I imagine they would leave tatooed cats alone too, and that would > really be great because you could protect the cats without mutilating > them. You can't tell if a cat is tattooed until it is trapped, and many times the cat has to be knocked down before you can even look at its ear. Have you ever tried to anesthetize a feral cat? Personally, I haven't as I am not a vet tech, but I have watched it be done. NOT easy, and people have gotten hurt, and these are very experienced people. Yes, it has to be done to spay/neuter them in the first place, but I think it's best that they only go through that when absolutely necessary. And, do you think all ACO's are going to bother knocking down ferally cats to check for a tattoo? When I went to the MSPCA when Antonio was missing, they told me if they get a cat in and it acts feral, they PTS right away. They do work with the TNR groups, so I think they don't bother the tipped cats, although I can't swear on it. I thought I was going to get seriously hurt once getting a feral cat out of the AC kennel. We weren't sure how feral this cat was, so I went to get it and have the vet examine her. She was cowering in the back of the cage, and so I took the cat carrier and tried to make it so the entrance to the carrier was the only place she could go. Well, somehow she flew up and missed my face by an inch. Went past me, flung herself against a window, and got into a little space under the water heater. The ACO got her out somehow. This cat would have been PTS, but the person who called about her had a friend with a barn who agreed to take this cat and her friends (there were 3-4 more at the location). Another group did the TNR. So, tell me how I or the ACO was supposed to find a tattoo on this black, very feral cat? Now that she has been TNR'ed and I assume tipped, she never has to go through that experience again. -Kelly > You can't tell if a cat is tattooed until it is trapped, and many times the > cat has to be knocked down before you can even look at its ear. Have you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > groups, so I think they don't bother the tipped cats, although I can't swear > on it. Then this is kind of a moot point, isn't it? > You can't tell if a cat is tattooed until it is trapped, Not always. and many times the > cat has to be knocked down before you can even look at its ear. Not true. Its hardly necessary to anesthetize or even sedate a feral to check for a tattoo. Have you > ever tried to anesthetize a feral cat? All the time. Personally, I haven't as I am not a > vet tech, but I have watched it be done. NOT easy, and people have gotten > hurt, and these are very experienced people. Maybe they're very experience with pet cats- doesn't sound like they're very experienced with ferals. There's no reason to even touch a feral while she's conscious if you have the proper inexpensive equipment. If a person works with ferals regularly, they should be properly equipped- like any other trade or profession or hobby. You should not have to touch a feral *at all* from the time you trap her until she's released, and the vet doesn't have to handle the cat *at all* while she's conscious. She's sedated in a squeeze cage or restraint module and anesthetized on the table. After she's neutered, she's placed in carrier or cage while she's still under to recover and later released from the carrier or cage. Food can be given in the cage via a small cardboard chute and water via a syringe and tube or turkey baster into a small bowl- although most cats won't eat until they're released. The recovery cage/carrier should be large enough to slide a small litter box into (bottom half of 3oz can case) through a slit. There's no reason to touch the cat or remove her from the recovery cage until she's released. When I > went to the MSPCA when Antonio was missing, they told me if they get a cat > in and it acts feral, they PTS right away. They have to trap the cat to kill her, don't they? Or do they just shoot cats on sight? If they have to trap the cat, they can check for a tattoo without exposing themselves to any risk- if they know what they're doing. The only advantage of ear-tipping is that its easier to see from a distance and at night. It doesn't save the cat's life any more than a tattoo. Worst case scenario for a tattooed cat is she spends *five minutes* in a trap and is released on the spot. That sums up my position. > You should not have to touch a feral *at all* from the time you trap her > until she's released, and the vet doesn't have to handle the cat *at all* > while she's conscious. She's sedated in a squeeze cage or restraint module > and anesthetized on the table. LOL! They have to do this to Bandit when she goes in for a dental! Hugs, CatNipped > Maybe they're very experience with pet cats- doesn't sound like they're > very > experienced with ferals. There's no reason to even touch a feral while > she's conscious if you have the proper inexpensive equipment. If a person > works with ferals regularly, they should be properly equipped- like any > other trade or profession or hobby. When this happens, it is when we do not know if the cat is feral or not. Granted, we usually deal with non-feral cats at the shelter. What happens, is that Animal Control traps a cat. He wants to hold on to the cat so we can assess if we can take it or not before making a decision. This means the cat has to come out the trap and is put into the AC kennel. So, this makes everything else more difficult. This is a small town and an all-volunteer shelter, so everyone is doing the best they can with limited resources (time, people who know what they are doing, money, etc) I know when the feral groups do spay/neuter clinics, they knock out the cats in the trap, making life easier for everyone. > They have to trap the cat to kill her, don't they? Or do they just shoot > cats on sight? If they have to trap the cat, they can check for a tattoo > without exposing themselves to any risk- if they know what they're doing. I don't think they do, at least regarding feral/not feral. What the person told me is that they put the cat in a cage, if it "bounces around like popcorn", it gets put down. sh.t, I've seen regular pet cats that do that. > The only advantage of ear-tipping is that its easier to see from a > distance [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That sums up my position. Well, in New Hampshire and Mass, Animal Control is up to every little podunk town. Some have real ACO's, some have an old retired guy who does it on the weekends, some don't "do" cats, so there's no consistency. About the only thing that is consistent is most of them know that a tipped ear means the cat is a feral that is being cared for. Some of these ACO's cannot be bothered to look much further than that. Now, I'm not saying I love tipped ears and I think their great. I do wish there was a better way. Tattoos have not proven to be it in this area. Just curious, how do you easily spot a tattoo on a black cat? -Kelly > I'm curious what Phil's opinion on this is, since "cybercat" respects his > opinion. I don't like ear-tipping. Tattooing would serve the same purpose without slicing off a piece of the cat's ear. The only advantage of ear-tipping is that its easier to see from a distance and a night. See: "Re: Declawing etc Illegal in Rome". |
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