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Teddy - 11 Nov 2005 12:11 GMT One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. Thanks
whitershadeofpale - 11 Nov 2005 12:29 GMT > One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair > that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly > what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. > Thanks sounds like tape worms
nothing to be alarmed about, you can get a 2 pill dose (pending on his weight) knocks it right out. (around $20 bucks)
Tapeworms come from fleas. (carriers)
It's not rice...hehe
Wendy - 11 Nov 2005 12:35 GMT Your cat probably has a tape worm and you are finding tape worm segments that are being shed. Collect a few in a jar as evidence (in case the vet asks how you know the cat has tape worm) and call the vet. He can give you medication that will get rid of the tapeworm. As this is an inside/outside cat it's important to treat for fleas pretty much year round as they are the most common vector for tapeworm in cats.
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> One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair > that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly > what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. > Thanks whitershadeofpale - 11 Nov 2005 12:39 GMT > Your cat probably has a tape worm and you are finding tape worm segments > that are being shed. Collect a few in a jar as evidence (in case the vet [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. > > Thanks How do you feel about OTC solution for this?
They are pretty distinct as far as appearance
Teddy - 11 Nov 2005 13:03 GMT OTC is what I try to use as I've spent a fortune taking cats to the vet. I didn't intend to have this many cats but...... Anyway, I plan on not replacing these as they 'leave'. Thank you for your help.
Phil P. - 11 Nov 2005 13:37 GMT > OTC is what I try to use as I've spent a fortune taking cats to the vet. > I didn't intend to have this many cats but...... Anyway, I plan on not > replacing these as they 'leave'. Thank you for your help. OTC wormers are older drugs that were developed years ago and can be very toxic and irritating to your cat and should be avoided at all costs. Many deaths in cats have been reported from the use of OTC medications.
If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit (praziquantel) pill which is *cheaper*, safer, and more effective than any OTC wormer. Cats can acquire two types of tapeworms (Taenia and Dipylidium). The former is acquired from predation of rodents and the latter is flea-vectored. Droncit kills them both with one dose.
Forget the OTC.
sriddles@aol.com - 11 Nov 2005 14:00 GMT > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit (praziquantel) pill > which is *cheaper*, safer, and more effective than any OTC wormer. Cats can > acquire two types of tapeworms (Taenia and Dipylidium). The former is > acquired from predation of rodents and the latter is flea-vectored. Droncit > kills them both with one dose. I would swear that a few years ago the vet dosed 1 and 1/2 Droncit (it was a big cat) initially, then the same dose three weeks later. Now, even with the shelter cats whom you know are probably heavily infested, they're only doing one dose.
Droncit *is* probably cheaper than OTC. I don't know what OTC costs, but the vet sells Droncit at $4 a tablet.
Here's what I don't get. Doesn't Droncit kill tapes, roundworms, hookworms, everything? Then what's that liquid wormer that vets use on kittens? And what's the difference between Droncit and Drontal?
Phil P. - 11 Nov 2005 17:20 GMT > > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit (praziquantel) pill > > which is *cheaper*, safer, and more effective than any OTC wormer. Cats can [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > even with the shelter cats whom you know are probably heavily infested, > they're only doing one dose. 1 1/2 pills (34.5 mg) treats cats over 11 lbs.- The vet probably gave him 1/1/2 pills because he's a big cat. One pill (23 mg) treats cats 5-11 lbs.
> Droncit *is* probably cheaper than OTC. I don't know what OTC costs, > but the vet sells Droncit at $4 a tablet. That's about right. I pay about $175 for a bottle of 50.
> Here's what I don't get. Doesn't Droncit kill tapes, roundworms, > hookworms, everything? Then what's that liquid wormer that vets use on > kittens? Not sure which one you're referring to- oral or injection. Could be Albon- but its not for tapeworms.
> And what's the difference between Droncit and Drontal? Droncit contails praziquantel- for tapeworms. Drontal contains praziquantel + pyrantel pamoate- for tapeworms, hookworms, and ascarids.
Phil
sriddles@aol.com - 11 Nov 2005 17:29 GMT > > > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit (praziquantel) > pill [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Phil OK, let me get this straight, and I swear I will print it out, keep it and never ask again. :-)
I thought Droncit eliminated about every kind of worm. If it does not contain pyrantel pamoate, does it still kill hookworms? What about roundworms? I remembered the name of the liquid stuff I was talking about. It's Panacur. I thought it killed all kinds of worms *except* tapes. Here's what I don't get. Is Droncit the all-around wormer that will eliminate all types of worms, or not? Or IS there such a product? We don't have to take the cat to the vet, but have to take a stool sample. Is that why? Because there *isn't* an all-around wormer that does it all, and they need to *choose* which treatment based on the typie of worm? Am I thoroughly confusing you yet? LOL
Sherry
Kalyahna - 12 Nov 2005 04:37 GMT > > > Here's what I don't get. Doesn't Droncit kill tapes, roundworms, > > > hookworms, everything? Then what's that liquid wormer that vets use on > > > kittens? > > > > Not sure which one you're referring to- oral or injection. Could be Albon- > > but its not for tapeworms. We use strongid (pyrantel) for kittens up to 8 weeks. Phil - do you know offhand what's in Revolution that acts as a dewormer?
> > > And what's the difference between Droncit and Drontal? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > contain pyrantel pamoate, does it still kill hookworms? What about > roundworms? I'm pretty sure Droncit is purely tapeworms.
> I remembered the name of the liquid stuff I was talking about. It's > Panacur. I thought it killed all kinds of worms *except* tapes. We use Panacur for suspected lungworms. It tastes like soap. :(
> Here's what I don't get. Is Droncit the all-around wormer that will > eliminate all types of worms, or not? Or IS there such a product? > We don't have to take the cat to the vet, but have to take a stool > sample. Is that why? Because there *isn't* an all-around wormer that > does it all, and they need to *choose* which treatment based on the > type of worm? Not just worms, but giardia, coccidia, etc. But no, I don't think there's a total dewormer out there. The labeling for Droncit just lists tapeworms.
> Am I thoroughly confusing you yet? LOL Some of us live in a state of confusion, thankyouverymuch. :)
Phil P. - 12 Nov 2005 12:50 GMT > > > > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit (praziquantel) > > pill [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > I thought Droncit eliminated about every kind of worm. If it does not > contain pyrantel pamoate, does it still kill hookworms? No.
What about
> roundworms? No. You need Drontal with Pyrantel pamoate to kill roundwoms and hookworms.
> I remembered the name of the liquid stuff I was talking about. It's > Panacur. I thought it killed all kinds of worms *except* tapes. Panacur does kill *one* of the tapeworms cats get- only the one they get from predation of rodents (Taenia pisiformis), but it doesn't kill the tapeworm cats get from fleas (Dipylidium)- which is the most common tapeworm. Panacur kills roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, flukes, and sometimes giardia- although flagyl works better against giardia. I don't particularly like to use flagyl because it can surpress CMI. Panacur is a pretty broad-spectrum wormer but it doesn't work very well against coccidia, either. You'd want albon for coccidia.
> Here's what I don't get. Is Droncit the all-around wormer that will > eliminate all types of worms, or not? NO! Goddammit! Now don't ask me again. ;-)) DronTAL kills tapeworms, hookworms, and roundworms (ascarids)- but Panacur works better against hookworms, and roundworms (and whipworms- which are very rare in cats).
> Or IS there such a product? Revolution is supposed to be- but I don't think so. Your best choice would be Panacur since it kills the most important and dangerous worms (hookworms, roundworms and whipworms), and the tapeworm cats get from predation of rodents. It doesn't kill Dipylidium- the flea-vectored tapeworm.
> We don't have to take the cat to the vet, but have to take a stool > sample. Is that why? Because there *isn't* an all-around wormer that > does it all, and they need to *choose* which treatment based on the > typie of worm? Yes, Sherry.;-) There is no silver bullet. The best way to choose a wormer is by identifying the worm.
> Am I thoroughly confusing you yet? LOL Yup. But that's not very hard to do after the night I had. LOL!
Phil
sriddles@aol.com - 12 Nov 2005 15:01 GMT > > > > > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit > (praziquantel) [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > Phil Thanks much. Response duly printed and filed away. But ya know, this is good info to keep or share. I can't be the only person in the universe so addled about this. I see people asking all the time about those OTC wormers. AFter reading this post, the idea of going to a farm/ranch supply store (which honestly, that's what a lot of people that come in the shelter think is the right thing to do) and buying a "magic bullet" OTC sounds like even more of a joke.
Sherry
Phil P. - 12 Nov 2005 15:22 GMT > > > > > > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit > > (praziquantel) [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > of people that come in the shelter think is the right thing to do) and > buying a "magic bullet" OTC sounds like even more of a joke. It does get confusing- because there is no one size fits all wormers.
Most of the OTC meds are older drugs that were developed years ago and are much more toxic than the new drugs. Rather than take them off the market, the original drug companies either sell or lease the formulas to other companies who sell the drugs OTC- its like free money. Take Hartz- most of their crap is ancient and has killed or sickened many pets.
For a first-line wormer, you can't go wrong with Panacur or Drontal. Between Panacur/Drontal and Albon, you should be pretty much covered for the most of the bugs.
Phil
Wendy - 14 Nov 2005 11:19 GMT >> > > > If your cat has tapeworms, he needs only *one* Droncit > (praziquantel) [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > roundworms and whipworms), and the tapeworm cats get from predation of > rodents. It doesn't kill Dipylidium- the flea-vectored tapeworm. Revolution doesn't claim to kill tapeworm only roundworm and hookworm.
>> We don't have to take the cat to the vet, but have to take a stool >> sample. Is that why? Because there *isn't* an all-around wormer that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Phil Phil P. - 14 Nov 2005 19:44 GMT > Revolution doesn't claim to kill tapeworm only roundworm and hookworm. ...and fleas, and ear mites, and heartworms.
Teddy - 12 Nov 2005 11:48 GMT The pill was Cestex 50 mg for an 11 lb. cat.
Phil P. - 12 Nov 2005 12:52 GMT > The pill was Cestex 50 mg for an 11 lb. cat. The dose was *way* too high! Should have been 2.75 mg/kg or 13.75 mg for your cat. He gave your cat the Cestex pill for dogs- that's why your cat's vomiting was so violent.
That's epsiprantel- its not nearly as effective as Droncit against tapeworms. Cats don't absorb Cestex very well- most of it is eliminated in the feces. We stopped using Cestex years ago because of its poor efficacy and higher incidence of adverse effects (vomiting and/or diarrhea).
If you go back to the same vet, ask him to give your cat *1*, 23 mg Droncit pill. Shouldn't cost you more than $4.00- Since he screwed up, he should give you the pill for free.
Best of luck,
Phil
Teddy - 13 Nov 2005 10:50 GMT Thanks Phil, for your help. Are you a vet? You sound like one. About the cat, Scamp- no more 'rice' since he threw up his toenails. ???? I thought the worm/s would be in his intestines so would not be affected by vomiting.
Phil P. - 13 Nov 2005 12:06 GMT > Thanks Phil, for your help. Are you a vet? No, I just work with cats- shelter and feral.
You sound like one. About
> the cat, Scamp- no more 'rice' since he threw up his toenails. ???? That's good news.
I
> thought the worm/s would be in his intestines so would not be affected > by vomiting. The excessive dose of Cestex made your cat vomit, not the worms.
Best of luck,
Phil
Teddy - 14 Nov 2005 17:42 GMT I called the vets office today. They claimed the Cestex was proper and what they give cats all the time based on a chart on the wall that prescribes according to the weight of the cat. The only other med they have for this is Pyrontel 1 1/2 cc liquid. When I told her he had thrown everything up and asked what I should do next she had no clue!
Wendy - 14 Nov 2005 18:33 GMT Sounds like you need a new vet
>I called the vets office today. They claimed the Cestex was proper and > what they give cats all the time based on a chart on the wall that > prescribes according to the weight of the cat. The only other med they > have for this is Pyrontel 1 1/2 cc liquid. When I told her he had thrown > everything up and asked what I should do next she had no clue! Phil P. - 14 Nov 2005 19:42 GMT > I called the vets office today. They claimed the Cestex was proper and > what they give cats all the time based on a chart on the wall that > prescribes according to the weight of the cat. Maybe they were looking at the chart for dogs (or they're idiots)- because the dose was clearly wrong. Some vets think cats are just small dogs. The dose for an 11 lb. (5 kg) cat should be 13.75 mg-- 50 mg is a dose for a 18 kg/40 lb cat!
Here's the dosing instructions per Pfizer:
"Cats: 2.75 mg/kg PO once" (Package insert; Cestex)
"Dogs: 5.5 mg/k-g PO once" (Package insert; Cestex)
The only other med they
> have for this is Pyrontel 1 1/2 cc liquid. When I told her he had thrown > everything up and asked what I should do next she had no clue! Dump the vet. If she can't handle a simple case of tapeworms- I wouldn't trust her to treat *anything*.
Consider yourself very lucky - you got an early warning sign of her incompetence in a relatively mild problem. The results could have been much worse if this had been a serious or life-threatening situation.
Best of luck,
Phil.
Teddy - 15 Nov 2005 02:26 GMT I agree. I already went to the other vets place and got Drontal 1.5 tablets for $9.66. She had told me over the phone $4.40 for one tablet. (?) This is the vets office I left years ago because the vet wouldn't believe my cat was sick when she was dripping blood and staying in my lap all day. Yes, the cat had an infected and greatly enlarged uterus. I changed to the vet who is now prescribing Cestex. Aaggggg!
Phil P. - 15 Nov 2005 19:34 GMT > I agree. I already went to the other vets place and got Drontal 1.5 > tablets for $9.66. She had told me over the phone $4.40 for one tablet. That's about the right price from a vet. My shelter price breaks down to about $3-3.50. She charged you for two pills- and marked it by only about 25%. You didn't get ripped off.
> (?) This is the vets office I left years ago because the vet wouldn't > believe my cat was sick when she was dripping blood and staying in my > lap all day. Yes, the cat had an infected and greatly enlarged uterus. I > changed to the vet who is now prescribing Cestex. Aaggggg! Oh geez... Dumb and Dumber. This vet seems like the lesser of the two evils. Vaginal discharges are classic symptoms of pyometra. Its a good thing you got a second opinion otherwise your cat would have died from sepsis or septic shock. Between the both of them they make 1 mediocre vet.
I'm almost afraid to ask if there are any other vets in your area. If not, I'd seriously consider moving! ;-)
Best of luck,
Phil
No More Retail - 15 Nov 2005 19:37 GMT I can never understand why both vet and doctors can't admit they don't know what it is or they can't handle the situation. Personally I would respect anyone that says I am sorry I can't do this let me refer you to who can. Must be that word greed
Phil P. - 15 Nov 2005 19:45 GMT > I can never understand why both vet and doctors can't admit they don't know > what it is or they can't handle the situation. Personally I would respect > anyone that says I am sorry I can't do this let me refer you to who can. > Must be that word greed Partly- and partly ego. Some vets won't refer a client because feel they'll lose the client to the other vet.
A vet that never says "I don't know, lets get another opinion" scares the hell out me!
Phil
No More Retail - 15 Nov 2005 19:50 GMT By the way the shelter manager said thank you for the extra advice on the quarantine. We are going to open one of the other buildings up to house most of them about 150 - 200 as soon as the professional cleaning crew ( haz mat certified ) cleans it up and prepares it should be this week. Than the fun begins
Phil P. - 15 Nov 2005 23:20 GMT > By the way the shelter manager said thank you for the extra advice on the > quarantine. We are going to open one of the other buildings up to house > most of them about 150 - 200 as soon as the professional cleaning crew ( haz > mat certified ) cleans it up and prepares it should be this week. Than the > fun begins You know what, instead of ordering Virkon S, order Trifectant- its exactly the same product- just a different name and made by the same company- its just labeled differently for shelters and small animal clinics and comes with more instructions than Virkon S- you might it more helpful. Its the same dilution and costs the same. As Trifectant, you can buy individual 1.3 oz packets (makes 1 gal) if you want to try it before buying a 10 lb. tub. I use Virkon S only because I can buy it locally.
A separate building for quarantine is a *fabulous* idea and will make it a lot easier to prevent epidemics and even catch asymptomatic carriers- especially cats with herpesvirus and calicivirus. Quarantining new cats in a separate building will dramatically reduce the risks of endangering the entire population.
Excellent plan.
Phil
No More Retail - 15 Nov 2005 23:28 GMT We already have a small quarantine area about 40 cats or 25 dogs it is a haz mat approved level 3 in other words top of the line for civil use the same one hospitals use to prevent infectious bio agents from spreading. We keep the animals in there till the vaccinations and all the test are determined. The old building does not have separate air flow but it is not connected to the main buildings like the main area. It is neat the person who put it all together is ex military and set it up like a N.B.C. center he is setting the older building up but it will be several weeks before he is done. The shelter manager thought it would be a good idea just to have the quarantine house way away from the other buildings instead of having to go thru all the extra time we have to do while in the main building every time we go in and out. Easier to assign staff out there and they can do everything with out leaving. Plus will save money for the shelter
>> By the way the shelter manager said thank you for the extra advice on > the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Phil Phil P. - 16 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT > We already have a small quarantine area about 40 cats or 25 dogs it is a haz > mat approved level 3 in other words top of the line for civil use the same [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > staff out there and they can do everything with out leaving. Plus will save > money for the shelter That's all good news, but quarantine is only part of the solution. A good disinfection regimen is an absolute must. Diseases are spread in shelters much more often by fomite transmission than by cat-to-cat transmission-- especially parvovirus.
Phil P. - 17 Nov 2005 00:58 GMT > We already have a small quarantine area about 40 cats or 25 dogs it is a haz > mat approved level 3 in other words top of the line for civil use the same [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > staff out there and they can do everything with out leaving. Plus will save > money for the shelter That's all good news, but quarantine is only part of the solution. A good disinfection regimen is an absolute must. Diseases are spread in shelters much more often by fomite (animate + inanimate) transmission than by cat-to-cat transmission-- especially parvovirus.
Has anyone in your shelter taken the AHA Shelter Operations seminar? If you plan to become heavily involved with the shelter, you might want to look into it. The seminars rotate around the country including FLA. Its a 2-day seminar that covers most areas of shelter ops including preventing disease transmission, disinfectants, and how to properly sanitize cages and communal areas and many other facets of shelter ops.
No More Retail - 17 Nov 2005 01:17 GMT Taken already everyone gets to go everytime it is local here. In Orlando we have a major convention center area it comes there at least 3 times a year with the pet shows and seminars. All new shelter works get to go to it our treat. In Orlando the have classes at the ASPCA center and HSUS center that volunteers can get certified at for a number of things. The cat protection shelter pays for it all. That is where I was trained as a DART member along with other certifications And Phil I have been heavily involved in the shelters for 20 years :-). I don't let on to much about this but I sponsor a shelter as in I am the financial backer. The shelter manager I talk about to you donated the property and buildings and runs the day to day operations. I work there ( no pay taken ), I volunteer at the local county shelters and they have total different systems set up. I ask to get opinions from everyone when I encounter something new to me. I only ask questions that I can't find a good answer to, not had any experience with or just want some good advice. I didn't mean to come off like I was a newbie ;-) Sometimes I like to shoot from the hip and the vets can't answer it or don't have time to do it. Sometimes I want to know what is going on but can't get any info like when I asked about the angel trumpet. Plus with my schedule the only down time I really get during the day is to do paper work and post here. I ask your advice for the simple reason you tell it like me how it is. And I respect that to many others like to bite heads off and shove their I am the only correct answer there is down people throats. You hav't done that so far to me ;-)
No More Retail - 17 Nov 2005 02:35 GMT I should have added I have got more involved in the medical workings of the shelter since my training to become a DART member. Ever since The disasters last year in Florida and the disasters this year in Florida and New Orleans more questions and problems than I thought possible have been coming up old age also sometime Brain farts
Phil P. - 17 Nov 2005 03:48 GMT > I should have added I have got more involved in the medical workings of the > shelter since my training to become a DART member. Ever since The disasters > last year in Florida and the disasters this year in Florida and New Orleans > more questions and problems than I thought possible have been coming up old > age also sometime Brain farts Shelter/rescue work sure is interesting- to say the least. You'll come across diseases that most local vets never even heard of or have to look up because they've never had a case. I've had a few vets call *me* to ask me if I've ever had a case of a certain disease and how we treated it. LOL!
No More Retail - 17 Nov 2005 03:53 GMT You saw I just had to ask you about angel trumpet No information except how to treat humans no after this incident it has been added what to do
Phil P. - 17 Nov 2005 03:47 GMT > Taken already everyone gets to go everytime it is local here. In Orlando > we have a major convention center area it comes there at least 3 times a > year with the pet shows and seminars. All new shelter works get to go to it > our treat. That's great! You'd be amazed by the number of people running or working in shelters that have absolutely no training whatsoever. The love of animals and their welfare counts for a lot- but its not enough. That's why some people with hearts as big as the sky run into serious problems.
. I ask your advice for the simple
> reason you tell it like me how it is. And I respect that to many others > like to bite heads off and shove their I am the only correct answer there is > down people throats. You hav't done that so far to me ;-) I probably will, sooner or later :-) I feel very strongly about certain issues.
No More Retail - 17 Nov 2005 03:54 GMT Same goes here but that is what makes life interesting
Diane - 16 Nov 2005 01:13 GMT > A vet that never says "I don't know, lets get another opinion" scares the > hell out me! When Pudge had CRF, the veterinarian treating her had one of the other veterinarians in the practice look at her because she said the other veterinarian had had additional cardiovascular training, esp. blood pressure. Granted, this was within the same practice, but I thought it was reassuring that she wanted someone more knowledgeable about high blood pressure to take a look, too.
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Phil P. - 16 Nov 2005 22:35 GMT > > A vet that never says "I don't know, lets get another opinion" scares the > > hell out me! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was reassuring that she wanted someone more knowledgeable about high > blood pressure to take a look, too. That's a sign of a good vet. She places the cat's welfare above her ego and finances.
Teddy - 12 Nov 2005 11:43 GMT Well, I got the $15.80 single pill and soon after he threw up what looked like 2 days worth of food. I couldn't bring myself to dig thru the mess to see if the pill was intact. I expect it dissolved. So I guess I get to drive back to the vets and buy another overpriced pill. Any suggestions on how to get him to 'hold it down'?
whitershadeofpale - 15 Nov 2005 21:00 GMT > > OTC is what I try to use as I've spent a fortune taking cats to the vet. > > I didn't intend to have this many cats but...... Anyway, I plan on not [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Forget the OTC. you talking about general dewormers or the 2 pill package from pet store that is just for tapeworms?
Teddy - 15 Nov 2005 23:38 GMT I was talking about what you can get from grocery and pet stores. I usually buy from the vet and then see cheaper prices at the store. But I had no idea they weren't safe
whitershadeofpale - 15 Nov 2005 23:51 GMT > I was talking about what you can get from grocery and pet stores. I > usually buy from the vet and then see cheaper prices at the store. But I > had no idea they weren't safe I see...
Well, when my cat had them, it appeared to work just fine.
I DO believe what Phil is saying, about OTC meds.
It does not suprise me at all!
Wendy - 11 Nov 2005 17:45 GMT > OTC is what I try to use as I've spent a fortune taking cats to the vet. > I didn't intend to have this many cats but...... Anyway, I plan on not > replacing these as they 'leave'. Thank you for your help. I haven't had my vet ask for a fecal or an appointment if I could produce the worm or segments from it. The worms don't always show up in a fecal anyway. I had a dispute with my vet for weeks telling him my cat had a tape worm and him saying nothing was showing up in the fecal. She finally barfed up a whole worm which I gleefully took up to the vets office and made them look at it. They didn't argue with me after that when I asked for meds for a tape worm.
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.oO rach Oo. - 11 Nov 2005 13:51 GMT sounds like worms. One of ours had that when she came from the shelter. The vet took care of it in a two pill , one day session.
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> One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair > that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly > what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. > Thanks Juls - 11 Nov 2005 16:26 GMT > One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair > that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly > what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. > Thanks Like others said, this is almost certainly a tapeworm. I think they get it from eating an infected animal, or maybe a flea gives it to them.
I used to have tapeworms when I'd let my pets outdoors. (I don't let them out anymore because I don't live in the boonies now.) If money is the concern, you could probably take a stool sample to your vet to be sure, without taking the cat. That would be cheaper.
But I'd dose everyone. I don't think they catch it from one another, but they're in the same environment so everyone probably has worms. You also need to get the stool tested because if they've got tapeworms, they might have other worms.
I just can't remember how they catch it. If it's animals they eat, you can't stop the outdoor cats from eating mice, etc. But if it's from fleas, you need to start flea control.
I may give Phil a fit with this one, but growing up, we used Sevin powder and it was more effective for flea control than anything. The vet said it was so safe you could sprinkle it on your cereal. (But this was the 70s, and it was a rural vet...god only knows how true that was) We actually put the powder on them and rubbed it into their coats, and then sprinkled it in the yard.
*If* Sevin isn't toxic, it's good to sprinkle out in the yard to kill fleas. And then good flea collars or maybe that new thing you put on their neck. I don't know anything about it (other than it's kind of expensive), just have seen ads on TV.
Amazing what keeping cats indoors will do. No fleas, no worms.
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William Hamblen - 11 Nov 2005 19:46 GMT > One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair > that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly > what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. Possibly tapeworms or roundworms. Usually if one animal in a household has parasites, they all do. It is time to take the animals to the vet for a fecal exam and de-worming. You may have to do two treatment sessions. Fortunately, treatment is inexpensive. Parasites sound gross, but are common and usually do not mean serious trouble unless the cat is in poor health to start with.
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Jim Vecchiola - 12 Nov 2005 00:54 GMT Those are sections of a tapeworm - see your vet about some quick oral medicine to "flush" the whole worm out. Scamp is OK, but needs treatment sooner than later.
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> One of my cats has started leaving what looks like white rice on a chair > that only he uses. Can you tell me what this is and more importantly > what I should do. Scamp is one of 5 indoor/outdoor cats and I have 2 > others that are indoor only so I don't want this to spread to the rest. > Thanks
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