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what age to desex kittens?

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meee - 10 Nov 2005 03:37 GMT
Hi everyone...more questions sorry. Jasmine's had her kittens a little over
a week ago and everyone's looking great. here is a link to their webpage if
you want to check them out. www.geocities.com/rubenandben/ourfamily.html
Now my problem is this. before rehoming them I will need to desex them. I
really don't want someone, even a good cat home, take them un desexed as
often people (like me) can't afford to get them 'done' then...oops! Our
local shelter is offering 1/2 price desexing and as there are 3 boys and
only 1 girl I should be able to afford it. However according to my friend,
she tried to get the vets to desex a 3 month old kitten and every one in my
city refused. Why is this? I have read of studies that recommend desexing at
a young age as being better for the cat, as well as preventing unnecessary
births. is this true, and if so, what should I do? keep the kittens for
longer, risking them not bonding properly with their forever homes, or give
the new owners half price desex vouchers? and what age is it safe to use
Advantage flea treatment on kittens? Jasmine has a few fleas from our dogs
who keep catching them from the dog next door. (grrr) I am keeping it under
control but as it gets hotter i will need something stronger. any help
anyone? thanks so much for all your help, I have really appreciated it.

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-L. - 10 Nov 2005 07:34 GMT
> Hi everyone...more questions sorry. Jasmine's had her kittens a little over
> a week ago and everyone's looking great. here is a link to their webpage if
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> she tried to get the vets to desex a 3 month old kitten and every one in my
> city refused. Why is this?

The vets are probably not use to doing early spay/neuter.

>I have read of studies that recommend desexing at
> a young age as being better for the cat, as well as preventing unnecessary
> births. is this true, and if so, what should I do? keep the kittens for
> longer, risking them not bonding properly with their forever homes, or give
> the new owners half price desex vouchers?

If you really cannot find a vet to spay them early, I would pay to have
them desexed once they are in their new homes.

> and what age is it safe to use
> Advantage flea treatment on kittens?

Advantage has been used on *healthy* kittens as young as four days old
without ill effects.  It is an off-label use.  On week-old kittens I
would not use more than a drop, placed at the back of the neck  (just
as you would for an adult).  Advantage is extremely safe and effective.
DO NOT use any other flea product in this manner - only regular
Advantage.

>  Jasmine has a few fleas from our dogs
> who keep catching them from the dog next door. (grrr) I am keeping it under
> control but as it gets hotter i will need something stronger. any help
> anyone? thanks so much for all your help, I have really appreciated it.

Advantage can be used on dogs and cats - it is a little more pricey
than some treeatments but a LOT more effective.  You can treat the dogs
and cats every 6-8 weeks and it will keep the fleas under control (the
label says every 4 weeks which usually is not necessary).

Good luck,
-L.
meee - 10 Nov 2005 23:06 GMT
thanks for all that advice! I will get some proper advantage; i have used it
before but i wasn't sure on dosages so that is exactly what i needed! i
definitely will pay for the desexing; i have to figure out if i can give
them a vet voucher or something, instead of cash (yay lets go buy beer!!) as
the desexing probably wouldn't happen then. it looks like we are moving
sooner rather than later, so I will put the kittens through a few doses of
advantage to wipe out all the fleas, then keep them away from the dogs until
we have moved and i've de flead them. I noticed the next door neighbour's
dog scooting it's bum badly along the lawn, so if it has worms that bad i
would say that's where the fleas are coming from. a lot of people don't make
the flea-worms connection unfortunately, so all i can do is keep flea
bathing them til we move.

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> > Hi everyone...more questions sorry. Jasmine's had her kittens a little over
> > a week ago and everyone's looking great. here is a link to their webpage if
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> Good luck,
> -L.
whitershadeofpale - 11 Nov 2005 00:03 GMT
> thanks for all that advice! I will get some proper advantage; i have used it
> before but i wasn't sure on dosages so that is exactly what i needed! i
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>
> One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway

everyone knows that Women are Cats and Men are Dogs!

Do you think that removing a little member of the body would ever
change the nature of the creature? heh heh

tcht tcht

lol

desex? I don't think so

at best it merely prevents pregnacy

but a female cat is still a female cat.
IOW there's no such thang as a neutral cat.
A Tom will still want to prowl
A female will still want to quarrel
meee - 11 Nov 2005 00:45 GMT
> > thanks for all that advice! I will get some proper advantage; i have used it
> > before but i wasn't sure on dosages so that is exactly what i needed! i
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> A Tom will still want to prowl
> A female will still want to quarrel

yes, whatever. i'm just interested in the 'no kittens' part of what you
said.
whitershadeofpale - 11 Nov 2005 03:01 GMT
> > but a female cat is still a female cat.
> > IOW there's no such thang as a neutral cat.
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> yes, whatever. i'm just interested in the 'no kittens' part of what you
> said.

you make me mad

im just saying, don't call it desex
they will still be male or female
mlbriggs - 11 Nov 2005 00:04 GMT
> thanks for all that advice! I will get some proper advantage; i have used
> it before but i wasn't sure on dosages so that is exactly what i needed! i
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> people don't make the flea-worms connection unfortunately, so all i can do
> is keep flea bathing them til we move.

Perhaps your neighbor isn't aware of the worms as the dog probably doesn't
make his deposits  at home.  I had this problem once and i went over and
invited the neighbor to come see "something interesting".  She was shocked
at the pile of worms.  She had to medicate the dog as well as all her
kids.  Good luck.   MLB
meee - 11 Nov 2005 00:47 GMT
> > thanks for all that advice! I will get some proper advantage; i have used
> > it before but i wasn't sure on dosages so that is exactly what i needed! i
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> at the pile of worms.  She had to medicate the dog as well as all her
> kids.  Good luck.   MLB

fortunately their dog doesn't wander, but our yards are close, and fleas are
notorious hoppers. i'm not sure what to say, as they are older people, but
still in full possession of their senses. so hopefully they have just
forgotten, and will sort the problem out. meanwhile i will keep an eye out,
and keep my animals worming up to date as usual.
Catlover Medway - 10 Nov 2005 13:46 GMT
Spray-on Frontline for cats can also be used - safe on both kittens and
pregnant queens. Note must be spray-on for young kittens, not spot-on.
Available from vets only.

Useful link from the Feline Advisory Bureau/Cat Group in the UK on timing of
neutering
http://www.fabcats.org/neut.html

This will explain your vet's reasoning. Need to register to join the site,
but it's very easy to do.

Just looked at your photos - what a lovely family.

>Hi everyone...more questions sorry. Jasmine's had her kittens a little over
>a week ago and everyone's looking great. here is a link to their webpage if
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>control but as it gets hotter i will need something stronger. any help
>anyone? thanks so much for all your help, I have really appreciated it.
meee - 10 Nov 2005 23:11 GMT
thanks for all that. I will check the prices and length of protection for
advantage and frontline. I found that site to be very useful, thanks for
that. hopefully i can find a vet who will desex earlier, as i don't want it
left to chance. I have just found a few websites for local vets, so i might
email them and see what i can find out. thanks for your advice :^)

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> Spray-on Frontline for cats can also be used - safe on both kittens and
> pregnant queens. Note must be spray-on for young kittens, not spot-on.
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> >control but as it gets hotter i will need something stronger. any help
> >anyone? thanks so much for all your help, I have really appreciated it.
Phil P. - 11 Nov 2005 04:11 GMT
> Spray-on Frontline for cats can also be used - safe on both kittens and
> pregnant queens. Note must be spray-on for young kittens, not spot-on.
> Available from vets only.

Frontline spray *cannot* be used on young kittens (<8 weeks).  If necessary,
you can use ONE drop of Frontine on young kittens <8 weeks..
 
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