You wanna bet?  It's p*ssing with rain here (South east) and there's
*still* bluddy fireworks going off:((
I love watching fireworks except noisy ones  but here is limit.
Alison

I wonder what the human fascination with loud noise is. (I don't share
it.)

We had a thunderstorm last night, but these never seem to bother Hodge,
nor do locally set off fireworks. (We can see Navy Pier, but they're not
very loud at 8-10 miles away.)

But the new Hoover -- it makes him jump on the chest and cower. It is
loud.

HOWEDY Chas,

You mean, with some LUCK.

You can EXXXTINGUSIH fear of loud noises NEARLY INSTANTLY.
There's SEVERAL ways taught in your own FREE COPY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREFERS NON PHYSCIALC-HOWENTER
CONditioning and DESENSITIZATION Techniques aka The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS /
Bed Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive
Urination / Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic Urinary
Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking /
Spraying / Defecating Syndrome Technique <{); ~ ) >

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>

Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

 The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
 all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.

There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

From: k9ap...@webtv.net (Chris Williams) -

Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:11:22 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: thunder desensitizing

 This thread makes one realize the problem is individual
and varied. Makes me realize I didn't have it so bad.
(Gawd, Ann.  How rotten for you and Sligo!)

 I'm grateful to have just found this ng when Mac was
traumatized by fireworks, because, unlike Solo,

he began to chain fears - fireworks to storms to hammering
to car doors slamming.  Because of this group I was able
to act immediately, which I think is important, and we
began to work our way back through them.

 A big help was Jerry Howe's "anchoring" technique.

I chose Mac's mismatched flopped-over ear.  It's kind
of funny now. When he hears thunder or the kind of noise
that panicked him, his only response is to twitch that
ear himself.

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 4 Aug 2005 11:05:34

Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison: Collars - belated reply

<snip>
I started with two dogs that had no formal training:
one was an almost 11 old dog who was never a problem,
but she used to pull on leash and pick things from
the ground and was terrorized by thunder, lightning
and just mere rain, and sometimes was barking furiously
at certain female dogs, the other was a puppy who seemed
determined to demolish the house we were living in and
drive me crazy in the process.

Jerry's method worked from the beginning with both of
my dogs and I could really appreciate the difference
it made in our lives.

<snip>

Lucy

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 20 Apr 2005 10:30:43 -0700

Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats

<SNIP>

Yes. Bonnie was terrorized by thunder. She was so scared,
that the moment it started to rain she used to go hiding
under the bed and nothing would make her come out of there -
until long after the rain stopped.

Praising Bonnie allowed me to persuade her to continue our
walk while it started to rain, something that I couldn't
even dream to do, before.

And, during the last thunder storm we had this winter, she
stayed with me almost until the end, while I was praising
her enthusiastically. She was really fighting the impulse
to go hide as usual, and gave in to it only when a particularly
loud thunder startled us both.

Oh well - can't take the credit for this one; my dogs
are smart. I didn't specifically TEACH them the meaning
of "leave it", they must have guessed it - and it works
only accompanied by the "GOOD BOY/GIRL!"

Well, it's almost good enough for me. <g>

What about dropping a nice chicken bone they had just picked?
My dogs don't have many chances to kill anything around here -
did I mention that we live in a city?

Sorry. I should have said "aversive", not "punishment".

I think that you can distract a dog in a manner in which the
distraction (=sound) is not perceived by the dog as an aversive,
but just as a "What's that?" kind of thing. It interrupts the
dog's behavior without causing him any negative feelings.

Have you ever tried it while praising? Not that it matters,
as you say - except for the fact that you can't know if it
works or not, unless you apply it as indicated by the author.

Again, praising while producing the sound can make the
whole difference. Otherwise, the sound is merely frightening
and Harriet is perfectly right to stay away from those bowls.

Smart girl, your Harriet! And beautiful, too.

Lucy

From: lucyaa...@claque.net (Lucy A. Afar)
Date: 23 Oct 2004 03:12:46 -0700

Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop

I'm not Jerry, and you know it.

I have no interest in promoting Jerry's method -
except that it works. FOR MY DOGS, yes - and
much as I like to think that my dogs are special,
reason prompts that they are not THAT special, or
not in this particular way.

I did try praising Bonnie for barking, and by simply
going to check what was going on, by validating her
behavior (she was just warning me that someone was
coming, she was a GOOD DOG, for that) and telling her
that she was a "good dog" was NOT supposed to reinforce
the BARKING, but the idea that I knew why she was doing
what she was doing, and that it was OK. And the fact is
that this DID put an end to obsessive barking, almost
instantly. So it did NOT increase the incidence of barking,
Beth - just the contrary.

I did this experiment with my dog, because it couldn't
have made things worse than they already were - she was
barking like mad each time when someone was passing in
front of our door.

And I was curious to see if this strange method worked,
in such an extreme case. I don't expect you to believe
me, but to claim that it would do this or that without
checking and dismissing as "lies" all the reports of
people like me who have tried and found out that the
method worked is really not what I'd expect from an
intelligent honest person.

Especially when the best YOU can come with in order
to solve this problem, is the binaca solution.

<snip>

OK, I see I misread. You say "looking confident and happy
when thunder strikes". In the past, among the various things
I tried, I didn't do exactly that, but I did let her go into
hiding without comment, and went about my own business, without
making a fuss.

Didn't help.

The only thing that did help, even for a moment, was
praising her, as the noise was heard. I've been working
on the recall, so next time I'll try to praise her, walk
away and ask her to come, as Jerry advised me.

I'll let you know how it worked.

Lucy

NO PROBLEMO.

Well by then your kitty kat won't FEAR them nomore.

         Fear Of Thunder, Car Sickness, Separation
          Anxiety Crating & Pronged Choke Collars

Fasten Your Seat Belts, And Prepare To Take
A Quantum Leap Into Awareness, LIKE IT OR NOT.

HOWEDY People,

       Here we are AGAIN, discussing HURTING
       dogs on pronged choke collars alpha rolling
       chin chucking shocking spraying aversives
       in dog's faces and locking them in boxes
       and trying to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.

       We've been through this twenty ways to the
       middle and STILL, our pronged choke collar
       fans CONTINUE telling you to put a pronged
       choke collar around your dogs neck and GENTLY
       control him... with dozens of spikes digging
       into his throat LIKE HOWE A MOM DOG does
       to PUNISH her puppys to "ENHANCE the BOND"
       between "trainer" and dog, as our friend cindy
       mooreon of HOWER FAQ's pages at k-9 web.com
       likes to say.

       Here's sumpthin else she LIKES to say:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

       Our "experts" who tell us to HURT dogs to train them,
       ALSO tell us to KILL dogs we can't HURT ENOUGH
       to make them "respect" the "authority" of our expert
       trainers.

       READ THE THREAD "interested in hearing,"
       where our "expert" janet boss overlooked TWO
       shock containment devices that made the little
       dog aggressive. Her advice was to jerk and choke
       the dog on apronged choke collar whenever they
       have visitors and to lock him in a crate anytime
       they can't sufficiently jerk and choke him, to make
       him FRIENDLY:

"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

       The consensus of opinion of our rpdb experts
       was "KILL THE DOG TO BE FAIR."

       Here's the deal on pulling on leash and phobias
       like fear of thunder, car sickness separation
       anxiHOWESNESS and chronic undiagnosable
       DIS-EASES like MOST of HOWER DOG LOVER'S
       dogs are DYING from.

       I've been trying to get you to understand the intricacies
       and dynamics of dog behavior. There are a few people
       who have learned and benefited by what I've been
       teaching here. For the vast majority, this has been an
       effort in futility, but I knew all that before I started.

      That's HOWE COME I'm here...

       Fasten your seat belts and prepare to take a quantum
       leap into awareness, LIKE IT OR NOT.

       Look at the people we know here who have dogs who
       demonstrate a fear of thunder, car sickness, separation
       anxiHOWESNES and chronic undiagnosable vomiting,
       ear infections, skin DIS-EASE, irritable bHOWEL syndrome
       SYMPTOMS, IDIOPATHIC seizuers, endocrine / neuro
       muscular DIS-EASES.

       MOST of those folks are dominance trainers who rely
       on pronged or choke or shock collars to force control
       over their dog's behavior.

       Why do I say there is a correlation between dominance
       trainers, pronged choke or shock collars, crates and
       fear of thunder, car sickness, separation anxiHOWESNESS
       and STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE?

       BECAUSE THAT IS A FACT.

       The dominance and pronged choke collar crowd
       rely on FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION CRATING
       withholding bribes attention and affection and
       AVOIDANCE to dominate and control the dog...

       The AMOUNT of FORCE APPLIED to the collar
       is NOT the ''BAD GUY."

       ANY amount of force, JUST THE FACT the dog is wearing
       a pronged or choke collar, is the culprit, and THAT is
       what is responsible for the dog NOT being SELF
       CONFIDENT, and therefore he is NOT ABLE to cope with
       STRESSORS they cannot understand, like separation,
       fireworks, car rides and thunder.

       CONFIDENT dogs do not react with undue fear to loud
       noises and unusual circumstances because they have
       developed confidence in themselves through the
       appropriate leadership of their handler.

       Where does the pronged choke collar and dominance
       enter the equation?

       When we totally subordinate our dogs they rely on US
       and NOT THEMSELVES, to assume control in ANY
       situation. The dog has NEVER LEARNED SELF CONTROL,
       and hence, lacks SELF-CONFIDENCE.

       This is what happens when a thunder storm approaches.
       The POWERFUL leader is NOT ENFORCING CONTROL
       over the situation, and now the dog is relying on
       himself. The dog's CONFIDENCE is TOTALLY wrapped
       up in the relationship of accepting MORE FEAR and
       FORCE, to override his natural instinctive, reflexive
       behaviors.

       That's HOWE COME dogs love their abusive trainers.

                     THEY'RE SCARED TO DEATH:

         "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will
          Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

       THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS EVERY TIME THE PRONGED
       CHOKE COLLAR is applied. FEAR of the prongs
       OVERRIDES the dog's natural response to POSITIVE
       THIGMOTAXIS, and causes the dog to emotionally
       collapse inward.

       YOU are RESPONSIBLE for MAINTAINING and
       INCREASING your dog's PHOBIAS, like SEPARATION,
       STRANGERS, and THUNDER...

       PEOPLE! LISTEN TO ME!

       USE this INFORMATION to wean yourself away from the
       STANDARD, ACCEPTED, JERKING and CHOKING, and
       give YOURSELF the ABILITY and CONFIDENCE to
       INSTILL SELF-CONFIDENCE in your dogs...

       You can get all the information you need to properly
       handle and train your dog using non force, non
       confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior
       modification and conditioning techniques, from the
       FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.
       Is it any wonder that the following sig file has
       generated more complaints to my personal email than
       any other controversial post I have made to date, bar
       none?:

                                      CAVEAT
       If you have to do things to your dog to train him that
       you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be
       doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to
       jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or
       twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin
       cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner,
       that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won't
       think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are
       not harmful, or if they can't train your dog to do
       what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE.

       Sincerely,
       Jerry Howe,
       Wits' End Dog Training

       Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
                     -Francis Bacon-

       There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
       problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all
       who come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the
       head should, please, not hit at all.
                                      -Nietzsche-

       The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems
       are learned qualities.

       The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the
       learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers,
       once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make
       him smarter.

       The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
       praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy,
       and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition,
       constant corrections, and scolding.
                                      -Jerry Howe-

I'm pretty lucky with my lot. They've all been sitting in the window
giving the fireworks marks out of 10!

Helen M

Luckily Otis seems oblivious, cos the kids in my street have been going
down the alleyway behind my house and letting off bangers (nothing to
see at all, I didn't realise you could buy bangers that had no visual
effect), for about 3 weeks, one was so loud it set off a car alarm. Add
that to the Mercedes with the American accent (no disrespect intended)
telling to stand away from the veee hic le (or that's how it sounds),
all bloody night long. I wanted to go and smash it's windows to give it
something to really moan about.  I woke up and thought someone was in
the house at first then I realised it was this car, if I find out who
owns it....