Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion GroupsGeneral TopicsCat AnecdotesHealth and BehaviorRescue
CatKB.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2005

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Microchip compatible w/ some medical procedures?

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Annie Wxill - 05 Nov 2005 16:42 GMT
Hi,
I wasn't sure how to phrase the heading.
We had our cats microchipped yesterday.  They are healthy now, but I was
wondering in case of future health problems, will we need to take any
special precautions with procedures such as hydration or injecting insulin
under the skin in the neck/shoulder area?
Annie
jmc - 05 Nov 2005 19:12 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Annie Wxill exclaimed (05-Nov-05 3:42 PM):
> Hi,
> I wasn't sure how to phrase the heading.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> under the skin in the neck/shoulder area?
> Annie

My cat was chipped back in 1999, the vet's never done anything special
with her - injections are still given exactly like before.  Not sure how
different insulin injections would be tho.

jmc
zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 19:36 GMT
>My cat was chipped back in 1999, the
>vet's never done anything special with her
>- injections are still given exactly like
>before. Not sure how different insulin
>injections would be tho.

The correct area to administer insulin is in the chest and stomach
areas. so there should be no issue with a microchip.

From Dr. Deborah Greco DVM Phd ACVIM:

"Most vets and owners use the worst site to inject insulin – the
scruff of the neck.  This site has a poor blood supply and is prone to
forming granulomas.  Because of these characteristics, insulin is
absorbed very irregularly from the scruff.   The lateral thorax
(chest) and abdomen (stomach) are much better sites.  Injection sites
should be rotated to decrease the chance of granuloma formation."

If one feeds their cats a proper diet of canned or raw food, and
eliminates dry food (which is full of unnecessary carbohydrates and is
not a species appropriate diet), the chances of the cat ever developing
diabetes are fairly small and then would most likely be related to
steroid use or a secondary health issue.

Megan

                                   
Signature


"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


Annie Wxill - 05 Nov 2005 20:52 GMT
The correct area to administer insulin is in the chest and stomach
areas. so there should be no issue with a microchip.

Thanks, Megan.  Before we had Internet access, we had a cat who became
diabetic.  The vet told us to make a sort of tent of the skin over his
neck/shoulders and inject the insulin under the skin there.  I did use a
slightly different spot each time, and fortunately, he did not develop any
of the side effects mentioned in the article you posted.  The vet did not
mention the chest or abdomen areas, which is too bad, because this cat was
very easy to handle and probably it would have not been a problem getting
access to those areas.
This cat is one of the reasons that the first thing I did when we got
Internet access was to find newsgroups such as this where I could learn more
about caring for our cats.
I still wonder though, what, if any precautions should be taken if one of
the cats develops a problem that might need hydration.  Would that be done
in the same area as the microchip, or is there a different area?
Annie
cybercat - 05 Nov 2005 20:39 GMT
> Hi,
> I wasn't sure how to phrase the heading.
> We had our cats microchipped yesterday.  They are healthy now, but I was
> wondering in case of future health problems, will we need to take any
> special precautions with procedures such as hydration or injecting insulin
> under the skin in the neck/shoulder area?

Quite likely the vet just needs to know that your cat has been microchipped.
He should be able to scan for "where." And he/she will instruct you as to
any procedures you wish to do at home.
Phil P. - 06 Nov 2005 09:13 GMT
> Hi,
> I wasn't sure how to phrase the heading.
> We had our cats microchipped yesterday.

Took you long enough! ;-))  I remember the discussion when you asked about
microchips.

They are healthy now, but I was
> wondering in case of future health problems, will we need to take any
> special precautions with procedures such as hydration or injecting insulin
> under the skin in the neck/shoulder area?
> Annie

No. Just let your vet know your cats are chipped.

Btw, which chip did you choose, the Avid or Home Again?

Phil
Annie Wxill - 06 Nov 2005 15:42 GMT
> Btw, which chip did you choose, the Avid or Home Again?
> Phil

Hi Phil,
Yes, I'd had it in mind for a long time, but had not decided what brand to
get.  As you may recall, we are planning an extensive trip and my primary
worry was which chip would be most likely to be detected and result in our
reunion should we and our cats become separated.  We are planning to leave
next March and are making arrangements now.  What I haven't mentioned here
before was that our trip will be by boat. I have posted on another newsgroup
about our project to acclimate Cinder and Rosie to becoming boat cats.
The one thing that really brought the urgency home to me was Hurricane
Katrina. So many pets are now in shelters throughout several states, and the
humans are scattered as well. However they got separated, a microchip would
make a big difference in reuniting the pets and the people.  It would be
much better for the pets and would save rescue organizations who are housing
those animals a bundle, too.
We got Home Again microchips.  We talked to the manufacturers of both and to
the local vets that sell one or the other. I asked the local Avid vet about
the Euro chip, and he said that if we were planning to take them overseas,
that would be the one to get.  However, there had been a report of a lost
pet with an Euro chip that had been found and put down at a shelter because
the scanner didn't read the microchip.  I don't know the details, such as
when or where or what kind of scanner, or maybe they didn't bother to scan
at all, or, maybe the chip just wasn't working.
I asked him if he checked to make sure the chips worked after inserting
them, and interestingly enough, he said that he didn't have a scanner
because they are so expensive.  However, we could take the cats to the
Humane Society to have them checked.
The vet also said that Avid had the greatest market penetration and he
recommended it because it was the best.
We chose Home Again because of the flexibility in being able to change
contact information ourselves online (which we could do while under way) and
because they are not encrypted and were told that all scanners can read
them. The Home Again clinic had a scanner, and checked after the chips were
inserted to make sure they were working.
I don't know what the Avid vet's clinic looks like, but he does advertise
that he has separate waiting rooms for cats.  The place we took them for the
Home Again chip was a little "hole-in-the-wall" place with a single tiny
waiting room.  But, they have a scanner.
Annie
Phil P. - 07 Nov 2005 00:00 GMT
> > Btw, which chip did you choose, the Avid or Home Again?
> > Phil
>
> Hi Phil,

Hiya Annie,

> Yes, I'd had it in mind for a long time, but had not decided what brand to
> get.  As you may recall, we are planning an extensive trip and my primary
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> before was that our trip will be by boat. I have posted on another newsgroup
> about our project to acclimate Cinder and Rosie to becoming boat cats.

That should be less of a problem than air or car travel.  Cats adapt to boat
travel quite easily-- Don't forget; before we spoiled them and allowed them
to retire at 12 weeks old, cats earned their living on boats for hundreds of
years.  In fact, in the 1400-1800s, insurance companies wouldn't insure
shipments of grain unless the ship had cats aboard to protect the grain from
rats! True story.

> The one thing that really brought the urgency home to me was Hurricane
> Katrina. So many pets are now in shelters throughout several states, and the
> humans are scattered as well. However they got separated, a microchip would
> make a big difference in reuniting the pets and the people.  It would be
> much better for the pets and would save rescue organizations who are housing
> those animals a bundle, too.

I think Katrina was a wake up call for a lot of people with pets.  Our vets
have received a lot more calls than usual about microchips since the
hurricane.

> We got Home Again microchips.  We talked to the manufacturers of both and to
> the local vets that sell one or the other. I asked the local Avid vet about
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> when or where or what kind of scanner, or maybe they didn't bother to scan
> at all, or, maybe the chip just wasn't working.

Any chip can fail- although its rare. I gotta feeling the cat wasn't
scanned.  Even if an older scanner can't read an Avid chip, they can still
usually detect the chip and identify it as an Avid.  Home Again and Avid
chips (and almost all chips) operate on the same frequency- 125 kHz .  The
Avid chips are readable by almost every scanner.  The Euro chip has an extra
character (10) specifically so it can be also read by the Home Again and
Destron scanners. The only scanner that reads only Avid is the pocket Mini
Tracker- which hardly anyone has because it only reads the Avid regular
chip- not even the Avid Euro chip.  I have a Mini Tracker Multi Scan and
Power Tracker II that read all pet chips- except the 134 kHz zoo chips.   I
can't imagine a shelter having a scanner that only reads one chip. Makes no
sense.

> I asked him if he checked to make sure the chips worked after inserting
> them, and interestingly enough, he said that he didn't have a scanner
> because they are so expensive.

LOL!  Vets are infamous for being sooo cheap!  The Avid Power Tracker costs
about $1,500 but the Mini Tracker MultiScan only costs about $300.  The only
major difference between the scanners is that I don't have to hold the Power
Tracker as close to the animal- its also a lot wider and heavier- not made
for carrying around- but they both read all the major chips. He probably
didn't buy a MultiScan because he can't make money with it! LOL!

However, we could take the cats to the
> Humane Society to have them checked.
> The vet also said that Avid had the greatest market penetration and he
> recommended it because it was the best.

It is.

> We chose Home Again because of the flexibility in being able to change
> contact information ourselves online (which we could do while under way)

That's a very nice feature!

and
> because they are not encrypted and were told that all scanners can read
> them.

The only scanner that can't read the Avid Euro chip is the Mini Tracker- I
seriously doubt anyone in Europe would have a scanner that didn't read Euro
chips- not many people in the US even use a scanner that only reads one chip

The Home Again clinic had a scanner, and checked after the chips were
> inserted to make sure they were working.
> I don't know what the Avid vet's clinic looks like, but he does advertise
> that he has separate waiting rooms for cats.  The place we took them for the
> Home Again chip was a little "hole-in-the-wall" place with a single tiny
> waiting room.  But, they have a scanner.
> Annie

Home Again is just fine. I just think the Avid Euro would have been better.

Phil.
Annie Wxill - 07 Nov 2005 01:06 GMT
...> That should be less of a problem than air or car travel.  Cats adapt to
boat
> travel quite easily-- Don't forget; before we spoiled them and allowed
> them
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> from
> rats! True story.

We will be living on the boat.  It is a 38-foot trawler. We estimate that
the trip will take at least a year and probably two because the boat is
slow.  Maybe we could mention the rat thing to our insurance company and
talk them into a discount.
We think that Rosie and Cinder believe that it is some kind of travel/time
machine.  We put them onboard and shut them in the cabin.  Then it rumbles
and the floor vibrates.  When it stops and they can go out on the deck, the
house is gone and water is all around.
We spend a night, and then, the next morning, they are shut in the cabin and
the boat rumbles and the floor vibrates.  When it stops and they go out on
the deck, the house is back.
So far, we've only done one-night trips.  In a couple of weeks we will take
a longer trip for three days and two nights.  The boat will rumble and
vibrate for a longer time. When it stops. there will be water and other
boats for one night and a dock and a marina for the second night.  Then,
more rumbles and vibration and the house will reappear.
We have considered foster care for the cats while we are gone, if the right
person steps up and it looks like they would be better off in that
situation.  One potential couple confided to us that they talked about
volunteering because they were so impressed with our cats, but they
reconsidered that they might become so attached that they would not be able
to give them back.  So, they went to a shelter and adopted two kittens and a
dog.  So, something really good came of that.

> The only scanner that can't read the Avid Euro chip is the Mini Tracker- I
> seriously doubt anyone in Europe would have a scanner that didn't read
> Euro
> chips- not many people in the US even use a scanner that only reads one
> chip

We aren't going to Europe. (Way too much water for me between here and
there.) We will be in the canal system in Canada for part of the journey.
Most of the time we will be on the coast or the inland waterways of the
eastern U.S. We didn't want to worry that if they become lost, that someone
will find them who would would be one of the few who had a scanner that
would not read the chip.

> Home Again is just fine. I just think the Avid Euro would have been
> better.

Thank you for your input, Phil.

Annie, Cinder & Rosie
Phil P. - 08 Nov 2005 10:47 GMT
> ...> That should be less of a problem than air or car travel.  Cats adapt to
> boat
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> slow.  Maybe we could mention the rat thing to our insurance company and
> talk them into a discount.

LOL

> We think that Rosie and Cinder believe that it is some kind of travel/time
> machine.  We put them onboard and shut them in the cabin.  Then it rumbles
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> boats for one night and a dock and a marina for the second night.  Then,
> more rumbles and vibration and the house will reappear.

So how are they handling being on a boat? If they come out of the cabin and
go out on the deck, they must be adapting- otherwise, they would hide in the
cabin or jump ship.

> We have considered foster care for the cats while we are gone, if the right
> person steps up and it looks like they would be better off in that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to give them back.  So, they went to a shelter and adopted two kittens and a
> dog.  So, something really good came of that.

I'm not sure if that's too long to foster- might be.  I don't think you'd
have the same relationship with the cats when you got them back after all
that time.  I just don't know.  If it were me, I'd take them with me if they
adapted to the boat.  If they couldn't, I probably wouldn't go.

> > The only scanner that can't read the Avid Euro chip is the Mini Tracker- I
> > seriously doubt anyone in Europe would have a scanner that didn't read
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> We aren't going to Europe. (Way too much water for me between here and
> there.)

I don't know what made me think you were going to Europe ;-/

We will be in the canal system in Canada for part of the journey.
> Most of the time we will be on the coast or the inland waterways of the
> eastern U.S.

Sounds like it will be an interesting trip.

We didn't want to worry that if they become lost, that someone
> will find them who would would be one of the few who had a scanner that
> would not read the chip.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Annie, Cinder & Rosie

Bon voyage!

Phil
Annie Wxill - 09 Nov 2005 02:48 GMT
...>> >
> So how are they handling being on a boat? If they come out of the cabin
> and
> go out on the deck, they must be adapting- otherwise, they would hide in
> the
> cabin or jump ship.
...
> Phil

They are not too happy when the engine is going, but it is a different noise
and it is under the floor, which makes the floor vibrate. I think they can
get used to it.   Mostly, they don't like the door being shut.  We want them
to get used to being shut in the cabin when we are under way.  So far, we
have them in the bedroom and I have been riding with them, sitting on the
floor, to see how the do.
They are nervous at first, but don't try to hide.  They don't bounce off the
walls. They come to me for reassurance. They take turns in my lap. They move
around some and look out the window, but mostly, they assume the meatloaf
position and stare at the door and complain that I won't open it for them.
I leave them when we are docking or anchoring because I need to handle the
lines.   They don't like that I shut the door when I leave them, but it's
not a permanent thing. When they are more used to the routine, they can have
access to the whole cabin, but for now, I want to be sure I can get inside
and outside as needed without worrying about where they are.  Meanwhile,
they complain that they are left alone with the door shut.
When we stop and let them out of the bedroom, they come right out and look
around the cabin.  They seem fascinated by the moving pattern the
reflections from the water make on the ceiling.
When we opened the doors to the outside, they haven't bolted out of the door
or tried to jump into the water.  I think it helps that they are used to
waiting before going outside at home.  We make them sit and wait first, then
we open the door, then we say O.K. and they walk outside.  So, on the boat,
they are not bolting out the door.  However, Cinder did jump up about four
feet straight out of an open overhead hatch.  We now have screens for the
overhead hatches.
They have not had any problem eating or using the litter box, which I think
is the most telling behavior.  We have wrapped cardboard tubes with sisal
and put them on the table legs for scratching posts, which they like.
So far we've only gone on very short trips of about 20 to 30 minutes and
then an overnight before returning home. If the weather is decent, we are
planning a 3-day cruise over Thanksgiving weekend.
Annie
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.