Ding ding ding!!  We have a winner :)  Exactly my thoughts, Diane.

HOWEDY Diane,

INDEEDY.

You done ALMOST as GOOD as The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Thank you for TRYIN.

HOWEver, here's HOWE to do it RIGHT:

From: Temperance (whoever@.com)
Subject: Think of my daughter's cat please.
Date: 2004-01-08 10:30:09 PST

This morning 2 year old Velcro was found run over on
the main Road. Who ever hit her knew they had hit her
or an aniaml as it was about 9am. Velcro was a beautiful
cat and at 6 months old came from a guy who mistreated
her and it took a long time to gain her trust.

She was called Velcro because she was so
clingy and would attach herself to my daughters legs.

A shame as we always thought her older cat would go first.
Now we have a sad cat missing it's friend.  I can't get the
rainbow bridge link to work so if somebody can post the
right one I would be pleased.

Thanks.

Temperance

==================

       From: Nancy Verzich (nverzich...@adelphia.net)
       Subject: My cat... Date: 2003-09-28 12:14:37 PST

       Hi everyone, I've never posted here before but have
       been lurking and reading all your posts. The post
       below was posted to another pet NG but no one replied
       and its still bothering me, 3 days later.

       I hope you don't mind me posting it here also...I am
       really sad and just wanted to get this off my chest.
       I am a cat person...always have been...but in the last
       10 yrs or so, it seems like I've sorta become "allergic"
       in a  way to them. If I even touch the fur my eyes get all
       itchy and they burn etc. So, I don't generally hold
       our cat anyway.

       Well, we got this cat about 3 months ago...just a
       plain old tiger striped stray, who was a tiny kitten
       when my 6yr old daughter found her outside. We
       aren't allowed to have pets here, but.......So anyway
       this cat became part of our family.

      I also have a 17 yr old son who is very overweight
      and has NO friends. So this cat became his best
      friend. We didn't allow the cat outside, because
      we didn't really want neighbors to see her and also,
      we didn't want the fleas in here.

       So we kept her inside. But lately, she's been sneaking
       out if my daughter didn't shut the door tight enough or
       if any of us held it open just a second too long.

       She always came back tho...so not that big of a deal.
       Today, my daughter was outside and came back in to
       get  something, and forgot to shut the door all the way.
       Of course, the cat got out. The cat was kinda weird,
       because she just RECENTLY opened up to me,
       personally....she's been loving my kids up ever since
       we got her, but she hasn't really come around to me
       until the last couple of weeks or so.

       So today, I go to the door and call her....she thinks I'm
       playing with her LOL...so she is darting out there all
       around.

       Finally she goes across the street to the neighbors
       yard, and all the way as she's crossing the street,
       I"m worrying about a car coming and hitting her...
       then, she just SAT there on the side of the road
       in the neighbors grass as the cars were passing
       and I was afriad that a car would spook her and
       she would run, but she didn't. Well, she wouldn't
       come in either, I guess she wanted to play for a while.

       About 15 minutes later I went to the door and called
       her again...this time she decided that she was going
       to come to me. She started running across the street,
       and just like in slow motion, I saw a car come down
       the street at the same time. I saw her little body go
       under the car, and I tried to cover my eyes.

       I listened for that HORRIBLE sound that you know is
       coming...but I didn't hear it....the car never even
       slowed down, it just kept going. The cat dashed up
       the street running like a maniac into the field. Every
       10 minutes or so I would go to the door and call her,
       because I knew she was scared...but at the same time
       I"m trying to cook dinner and do a hundred other things.

       So everytime I called and she didn't come, I figured ok,
       I'll try again in a few minutes. When my hubby came
       home, I told him what had happened....he figured that
       she was fine and just scared/hiding, or maybe just out
       playing.

       My son and I a few hours later decided to go and look
       for her....we found her poor little dead body in the
field...
       right where I had seen her enter it at. She didn't have
       any outer "evidence" at all of gettig hit...but it
obviously
       happened immediately when she got to the field because
       she was only off of the road maybe 5 feet.

       My son freaked out..she was his best friend in the
       whole world....everyone is blaming everyone else...
       my daughter's fault for leaving the door open...my
       son's fault for not going out to get the cat right when
       she first got out...MY fault for calling to her and
causing
       her to run across the street...*sigh*

       I  dunno....

       All I know is that I can't get her
       out of my head......dammit. Nancy

Subject: Another "TRAGEDY"

HOWEDY culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta
is kelly's aka on the mental persons NG's),

Yeah. You just had IT surgically mutilated for
a STRESS INDUCED urinary tract blockage
cause you been lettin your dogs bark and
grHOWEL at IT from behind the shock containment
system on the stairs.

Yeah. Thanks to your constant care.

Perhaps you need a new vet?

Perhaps he shoulda had his head examined?

You could break his inapupriate attention to
his wounds using effective distraction and
praise techniques.

Your kat got sick from being STRESSED
by the dogs cause of the shock system
you installed a few weeks ago.

Yeah. Later.

You mean behind the shock containment system.

Cause at nearly two years of age they're
still untrustworthy in the HOWES and they
attack each other cause of the shock system
you put in a few weeks ago that frightens and
hurts and makes them aggressive.

You'll never know on accHOWENT of
you're a pathetic mental case and your
in a fog of anti psychotic chemical cocktails.

Musta been hungry or still under influence
of the anesthetic.

Cause you're an abuser.

Cause you got your head full of anti psychotic meds.

The dogs have become aggressive towards
your kat since you've begun SHOCKING them,
kelly aka culprit aka metta.

The kat they been raised with...

Needless to say? The Amazing Puppy
Wizard told you weeks ago your dogs
was gonna MURDER your kats cause
you TOLD US she stays behind the
shock barrier on the stairs and the dogs
bark and foam at the MHOWETH at IT.

Cause you couldn't train IT not to hurt ITSELF.

HOWE COME would IT gotta ESCAPE the
dogs IT had been raised and been pals with
for nearly two years?

He was DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome.

None of your critters stand a chance. Let's
PRAY you don't have children. Your pal tara
o. aka tee's daughter is takin anti psychotics
in first grade.

Of curse not. Your dogs ripped IT to shreds
limb from limb just like HOWE your pal diddler's
dogs done her vet's office kitty kat whom she
was borrowin to TEACH RESPONSIBLE HANDLING
to her retarded kid's class.

Yeah. A blessin.

No. You're in mental illness right NHOWE.
You have been for many years.

You should get rid of them dogs before
they murder a child then next time they
escape your shock fence, culprit aka
kelly aka metta (metta is kelly's aka on
the mental person's NG's).

Take it to ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.

You jerk and choke your dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke collars and shock and
spray aversives in their faces and lock them
in boxes.

Well yeah, they did. They fear your kat
cause IT would stand behind the shock
barrier and aggitate them and get them
shocked, as YOU REPORTED abHOWET
a week ago. REMEMBER?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU your
dogs was gonna MURDER your kats.

But you HURT them like The Amazing
Puppy Wizard been tellin you not to.

That's BULLSHIT. Your dogs MURDERED
your kat cause YOU HURT THEM and then
you tried to separate them and then you was
havin a psychotic breakdHOWEN and forgot
to lock the kat in a box and your dogs DONE
what The Amazing Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU
they was fixin TO DO cause YOU TOLD US
what your kat was doin and HOWE CUTE it
was that your dogs was foamin at their MHOWETHS
grHOWELIN at your kat.

Take your time, culprit aka kelly aka metta.

Perhaps this would be a good time to take
them to the P-HOWEND and check youreslf
into a mental health care facility? Perhaps
disciple cris or paulette "TOO MANY NO KILL
SHELTERS" kind2dogs nolan or suja OR
janet can heelp you dump your submissive
fear aggressive dogs?

INDEED. Let them go.

You need to make SHORE they're SAFE and
then do the only honorable thing left.

They'll get over the abuse they've suffered, in time.

You've had a mental breakdHOWEN,
culprit aka kelly aka metta.

Cause they're SCARED you'll hurt them someMOORE.

Yes they do, kelly aka culprit aka metta.

They are mocking you. Can't you SEE???

Right. But they fear and hate you for hurting them.

You murdered Mo, not the dogs. The dogs was
only DOIN what The Amazing Puppy Wizard
TOLD YOU THEY WAS GONNA DO and HE
TOLD YOU HOWE COME they was gonna DO
what THEY DONE.

YOU DID IT, culprit aka kelly aka metta, NOT the dogs.

Dogs only RESPOND in PREDICTABLE NORMAL
NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE ways
to situations and circumstances of their environments
which we create for them.

Like becoming aggressive when your shock and
jerk and choke them on pronged spiked pinch
choke collars and lock them in boxes.

That was NUTHIN compared to all the pain
fear force and intimidation it took to make
him SICK. Your kat was MADE SICK from
you and your HOWETA control ill trained
fear aggressive dogs threatening IT.

It was a BLESSING. Do the only honorable thing left, culprit.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard told the punch
line WEEKS ago, culprit aka kelly aka metta.

Like REAL LIFE. THAT'S HOWE COME you take
anti psychotic medications. REMEMBER???

You've been havin a mental breakdHOWEN
since you began abusing those poor dogs.

You been numb all your life. Your father is numb.

You need mental health care.

Re: Are Radio Fences Inhumane? Experiences?

HOWEDY frank1492,

Here's the IN-complete story (short version) of
HOWE culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta is culprit
aka kelly's aka on the MENTAL PERSONS news
groups) TRAINED HER DOGS to MURDER HER
DEAD KAT:

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

there are different brands of fences, and each
one has a variety of settings, set to the dog's
specific reaction.  Lola's collar is set to give
more juice than Manu's, because she's more
likely to ignore the buzz, whereas Manu wants
nothing to do with it.  i have no idea what brand or
setting Hope's collar was set at.

there's also the fact that Hope has lots of thick
fur and a good fat layer (to keep her warm in the
water) and my dogs are scrawny and nekkid.

so maybe Hope needs a higher setting to work
for her.  it's really hard to say without comparing
the collars directly.

and you're right, if Lola really wants out of the yard,
she'll run through the fence.  the annoyance doesn't
keep her in, which is why she's always supervised
outdoors.

Manu, OTOH, is happy to stay as far from the
fence as he can.  what can i say, he's part eevil
pit bull and part fraidy cat.

-kelly

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: we got "the fence"
Date: 2004-02-14 15:48:26 PST

after having the appraisal for the real fencing coming out at
over $11,000, we decided to put up an invisible fence, just
until we can save some cash for the real one.  after we put up
the real fence, the invisible one will probably remain as a
"fail safe" to keep the dogs off the real fence.

yes, i'm aware of most of the cons, i've always been
against them myself, until i talked to a lot of people
who have them, and had the invisible fence trainer
come out to meet the dogs.

i'll only be letting them out when i'm home and can keep a
direct eye on them, and we've discussed it with all of the
neighbors, and they've committed to containing their dogs,
so they won't come into my yard unless invited.

anyway, we had it installed outside today, and started the
indoor part of training.  we decided to put the training fence
on the stairway, since the cats like to hang out up there and
the dogs aren't allowed to go up.

we put up a baby gate just past the invisible barrier,
so that they can't go through it, even if they want to.

i tried the collar on myself before we let the dogs try it,
and while it is uncomfortable, it's not painful, and i'm
comfortable with the dogs wearing it.

we thought Manu would require a higher setting than Lola,
because she's pretty sensitive to correction, and he is a big
meathead who doesn't feel a thing.  this played out with the
first part of training, with Lola turning around and leaving
the steps at the first buzz, and Manu just standing there,
wagging his tail, like he didn't feel a thing.

we upped the setting three more times before Manu
"got it", and then he immediately turned around and
didn't go up the steps at all after that.

the weird thing is that Lola, who was clearly
bothered by the experience, kept trying to go
up to get the cat's area anyway.

this confirmed something i had suspected.

Lola may be more sensitive to correction, but
she also has more "drive", and will put up with
something she dislikes longer than Manu will.

Lola sat on the steps, cycling through the collar's
three 10 second failsafe cycles,  then tried to climb
over the baby gate as though nothing had happened.

we decided to up the correction one setting, with the
theory that she'd find it so unpleasant it would stop
her from climbing the steps, then we'd turn it back
down once she realized she shouldn't be up there.

unfortunately, she never did realize it, so we had
to leave it on the higher setting.

so hers is set lower than Manu's, but she reacts a
lot more strongly to it (scratching at her neck, etc)
than he does.

we'll keep the indoor boundary set up, and keep
testing the dogs with it (hiding behind the railing
and meowing usually does the trick) so that they're
familiar with the warning tone.

Manu is already pretty sure he knows what it means,
and whenever Lola trips it, he'll bite her hind leg and
pull her down the steps so the tone stops.  he's such
a big brother, always trying to keep sis out of trouble.

the outdoor training will begin later in the week, i'll post
updates once we get done with them.

-kelly

From: "culprit" <culp...@flashmail.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:47:05 -0800

Subject: dominance struggles

yeah, i knew it was bound to happen...

Manu and Lola are both 18 months old this week.  and life
has been getting a bit more interesting around the house.

when Manu first came to live with us, Lola submitted to
his bullying and life was pretty good.  he ate first,
went outside first, left his crate first, and got the
first hello pets in the morning.  he watched her food
bowl diligently, and as soon as she wasdone, he licked
it clean.  he stole her toys, and she let him, most of
the time.  their play was rough and tumble, but not scary.
and once in a while, he'd mount her, and she'd just stand
there, as though she didn't notice.

things have recently changed.  we're still treating Manu
as though he's in charge, but Lola as stopped acting like
she agrees with us.  it started innocently enough, he'd
get excited at something outside and go to mount  Lola,
and she just sat down.  didn't look at him, didn't snap,
just sat.  so obviously, he couldn't do much of anything.

then she started getting possessive over toys.  and not
just toys she had in her mouth, any toy he looked at.
she started snapping at him if he glanced at her wrong.
just now, Manu was laying on the choice spot in front
of the fire.  normally Lola would lay behind him, but
she just sat on his head, so she could be closer to the
fire.  this is new behavior, and it's worrying me.

yesterday, we were playing with a soccer ball in the yard.
i'd kick the ball, both dogs would run for it, and they'd
nose it around between them until i kicked it again.  sounds
simple enough, right?

apparently Manu looked at the ball inapropriately, because
Lola just freaked out.  they've made scary noises and showed
teeth before, but no one got hurt.  this was not like anything
i've see either one of them do.  they got into a fight, and i
was alone out there with them.

i picked up Lola by the chest, and tried to pull her off,
but that didn't work.  so i grabbed Manu's jaws (upper in
one hand and lower in the other) and opened his mouth, then
i kind of inserted myself between them and pushed Lola away
with my body.  i put them both in a down stay, and they just
lay there, panting, as though nothing had happened.

but something had.  Lola has a puncture completely through
her ear, and several scratches on her mouth.  Manu has
scratches around his mouth, and the webbing between his
toes is cut and keeps bleeding all over my floor.

and i have a nice C shaped bruise, about the size of a
pit bull's dental imprint on my arm.  and it's swollen
to about half again it's size.

*sigh*

what used to be little "i'm in charge" signals have
recently escalated to the dogs not being allowed to
play together without two adults to supervise them.

i know that having two dogs of this breed can be difficult,
so i don't need any "i told you so's" there.  i know that
having two adolescent dogs can be a challenge, regardless
of breed.  and i know that Lola is obviously not happy with
being the bottom dog here.

the question is, what can i do?  i've always supported
Manu as top dog, because he's always been the one that
showed the signs, while Lola passively sat there.

if it's going to change, do i need to change my behavior?
or do i just "let them work it out" and hope they don't
kill each other?

recently, i've been keeping a close eye on them, and if
a toy becomes a point of contention, i put it away.  if
they start getting snappy or growling, i give them the
"easy" command and they go to their separate corners.

am i managing this right?  is there something i'm missing
that could make this easier?  it will get better when they
decide who's in charge, right?

any good books that go into this?

-kelly

From: "culprit" <culprit00_NOS...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:51:57 -0800

Subject: my brother's dog

my brother and his family have a dog named Wiley.
he's supposedly 1/4 Dane, 1/4 Mastiff, and 1/2 Lab.
i'm not sure i see the Mastiff, but there's definitely
some Dane in there.  he's adorable, friendly, goofy,
and extremely devoted to my niece and nephew.

<typical sad dog story>

my brother wants to get rid of the dog.  Wiley wants
to live inside with the family, but with two kids, a
small house, and a large, energetic, one year old dog,
my brother would prefer that Wiley live outside most
of the time.

my bro says the dog wants to be with the family all
the time, and won't go outside when the family doesn't
want to play.  so he's looking for a new home for Wiley.

</typical sad dog story>

we're considering taking Wiley in.  he's young, submissive,
neutered, very dog friendly, and has played well with my dogs
in the past.   i'm confident he'll fit in well with my dogs,
as far as energy level and play style, and i'm pretty sure
he'll accept his place at the bottom of the pack.

i know every time i talk about considering a third dog,
everyone jumps in to tell me it's a bad idea...   but
i'd really hate to see Wiley in a shelter.

he's a needy, people oriented dog, and i'd really enjoy
having him in my household. is it really such a bad idea?

my dogs have figured out their places in the household,
they no longer fight or scuffle, they're calming down
and learning to be "adults".

it seems like it wouldn't be a bad time to add a dog to
the group.  my fiancé and i work different hours, so the
dogs are only alone for 4 hours a day max.  we have a huge
(1.5 acre) yard, they have plenty of room to run and play,
and of course live inside the house.  i really want to do
this, even knowing that i'll be putting off my dream of
having a show dog  for 10 years or so.

*sigh*  i feel like i already know what will be suggested,
but i just love this dog so much, i can't stand to see him
in a lesser environment than my home.

-kelly

From: "culprit" <culp...@flashmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:55:36 -0800

Subject: how to be a good neighbor/ recall issues
or rather, how not to be a good neighbor, and how
do i fix it?

today, while walking Lola, her leash came off her collar.
my fault entirely, as i must not have snapped it on completely.
i'll be giving it a good tug before leaving the house from now on.

i immediately turned and took off towards the house, Lola
followed (thank goodness).  then we played the lovely game
called, "i'm off leash, and you can't catch me!"  yeah, i
think it's time to do some recall work again. it's been so
long since she's been out offleash, this is the first time
in our new house, that she just didn't want to come back
inside.  can't say i blame her, i wish we could afford to
put up that fence already.  i'd call her to me, she'd come,
then at the last minute jump away from my grip and take off.

of course, i kept trying, which reinforced the "let's play"
aspect of it.

anyway, the neighbor came out to make sure his dog was safe
(not only safe, but wagging his tail so hard his body was
wagging with it.  i don't think he has had this much fun in
years), and tried to help me catch her.

she ran up to the neighbor's porch, and pushed open the
half shut door.  then she ran through their brand new
house (she's covered in mud, mind you) until chased out.

the neighbor's wife was screaming the whole time and
kicked at her as she slammed the door shut.

then Lola ran up to my porch and asked to be let in,
happy as can be.

obviously this can't happen again.  we're going to
install an invisible fence, just until we can afford
a real one, and of course i'll still be supervising
them while they're out.

they just need a chance to run every day.  our 1.5 mile
walks aren't doing it.  i keep thinking that if she were
allowed to run around outside when she wanted to, it
wouldn't be such a big deal, and she'd be more willing
to come back home when asked.

obviously we need to work on that recall again.  probably
starting over from scratch.

it's just been so nasty outside.  we have no lawn yet, so
the yard is just mud and standing water, and it's always
cold and raining, so outside practice is not exactly pleasant.

the problem is, she comes easily every time in the house,
meaning we *need* the outside practice.  so i guess i'm
going to have to get hip waders or something so we can
practice outside.

any suggestions on "fixing" her recall are welcome.  also,
if anyone knows a good recipe for "i'm sorry  my dog wrecked
your house" cookies, let me know.

-kelly

From: "culprit" <culp...@flashmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:33:30 -0800
Subject: "distraction training"

we're supposed to do "distraction training" with the
invisible fence.  the idea being that we toss a ball
or something to the other side of the fence, with the
dog on a leash, and make sure they don't bolt through
the fence after it.

ok, no problem.

but how do you really know how they'll respond off leash?

apparently, you throw a deer at them.

yesterday, i had just let Manu outside, when i realized
there was a very frightened doe standing in the middle
of the yard, staring at me.  Manu noticed her quickly,
and took off.  i've NEVER seen him run like that.

apparently deer make for great exercise!

anyway, the deer bounded through the yard and into the
neighbor's field (she obviously hasn't met their GSD),
and Manu stopped well before the fence.  he then sniffed
along the fence boundry for a bit, then turned around
and ran back inside.

so now we know.   Manu can be trusted not to leave the yard.

i don't think i'll try this test with Lola.

-kelly

From: "culprit" <culp...@flashmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:11:25 -0700

Subject: fear aggression?

how does one recognize "fear aggression", as separate
from other types of aggression?   and does it matter
what causes the aggressive behavior?

Lola is no longer allowed to play with dogs who aren't Manu.

i don't think she's aggressive in the classic pit bull sense
(going nuts at the sight of another dog, unprovoked attacking,
etc).  but there's something going on with her that i'm not
ok with.

see, she's really submissive.  overly so.

her general reaction to a strange dog is to run up to them,
crouch down, lick their chin, then roll onto her back.  this
is all well and good, but the older she gets, the more other
dogs seem to find this behavior annoying, and growl at her.

this is what our neighbor's Lab does, he growls at her and
does some dominant posturing, and she just licks more frantically
and gets more wound up, crawling frantically on her belly,
rolling onto her back, then back to her tummy, and all the
while licking their chin and mouth.

yesterday, the neighbor kid was over with their lab, we were
throwing balls for the dogs to chase, and at one point, Lola
did the submissive puppy thing.  Hershey started growling,
and when she was on her back, he opened his mouth and put it
on her throat (not biting, just posturing).

she freaked out and did her "scary pit bull noise" thing
that doesn't seem to involve actual teeth on fur contact,
but is scary to watch and isn't allowed.

i pulled her off, but not before she had received three wounds
requiring stitches, multiple small cuts, and was pink with blood.

the poor girl is has been trembling and whining since she
came home from the vet, and Manu has nearly licked her fur
off trying to comfort her.

obviously the neighbor's dog is not coming over any more,
and i won't be letting Lola play with other dogs from now on.

but i'm still trying to figure out why she does that.
she's so obnoxious with the submissive posturing, we
call it "aggressively submissive".

what's that all about?

and when she suddenly fights back, is that fear aggression?

 or is she suddenly remembering she's a pit bull?  if it
is fear based, does that mean it's possible to train out?
or should i not even bother, based on her breed?

you know, as much as i love my dogs, and as much as i adore
the breed, i'm seriously considering getting pugs when they
pass on.

-kelly

"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:46:10 GMT
Subject: Re: nasty dog

HOWEDY culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta is
culprit aka kelly's aka on the MENTAL PERSONS
news groups so she doesn't get a REPUTATION
for bein a CRAZY PERSON on the non crazy
person's news groups),

"culprit" <culp...@flashmail.com> wrote in message

news:2lob24Feuvj4U1@uni-berlin.de...

You're a MENTAL CASE, culprit. REMEMBER?

Your own opposite sex / raised together dogs
ATTACKED EACH OTHER and put the both
of them in the emergency HOWEspital two
weeks after you began SHOCKING THEM.

They TERRORIZED your KAT when IT
stayed behind your SHOCK FENCE
causing a STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE which necessitated
a $1500.00 SURGERY.

THEN your dogs MURDERED IT despite
that they too, was RAISED TOGETHER.

Like when your dog ran away from you and
ESCAPED into your neighbor's HOWES
terrorizing them and gettin mud all over it?

Shocking and jerking and choking your
dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke
collars and shocking them and taking
anti psychotic psychotropic medicatons
for many years with NO SUCCESS is a
SIGN of SUMPTHIN WRONG, kelly aka
culprit aka metta.

No, he's PROTECTING his HOWES, culprit
aka metta aka kelly.

There's NO reason to "CHECK" nuthin till
the dog is TRAINED not to do that in a few
minutes, if you knew HOWE.

"Birds of a feather."

Blindness can be CAUSED by STRESS, culprit.
Like cate's DEATHLY ILL dog Orson.

Your FRIEND is likeWIZE a MENTAL CASE.

That's INSANE.

Blind dogs don't FEAR things unless they've
BEEN ABUSED, culprit.

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2004-04-15 00:54:24 PST
In article <c5l0mv$2tpm...@ID-58739.news.uni-berlin.de>,

"metta" <kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com> wrote:

Nope, different Robin.  Planning to get my first
dog from one of the  rescue organizations.  I've
seen your name there.  I haven't posted there
much, but when I do, it's under the name "Robin".

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: choices.
Newsgroups: alt.support.dissociation
Date: 2004-05-12 15:26:35 PST

something new happened this week.  or maybe
not new, but newly noticed.  had a f*ght with SO.

and felt bad, at fault, responsible for causing him
to be mad with me.  the usually negative stuff.  and
i thought, i should let this go.  it's not my fault, i'm
not bad, it's just a little thing, not important (this is
the "new" me, things i learned from it, from meditation,
from growing up...).

and then i decided that no, i wanted to slip.  i wanted
to screw up and be bad.  i wanted, no, needed to be
bad.  to be responsible. to be at fault for everything.
i needed to feel helpless, hopeless, pointless.

i ached to feel that black ball of pain taking over my
heart again.  it's been so long.  i wanted to be
destructive, to me and everything around me.

i took lots of klonopin, lots of soma, drank much
wine.  slept on the couch, couldn't be near SO,
couldn't think of the good things in my life.

needed to keep this badness around me.

woke up, had a test to take, so took test and passed,
but still felt icky, wanted to go home and take more
klonopin.  but decided instead to have lunch with a
friend.  because i didn't want to feel bad anymore.
didn't want to e responsible for bad feelings.  didn't
want to make myself hurt more.

so went to lunch and did some breathing and felt
better.  and now feel back to normal, everything is
fine, life is happy and good and my mood is wonderful.

but i keep thinking about that moment of choice.
i *knew* i was choosing to feel bad.  i could have
stopped it.  i could have been smart and banish the
negative thoughts.  but i didn't want to.

this is new for me, being healthy, happy, not blaming
me for everything that goes bad.  and sometimes i feel like i
don't know how to be healthy.  i don't know how to
be "sane".  and it would be so much  easier to just slip
back into destructive habits.  to be bad me again.

i'm scared that i'll make that choice again.  but not
choose to come back to my "good" life.  i'm scared
i'll stay bad me.  why did i need to be bad so much?

i think this has to do with m*thr's day.  stupid stupid day.

*sigh*

-kelly

--
did we expect that life was ever fair, my god...
i sowed a field of rose and reaped a whipping rod

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: Re: quotes for this time tomorrow
Newsgroups: alt.support.dissociation
Date: 2004-05-12 15:10:40 PST

be careful, it's about an ab*sive m*thr.  please
don't watch it if that's difficult for you.

i didn't know how movies like that affected me
before, cuz i had my em*tions so squashed
down inside, and didn't notice at the time.

now i get very uncomfortable when i watch
things like that.  and i'm supposed to be "better".

hmph.

-kelly
--
did we expect that life was ever fair, my god...
i sowed a field of rose and reaped a whipping rod
-toad the wet sprocket

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Electric brain quake effect?
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2004-05-12 14:43:44 PST

withdrawal tends to be worse for people who
have only taken it a short while.  yes, that's
weird, but it seems to be true.

if you only took it for eight weeks, you have no
way of knowing whether it would work or not.

you need to give it at least a month before you
can tell if it's working.

either way, good luck...

-kelly

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Switching Medication
Newsgroups: alt.support.ocd
Date: 2004-05-07 16:29:24 PST

Blank

Hi guys,

I'm in the process of switching from zoloft to effexor.
My med level is low and my depression and wandering
thoughts are high.

I don't like it.

I don't want to freak out in the store again,
you know what I mean?

What is the highest dose for Effexor.  I'm down
to 50mg. of zoloft until it is 0 and at 75mg of effexor.

I'm sure it can go higher right?

The only good thing is I'm more horny than
I was before.  I've been sweating like crazy
and my contamination, perfection ocd is
bugging me badly.

---------------

i'm taking 150 of Effexor, and when i switched
from paxil, i just quit the paxil and started at 75
of effexor, then upped it to 150 in two weeks.

the Effexor is my miracle drug, it really changed
my life.  i hope it works well for you...

-kelly

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: Re: benzos and birth control
Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic
Date: 2004-05-05 22:24:01 PST

i was on depo and klonopin at the same time
and didn't have any problems with it.  the
package insert for depo doesn't say anything
about interactions with benzos.  it does, however,
say it's contraindicated in anyone with a history of
depression.

good luck...

-kelly

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: Re: wellbutrin--what to expect?
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2004-04-29 19:45:31 PST

weird, it made me twitch.

this makes no sense to me, as there's a warning
right on the label that it can induce manic states,
and should be used with caution in bipolar patients.

-kelly

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: obsessed
Newsgroups: alt.support.ocd
Date: 2004-04-30 20:39:01 PST

i talked with my SO about four hours ago.
he said he might drop in to my office on
his way home.  that's the last i heard from him.
and now, i can't stop calling his cell phone.

he's not answering and i know he'll see the
billion calls from my number and be mad at
me, but i can't stop calling him.

what if something horrible happened to him?
where is he?  what if he got into an accident
and is in the hospital?  just can't stop calling him.

*sigh*

he's probably out playing cards with the guys, talking about how
"controlling" i am., because i keep calling.

but all i can think of is what if there's something wrong,
i have to call him.

i hate this crap.

-kelly

From: metta (kelly_marsops_NoS...@msn.com)
Subject: Re: obsessed
Newsgroups: alt.support.ocd
Date: 2004-04-30 20:44:43 PST

of course, the second i post this, he calls me back.
his cell was on silent.

*sigh*

now if i can just get all this adrenaline out of my bloodstream...

-kelly

And your dogs need peace.

Do the right thing. Get professional heelp.

Meanwhile, maybe this'll heelp:

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

<jessicakn...@mindspring.com> writes:

You mean don't worry abHOWET it.

Like you done?

You're a hypocrite, professor.

INDEED. This is gonna hurt you just a little MOORE than it
will The Amazing Puppy Wizard but it's for your own good.

Picture The Amazing Puppy Wizard EXXXPLAINING
to the state board of education HOWE COME you
don't deserve to be teachin HOWER university kids
to hurt and intimidate and bribe and murder animals.

<snip link>

"There are two types of meditation: analytical
meditation and placement meditation. When
we contemplate the meaning of a Dharma
instruction that we have heard or read we are
doing analytical meditation.

By deeply contemplating the instruction,
eventually we reach a conclusion or cause
a specific virtuous state of mind to arise.

This is the object of placement meditation.

Having found our object through analytical
meditation, we then concentrate on it single-
pointedly for as long as possible to become
deeply acquainted with it.

This single-pointed concentration is placement
meditation. Often, analytical meditation is called
simply `contemplation', and placement meditation
simply `meditation'.

Placement meditation depends upon contemplation,
and contemplation depends upon listening to or reading
Dharma instructions."

Well THAT was nice professor of ANAL-ytic
behaviorISM dermer. Try something scientific:

From: Wakefield (here...@loa.com)
Subject: Re: meditation recommendation
Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy
Date: 2001-07-26 09:11:41 PST

Gotta put a plug in for my incense guru- very
controversial figure, but one of the most dedicated
to incense learning. Start with this link and go
around to all his refs- it will be an education.

Hang onto your sox..www.oller.net/incense.html

Enjoy the hot debates Sign on to the Alice's
Restaurant discussion group, wherein are
archived a hellacious amount of material on
incense. Let us know what you think..

-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly
truck heretik, that refuses to stay between the lines
when parking --

INDEEDY, professor SCRUFF SHAKE and
SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for five seconds
and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer.

That there ain't no Atheists in foxholes.

That little voice that sez your goose is cooked, professor?

Never too late to find religiHOWESNESS, is it,
professor?

At least, for as long as you're in the foxhole.

Especially after having receive a genuine
MIRACLE like HOWE you done!

Of curse, as a devHOWET Budhist you'll
wanna share the good news!

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan
Date: 1997/11/05

It is very easy for a Jew to become an atheist
because according to Jewish thought there is
no physical entity that correponds to God.

Moreover, although Jews may pray that God be
compassionate and just, attributing such features
to God limits his omnipotence.

That is, if God is just then God is limited in the
sense that he/she/it cannot be unjust.

So, for many Jews God is not physical and without
attributes yet somehow is the ultimate source of the
universe.

Some may see, therefore, that it is much simpler to
assume "the universe" being that much of it is "right in
front of our eyes," than to assume such an immaterial,
attributeless god.

--Marshall
 der...@csd.uwm.edu

Well then professor, HOWE COME do you
suppose they call HIM, G-D?

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Leah's Little "Problem"
Date: 2002-04-20 18:50:56 PST

In article <20020420163513.07996.00004...@mb-cr.aol.com>
dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) writes:

IOW, as per usual you don't know your subject, professor.

As well you've repaid the favor many times over.

You're quite the philosopher, professor. Surprising
you hadn't used someWON else's fancy words, well
read as you are no DHOWET, just judgin by HOWE
you weasel words.

INDEED, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

Perhaps medecine would be a MOORE effective
scientific approach. Like in the original poster's
case. SHORELY mamary tumors might respond
to scientifc aroma therapy and your mantra? And
a good diet and some select herbs.

HAD YOU, NHOWE?

You got a MOORE seriHOWES CONdition NHOWE, professor.

It's NEVER too late, so long as you're alive.

IS IT, professor philosopher.

You've said you're an Atheist, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

But then, you've also said you don't do to dogs
what you do to dogs, as have most of the other
non believers heathens Satanists and witches
on the dog behavior forum you've misled for six
years tryin to sell your fraudulent masters degree
program and defend your alleged right to hurt
and murder animals.

INDEED? Very impressive. Got any idea
what that means? Most of us on The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forum don't speak Chinese.

And you got that through your deepest Buddist
ANAL-ytic contemplation placement meditation?

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

All thanks to that last ditch Buddhism stuff?

Ain't THAT HOWE COME The Buddah smiles?

Or the practice of Budihst meditation. See?
You got a FREAKIN MIRACLE, professor!

Your own discussion of hunger and teeth
this week, will suggest SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
of your MIRACLE brought to you by your Buddah.

AMAZING!

Hey, professor? Know when the only time you
ever hear "AMAZING" is? When The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's CONSISTENTLY 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT
RIGHT HERE sayin 'HOWEDY The Puppy Wizard,
your METHOD / MACHINE SAVED MY DOG'S LIFE.
AMAZING. THANK YOU, G-D BLESS YOU, JERRY."

Ain't it, professor.

Well, consider that Madigan bit leah five times
and destroyed her HOWES, she'll manage with
HOWET her abuser someHOWE.

INDEED. That's HOWE COME you teach
them HOWE to be NICE and TRUSTWORTHY.

Let's discuss your SCRUFF SHAKE and the
kids crawlin all over your dog on the livin room
floor and allelomimetic behavior, professor?

That so, professor? You're anthropmorphizing.

You mean, the WON leah jerked and choked
on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar and
sprayed aversives in her face and twisted her
neck on a GL necktwister and offered and
withheld bribes and bit her five times?

INDEED? HOWE COME do you think
your little hyperactive dog Maxie The
Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbator has had chronic
urinary tract bladder inflamations and
inflmatory BHOWEL DIS-EASE and low
grade fever and vomiting and don't forget
his periodontal DIS-EASE, professor.

Paula is a dog abuser and mental case, professor.

Yeah? Well The Amazing Puppy Wizard just
happens to know what a dog is thinkin by
HOWE he wags his tail and the behaviors
he demonstrates as normal predictable
natural innate instinctive reflexive responses
to situations and circumstances of their
environments which we create for them.

That's HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard trains HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manaul Students... NEARLY INSTANTLY,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so
utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog
won't tell on you...

"With him, words play no torturing tricks.........., "
John Galsworthy, adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Their behaviors reflect our words, thoughts,
actions, and training quirks. Jerry HOWE,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  }   >

Keep in touch with yourself, professor.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you got unclean hands, professor
SCRUFF SHAKE.

"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he
enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by
wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who
perceives that the two are one knows the truth.

Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

What is the use of compulsion then?

The love and hate which are aroused by the objects of
sense arise from Nature, do not yield to them. They
only obstruct the path." Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from His FREE copy of The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.

Well folksies, everyWON should thank ed w of
PETLOSS DOT COIN and professor SCRUFF
SHAKE dermer and company for convincing
folks like Nancy that kats and dogs can't be
trained NEARLY INSTANTLY as The Amazing
Puppy Wizard teaches HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
all over the Whole Wild World REPORT RIGHT HERE.

You know, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS and
FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

       The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

               YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                                BUSINESS.

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                      and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                      What one fears, one destroys."
                             Chief Dan George

---------------------------------------------------------------

       "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
       few regulars here who are either ill-
       tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
                         --Marshall

       "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                     and minds will follow,"
                          John Wayne.

           The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Elizabeth Blake wrote:

The freecycle in Ottawa doesn't allow animals to be traded. Perhaps you could
suggest this to the administrator in your area.

Ramboyd

======

"My Ottawa Includes Corruption"

I've seen just about every type of animal on there.  I think the rules on
ours also say no animals, but they are on there anyway :(

You're right about people's attitudes about shelters. Some

OH NO NOT YOU TOO!

Ok, admittedly I haven't read freecycle? maybe there is a link?

but uh, reading Snittens (what a scary handle) version of the story...

I don't see anything odd with the womans attitude. What.

She acknowledged that her son would be heartbroken.

There's nothing like another lover to get over the last...
There's nothing like a wabbit to chase the blues from loosing a cat...

See, the woman's idea was to get an animal that stays caged (so as not
to repeat the car hitting it, she was thinking about her son)Rabbits in
the house? Some people fry them up, If I had to live in a cage, I would
rather live outdoors. I'm SURE they will make a warm place for when it
gets cold.

I dare Snittens to write the woman a letter

WAIT! DON'T DO THAT

gimmie that! what in the world are ya'll reading.

if it makes you bam, I don't think id be reading it

ok, I went there, Iiiii see what yall mean..

however, I did find 90 sheets of resume' paper being given away! :)

They have tons of stuff for free!

You're a FRAUD and a SPAMMER.

Newsgroups: alt.support.grief.pet-loss
From: glsum...@neptunelink.com (Ginger-lyn Summer)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:05:52 GMT
Subject: Re: A note to our "regular" and "visiting" group members
regarding spam

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 04:00:15 GMT,

support@[remove_this_before.replying]lightning-strike.com wrote:

I will definitely look into that.  My current vets (of 22 years) are
going to be retiring soon, I suspect, and I will need another place to
go.  The Cats Only Clinic and one other vet close to me are the only
ones I'm even considering.  And yes, I would like to meet you --
e-mail me with your phone number, or I will do so and maybe we can get
together somewhere for coffee (although I'm a pop drinker myself).

I really hate to think this is true, but you are probably right.  Most
ISPs are reluctant to even support Usenet anymore.  I have enjoyed
Usenet since 1998, though, and probably will continue until the day it
dies.  I am on some of those smaller groups (through Yahoo), and
although they are safer, they are so much more of a hassle than Usenet

I'm on Earthlink, too.  They are very good about supporting free
speech; unfortunately, this may translate to supporting the trolls as
well.  Because of Earthlink's policies, AOL often blocks e-mail from
them, which is very frustrating for a non-troll, non-spammer like
myself.

A few of us will still be around to help and direct, I'm sure.

Ginger-lyn

From: glsum...@neptunelink.com (Ginger-lyn Summer)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:18:37 GMT Subject: Re: A note to our
"regular" and "visiting" group members regarding spam

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:38:15 GMT,

support@[remove_this_before.replying]lightning-strike.com wrote:

MD, I think you must have Jerry in a killfile -- my newsreaders shows
29 new posts today, four (I think) of them in this thread, and all the
rest were from Howe or responses to him.  :-(

I'm sorry to hear about your marriage.  I was hoping one day when my
vets retired to take my guys to your wife's clinic, and hoping I might
meet you one day, too (yes, I'm in your town).  Aside from that, it's
very sad that the vicious folks on Usenet have created such problems.

I still check in here, and will continue to, and try to answer the few
who wander in who truly need help.

Ginger-lyn

Subject: I Can Never Thank You Enough For Giving Sunshine Back!!! I Am
Becoming An Expert On Bad Advice. Re: FOREVER And A DAY!Re: Online Pet
Loss Candle Ceremony tonight (Monday) at 10:00 PM Eastern time HOWEDY
eddie,

Gonna be a good time for one and all, eh good buddy?

So you can con and chizzel money for nuthin off t
DEAD DOG owners...

Cause our punk pal eddie is PARANOID one of The
Puppy Wizard's student's might BLOW the WHISTLE
on him and put HIS DEADLY SCAM outta buiness...

NO PROBLEMO! That ain't HOWE it's gonna go down.

NOOOO... That'd make it TOO EZ...

Yeah? You believe in G-d, eddie? I didn't know perverts
was G-dly... HOWEver, we learn sumpthin new every day.

DON'T WE.

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME you're PARANOID?

INDEED! A dangerous lying coward he is... ain't he, eddie?

Already did, eddie.

You're a liar and a animal abuser, eddie. You've
contributed to MAAS MUCHO pain and death here
on our forums. You even told a man who was fixin
to KILL his aggressive dog to KILL HIM rather than
entrust his dog to live with The Puppy Wizard and
his family FOREVER for FREE nstead of gettin
DEAD and thrown in the garbage to feed the MAGGOTS.

Cause you BEG money off them so you can continue
your war to defend abusing dogs to increase your
DEAD DOG BUSINESS, eddie...

Seems folks like my student Robert Crim who was
misled by our koehler books to HURT his dog, feel
particular grief when they've killed their dogs at their
own hands because the DOG was BAD.

That HELPS bond them to their dog to, so their grief is
that much MOORE PAINFUL.

That makes them EZ PICKNIS for a pathological CON man
like ed w of http://www.petloss.con  Did I get the URL right?

And the LAST thing YOU want is for The Puppy Wizard
to WIZE THEM UP about ordinary little behavior problems
that GETS DOGS DEAD which they could avoid by simply
saying GOOD BOY NICE DOG instead of jerking and chokin
and shocking them as YOU PREFER...

Ain't that correct eddie?

Perhaps you'll repost the koehler reviews JERRY NEVER
TOLDNOBODY about? Please DO fill us IN>

By "safe," you talkin safe from whoat??? Fallin on the
CYBERsteps an breakin your cyberarse? Gettin in a
cyberauto accident on the way to your pitty party????

Huh? Safe from WHOAT???

Very interesting! The Puppy Wizard would NEVER think
there'd be any NEED to CENSOR a pitty party...

Yeah. You've PAVED the PRIMROSE PATH to the
GRIM REAPER for counltess dogs here on our forum
by intentionally misadvising HOWER readers to HURT
their dogs so YOU may PROFIT off their DEAD STINKIN
ROTTIN stiff carcasses.

YOU LAUGH all the way to the bank with your fifty dollar
"donations" you've BEGGED to HELP you "keep up the good
fight" against ABUSERS like The Puppy Wizard.

Perhaps on Valentines Day, The Puppy Wizard will repost
in it's entirety YOUR posting history since The Puppy Wizard
came in here and told folks NOT to HURT their critters???

The Puppy Wizard's message speaks CLEARLY in ALL languages.

INDEED?

KINDA LIKE FORGERY below, from The Puppy Wizard?

INDEED. The Puppy Wizard is far too busy for
viewin photos for His own pleasure.

Hey eddie? You want MINES???

Here: "GOOD BOY! NICE DOGGY! THAT'S MY GOOOOOD FELLLA!!!"

Put that on your site, with a TRIBUTE to the AUTHOR,
and PERHAPS he'll dissappear back into the Ether, as
his job is nearly DONE... what sez our GRIEF CON SELLER
say to THAT?

Wouldn't THAT be sumpthin eddie would LOVE to pass on
to the NEXT generation of puppys so THEY TOO don't
end up DEAD like FRITZ, SAMPSON, SUMMER, PEACHES,
USAL, and all the other DEAD DOGS YOU been INSTRUMENTAL
in HURTIN TO DEATH???

HMMM???

Think about THAT, good buddy... We'll sleep on it till Valentine's Day.

BEST way to deal with GRIEF, is deal with our GUILT first.

It's a hard lesson, but if it don't freakin kill us, it'll make us
STRONGER.

That's a very valuable DOG TRAINING lesson...

Tragic, eh eddie???

Hmmm. Don't know nuthin about LOSIN puppys, HOWER
puppys NEVER run away from their gentle loving HOWESES.

Now we're talkin The Puppy Wizard's language... cause
THAT'S YOUR CON. The Puppy Wizard likes to keep his
eyes wide open all the time...

Greedy, jealous, and deceitful, as YOU are eddie,
that's AMAZING!!!

SomeHOWE, The Puppy Wizard can't envision eddie
SHARING GRIEF...

Got anythin that'll HELP someone with say, a DANGEROUS DOG
they're considerin MURDERIN? I mean, so they ain't gots to KILL IT
to be FAIR? Like The Puppy Wizard GUARANTEES?

Like training induced idiopathic rage????

INDEED. That's HOWE COME you tell our posters to NOT
believe the ONE EXPERT who DOES NOT "LOSE" PETS.

Reach out and PICK SOMEONE'S POCKET, eh eddie?

The Puppy Wizard plans on meeting YOU in COURT.

HOWEDY People,

Here's just HOWE it IS:

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: FOREVER And A DAY! - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have.  The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibilty of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.