HOWEDY pat,

unsurreality_2005@yahoo.com wrote:

THAT'S CAUSED by MISHANDLING.

But of curse. matty is a liar and dog abusing mental
case like you and janet boss and the resof of you
punk thug cowards and MENTAL CASES who The Amazing
Puppy Wizard SEZ can't post here nomore <{); ~ ) >

Yeah. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
QUOTES them HURTIN dogs and LYIN abHOWET it, pat.

LIKE THIS, HERE'S PROOF:

Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:

         > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
         > > > I do know that hitting, hurting
         > > > your dog will often make the
         > > > dog either aggressive or a fear
         > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.

And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:

         > > And neither does anyone else,
         > > Jerome.  No matter what Jerry
         > > Howe states.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

"Saved the dog's life, the family cried through tears
of joy, knowing they weren't going to have to return
their little dog to the shelter they were obligated to
return him to if they couldn't keep him," sez marilyn.

         > > You're scary Marilyn.

         > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
         > > individual.  I feel very sorry for her
         > > and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

         > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
         > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
         > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
         > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
         > > shows a regular poster promoting or
         > > using an abusive form of training.
         > > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
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"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
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An INSENSITIVE DOG???

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

        "Try pinching the ear between the metal
        casing and the collar,  even the buckle on
        the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
        give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
        direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

 And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
 "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things
 is something you twisted out of context, because
 you are full of bizarro manure."

          "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
          helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
          Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
          you to progress to striking them more
          sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
          expert trainer.

          "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
          we have trained require much more
          frequent and heavy application of pressure
         (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

         This is continued resistance to your
         increasing authority, and the job is
         not done until it is overcome

         "You can press the dog's ear with a
         shotshell instead of your thumb even
         get a studded collar and pinch the ear
         against that Make the dog's need to stop
         the pinching so urgent that resisting your
         will fades in importance.

          CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
          Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
          using the stick and no ear pinch.

         When the dog is digging out to beat the
         stick and seems totally reliable without
         any ear pinch, you are finished

          This is continued resistance to your
          increasing authority, and the job is
          not done until it is overcome"

         If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
         under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

          (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
          because the ear is getting tender, or the
          dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
          frosty dahl.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

       "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
       Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
       With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
       discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."

 --Mike Dufort
   author of the zero selling book
   "Courteous Canines"

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message ews:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

   --------------------------------

INDEEDY:

"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

         > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

         > > When you compare using sound and
         > > praise to solve a problem with using
         > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
         > > how can you criticize the use of sound?

         > There's nothing more to be said, then.
         > You've made up your mind.

         > But you've impressed me by mentioning
         > that you're a professor with 30 years of
         > experience.

         >  So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
QUOTES these ABUSERS and LIARS MENTAL HEELTH
CASE HISTORIES <{); ~ ) >

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.
 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
 Lynn K.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn

         "Training is not confrontation," lynn k.

<except when it is>

   "So what?  Whoever said that it's right to
    always not confront?  We sure can try, but
    a dog who knows a command and growls when
    given it is certainly being confrontational".
    You can't simply walk away and pretend it
    didn't happen or leave it for later work in
    every situation." Lynn K.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to  want something."

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
------------------------------­---

I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.  I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

'This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue'

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

Here's the only thing you've ever written you
haven't DENIED:

                         WORDS OF WISDOM
                   from our own Lynn Kosmakos
     1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                           For Twenty Years

   I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
  requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.
  I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
  while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned.

  But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every
  other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the easily
  understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."

  Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems.  LYNN AND
LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications
combined

-----------------------------------------

 "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her - she wouldn't take
 them. I particularly remember a comment she made about
 scarey side effects of Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on
 it, I think I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
 any side effect is far less frightening than the very real
 dangers of life without it."

 Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
----------------------------------------

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com) Subject: Re: Where is
Darlene? Date: 1999/09/03

BoxHill wrote:

 Yeah.  It's interesting, but kind of watered down for the
 mass market, if you know what I mean.  There's really quite
 a lot of good work out there and decent research.  Thank
 God.

 Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!!
CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on
TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, 'I
take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net) Subject: Re: Where
is Darlene? Date: 1999/09/02

 BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

 "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics for about
 22 years. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt to prove
 it. What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,

 "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started taking them
 it was seen as something shameful. If you cut your leg off,
 and were lying there with a bleeding stump, you'd never let
 the word depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
 "You're depressed, on medication?  Well, can't have any pain
 meds.....you could become addicted."

 The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's father
 locked her in her room back in the twenties because she was
 simple. A shame that medication probably would have helped
 her live a normal life.

 No Denna, I was just saying with   Darlene's personality,
 she has a way of making grandiose plans when at the top of
 her manic cycle....as does my daughter. I wasn't saying that
 anyone with problems could be counted on to be
 irresponsible."

 Lois E.

Yeah, you're right. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method DOESN'T WORK for everyWON.

IT WON'T WORK FOR LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES:

sinofabitch writes:

Of curse THAT'S a lie.

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

That so?

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

See?
         > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
         > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
         > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
         > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
         > > shows a regular poster promoting or
         > > using an abusive form of training.
         >
         > > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard DOESN'T NEED to MEET
people and SEE their dogs to TRAIN them NEARLY
INSTANTLY, pat.

Add ANY of it up and you bums are HOWETA BUSINESS, pat!

Adios, CHUMPS!

                Punishment Deranges Behavior.
        "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                        EXCEPT
                  To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                     No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
           A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
           Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
           Dog Lovers.

          'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
          A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante  dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey  (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

         The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >