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Antihistamine for cats?
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5cats - 19 Oct 2005 16:37 GMT One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some things that suggest that they do work. But I haven't found anything very specific.
Are there veterinary antihistamines available or are people just using human OTC antihistamines off-label? How do you get dosages small enough for a cat?
Wendy - 19 Oct 2005 17:29 GMT > One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago > that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some things [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for > a cat? One of my previous fosters had upper respiratory problems that the vet treated by giving her benedryl. I'm not sure of the dosage but it was available in capsules because the adoptive mom had problems giving the cat the liquid (she hated the taste) but was able to pill the kitty. The benedryl finally cleared up the snotty nose and weepy eyes.
I love it when the adoptive mom's keep me up to date on my fosters :o)
W
Phil P. - 19 Oct 2005 22:18 GMT > One of my cats apparently has allergies. What kind of allergies?
I recall being told years ago
> that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some things > that suggest that they do work. But I haven't found anything very specific.
> Are there veterinary antihistamines available or are people just using > human OTC antihistamines off-label? Yup. The most common antihistamine used in cats is cyproheptadine (Periactin). Along with antihistamine/antipuritic effects, it's also an effective appetite stimulant and its also used in controlling urine spraying.
Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) is also sometimes used in cats before vaccinations to prevent reactions to the vaccine.
Antihistamines also have a mild sedative effect in cats.
How do you get dosages small enough for
> a cat? Cut the pills in half or quarters. The 4 mg tablets are scored for easy cutting.
Paul M. Cook - 20 Oct 2005 01:05 GMT > > One of my cats apparently has allergies. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Cut the pills in half or quarters. The 4 mg tablets are scored for easy > cutting. Phil, I think it important to add that cyproheptadine can have a very strong and long lasting sedative effect on cats. I've had two cats on it and even at 1/4 dosage they are zonked for 2 days. Plus, at that dosage it seems to have no appetite stimulating benefit. It needs to be administered cautiously and IMO starting at a quarter the dose the vet prescribes. It's downright scary to see the effect it can have on a cat. I thought mine would never wake up.
Paul
Phil P. - 20 Oct 2005 06:06 GMT > > > One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Phil, I think it important to add that cyproheptadine can have a very strong > and long lasting sedative effect on cats. I wouldn't say the sedative effects are "very strong and long lasting". IMO, the sedative effects of cyproheptadine are rather mild and don't seem to last very long in the majority of cats. I think the sedative effects are much more pronounced with Benadryl and especially Chlor-Trimeton. In fact, Chlor-Trimeton is actually used as mild sedative in cats.
>Plus, at that dosage it seems to have no appetite stimulating benefit. Your experience seems very different than mine. Cyproheptadine @ 2 mg/b.i.d. is a very effective and fast acting- but short-acting appetite stimulant. Its probably the most widely used appetite stimulate for cats- much more preferable than prednisone.
>It needs to be administered cautiously and IMO starting at a quarter the dose the vet prescribes.
Cyproheptadine is a prescription drug- so I'm sure the vet knows the proper dose- which, btw, is usually 2 mg/b.i.d. or 1/2 of a 4 mg tablet.
Phil
Paul M. Cook - 20 Oct 2005 20:06 GMT > > > > One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Cyproheptadine is a prescription drug- so I'm sure the vet knows the proper > dose- which, btw, is usually 2 mg/b.i.d. or 1/2 of a 4 mg tablet. My deceased cat Zipper and my cat Buddy both reacted poorly to it. They were so zonked they didn't eat. Anyway, my advice was simply to start out very low and see what the cat will tolerate. I'm sure it is perfectly safe its just that in 2 cats I saw a very intense reaction to it that although was not harmful, nevertheless it did not help them eat which was the idea behind it in the first place.
As for dosage Zipper was initially prescribed a full tablet. He hardly moved for 2 days afterwards. It was distressing. Buddy had the same reaction on 1/4 tablet. Now if his liver acts up he gets an injection of Azium. That seems to really help.
Paul
Phil P. - 21 Oct 2005 06:50 GMT > > > > > One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > My deceased cat Zipper and my cat Buddy both reacted poorly to it. They > were so zonked they didn't eat. Did you use a generic brand or the actual Periactin? Dispite what you may have heard, generic formulations certainly do vary. The worst effect I've seen were only mild and transient sedative effects and occasional paradoxical agitated behavior in a few cats- and I've treated many cats with cyproheptadine.
Were your cats taking any other medications? Some other drugs can produce a synergistic sedative effect on the CNS when taken with cyproheptadine. Also, some medications can cause partial or complete anorexia that can override the appetite- stimulating effects of cyproheptadine. Chemotherapeutic drugs almost always cause anorexia and frequently alter smell and taste perceptions- which can utterly wipe out appetite. IIRC, Zipper had cancer and was put on chemotherapy after the surgery to remove the mass.
Cats are usually given appetite stimulants because an underlying disease is causing anorexia. Cyproheptadine isn't a panacea and it won't 'cure' the cause of the anorexia- it will only stimulate a cat's appetite unless the underlying disease is serious enough to override the appetite- stimulating effects, (e.g., cancer cachexia, hepatic lipidosis or other liver diseases).
I don't think the sedative effects were as profound as they may have seemed to you. OTOH, they could have been the result of a combination of the effects of the underlying disease and/or other medications. As I said, I've treated many cats with cyproheptadine and I haven't seen the profound effects you've described when the drug is administered at the normally prescribed doses.
Anyway, my advice was simply to start out
> very low and see what the cat will tolerate. Since cyproheptadine is a prescription drug, I think people should follow their vet's prescribing instructions rather than arbitrarily changing the dose based on an exceptional case of side effects rather than the norm. Cyproheptadine is prescribed to most cats to jump start their appetite because they haven't been eating for awhile. Thus, I think its wiser to begin therapy with the normal dose- to get the cat eating again and taper the dose if the sedative effects seem unpleasant. The consequences of anorexia in cats are more severe than mild sedation. It boils down to the risk-to-benefit ratio. In the case of anorexia, the benefits of cyproheptadine greatly outweigh the risks.
I'm sure it is perfectly safe
> its just that in 2 cats I saw a very intense reaction to it that although > was not harmful, nevertheless it did not help them eat which was the idea > behind it in the first place. As I said, cyproheptadine will only stimulate a cat's appetite unless the underlying disease is serious enough to override the appetite- stimulating effects- it won't 'cure' the cause of the anorexia.
> As for dosage Zipper was initially prescribed a full tablet. He hardly > moved for 2 days afterwards. It was distressing. 4 mg b.i.d. is at the high-end of the dosing schedule and could produce a more pronounced sedative effect.
Buddy had the same
> reaction on 1/4 tablet. Now if his liver acts up he gets an injection of > Azium. That seems to really help. Dexamethasone is about 10x more potent than prednisone. What type of liver disease does Buddy have that requires such a potent drug?
Paul M. Cook - 23 Oct 2005 00:03 GMT > > > > > > One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > Zipper had cancer and was put on chemotherapy after the surgery to remove > the mass. He had a benign thymoma in his chest the size of a golf ball and it was removed. Simultaneously he was developing colon cancer (lymphoma) which went undiagnosed due to the tumor - nobody thought to look for another illness. So then he was started on the chemo but he had a PEG tube until the final 2 weeks of his life. He was put on cyproheptadine previously when he stopped eating and wasted after a bathing at a groomer but that was 7 years earlier. The drug didn't help then.
> Cats are usually given appetite stimulants because an underlying disease is > causing anorexia. Cyproheptadine isn't a panacea and it won't 'cure' the [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Dexamethasone is about 10x more potent than prednisone. What type of liver > disease does Buddy have that requires such a potent drug? Buddy has a compromised liver due to injury most likely from ingesting tainted water when he was living feral. Plus he is hyperthyroid and that too affects his liver. He has also had cholangeohepatitus with very yellow serum. So his liver is a mess and must be monitored often. It flairs up from time to time and he goes off his food. The worst spell he had resulted in 5 days of IV fluids and a shot of Azium to get him eating again. It worked wonders and did not have the adverse affect of the sleepiness.
Paul
Phil P. - 25 Oct 2005 05:24 GMT > > > > > > > One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > in 5 days of IV fluids and a shot of Azium to get him eating again. It > worked wonders and did not have the adverse affect of the sleepiness. I'm really sorry to hear that he's having such a tough time.
I now understand why cyproheptadine didn't help his appetite. I'm sure psychological disturbances associated with his liver condition overrode the appetite-stimulating effects of cyproheptadine. I'm also fairly certain that his illness-induced depression intensified the mild sedative effects of cypro. So, I can understand why you don't like cypro.
In his case, the antiinflammation properties of dexamethasone coupled with the appetite-stimulating properties was probably a better choice.
5cats - 20 Oct 2005 01:52 GMT >> One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > What kind of allergies? Don't know. She's overgroomed to the point of creating a small raw patch on her tummy. (Is that what they call a "hot spot"?) Considering the time of year it could be seasonal. This also corresponds to a change in diet from dry K/D to K/D canned. There's also a new cat bed she uses which smells funny to me. "catnip treated" it said on the tag. Also, I stopped using my room air filter for my own allergies in the same timeframe.
> I recall being told years ago >> that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some things [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > effective appetite stimulant and its also used in controlling urine > spraying.
> Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) is also sometimes used in cats before > vaccinations to prevent reactions to the vaccine. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cut the pills in half or quarters. The 4 mg tablets are scored for easy > cutting. Even 1/4 is a larger dosage than I would have guessed for a 12 pound cat.
Cheryl - 20 Oct 2005 02:23 GMT > Even 1/4 is a larger dosage than I would have guessed for a 12 > pound cat. 1/4 pill of human Chlortimatron was what was prescribed to get rid of sneezed and sniffles for 4 month old kittens of mine. Doses of certain drugs for cats can't even compare to humans in terms of weight. They don't metabolize in the same way. That said, my allergic cat with skin allergies isn't helped by antihistamines - any of the common three usually used. Sometimes they're used in conjunction with omega 3s, but that didn't help mine, either.
 Signature Cheryl
Phil P. - 20 Oct 2005 06:04 GMT > >> One of my cats apparently has allergies. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > tag. Also, I stopped using my room air filter for my own allergies in the > same timeframe. It might be behavioral- stress-related rather than pathologic - i.e., "psychogenic alopecia". OTOH, I've known many cats that were just plain itchy! and no medical or behavioral cause of the itching and excessive grooming could be found. The first step is a thorough physical exam to rule out medical causes. I wouldn't advise giving her any drugs- even OTC without consulting a vet. I know you know that, but I had to say it.
> > I recall being told years ago > >> that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Even 1/4 is a larger dosage than I would have guessed for a 12 pound > cat. I've used 1/2 of a tab in cats that weighed as little 5# with no significant adverse effects. If your vet does prescribe 1/2 or 1/4 tab of cyproheptadine or any other tablet, put it inside a #2 or #3 gelcap- it masks the taste and eliminates the risk of the sharp edges of the cut tablet cutting or irritating the esophagus. Follow the gelcap with canned food or tuna water to make sure it goes all the way down.
Phil
5cats - 21 Oct 2005 22:18 GMT >> >> One of my cats apparently has allergies. >> > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Phil I spoke with the vet this afternoon and she said that in her experience antihistamines often don't work all that well for allergies in cats, but we are still going to give it a trial. 1/2 tablet Chlortrimaton 2x a day.
I just gave it to Pookie, crushed and mixed in with a tablespoon of turkey baby food. (Since I had a jar of it around with no other use for it right now.)
cybercat - 22 Oct 2005 00:25 GMT >> I've used 1/2 of a tab in cats that weighed as little 5# with no >> significant adverse effects. If your vet does prescribe 1/2 or 1/4 tab [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > turkey baby food. (Since I had a jar of it around with no other use for > it right now.) So your vet agreed with my vet, at least as far as which antihistamine to use. Interesting. Whether it works or not probably depends on the cat. Even with humans the same medicine does not work the same on different people. Let us know how it works out.
5cats - 23 Oct 2005 20:26 GMT >>> I've used 1/2 of a tab in cats that weighed as little 5# with no >>> significant adverse effects. If your vet does prescribe 1/2 or 1/4 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > cat. Even with humans the same medicine does not work the same on > different people. Let us know how it works out. Well, she caught on to the baby food trick, or she just doesn't like refrigerated and re-warmed baby food. Not much change to report yet, she slept soundly for 2 to 3 hours after the first does, but woke in time for dinner and has been normally active since then. She does have a huge appetite, I'm really going to have to watch her sneaking off to the other cats plates after her own is cleaned off, she's already a bit heavy, she sure doesn't need to put on any more weight. I can pill her normally, but she gets tired of that and then starts to mistrust me whenever I appoach her so I'm going to try these Pill Pockets treats next.
5cats - 05 Nov 2005 01:40 GMT >>> I've used 1/2 of a tab in cats that weighed as little 5# with no >>> significant adverse effects. If your vet does prescribe 1/2 or 1/4 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > cat. Even with humans the same medicine does not work the same on > different people. Let us know how it works out. So far, so good. She's let the sores on her tummy heal completely. And it looks like maybe she's letting some of the fur grow back.
5cats - 02 Dec 2005 03:04 GMT >>> I spoke with the vet this afternoon and she said that in her >>> experience antihistamines often don't work all that well for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So far, so good. She's let the sores on her tummy heal completely. And > it looks like maybe she's letting some of the fur grow back. Last update. We've discontinued the chlortrimeton as it did not prevent the reoccurance of her hot-spots 2 times. She has let the sores heal inbetween episodes.
cybercat - 19 Oct 2005 23:31 GMT > One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago > that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some things [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for > a cat? I just went through this with my kitty who has allergies. Please call your own vet to verify this--but my vet told me to give my cat Chlortrimeton (that is the brand name but there is a generic). It comes in 4 mg tablets, and he said I could give her 2 mgs every twelve hours. I have a pill cutter and cut them in half. This is a 7-lb cat, and she is on no other medications except quarterly Depo Medrol shots. Again, do call your vet to verify that this is okay for your cat.
Also: work on removing the allergens.
5cats - 20 Oct 2005 00:56 GMT >> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago >> that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some things [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Also: work on removing the allergens. I have allergies myself and take benedryl or chlortrimeton (generic versions). Both put me to sleep so I take them only at night. Is your cat sleeping more now? 2mg sounds like a lot since the human dose is 4mg every 6 hours.
cybercat - 20 Oct 2005 01:28 GMT >>> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years > ago [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Is your cat sleeping more now? 2mg sounds like a lot since the human dose > is 4mg every 6 hours. It does sound like a lot, but it does not work the way we might think, i.e. dosage according to poundage. Call your vet in the morning to verify! She might get a bit more sleepy but she is a cat, she already sleeps a lot so who can tell? Best thing is it stops her from scratching and helps when she has the sniffles.
cybercat - 20 Oct 2005 01:33 GMT >>> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years > ago [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Is your cat sleeping more now? 2mg sounds like a lot since the human dose > is 4mg every 6 hours. It does sound like a lot, but it does not work the way we might think, i.e. dosage according to poundage. Call your vet in the morning to verify! She might get a bit more sleepy but she is a cat, she already sleeps a lot so who can tell? Best thing is it stops her from scratching and helps when she has the sniffles.
5cats - 20 Oct 2005 01:58 GMT >>>> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years >> ago [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > sleeps a lot so who can tell? Best thing is it stops her from > scratching and helps when she has the sniffles. We saw a vet yesterday, but she's only a temp fill-in and she seemed really hesitant to make any firm recommendations. I'll be able to talk to my regular vet on Friday. In the mean time the steroid/antibiotic cream we got yesterday really does seem to be helping.
cybercat - 20 Oct 2005 02:44 GMT > We saw a vet yesterday, but she's only a temp fill-in and she seemed > really hesitant to make any firm recommendations. > I'll be able to talk to my regular vet on Friday. In the mean time the > steroid/antibiotic cream we got yesterday really does seem to be helping. FWIW, I asked my vet what to give my cat when she kept scratching until she had little raw spots on her ears. That was the second time he prescribed Chlortrimeton. The first time, she had congestion from allergies that had made her nose sore. (She was uncharacteristically avoiding being touched on her face.) She has EGC and asthma and tends to overgroom.
My vets are Drs. Sullivan, Price, and Driscoll at Six forks Animal Hospital in Raleigh, NC. (They have a web site.) I like them because they are three different generations, all graduates from the NC State Vet School. They are pretty careful, clearly love cats, and do a lot of gratis work for the community.
Rhonda - 20 Oct 2005 03:33 GMT If you use and antihistamine, I'd make sure you get it (and proper dosage) from a vet.
Watch your cat after he/she takes it the first time. Our cat could not stay awake afterwards, he got a bit dangerous. He would sit there and his head would drop to the floor. We had to confine him until he slept it off.
We only did that once...
Rhonda
> Are there veterinary antihistamines available or are people just using > human OTC antihistamines off-label? How do you get dosages small enough for > a cat? Karen - 20 Oct 2005 04:37 GMT > If you use and antihistamine, I'd make sure you get it (and proper > dosage) from a vet. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> human OTC antihistamines off-label? How do you get dosages small enough >> for a cat? Wow. I did give Sugar 1/4 of a tablet two days in a row, but it did not seem to make her sleepy.
Karen - 20 Oct 2005 04:30 GMT > One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago > that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > human OTC antihistamines off-label? How do you get dosages small enough > for a cat? I was given some for one of my cats. I started her on it but she stopped eating and though I don't believe it was connected ( I think she was just stressed from the vet visit where we also found very full anal sacks that were hard to express) I haven't started her up on them yet. Plus, the weather got colder and we had a freeze which has helped. So, I can't tell you if they work yet or not. My vet says it's about 50/50. I bought them from my vet. I can use anywhere from 1/4 of a tablet up to 2 tablets per day she tells me. They were VERY cheap.
5cats - 20 Oct 2005 04:39 GMT >> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago >> that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 50/50. I bought them from my vet. I can use anywhere from 1/4 of a > tablet up to 2 tablets per day she tells me. They were VERY cheap. I always look forward to the first hard frost because that's when my own allergies mostly stop or at least ease up considerably. It shouldn't be too much longer now.
Could you post the name of the drug you have?
Wendy - 20 Oct 2005 11:26 GMT >>> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years > ago [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > allergies mostly stop or at least ease up considerably. It shouldn't be > too much longer now. You and me both. I had a tickle in the back of my throat that was driving me nuts and now it's just the blocked up sinus. Come on killing frost!
I've got a litter of fosters who have been sneezing occasionally. Not enough to figure they have a full blown URI but just a couple of times a day. Wonder if they have allergies?
W
cybercat - 20 Oct 2005 15:22 GMT "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> wrote :
>> I always look forward to the first hard frost because that's when my own >> allergies mostly stop or at least ease up considerably. It shouldn't be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > enough to figure they have a full blown URI but just a couple of times a > day. Wonder if they have allergies? I don't know how it is with kittens, but with my cat, as an allergy sufferer it was easy to tell that is what she has. Her eyes water, she looks grumpy, her nose stays wet from sneezing, and she scratches a lot. Since we have addressed the food allergies and eliminated dust and mold, (and since she gets the Depo Medrol shots) I think this is a seasonal thing. When I notice these symptoms or that she has scratched a little red spot into her ears, I use the Chlortrimeton, but just one or two doses as I am afraid of overmedicating her. It seems to help. I notice that she scratches less.
Karen - 20 Oct 2005 18:44 GMT >>> One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years > ago [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > shouldn't be too much longer now. > Could you post the name of the drug you have? It says chlormeraphir on the label. I think it is some generic form of Chloro-trimeton.
Karen - 20 Oct 2005 04:32 GMT > One of my cats apparently has allergies. I recall being told years ago > that antihistamines didn't work in cats, but now I'm reading some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > human OTC antihistamines off-label? How do you get dosages small enough > for a cat? Oh, it is chlorpheremir.
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