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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2005Cat Cruelty - sorry, using rpchb as a support group again...
Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. A couple days ago, he told my wife about a time he was visiting her folks in rural Indiana as a toddler. A cousin showed him a kitten and got him really interested in it. Then he tossed it to a pair of dogs that killed it. That was about 14 years ago, and he bawled telling her about it. Now, I saw our cat Tom get killed by dogs around the same time. It's horrible, but I've learned to live with it. This is just terrible though. I can't stop thinking about it. This also explains why he was so adament about adopting a kitten from there the next year. Gah. How can people be so inhumane? Can't friggin stand it. BLink > Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > BLink It's just f.cking sick. Not only did the a.shole torture a kitten, he tortured your son. If some SOB did that to my son, I'd kill them, and I'm not kidding. -L. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> > If some SOB did that to my son, I'd kill them, and >I'm not kidding. > >-L. So you're anti-gun but pro-murder. Interesting set of values you have there. :) So I'm really curious, now. What would you use to "kill them". >> Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >-L. Believe me, I've had long fantasies about exposing this bastard in front of my wife's otherwise kind family. But what does it solve? That kitten's dead - along with untold other anonymous farm cats he decided to torture and kill. There is a definite mindset among some folks that I've seen first hand - cats are vermin. Killing them is sport. As I've learned from my friendship with a little squirrel in my front yard, people draw a line at some level of evolutionary development - thought they're devoted to their dog, or pet bird, or cat, the squirrel must be killed. Move the register up a few notches.. then the dog is good, the cat is vermin.. move it up some more, and you're in southeast asia where dogs and cats are food. I think it's my problem - I'm a friggin liberal who loves mammals - and wishes they could all live happily with us. How do we deal with folks with different viewpoints? Cats as food - cats as vermin - bah. Unfortunately, to answer sriddle's post, the cousin is now a farmer and could kick my a.s without breaking a sweat. I SO want to confront him about this though. My son is completely open with us. He's shared secrets that most teens hide because he trusts us. That he waited so long for this confession is a testament to how deeply this affected him. The only thing I console myself with is that he talked us into adopting one of those farm kittens - he saved one. So damn sad. And of course I'm the insomniac and can't talk to anyone about it now that it's friggin killing me at 2 am CST. sh.t. BLink > Believe me, I've had long fantasies about exposing this bastard in > front of my wife's otherwise kind family. But what does it solve? That [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > hide because he trusts us. That he waited so long for this confession > is a testament to how deeply this affected him. No doubt. It will stay with him forever. > The only thing I console myself with is that he talked us into > adopting one of those farm kittens - he saved one. > > So damn sad. And of course I'm the insomniac and can't talk to anyone > about it now that it's friggin killing me at 2 am CST. sh.t. I'd be really tempted to talk to the cousin and tell him how his actions really affected your son. I would approach it as "I know you don't think this is a big deal, but it really affected our son, and this is why." He may never "get it" but he will know you don't think it's cool, and he will know he hurt your son. THAT, I think, is important. Maybe the a.shole will think twice before pulling that kind of crap in front of little kids again. I hate this kind of sh.t too. It kills me. -L. > Believe me, I've had long fantasies about exposing this bastard in > front of my wife's otherwise kind family. But what does it solve? That [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > hide because he trusts us. That he waited so long for this confession > is a testament to how deeply this affected him. No doubt. It will stay with him forever. > The only thing I console myself with is that he talked us into > adopting one of those farm kittens - he saved one. > > So damn sad. And of course I'm the insomniac and can't talk to anyone > about it now that it's friggin killing me at 2 am CST. sh.t. I'd be really tempted to talk to the cousin and tell him how his actions really affected your son. I would approach it as "I know you don't think this is a big deal, but it really affected our son, and this is why." He may never "get it" but he will know you don't think it's cool, and he will know he hurt your son. THAT, I think, is important. Maybe the a.shole will think twice before pulling that kind of crap in front of little kids again. I hate this kind of sh.t too. It kills me. -L. > >> Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. > >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > BLink I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards eating cats and dogs and other animals. I just don't get it. I first started to question things when I went to feed the ducks in our local park, then guess what mum had made for dinner that night? I see all animals the same, whether they're pets or domesticated or not. It's so easy these days to buy a piece of meat, fish etc, frozen and packaged, and forget where it actually comes from. Rant over Marcia > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Marcia I agree and I'm not veg. Cultural differences are just that - cultural differences. It's the treatment of the animals that concerns me more than anything else. I just wish that they were all humanely raised and slaughtered. Most aren't. -L. > > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -L. That's the main reason I went veggie, cos I'm against the factory farming side of things, I've seen some really gross outrageous films of the way animals are treated, with no compassion at all. If an animal could die of old age I would eat it (I know, I know it would taste disgusting so I won't). I don't even buy leather anymore, couldn't justify it as I wasn't eating beef. I'm a hypocrite though, as I should really be a vegan as I'm told dairy farming is cruel too, and I can't be 100% sure that my "free range" eggs really are that kind, sigh, one day I'll do it. > > > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > > > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > can't be 100% sure that my "free range" eggs really are that kind, > sigh, one day I'll do it. IOW: "I'm a bleeding heart, knee-jerk NUT-CASE" > > > > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > > > > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > IOW: "I'm a bleeding heart, knee-jerk NUT-CASE" Awww, have I hit the feeling guilty must attack nerve? > > > That's the main reason I went veggie, cos I'm against the factory > > > farming side of things, I've seen some really gross outrageous films of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > can't be 100% sure that my "free range" eggs really are that kind, > > > sigh, one day I'll do it. I buy organic products that are produced on family farms and sold through a co-operative. Free-range chickens, the whole bit.  SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > > > > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > > > > > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Awww, have I hit the feeling guilty must attack nerve? You give youR puny pitiful little intellect far to much credit, dear... What you hit was the 'stand there and shake your head and laugh at the FREAK' nerve. LOL...!! Hahhh...! Hahhh....!! Heeeeee..!!! Haaaaaa!! LOL..!!! > > > > > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > > > > > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Awww, have I hit the feeling guilty must attack nerve? You give your puny, pitiful little intellect far too much credit, dear... What you hit was the 'stand there and shake your head and laugh at the FREAK' nerve. LOL...!! Hahhh...! Hahhh....!! Heeeeee..!!! Haaaaaa!! LOL..!!! IBen Getiner > I know no-one will agree with me, but I have to say it anyway. I am a > vegetarian (gasp), and I love cats, but can see no difference towards [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Marcia That's true--we *do* forget where it comes from. Our meat is nice and clean and shrinkwrapped, and in no way resembles whatever it was when it was walking/flying/swimming around. Someone told me once if I spent one day on the killing floor of a slaughterhouse, I'd be an instant vegetarian. That's probably true. Sherry >Unfortunately, to answer sriddle's post, the cousin is now a farmer >and could kick my a.s without breaking a sweat. I SO want to confront >him about this though. More deadlifts and squats, and bag work on the off days? HTH Lorraine >>Unfortunately, to answer sriddle's post, the cousin is now a farmer >>and could kick my a.s without breaking a sweat. I SO want to confront [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >HTH >Lorraine More important to get your speed up and improve your balance. Then take out his kneecap if he steps too close. -mhd >More important to get your speed up and improve your balance. Then >take out his kneecap if he steps too close. I was thinking that Brian was a powerlifter, but yeah, your way might work better. L. > >More important to get your speed up and improve your balance. Then > >take out his kneecap if he steps too close. > > I was thinking that Brian was a powerlifter, but yeah, your way might > work better. I see. You're thinking a pint instead of a mug? 16 oz instead of 12, maybe? >> >More important to get your speed up and improve your balance. Then >> >take out his kneecap if he steps too close. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I see. You're thinking a pint instead of a mug? 16 oz instead of 12, maybe? Where'd this booze thing come from? A remnant of the Mary wars? How odd. BLink >>More important to get your speed up and improve your balance. Then >>take out his kneecap if he steps too close. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >L. Heh - not a powerlifter, I just like lifting heavy pieces of metal. Even if I was, a 40+ year old with gym work is still no match for a 20 year old farm-hand. No, as I mentioned before, his family is pretty reasonable. Gonna see a couple of them on a visit in a few weeks, and I'll bring it up. As someone else mentioned, I also thought about the "serial killer getting his start torturing animals". This kid needs help. My son is helped by getting it off his chest. BLink >Heh - not a powerlifter, I just like lifting heavy pieces of metal. >Even if I was, a 40+ year old with gym work is still no match for a 20 >year old farm-hand. I thought you had actually done a meet or two. I haven't been lurking around MFW for over a year, so I'm probably confused. L. >>Heh - not a powerlifter, I just like lifting heavy pieces of metal. >>Even if I was, a 40+ year old with gym work is still no match for a 20 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >L. Na, I'm the old fart who hit 40 completely out of shape, and used resistance training to regain a semblance of health. Started out 180 lbs @ 24% bodyfat, made it to 200 lbs @ 10% bodyfat. I wear smaller pants, but couldn't fight my way out of a paper bag, unless I got the guy on the ground. Though the thought of getting this little f.cker in choke-hold is really appealing, it wouldn't solve anything. BLink > Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > BLink So what kind of man did the cousin grow up to be? >> Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >So what kind of man did the cousin grow up to be? Most likely a serial murderer. Folks who torture animals are just sick. If I need to kill something, like a roach, I just kill it, not torture it. But I open up screens to let flies out of my house if they manage to end up inside rather than kill them. >>> Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > But I open up screens to let flies out of my house if they manage to end > up inside rather than kill them. Re: Flies. If you close off all light sources except one to the outside, the fly will go to that light source. Then open the door/window and it will fly out. This is much easier than running around with a swatter trying to kill it (which is also messy). This is not an humane act on my part -- I HATE flies and wish them extinct. MLB > Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > BLink That cousin has something seriously wrong with him. Being rural and seeing cats as vermin is no excuse. I think rats are vermin, but I don't torture them to death. Anyone who tortures an animal is sick. I'm sorry you son had to witness that. -Kelly > That cousin has something seriously wrong with him. Seriously. The boy's ploidy ain't right. -L. > Well, now I know why my son's always been indifferent towards cats. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > BLink You are a feminized moron, dude... That or a screwy woman in desperate need of the proper hormonal balance. Get a friggin' life... There's a REAL world out there that you could be participating in... IBen |
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