Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2005
Cat Hoarder Issue - need advice
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pah41071@yahoo.com - 12 Oct 2005 14:15 GMT Does anyone have experience dealing with a cat hoarder? I was approached by an elderly couple about a month ago for spay/neuter and adoption assistance. One week later, the husband asked whether he could take three of his cats to my vet, as they were sick. They were dying from anemia and had to be euthanized (three more were since euthanized). It turns out he had 70+ cats in his house, only 10 of which are altered and is dealing with a severe flea infestation.
History: Animal Control was actually at the former residence of the couple 2-3 months ago and randomly removed somewhere between 25 and 35 cats (including two altered animals). The other cats simply hid, and some escaped during the raid. I am calling it a raid as this was what the couple described it as. They apparently had offered to help round up cats and get them into carriers, but Animal Control refused the help. Instead, they simply caught whichever cats they could with dog catch poles. Subsequently, Animal Control did not involve anyone else e.g. Social Services, so the couple is not receiving counseling or other help, nor were they charged in court, they were simply evicted from the home.
I have at this point removed 32 kittens and 13 adoptable adults from the house, with app. 40 cats remaining. Everyone at the house has now been treated for fleas and moved into the two least infested rooms. The cats are pretty much unsocialized i.e. unadoptable. The couple has started to clean up the house. But they need more help than I can get them. They need help with the clean-up or it will take months. They have no running water and no usable kitchen (ruined by the cats). They can neither pay for the altering of 40 cats, nor care for them (I have requested a grant but it will only cover 10 animals). They need monitoring so that they do not acquire new animals (but I do believe it is in everyone's interest to return some - altered - cats to them, to suppress the urge to take in new animals).
Where do I turn for help, without involving Animal Control at this point?
sriddles@aol.com - 12 Oct 2005 14:37 GMT > Does anyone have experience dealing with a cat hoarder? I was > approached by an elderly couple about a month ago for spay/neuter and [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Where do I turn for help, without involving Animal Control at this > point? Do you have a local humane society or rescue group, for the welfare of the cats? For the welfare of the people, I don't know. The house sounds uninhabitable. Have you checked with social services? The other solution would be to start fundraising and establish some foster homes, and ultimately start adopting them out. That's much easier said than done, and you've got to have a corps of volunteers to make it work. That's one thing you could discuss with the humane society folks. Man. Good luck. It is good of you to try to help those people. I hope social services can help with counseling for them. Your animal control sounds sucky. A lot of them are. They're into catching/warehousing/killing animals and nothing more. Any A/C department is no better than the level of compassion of the people who run it.
Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 12 Oct 2005 14:42 GMT One thing I forgot. The media can be your best friend. Call the TV stations, radio stations, newspapers. Put posters in your animal-care-related stores and vets. This sounds like a great human interest story. If they run it, you'll gain the sympathy of local animal lovers, and you'll most certainly get much-needed donations and volunteers. It would be better to do this through a 501(c)3 rescue org. or humane society; there would be more credibility than just an individual raising funds. If you can't do that, you could establish a fund at the local bank. Good luck, again. Please let us know how this turns out. Also, lobby your vets to help you pro bono. They'll get great publicity.
Sherry
chas - 12 Oct 2005 16:30 GMT Congratualtions for all your hard work. You ahve done the animals proud. But there are still 40 left that need saving from these people who don't just need help with the cats - they need help for themselves to and even legal sanctions to stop them for being so stupid in the future.
No one should keep this many animals as pets - how can they possibly look after them?
In the UK we get the same similar stories in the media from time to time - most recent one with over 100 pets - and the place ankle deep in excrement.
Many of the poor creatures were found dead by the time the authorities got involved - and many more were too ill to save.
If anyone suspects someone is hoarding animals they have a duty to report it to the authorities.
Even if those animals end up being destroyed.
Living in conditions such as these are living hell for the poor creatures and it is likely that the persons who took them in may have mental health issues - after all anyone who keeps this many pets in their home CANNOT be making a rational decision to do so.
chas
pah41071@yahoo.com - 12 Oct 2005 18:42 GMT I agree - the people who cause this do have mental health issues. At least in this case (contrary to most hoarding cases), the people asked for help and want to get help for themselves and the animals. It's just that they want to give the animals they have caused suffering for so far to have a chance at living a normal life versus being destroyed. They have agreed that it would be better for the non-adoptable animals to be euthanized than to continue living in these conditions, but in an ideal world, they would like to place them with rescues (the local shelter is tiny, overloaded and given the fact that it is in a very rural setting, sees very few adoptions of cats).
Think about it - the authorities have already been involved, and all they did was remove animals, but took no steps to help the people. How should anyone without health insurance and with minimum income help themselves and the animals on their own? The couple is spending every penny they have on food, litter & as much medical care for the animals as they can possibly afford (which included a PU surgery for a blocked male cat and an enucleation for a kitten). Most authorities still don't understand that a hoarder can only be helped holistically - which is why I am trying to find non-government organizations which help get them back on their feet, before involving government authorities who can then follow up on maintaining an acceptable standard of living for both the people and any remaining animals (ideally just their 'original' cats, that is five, which are all altered at this point).
Kalyahna - 13 Oct 2005 04:23 GMT > I agree - the people who cause this do have mental health issues. At > least in this case (contrary to most hoarding cases), the people asked > for help and want to get help for themselves and the animals. It's just > that they want to give the animals they have caused suffering for so > far to have a chance at living a normal life versus being destroyed. It sounds like you've made an excellent start with the cats you've gotten out of the home already.
> They have agreed that it would be better for the non-adoptable animals > to be euthanized than to continue living in these conditions, but in an > ideal world, they would like to place them with rescues (the local > shelter is tiny, overloaded and given the fact that it is in a very > rural setting, sees very few adoptions of cats). If you can provide transportation, check with shelters in slightly bigger cities. Speak to the executive director and try to arrange to bring in the friendliest/most adoptable cats and kittens in small groups (five or so at a time). Keep in mind that this time of year, space is still quite limited - the end of kitten season and many shelters taking in cats from the hurricanes still. Check with larger shelters to see if there are any feral rescue groups in your area that would be willing to take a few of the unsocialized cats.
> Think about it - the authorities have already been involved, and all > they did was remove animals, but took no steps to help the people. How [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > both the people and any remaining animals (ideally just their > 'original' cats, that is five, which are all altered at this point). Social services should still be involved. Perhaps especially in a rural area, the couple may be more likely to take in strays they find. Six or seven isn't much more than five, and if they add one or two like that even every few months... all it takes is an unaltered pair to start this all over again. They need SOMEone to keep on top of the conditions and the numbers.
As Sherry suggested, call your local vets. They may be willing to do low-cost spays and neuters, or they may have contacts in other cities that would be willing to do so, or that have contacts with other rescue groups or shelters or whatnot for medical attention or for rehoming.
-L. - 12 Oct 2005 18:55 GMT > Does anyone have experience dealing with a cat hoarder? You need to involve animal control. Hoarding is a mental illness. You need to also involve your county social services department.
-L.
MaryL - 13 Oct 2005 13:49 GMT ><snip> History: Animal Control was actually at the former residence of the > couple 2-3 months ago and randomly removed somewhere between 25 and 35 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Where do I turn for help, without involving Animal Control at this > point? Is there a chapter of the Humane Society or other animal welfare group in your area? Alley Cat Allies will sometimes help in situations like this. Incidentally, Animal Control really botched this *if* the couple are reporting the facts correctly. Please keep in mind that hoarders often do not report actions correctly, so the story you have been told may be only "partially" true. If it is true, however, you might even be able to get the press involved -- that will often bring quick results.
MaryL
pah41071@yahoo.com - 13 Oct 2005 15:53 GMT Our local Humane Society only provides spay/neuter assistance to low income households for a maximum of two cats, but they have promised to send these. I've requested a grant from SpayUSA because this is essentially a colony, even though not feral in the classic sense as they don't live outside, but they said they are currently out of money and it may take a few weeks before they can help. I'll try Alley Cat Allies as well, thanks for the tip. I am working with a vet who has offered to neuter for $20 and spay for $35, but I'm trying to get as much financial assistance as possible, as I'm running a little low on funding following all the medical costs I've already covered (six euths, three of which were previously hospitalized, two eye surgeries on kittens, x-rays and cast for a cat with a broken leg, not to mention the CapStar and Frontline for everyone, as well as the vaccines, Albon & Metronidazole for everyone at my house).
I know the local Animal Control Officer and have no reason to believe the couple is not telling the truth. Everyone who knows this ACO is appalled that the individual is still employed in this capacity, even after several incidents were reported to the police and the press during the past couple of years. Guess noone else wants to do the job.
I do want to involve Social Services, but I'm trying to get to a point before I do this where they won't simply walk in and condemn the house (which essentially means evicting the couple and euthanizing all cats). I have been going by their house every couple of days to check/help and they are making progress as far as cleaning up the place is concerned (I did have to coerce them into getting a container, but since it's been delivered things are moving along much better). Once there is no danger of the house being condemmed, I will involve the appropriate government agencies which can then take care of assisting the couple in the long term (which I do not have the capacity [or interest - in fact, I never want to be involved in anything like this again in my life!] to do).
Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
chas - 13 Oct 2005 16:51 GMT By not involving Social Services till YOU deem it the right time also means this couple will not get the help THEY need.
Social Services need to see conditions as they are NOW to understand the problem.
What stops this couple from doing it all over again in the future?
Lack of help and contact from Social Services has been their problem in the first place.
I assume they have no family/friends/neighbours who want to help (other than yourself)
You are doing a wonderful job here and I am not getting at you. But your reluctance to bring in Social Services is misguided. Have you considered how many OTHER people knew of these circumstances before you discovered them - but also did not want to bring in Social Services?
These people need the right professional help.
You are ONE person - presumably with a life of your own as well. Please don't make the mistake of getting emotionally involved.
chas
pah41071@yahoo.com - 20 Oct 2005 18:23 GMT Chas (and all others which were worried about not involving official authorities), Animal Control got involved yesterday - they agreed to wait till next week to come to the house and seize any remaining cats. I have an adoptathon scheduled for the weekend and the couple has asked several other local rescues to check whether they have space for a few cats each. I wasn't very successful with the news media (given that I also wanted to protect both the couples and my identity), but two channels did say they would try to talk about the adoptathon on their Saturday morning pet show. The couple has consented to agree to a charge of animal cruelty/animal neglect, and to conform with a cort order to own no more
than a number of yet to be decided altered cats for the rest of their life. They will also receive counseling. This is probably about as good
as it gets in a situation like this.
chas - 20 Oct 2005 19:59 GMT You have done a fantanstic job. Those cats were doomed to a continuing hellish existence without your intervention and hard work.
It's even better to hear that the people concerned will not be able to do this again.
Many congratulations to you for all your hard work.
chas
cybercat - 20 Oct 2005 23:09 GMT >They will also receive counseling. This is probably about as good as it >gets in a situation like this. Good job, all the way around.
MaryL - 24 Oct 2005 08:21 GMT > Chas (and all others which were worried about not involving official > authorities), [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > as it gets in a situation like this. I hadn't checked this thread for awhile, so I just saw your latest message. Congratulations! This is a fantastic achievement. Most people would have ignored the situation or just called animal control and then figured that their responsibility was "over." You took direct action and undoubtedly saved many kitties in the process. Moreover, you have probably made life more livable for the elderly couple who were involved. Cat hoarders usually have the best of intentions, but it is actually a mental illness and they don't realize what harm they do to those poor animals (usually cats or dogs, but sometimes an amazing array of animals will be found in situations such as what you described). The fact that you got them to agree to counseling is remarkable.
Thank you! MaryL
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