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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2005Home for Love-Starved Cats?
Is there some invisible sign that neighborhood cats put on your door to tell other cats "get love here?" Boots was by meowing at the door this morning, so I lavished some love on him and sent him on his way. Then, a few hours later, there was a different meow at my door. I opened it to a really sweet calico with a tag that said she was Chloe. I pleyed with her a bit--very spunky--and then she left. How did she know to park at my door and meow? Kami's annoyed by it. I've invited both cats in and she wasn't the least bit amused. Oddly, both cats are declawed, but I was impressed with Chloe. While we were hording around outside she went right up the tree. She hug with her front lags and propelled with her back. I still don't think declaws should be allowed out side.  SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Suddenly, without warning, Brandy Alexandre exclaimed (10-Oct-05 4:14 AM): > Is there some invisible sign that neighborhood cats put on your door to > tell other cats "get love here?" Boots was by meowing at the door this [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > tree. She hug with her front lags and propelled with her back. I > still don't think declaws should be allowed out side. Yea, declaws do learn. I made that mistake in my (very) younger days, and Mouse just learned that anything she wanted to rip to pieces, she just needed to grab and have at it with her hinds (or of course, simply bite!). She was 18# of pure Maine Coon muscle, so she was very good at that. I agree, it's a dangerous enough world for cats with all their defenses. jmc Brandy Alexandre wrote: > Is there some invisible sign that neighborhood cats put on your door to > tell other cats "get love here?" Boots was by meowing at the door this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Kami's annoyed by it. I've invited both cats in and she wasn't the > least bit amused. No surprise there, she knows better than you and doesn't want to catch something... like say ear mites. > Oddly, both cats are declawed, but I was impressed > with Chloe. While we were hording around outside she went right up the > tree. She hug with her front lags and propelled with her back. I > still don't think declaws should be allowed out side. So what are you going to do about that... other than come to the newsgroup to express your opinion? > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > > Is there some invisible sign that neighborhood cats put on your door to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kami's annoyed by it. I've invited both cats in and she wasn't the > > least bit amused. Cats know. They did one study was it where the cats knew when an owner was coming home, even if on a varible shift! Did not need a telephone call. This was in UK as I recall. When the cat would get up from slumbering, the guy would show in around 20 minutes. > No surprise there, she knows better than you and doesn't want to catch > something... like say ear mites. Females are very real estate possessive. The males just want an excuse to fight. > > Oddly, both cats are declawed, but I was impressed > > with Chloe. While we were hording around outside she went right up the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So what are you going to do about that... other than come to the > newsgroup to express your opinion? What do you suggest? Outlawing declawing might be a start. And the vets? Teaching people or making a mandatory course in high school - how to treat your pet to a scratching post with catnip. Put that course along others. Like don't declaw your pets, declaw your parents! treeline12345@yahoo.com <treeline12345@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> > Is there some invisible sign that neighborhood cats put on your [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > course along others. Like don't declaw your pets, declaw your > parents! He just like to be contrarian with me. I have him plonked, but I see some of his comments when others reply. Last time when I said Boots wanted love he thought I *should* let the cat in. You'll find the Joke Canuck will find something wrong with absolutely everything I post. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Brandy Alexandre wrote: > He just like to be contrarian with me. I have him plonked, but I > see some of his comments when others reply. Last time when I said > Boots wanted love he thought I *should* let the cat in. You'll find > the Joke Canuck will find something wrong with absolutely everything > I post. Some cats are like that. Their only good day is a bad day :) Brandy Alexandre wrote: > treeline12345@yahoo.com <treeline12345@yahoo.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > the Joke Canuck will find something wrong with absolutely everything > I post. It isn't my fault if there IS something wrong with everything you say. <shrug> <rolls eyes> I believe the subject of that thread which you originated was "Neighbor's Cat Annoying Me". I'd say if you are annoyed by cats... any cat, then you are in the wrong newsgroup. Apparently even your own cat annoyed you... so you had her declawed. The fact that you try to misrepresent what I did say once again goes to your credibility... or rather the complete lack of. BTW, below is what I really did say. Notice anything about inviting the cat inside? No. > Path: local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:21:45 -0500 [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Yes, stop shutting the door in his face. Easy huh? :) > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > > Path: local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mai l > > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:21:45 -0500 > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:21:44 -0400 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.167.96 > > X-Trace: sv3-uIfYYeYhp2EFCiNIhVw/BdzggIeuO3KVdz+J5Cw59G6AMCi+A6JJJeVuGnIfm7DqBBTWaYvDhOX1EIH!ylFGpgJvkoPsp2STNKyuddhFJqpQGxN7dpujC2r6wTtxW53zPuIRIBz SGgUkfrSe6jl4d2rw > > X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca > > X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > never annoyed by them. We tolerate their quirks with a smile and > > thoroughly enjoy their company... even at 6 am in the morning. This is just patently ridiculous. *This* is the basis for your opinion? That somebody does not gleefully welcome the presence of a pushy and loud cat in the wee hours of the morning? I'm an animal lover too but to say that somehow somebody's love is questionable because they aren't on-call 24x7 whenever a stray comes around howling is a stretch. I have 2 cats, one of which annoyed the living hell out of me the first year we were together. I mean you had to be there. But I love the little guy with my whole being, he's mine for life, I would die if anything happened to him, I'd not trade him for 1 second (though for a while I did entertain the idea of making an oven mitt out of his annoying little a.s.) I love him more every day even though just today he threw up all over a stack of undeposited checks, tossed litter all over a freshly cleaned floor after a ripping good BM and woke me up at 4:30 by jumping with all his weight on my chest. Was I annoyed? You better believe it. What did I do about it? I went back to bed grumpy, swearing and recalling the oven-mitt idea after flicking him off my bed like a tiddly-wink (which he seemed to interpret as an invitation to play.) He still loves me and I still love him. We tolerate each other and I'm sure I annoy him too from time to time. Lots and lots of people post to this group with every manner of cat stpry you can think of. I don;t see you jumping down their throats, so why just pick on a selcted target? Paul >>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > > This is just patently ridiculous. Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? Isn't life far too short to spend even a tiny portion of it annoyed? I think so. > *This* is the basis for your opinion? It is? Where did I say that? > That somebody does not gleefully welcome the presence of a pushy and loud > cat in the wee hours of the morning? I'm an animal lover too but to say [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Paul One doesn't sleep well grumpy. :) I'd say life is too short to spend even a small portion of it annoyed. > I'd say life is too short to spend even a small portion of it annoyed. Then you picked a strange place to hang out. Paul >>I'd say life is too short to spend even a small portion of it annoyed. > > Then you picked a strange place to hang out. > > Paul I enjoy Usenet and never get annoyed. You see, I don't take much of what goes on here seriously and keep my sense of humour near the surface. :) Paul M. Cook <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> I'd say life is too short to spend even a small portion of it >> annoyed. > > Then you picked a strange place to hang out. > > Paul Weird. He seems to go out of his way to be annoyed by me. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? I'd guess you're in the .0001% of pet-owners that are *never* annoyed by your pets. > Isn't life far too short to spend even a tiny portion of it annoyed? > > I think so. OK, I want lessons from you on how to spend my entire life never getting annoyed by anything, 'cos you must be a Zen master of the highest order, Buddha, on some *amazing* drugs, or something else because life just ain't like that for about 99.9999% of the population. Our cats annoy us on an almost daily basis, and I'd venture to say that nobody else that reads this newsgroup has *never* been annoyed by their pets. brian SignatureIf you want to reply to this message by mail, you will have to change the reply address to beuchaw@beuchaw.net >>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > brian Being annoyed is a choice, I choose not to be... you can too. > Being annoyed is a choice, I choose not to be... you can too. You're a better person than about 99% of the population - I congratulate you. And I still want some of whatever drug you're on. :-) brian SignatureIf you want to reply to this message by mail, you will have to change the reply address to beuchaw@beuchaw.net > > Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > nobody else that reads this newsgroup has *never* been annoyed by their > pets. I'm sorry if this offends touchy people, but I have to agree. Jasmine is *annoying* me right now. Cats do it deliberately, in order to get what they want. So do children. She's annoying me because she's pregnant, I've changed her food, bought the wrong flavour too, and I won't let her outside to kill the birds (she's an ex-stray and still not reconciled to inside life). I know she was doing it on purpose because when I didn't give in to her, she's gone off to have a nap...but cats practise being annoying...and aloof and scary and cute and lovable. That's why we love them!! We don't not love them if they annoy us by jumping on us at 3am, claws out. We still love them, that's why we roll over, get out of bed and feed them. Lighten up, this is just a newsgroup. > brian >>>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >>brian I don't think cats practise being annoying, they just exist and go about their kitty business. Our emotions are choices. No one forces an emotion on anyone else. One makes a choice to be in a certain mood. > >>>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I don't think cats practise being annoying, they just exist and go about > their kitty business. True! they're not deliberately being annoying, it just looks that way! they're just being cats, I suppose > Our emotions are choices. No one forces an emotion on anyone else. One > makes a choice to be in a certain mood. Yes, but in some situations, most people find it difficult to even think about whether they can make a choice to be annoyed or not. It's only human to be sometimes overtaken by emotion...it's very hard to constantly choose not to be annoyed, I personally found it easier to stay calm when I was single and unworried by money. When you have children, animals or partners it gets more difficult, and harder to 'choose' not to feel annoyed...I agree with taking responsibilty for emotions, but be sympathetic to those who are still learning the skill of self-actualization. > I don't think cats practise being annoying, they just exist and go about > their kitty business. > > Our emotions are choices. No one forces an emotion on anyone else. One > makes a choice to be in a certain mood. Unless one has a victim mentality. There's an epidemic of that going around, Joe. > >>>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Our emotions are choices. No one forces an emotion on anyone else. One > makes a choice to be in a certain mood. The only person I see having a conniption fit here is yourself. I believe you are engaging in what is known as projection. Paul >>>>>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Paul Take a closer look. :) "Paul M. Cook" <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote : > > I don't think cats practise being annoying, they just exist and go about > > their kitty business. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The only person I see having a conniption fit here is yourself. I believe > you are engaging in what is known as projection. Do elaborate, Doctor. What I like is how Brandy summoned all her nerve and declared that she does not agree that cats who are declawed should be allowed to roam outside. cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > "Paul M. Cook" <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote : >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > she does not agree that cats who are declawed should be allowed > to roam outside. Thanks. You'll also note that I acknowledged a cat who appeared to survive outside as a declaw by climbing a tree. But I still would never personally take the risk. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > survive outside as a declaw by climbing a tree. But I still would > never personally take the risk. LMAO!! high five, Joe ... ;) > "Paul M. Cook" <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote : > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do elaborate, Doctor. How does the saying go? I don't have to be an ichtyologist to know a fish stinks. Paul > "Paul M. Cook" <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > she does not agree that cats who are declawed should be allowed > to roam outside. Cats should not be declawed in the first place. Brandy doesn't have quite enough nerve to suggest that yet. :) I prefer to deal with the root issue, in this case declawing, rather than dealing with the aftermath. > > "Paul M. Cook" <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote : > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Cats should not be declawed in the first place. Brandy doesn't have > quite enough nerve to suggest that yet. :) You appear to have gotten the point that only Brandy could miss. When she came out with her "courageous statement" I would have laughed at how asinine she is, but it is just not funny for anyone who has a cat to be this wrong-headed. > I prefer to deal with the root issue, in this case declawing, rather > than dealing with the aftermath. Makes sense to me. Why anyone who would declaw an animal and never--even years later--express any regret--would want to frequent a group where most people actually love and would not harm their cats for their convenience is beyond me. But you know, for pleasantry's sake we are supposed to just get OVER this already. The statute of limitation on the crime, for some, has been reached. Bleah. cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > But you know, for pleasantry's sake we are supposed to just > get OVER this already. The statute of limitation on the crime, for > some, has been reached. Bleah. Usenet trolls do not observe statutes of limitation. You should have noticed that by now. When they cannot come up with anything else yet still have the compulsion to flame, they dig down deep and pull out stuff decades old and try to put new spin on it. Like Phil's belief that I ever did cocaine as part of my former career. Not only is that career LONG over with, I never did the drug before, during or after. Whatever. It's pathetic. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that I ever did cocaine as part of my former career. Not only is that > career LONG over with, I never did the drug before, during or after. I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with the fact that you declawed your cat and have never even had any remorse over it? > Whatever. It's pathetic. It is indeed. As pathetic as the hackneyed habit of calling anyone who disagrees with you a "troll." I don't think any part of your past really matters to Phil or Joe, except the part where you declawed your cat for your own convenience. It bothers me too--and I also declawed a cat--but at least I expressed regret once I realized what I had done. You have no regrets and have said so over and over again. Are you surprised that his bothers people who really like cats? cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > It is indeed. As pathetic as the hackneyed habit of calling anyone > who disagrees with you a "troll." I don't think any part of your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > over and over again. Are you surprised that his bothers people who > really like cats? If they didn't think it mattered they wouldn't repeatedly make it part of their arguments as if it somehow gave them more validation. I've said all I'm going to say about Kami's declawing and if you didn't follow and want to believe whatever the flamers say, be my guest. The mature and level-headed people of this newsgroup are longer past it. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I've said all I'm going to say about Kami's declawing and if you didn't > follow and want to believe whatever the flamers say, be my guest. So the fact is, you have no regrets and would do it again. And there lies the problem some of us have with you. The > mature and level-headed people of this newsgroup are longer past it. Perhaps. But Kami is not past it, and the fact is, you would do it again. > cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If they didn't think it mattered they wouldn't repeatedly make it part > of their arguments as if it somehow gave them more validation. Declawing your cat and your 'career' were interrelated- that's why I mention your 'career'. You said you declawed your cat because the director or producer or makeup artist- I forgot which- complained about scratches and bite marks on your body. You also said you declawed your cat because she is biter- a behavior that you encouraged. Only a moron would think declawing cures biting. Declawing only exacerbates the biting behavior- as you quickly learned at the cost of your cat's flesh, blood and bones. Besides- what are you complaining about? I've probably helped you sell a few more videos by bringing up your career. I'm sure some people would like to see the a.shole (literally) behind the name. > I've said all I'm going to say about Kami's declawing That's the problem- you didn't say enough. You expressed no remorse or guilt. In fact I think you said something along the lines of 'she gets to live or keep her home' - not sure which- maybe both- and you get to keep your skin. The > mature and level-headed people of this newsgroup are longer past it. Because other people don't flame you for your selfish, abusive and cruel treatment of your cat doesn't mean they're long past it. Many people probably feel its useless to flame you because you're morally bankrupt and you would actually enjoy the attention. Brandy Alexandre wrote: > cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > follow and want to believe whatever the flamers say, be my guest. The > mature and level-headed people of this newsgroup are longer past it. It would be very mature and level-headed of you if you could get past the fact that not everyone is going to like you. You protest a little too much when that happens. Brandy Alexandre wrote: > that I ever did cocaine as part of my former career. Not only is that > career LONG over with, I never did the drug before, during or after. Now that is something else that just doesn't ring true with me, you claiming that your "career" is "LONG" over. If it is, and you just want to get about with your business, why do you persist in using your trademarked "stage" name on Usenet? Wouldn't it be so much easier to use some other screen name and just get one with your life? I really think you are stuck in the past, and struck on yourself and the dubious "celebrity" you may have once enjoyed. Like Phil's belief > that I ever did cocaine as part of my former career. What a crock of sh.t! I heard you couldn't 'act' unless you were high. When the director said 'take 5", you snorted 5 lines and thought it was cool to use a $100 bill for a straw. Not only is that > career LONG over with, I never did the drug before, during or after. Suuure. You just didn't inhale, right? If you really don't do coke anymore- its probably only because you can't afford it anymore- maybe that's why you're trying hustle your old videos in other newsgroups. Actually, I couldn't care less about your 'career' or cocaine habit for your sake- but you declawed your cat to enhance or 'save' your career, and you'd probably be a better owner if you had a stroke from cocaine- but your cat's behavioral problems are *probably* a *direct* result of living with a psychotic coke freak. She probably attacks you because she never knows what to expect from you. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you whacked or kicked her around for scratching or biting you whenever you were stoned. You canceled *all* your posts in "Re: Brandy Alexandre Is NOYB" and "Re: Declawing and Apartments" and many others and many in the gossip groups. Smart move. > Our emotions are choices. No one forces an emotion on anyone else. One > makes a choice to be in a certain mood. I don't really agree with that. Sure, no one forces an emotion on anyone else. But by the same token, we can NOT always help how we feel. For example, it was REALLY hard for me to NOT feel scared, sad, angry, annoyed and depressed when I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer at age 32. Fortunately for me, it is curable, but do you see my point? Pam > For > example, it was REALLY hard for me to NOT feel scared, sad, angry, > annoyed and depressed when I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer at age > 32. Fortunately for me, it is curable, but do you see my point? Absolutely. People can't always choose their emotions. That's why depression can be so tough. It can be a real struggle to fight it, and it's definitely not a choice. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > brian Dudley annoys me all the time and anyone who has been reading about him over the past year knows how much I adore him. :) I think the annoyance makes me love him more. LOL pam > >>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > LOL > pam I think Joe has never gotten over the fact that Brandy declawed Kami and has never expressed any regret over it. I think maybe he suspects that she may not love cats the way some people do, and that they might therefore annoy her more than others. I also take his point about choosing how you will feel, when you CAN. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. I think it is fair to say that hose of us who are true weenies for cats tend not to get very annoyed at times when those who like them less might. For example, butt prints on my white linen chair seats just made me wonder, "Hmm, I wonder which butt made that?" > > >>Really? Am I alone in *never* being annoyed by my pets? > > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > For example, butt prints on my white linen chair seats just made me > wonder, "Hmm, I wonder which butt made that?" OK, good then. But the point was made that for somebody who claims to be above things like feeling annoyed, he sure comes across as a pretty annoyed person. Worth pointing out, yes? Paul > > I think it is fair to say that hose of us who are true weenies for cats > tend [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > above things like feeling annoyed, he sure comes across as a pretty annoyed > person. Worth pointing out, yes? Joe's original statement was that he does not get annoyed at his CATS. That is a very different thing. > > > I think it is fair to say that hose of us who are true weenies for cats > > tend [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Joe's original statement was that he does not get annoyed at his CATS. That > is a very different thing. I'd like to hear their opinion. Paul "Paul M. Cook" <pmBERMUDA_SHORTScook@gte.net> wrote in > > Joe's original statement was that he does not get annoyed at his CATS. > That is a very different thing. > > I'd like to hear their opinion. Heh. Me too. Kitkat <kitkatluna@aol.commie> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Dudley annoys me all the time and anyone who has been reading > about him over the past year knows how much I adore him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > LOL > pam LOL! Kami "annoys" me like a kid. You don't hate your kids for it, and you don't hate your cats. She wanted to be pet and tapped me on the leg. So I stroked her for a few minutes and stopped (I was doing a crossword and needed that hand). She tapped again, I petted, tap, pet, tap, pet. Then I started ignoring it. Tap... tap... tap... tap... bite! Hey! I picked her up and set her on the other side of me with the free hand. Kids! SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Brandy Alexandre wrote: > Kitkat <kitkatluna@aol.commie> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > bite! Hey! I picked her up and set her on the other side of me with > the free hand. Kids! The quote below from the archives displays *exactly* how you feel about kids: > Brandy Alexandre May 22 1997, 3:00 am hide options > Newsgroups: misc.writing [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > and complain. It is to reduce spam. > *** Archive URL for the above: http://groups.google.ca/group/misc.writing/msg/2e8332bf7f03f63e?hl=en& I don't imagine you have much patience with cats either... as you have displayed in this group. instead of criticizing brandy, why don't you tolerate her as being different from you, and if you feel her way of doing things is wrong, educate her, but gently. gentle encouragement in the right direction works way better than flaming someone, and dragging up past posts to apparently show everyone else what a bad person she is. Oh My God!! She Hates Children!! Well, she obviously shouldn't have a cat then. FYI, I as well as many other mothers, don't like children much either...however we like people, and that's what children are. Unfortunately if they aren't given the right stimuli, structure and discipline, as many parents don't these days, they do turn into horrible demanding little monsters. And you can't blame someone like brandy for being turned off by people's badly behaved mini-me's. As for being annoyed by her cat, let he who's without sin cast the first stone....oh that's right, you're perfect aren't you. well go and start a little mutual admiration group in the corner with your cat, who obviously has more patience than the rest of us. constant nit picking makes for irritated posters, joe. give us all a break. SignatureThere are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by cats. Anonymous One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > I don't imagine you have much patience with cats either... as you have > displayed in this group. > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > be at least ten years before our introduction, and even then I can't be sure > > I'll be safe. So what, Joe. I can never see myself with yard apes either. Does that make me a bad person? Paul >>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > Paul Both you and "meee" missed the point. I'll connect the dots for you both: -Brandy claims that "Kami "annoys" me like a kid.". -The quoted post shows just *how* annoying she finds kids. I gather the both of you see nothing wrong with a cat living in such an environment, one that has already been abused through declawing at the age of 7 years old... and who knows what else. Yes, I don't like the side of Brandy I see in here and I will stand by my convictions. Get over it. :) > Both you and "meee" missed the point. I'll connect the dots for you both: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Get over it. :) Careful, there, Joe. We've seen what happens when someone insists on advancing bulletproof arguments and their right to the free expression of their opinions. Harassment by committee by those less intellectually and expressively endowed. :) Meanwhile, it has been said that the character of those whom we choose to defend may be the best measure of our own character. What do you think, Paul? You've been around a long time, but sure don't speak up very often. >>Both you and "meee" missed the point. I'll connect the dots for you both: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > You've been around a long time, but sure don't speak up very > often. Hmm, some tell me I speak up too often and am far too particular. In any case, I'm fairly occupied as of the last couple of years with my own transformation... and no, I was not formerly in the porno business. :) Anyways, enough of this and cluttering up the group. > Hmm, some tell me I speak up too often and am far too particular. In any > case, I'm fairly occupied as of the last couple of years with my own > transformation... and no, I was not formerly in the porno business. :) Uh, that comment was directed at Paul, who is defending Brandy: > > Meanwhile, it has been said that the character of those whom we choose to > > defend may be the best measure of our own character. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You've been around a long time, but sure don't speak up very > > often. See? >>Hmm, some tell me I speak up too often and am far too particular. In any >>case, I'm fairly occupied as of the last couple of years with my own [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > See? Ok. Aside from Joe, Paul is also one of my real names... so I tend to take notice when it is mentioned. :) > > Both you and "meee" missed the point. I'll connect the dots for you both: > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > What do you think, Paul? I've never heard that said at all. Quite the reverse actually. I don't defend people on a newsgourp because I do not know them as people. I defend a sense of right and wrong. Now here is something you may wish to consider; be careful in how you judge others because in so doing you reveal your true nature. > You've been around a long time, but sure don't speak up very > often. True. My cats have been doing quite well. But I do read the group almost every day. Paul > >>Brandy Alexandre wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > -Brandy claims that "Kami "annoys" me like a kid.". > -The quoted post shows just *how* annoying she finds kids. Well I know lots of people who find kids annoying and then to make the relatives happy or to show off or for whatever selfish reason go and have them. And the kids suffer terribly for it. Not liking kids does not equate to wanting to harm kids. Not having them when you know better is not selfish it is wise. > I gather the both of you see nothing wrong with a cat living in such an > environment, one that has already been abused through declawing at the > age of 7 years old... and who knows what else. Her cat doesn't sound abused. In fact she seems like your basic pampered Siamese princess who has her person wrapped around her little finger. > Yes, I don't like the side of Brandy I see in here and I will stand by > my convictions. > Get over it. :) Nothing to get over. I just find fault in attacks like this and so I point them out. Paul >>>>Brandy Alexandre wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 140 lines] > > Paul That makes you part of the Brandy Alexandre fan club. I'm cool with that. :) > > Nothing to get over. I just find fault in attacks like this and so I point > > them out. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm cool with that. :) Me too. It takes all kinds to make the world go round. :) I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I do however feel that jumping on every little comment and trying to put people down to everyone else here isn't fair. As I was taking her on face value, and giving her the beneift of the doubt, I felt that picking on one little thing she said, that had no implications of a lack of care to her cat, was a bit off. But now you've mentioned she declawed her cat seven years ago I will hate her forever and ever and send a virus to her email address right now. Happy?? SignatureThere are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by cats. Anonymous One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway > I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I do > however feel that jumping on every little comment and trying to put people [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > will hate her forever and ever and send a virus to her email address right > now. Happy?? Perhaps you need to re-read all posts? "She declawed her cat seven years ago" is not what I said. I said she had her cat declawed when she was ~7 years old. Big difference in meaning. ...and no, I don't advocate sending a virus or other nasties through email. > > I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I do > > however feel that jumping on every little comment and trying to put people [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ...and no, I don't advocate sending a virus or other nasties through email. I was being sarcastic Joe...geez does nobody in this group understand sarcasm? It's a common form of humour used in australia and the UK where you make a ridiculous statement as if it is your opinion, but indicating either by the ridiculousness of the statement or your tone of voice that you are poking fun of the statement or action described by the statement....geez don't you know what a joke is?as i said before, lighten up!! maybe brandy got misinformed that declawing is good for cats (there are some people out there who believe it, and they can be as convincing as you are!!!) I'm not saying she's right, I'm saying educate her, but gently....yelling at people never works, in fact it makes them do what you're yelling at them not to do just to piss you off. but gently persuading works wonders...ie. the stick and carrot?? >>>I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > just to piss you off. but gently persuading works wonders...ie. the stick > and carrot?? OK, I WILL TRY YELLING... BUT I DOUBT IT WILL DO MUCH GOOD. DON'T YOU KNOW? PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE YELLED AT! IT IS CONSIDERED VERY IMPOLITE. > >>>I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I > > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > DON'T YOU KNOW? PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE YELLED AT! IT IS CONSIDERED VERY > IMPOLITE. hello Joe, is anyone awake in there? I never told you to yell at her. read my post again, i was using an example, saying yelling didn't work (what you just repeated) but gentle persuasion might? now I know you weren't 'yelling' as you are now, but you weren't being very gentle either. >>>>>I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I >>> [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > just repeated) but gentle persuasion might? now I know you weren't 'yelling' > as you are now, but you weren't being very gentle either. I was trying out some of that good old Australian sarcasm. :) > >>>>>I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing up. I > >>> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > I was trying out some of that good old Australian sarcasm. :) Good effort!! Feels good doesn't it? and if you have a dumb protagonist they may not even realise you're insulting them!! :^> > maybe brandy > got misinformed that declawing is good for cats (there are some people out > there who believe it, and they can be as convincing as you are!!!) I didn't have a clue that declawing was so bad until I found my way to this newgroup, and Megan educated me. Despite having grown up around cats and always having had cats (cats in the family probably go back to ancient times), I'd never known anyone who actually had one declawed. But I'd heard of it and thought they just removed the claw from the paws. I had no idea. Actually, growing up we had barn cats and they lived on mice and squirts from cow teets (a great source of joy for the cats, and for me). They weren't vaccinated and they weren't neutered. We had vets around for the farm animals, but no vet ever suggested spaying/neutering the cats or dogs and they just kept reproducing. It's bizarre when I think back to it, but that was farm life. We also ended up the recipient of many dogs and cats that were dumped by city folks tired of the hassle. I hate them all. (the people, not the pets...we adopted the abandoned pets or gave them to others) And on top of it, for god's sake, we raised cocker spaniels and sold them to the city people. I miss farm life. SignatureTo email (remove annoying hyphens) j-u-l-i at e-c-t-dot-o-r-g meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I don't know much about Brandy or her past that you keep bringing > up. I do however feel that jumping on every little comment and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hate her forever and ever and send a virus to her email address > right now. Happy?? LOL! He doesn't even have his facts straight. Before you send me that mean old virus, make sure you have the level of hatred appropriate to the facts. ;) SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > mean old virus, make sure you have the level of hatred appropriate to > the facts. ;) Don't worry....reading his posts stimulates a level of hatred well capable of sending viruses...if i actually knew how to do it ROTFLMAO!!!! geez, HELLO PEOPLE!! Sarcasm any one? > As I was taking her on face value, Was that pun intentional? ;-) > and giving her the beneift of the doubt, I felt that picking on one little > thing she said, that had no implications of a lack of care to her cat, was a > bit off. But now you've mentioned she declawed her cat seven years ago No. She declawed a seven year old cat because the cat has a biting problem that she encouraged. Her reason for declawing was her cat was a *biter* and make-up artists complained about the marks. She has plenty of time to play in gossip newsgroups- but no time to research declawing (or feline asthma). Otherwise she would have known that declawing *increases* biting behavior in cats that were biters before being declawed and also induces the biting behavior in some cats that were not previous biters. > > As I was taking her on face value, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and also induces the biting behavior in some cats that were not previous > biters. Right. well if brandy is the delinquent that you say she is, in my experience delinquents respond better to gentle stimulation in the right direction, education about their choices, and encouragement to make those choices? and as i am unaware (and don't really give a stuff) about her drug habits or past life, not having a clue what anyone is talking about here, i am drawing the conclusion that brandy is an ex-porn star who is off her face on coke, got her cat declawed as she was too much of a blonde bimbo to think about it first, and probably forgets to feed her cat bacuse she's too high. I still feel that you would have more opportunity to educate her more about her cat and how to look after it if you 'informed' her of the facts instead of yelling at her for every silly little thing she might say....for instance mentioning her cat's behaviour irritates her on occasion, and she doesn't enjoy the company of other people's children.> i > am drawing the conclusion that brandy is an ex-porn star who is off her face > on coke, got her cat declawed as she was too much of a blonde bimbo to think > about it first, and probably forgets to feed her cat bacuse she's too high. That about sums it up. When you've dealt with adoptions for as long as I did, you develop a 6th sense about how people treat animals by the things they say. > I still feel that you would have more opportunity to educate her She doesn't want to be educated about cats. She doesn't think she does anything wrong. instead > of yelling at her for every silly little thing she might say....for instance > mentioning her cat's behaviour irritates her on occasion, and she doesn't > enjoy the company of other people's children.> What are you talking about? I did no such thing. I don't like her because of what she did to her cat and feels no remorse about it. sorry i wasn't referring to you, phil p. i originally disagreed with joe canuck for abusing her for saying her cat was annoying her that day...he could have found much better things to complain about than that. it may be a silly comment, but i didn't think it warranted the amount of telling off it recieved. I was then accused of being a brandy alexandre fan and treating cats badly, and not knowing anything about brandy except for feeling sorry for her being picked on i stuck up for her. probably misguided, but that's me. and i respect your opinion but reserve the right to disagree with joe's approach to people on occasion! SignatureThere are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by cats. Anonymous One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway > i > > am drawing the conclusion that brandy is an ex-porn star who is off her [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > What are you talking about? I did no such thing. I don't like her because > of what she did to her cat and feels no remorse about it. meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Right. well if brandy is the delinquent that you say she is, in my > experience delinquents respond better to gentle stimulation in the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cat's behaviour irritates her on occasion, and she doesn't enjoy > the company of other people's children.> Again, problems with facts. Kami was actually three, the year was 1991, and I had been semi-retired from the porn biz, in fact did only one movie that year that I wrote and directed. So Phil/Joe say they "heard somewhere" about drug abuse. They are going to have to name their sources because it's a heap of libel. Yes, it's not libel if it's true, but it is not true and if they are the "betters" they think they are, they'll fess up to it. But, yes, I retired permanently from porn in 1992, again, after doing just one movie that I wrote and directed. Both movies were big hits, as far as porn goes, and I'd like to see how they explain how someone with an alleged drug-adled brain could pull off such a feat without a support crew (too cheap to pay them, like to do everything myself). SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? well, brandy I have no problem with you, allthough I disagree with declawing cats and am not exactly a fan of the porn business, who you are now is what counts, and if you are here to talk about cats and ask people's advice on cat topics, then people should give you the advice you need. I am not a fan of nit-picking and holding someone's past against them. especially if they regret their mistakes and try to make up for them as I am sure you are doing. From Phil's side, working in the area he does makes him more senstive to such things, but he is always ready to help anyone who asks for advice sincerely. As for Joe, nobody's perfect, but some people think they are. SignatureThere are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by cats. Anonymous One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway > meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > with an alleged drug-adled brain could pull off such a feat without a > support crew (too cheap to pay them, like to do everything myself). meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > well, brandy I have no problem with you, allthough I disagree with > declawing cats and am not exactly a fan of the porn business, who [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > senstive to such things, but he is always ready to help anyone who > asks for advice sincerely. Well, then, you know why I'm here. Regardless of her staus of claws or no claws, she's a CRF kitty and I come here for information and support of that issue alone. There is absolutely no correlation btween declawing and CRF, so why it is inserted into the discussion by these warped individuals is beyond my ken. As for Phil, he has repeatedly demonstrated hiself to be an unstable individual, so I have no faith in any of his assertions, and I believe nor should anyone else. n He doesn't work anywhere near any area of expertise in veterinaty medicine, and allegedly admits it. So everything he says must be confirmed prior to following. My past has zero bearing on the present. The use of such is simply a demonstration of inferioty. Used by those afraid that they might not be taken seriously. Ironically, the use of such method only confirms the fact of interiority. Those are the ones who are permanently plonked. Should they show up in any thread consequently, they have then proved themselves as INFERIORS by having altered their identitiy simply to be seen. Weird, eh? SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Hey Brandy, all this aside, do you have a Siamese? I am getting one soon, and at pain of being flamed by all the do-gooders, I am getting him from a breeder (gasp) who (wait for it) breeds cats for the purpose of selling them. She is coming to meet me in a week or two, to discuss the kitten with me, and make sure I am not a cat collector with psychotic tendencies who will eat her cat for dinner, after allowing it to run free and breed/distribute pests and mayhem indiscriminately. What are their personalities like...I have heard they are good conversationalists; do they get on well with dogs? Jasmine (my rescued stray- see, I'm not all bad) is veryrelaxed about dogs, so hopefully that will rub off on the kitten. Are they touchy-feely or independent? Jas is very cuddly, so it won't matter either way (she's sitting n my lap now editing...hence the bad typing) meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Hey Brandy, all this aside, do you have a Siamese? I am getting > one soon, and at pain of being flamed by all the do-gooders, I am [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > so it won't matter either way (she's sitting n my lap now > editing...hence the bad typing) Oh my god, how could you! LOL! Kami is a mix, but I think her personality is 100% Siamese. They are a bit needy, yet aren't big cuddlers. They want to be with you, within sight or touching distance. Talk non-stop, you can have great conversations with them. Kami knows vocal inflection and can do disgust, annoyed, whiny, and others well enough that I know exactly what she's talking about. The only dog experience we had was that she chased a friend's mid-size dog into the bathroom and wouldn't let him out. Parked sphinx-style and glowered at him the whole time. Enjoy the new kitty! Those blue eyes will burn straight to your heart. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Enjoy the new kitty! Those blue eyes will burn straight to your heart. she sounds lovely!!! LOL about the dog! My jasmine is moggy but i'm suspicious she's part oriental. she acts exactly like that, and has no fear of dogs and terrorizes my terrier. she has yellow eyes, but a very fine boned face, and although her voice isn't very loud, she talks to me...dh thinks i'm mad talking to a cat. > she sounds lovely!!! LOL about the dog! My jasmine is moggy but i'm > suspicious she's part oriental. she acts exactly like that, and has no fear > of dogs and terrorizes my terrier. she has yellow eyes, but a very fine > boned face, and although her voice isn't very loud, she talks to me...dh > thinks i'm mad talking to a cat. I recently adopted a little kitty and named her Jasmine! And I think she's got some Siamese in her. She's all white and very busy. She doesn't make much noise, either (other than when she's crashing into things and knocking them down), but I think it's because she's deaf. She just kind of makes little squeaks, usually when I've got ahold of her and she wants down because she's got things to do. SignatureTo email (remove annoying hyphens) j-u-l-i at e-c-t-dot-o-r-g > > she sounds lovely!!! LOL about the dog! My jasmine is moggy but i'm > > suspicious she's part oriental. she acts exactly like that, and has no fear [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > deaf. She just kind of makes little squeaks, usually when I've got > ahold of her and she wants down because she's got things to do. Yes I saw your posts about Jack and Jasmine....she is so gorgeous, jasmine looks very similar to her, very fine boned and smallish, except with orange sploges and amber coloures eyes. we had a blue eyed white cat when i was very small, she was also deaf, never meowed or anything, and after she ran away my dad never got another cat. He later moved and doesn't want one now because he doesn't like them killing the birds, but when my sisters are all out of the house and he can keep it inside i might get him another....life without cats isn't life!!! do you have any more photos of jasmine? i'd love to see how she looks now. are she and jack smurgling yet?? > Yes I saw your posts about Jack and Jasmine....she is so gorgeous, jasmine > looks very similar to her, very fine boned and smallish, except with orange [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > out of the house and he can keep it inside i might get him another....life > without cats isn't life!!! No truer statement! do you have any more photos of jasmine? i'd love > to see how she looks now. are she and jack smurgling yet?? Haha, of course I have more pictures! http://photobucket.com/albums/a384/jackjazz/ Latest ones are on page 2, and they're snuggling all the time (when not playing). I bought a cheap cat tree at Wal Mart (35 bucks), and had been warned they were made of cardboard. I wanted to buy a cheap one and see if there was any interest. THERE IS. Unfortunately, the place I wanted to put it has tile ceilings, and with that spring-loaded thing that pushes against the tiles, it's no good. I've got it temporarily in the kitchen, where there's plaster ceiling, but it's not good. First of all, having a cat tree in the middle of the kitchen is a bit in the way. Second, she uses it as a launching pad to land on the stove and counters. So it's going to have to come down and go back to Wal Mart. (It's also pretty flimsy...okay for a small cat, but I think Jack's 17 pounds would kill it...and he seems to know it, hasn't tried it at all, and I KNOW he likes to climb and go high!) I'm going to have to build one from scratch, I'm afraid, and figure a way to mount it to the wall. I'm also considering one from this place...they look great, but are kind of expensive: http://www.kittykornercatfurniture.com/Cat_Furniture.html After so many years of boy cats, having a girlie cat is interesting! She only eats when she's actually hungry. I'm used to boy cats who would eat 24/7 if I'd feed them. And she's not picky!!! She's also developing a little, squeaky mrrrp. I love it! SignatureTo email (remove annoying hyphens) j-u-l-i at e-c-t-dot-o-r-g > Latest ones are on page 2, and they're snuggling all the time (when not > playing). They look so happy together! I'm so glad for Jack (and Jasmine of course). I seem to remember you were going to have her deafness checked out what was the result? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Lesley <LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Latest ones are on page 2, and they're snuggling all the time >> (when not playing). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I don't consider myself a slave, per se, but indentured servitude comes to mind. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > > Latest ones are on page 2, and they're snuggling all the time (when not > > playing). > > > They look so happy together! I'm so glad for Jack (and Jasmine of > course). I seem to remember you were going to have her deafness checked > out what was the result? I did take her to my vet, and she said Jasmine's ears were very clean. But deaf, and she said most likely she was born that way, that it's more common in all-white cats. Her being deaf has turned out to be such a non-issue. The only problem is when she's where she shouldn't be, I can't yell no from across the room, and she's very good about making sure her back is to me so I can't use the hand signal. She's definitely developing some mrrrps and chatter. Not often, but it's cute when she does. Very high pitched and soft. Jack is just crazy about her and now he's licking her back. (She was licking him a lot, and he enjoyed it, but hadn't licked her back until the last few days) He is totally back to being the happy boy he was, and I'm so glad. And she's just a doll....crazy kitten, but so sweet. At night, now, she always gets in bed and curls up next to me. Usually has to play "Get your eye" for awhile, but then settles down and goes to sleep. But the most wonderful thing happened this morning! I woke up to find both of them on the bed, one on each side of me, staring, waiting for me to get up and give them some breakfast. That was what Dmitri and Jack did most mornings, staring at me as I woke up. Jack hadn't done it since Dmitri died, but somehow he taught the trick to Jasmine. (Or else Dmitri guided her and told Jack to resume the stunt because it made me laugh!) It was glorious! SignatureTo email (remove annoying hyphens) j-u-l-i at e-c-t-dot-o-r-g > Hey Brandy, all this aside, do you have a Siamese? I am getting one soon, > and at pain of being flamed by all the do-gooders, I am getting him from a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they touchy-feely or independent? Jas is very cuddly, so it won't matter > either way (she's sitting n my lap now editing...hence the bad typing) I had a purebred Siamese for a period of time many years ago. -Very intelligent, affectionate and active. -They like being on you and around you. -They have very distinctive and loud voices. -They absolutely dislike being caged... even for short trips to the vet. -Fiesty and emotional, they can and will get into trouble and go places you never expected. -They don't like being left alone. Of course, personalities are individual and breed characteristics don't always all follow each personality. > > Hey Brandy, all this aside, do you have a Siamese? I am getting one soon, > > and at pain of being flamed by all the do-gooders, I am getting him from a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Of course, personalities are individual and breed characteristics don't > always all follow each personality. sounds exactly like what i like in a cat...i'm not into 'cushion cats' although no offense to people who are....i like cats with personality who interact with us as a family, and belong to the family. My husband and i are hoping to work from home very soon, starting with me asap. I'm a stay at home mum now, and my hubby wants to be a stay at home dad, so between us and 2 kids the cats will have plenty of admirers!! and I am partial to a cat you can converse with...i also have two boys, so trouble is a natural and accepted part of life...i'm hoping the siamese can surprise me! two boys, two dogs, jasmine and a siamese is going to be fun!!! <snip> Don't worry, meee.... I won't get you into any more trouble! IBen Getiner > <snip> > > Don't worry, meee.... I won't get you into any more trouble! > > IBen Getiner whew! cos I'm doing well enough on that side on my own thanks...;^) Brandy Alexandre wrote: > meee <efamaaea@bigpond.net.au> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > declawing and CRF, so why it is inserted into the discussion by these > warped individuals is beyond my ken. Unfortunately, there is a lot beyond your ken and you don't appear willing to learn... at least your online personna in here gives that distinctive impression with some of your posts. I'll make an attempt... The effects of stress with respect to CRF are unknown. It has been suggested stress in felines can impede blood flow to the kidneys which isn't a good thing. Perhaps Phil can comment further on that. One thing I am certain of is that declawing is a *very* stressful event in a cat's life that isn't completely over once physical recovery is over. Scratching is an instinctive behavior in felines, who knows what the long term effects are of removing that ability. Much more information at the link below, maintained by Phil: http://maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm > As for Phil, he has repeatedly demonstrated hiself to be an unstable > individual, so I have no faith in any of his assertions, and I believe > nor should anyone else. n He doesn't work anywhere near any area of > expertise in veterinaty medicine, and allegedly admits it. So > everything he says must be confirmed prior to following. In fact, Phil has demonstrated himself to be very knowledgable regarding feline care and very caring regarding felines. I'm sure you'd get a severe case of the giggles if everyone jumped on your bandwagon and started disregarding Phil's astute advice. After that, who is going to step up to the plate in here with good no-nonsense feline advice? You? LOL. > My past has zero bearing on the present. Unfortunately, as much as you would like to think not, the bad choices you made in your past will follow you around. You already suffered the consequences of that when you were fired from Forest Lawn With respect to it's bearing on feline matters, it goes to your character and is one of the main reasons your cat was declawed. > The use of such is simply a > demonstration of inferioty. Used by those afraid that they might not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Weird, eh? Yes, it is weird you continually mention your plonking bin... particulary when in the past you have responded directly to those whom you have claimed to place in there. The state of your plonking bin is of no consequence. > Scratching is an instinctive behavior in felines, who knows what > the long term effects are of removing that ability. Hodge doesn't have front claws (not my doing) and he "scratches" a lot. Last night, he did the same thing that Pudge used to do -- stand up on his back legs, stretch as far as he could go on my leg, and give me a gentle scritch scritch with his non-claws. (Hers was more of a rip rip because she had claws, but she never hurt me.) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ Diane <delenn@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cat |
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