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Dennis Carr - 10 Mar 2004 05:03 GMT
My wife recently told me of a cat she once had who would share chocolate
pudding with her.  And survived.

Yes, weird.  But I bring this up because I feel there is a question here.
It is, besides, indirectly linked to how she learned (the hard way) about
chocolate poisoning.

It's widely grokked that chocolate in more than the minutest amount is
fatal to cats (I believe it's the theophylline in it), but is anyone else
aware of why a cat would not be susceptible to this kind of poisoning, or
if there are other cases?

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Cathy Friedmann - 10 Mar 2004 05:11 GMT
> My wife recently told me of a cat she once had who would share chocolate
> pudding with her.  And survived.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> aware of why a cat would not be susceptible to this kind of poisoning, or
> if there are other cases?

The chemical in chocolate that's toxic to cats (& dogs) is theobromine.
Milk chocolate contains the least amount of the chemical, dark chocolate
more, & bitter/baking chocolate contains the most.

Although I personally wouldn't feed it to my cats, minute amounts of milk
chocolate are not likely to cause any symptoms.  Since pudding may have milk
chocolate in it - or maybe even chocolate flavoring Vs. real chocolate? - &
in small amounts, that's probably the explanation.

In one of Peter Gethers' books about his (late) cat Norton, he told of a
restaurant owner who set a dish of chocolate ice cream out for Norton on a
fairly regular basis, yet Norton never showed any ill effects.  The amount
of theobromine that was in each serving was obviously not enough to have an
effect.

Larger amounts, esp. of darker chocolate can prove to be toxic, incl. fatal,
though.

Cathy

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Laura R. - 10 Mar 2004 05:32 GMT
circa Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:03:58 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Dennis Carr (ke6isf@spamcop.net) said,
> My wife recently told me of a cat she once had who would share chocolate
> pudding with her.  And survived.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> aware of why a cat would not be susceptible to this kind of poisoning, or
> if there are other cases?

It isn't deadly in *minute* amounts- toxicity varies by weight of the
animal and the type of chocolate consumed (cocoa and baker's
chocolate are the worst). With that said, cats are *not* immune to
chocolate toxicity; in fact, due to their smaller size, they're
usually more susceptible than dogs. Chocolate pudding doesn't really
have a lot of chocolate in it, which is probably why the cat in
question was able to eat it. Camille has been known to lick the top
off of part of a pan of brownies if I let them cool on top of the
stove, so now I have to let them cool in the oven instead.
Fortunately, she has (knock wood) not gotten sick from it.

Theobromine, which is quite different than theophylline, is what is
in chocolate. ;-)

Just found a link:
http://petplace.netscape.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=602

Laura
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Phil P. - 10 Mar 2004 09:07 GMT
> My wife recently told me of a cat she once had who would share chocolate
> pudding with her.  And survived.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It's widely grokked that chocolate in more than the minutest amount is
> fatal to cats

The acute lethal dosage of theobromine in cats is ~80-150 mg/kg.  That
translates into ~320-600 mg for an average 4 kg (8.8 lb) cat.  A cat would
have to eat at least one ounce of baking chocolate or 8-10 ounces of milk
chocolate to ingest a toxic dose.

Baking chocolate contains ~400 mg/oz of theobromine;
Dark chocolate:  ~130-150 mg/oz;
Semisweet chocolate: ~140 mg/oz
Milk chocolate: ~40-60 mg/oz;
White chocolate: ~0.25 mg/oz

> (I believe it's the theophylline in it),

The toxic ingredient in chocolate is theobromine - not theophylline.
Theophylline is in the same family (methylxanthine) as theobromine and is
also toxic to cats at higher doses than theobromine.  Theophylline is used
at low dosages as a very effective bronchodilator in cats with bronchitis
and asthma.

Chocolate also contains caffine (in lesser amounts than theobromine), which
is also a methylxanthine and toxic to cats.

If I were you, I wouldn't feed chocolate to my cat.  There are plenty of
other treats you can give a cat that she would enjoy much more.

Phil
Steve G - 10 Mar 2004 23:07 GMT
(...)

> It's widely grokked that chocolate in more than the minutest amount is
> fatal to cats (I believe it's the theophylline in it), but is anyone else
> aware of why a cat would not be susceptible to this kind of poisoning, or
> if there are other cases?

A trivial addition to the other replies - theophylline is a component
of tea, so if your cat drinks the odd cuppa, only then might you be
interested in that ingredient...!

Steve.
IBen Getiner - 11 Mar 2004 10:03 GMT
> My wife recently told me of a cat she once had who would share chocolate
> pudding with her.  And survived.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> aware of why a cat would not be susceptible to this kind of poisoning, or
> if there are other cases?

You are typical of today's push-button knee-jerk liberal liars. You
just won't rest until you've stirred everybody and everything up and
you've PCed everything in your path. You're the same stupid idiots who
tell us not to feed our cats fish or not to give them milk. You are
also the same ones who are telling us now that it's all right for a
man to marry another man. All quite natural, you see. You just can't
wait to reshape society in your own narcissistic image.
Don't come in here with your PC trash again. I will be watching out
for you and you will be constantly and immediately rebutted to the
highest degree. Not everyone is a Jerry Springer Pro wrestling sitcom
loving zombie, prickweed. We won't quit giving our pets treats anymore
than we could be duped into voting for Hillary Clinton. We know who
you are and we know what you do. Keep away.

                        IBen
Jeannie - 11 Mar 2004 10:29 GMT
> > My wife recently told me of a cat she once had who would share chocolate
> > pudding with her.  And survived.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>                          IBen

Hilary Clinton....Jerry Springer...homosexual marriages....What the hell was
that all about?

Jeannie
Steve G - 11 Mar 2004 15:37 GMT
(...)

> Hilary Clinton....Jerry Springer...homosexual marriages....What the hell was
> that all about?

Chocolate, I believe. The Jerry Springer bar is choc-full of nuts and
fruitcake, whereas the Hilary Clinton bar is full of Wholesome
Goodness. Chocolate is a suitable wedding gift, for homosexuals, for
example.

HTH,
Steve.
Laura R. - 12 Mar 2004 01:30 GMT
circa Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:29:35 -0000, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Jeannie (jean@NOSPAMspackman) said,
> Hilary Clinton....Jerry Springer...homosexual marriages....What the hell was
> that all about?

Dementia due to advanced syphilis, would be my guess.

Laura
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Dennis Carr - 12 Mar 2004 05:37 GMT
> Hilary Clinton....Jerry Springer...homosexual marriages....What the hell was
> that all about?

Mad troll disease? Dunno.

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