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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2005SYMPTOMS OF FELINE ASTHMA PLEASE ???
Please tell me what the symptoms of asthma are in a 9 year old cat who has had no allergies in the past, but has endured a lot of stress. Or, please refer me to websites that can give me the symptoms of feline asthma. Thank you very much, Debbie & *Henry* > Please tell me what the symptoms of asthma are in a 9 year old cat who > has had no allergies in the past, but has endured a lot of stress. Or, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thank you very much, > Debbie & *Henry* http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_asthma_and_bronchitis.htm http://www.cvm.msu.edu/research/mregl/feline.htm http://www.felineasthma.org/ Has anyone suggested an echocardiogram to rule out heart disease? The symptoms seem to suggest heart disease could be a differential. If you live in either the southeastern U.S., the Eastern Seaboard, the Gulf Coast or within the Mississippi River valley you might want to get him tested for heartworm disease- even if he's an indoor cat. Best of luck, Phil > Please tell me what the symptoms of asthma are in a 9 year old cat who > has had no allergies in the past, but has endured a lot of stress. Or, > please refer me to websites that can give me the symptoms of feline > asthma. Hi Debbie and Henry, Coughing, rapid breathing, lethargy, irritability are pretty common. Fritz had some coughing this morning after his medication and has been cranky with the other cats. I coauthor a website with extensive information on feline asthma which we've worked hard to make comprehensive: http://www.fritzthebrave.com. Cheers, James opalmirror <james@loowit.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Please tell me what the symptoms of asthma are in a 9 year old >> cat who has had no allergies in the past, but has endured a lot [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cheers, > James When Kami has an attack, she crouches and extends her neck. You can see her slowly inhale and force the exhale in almost a cough. It's the posture that tells me it's not a cough. I just gently pet her and try to calm and soothe her until it passes. Bummer there's no cat inhalers. I took her to emergency this spring because she was having one of these episodes every hour on a very dry, windy day. We got immediate attention when she had an attack in the waiting room. Her x-rays showed the air trapped in her lungs, and air in her stomach that she had swallowed trying to breathe. Poor kitty. As if CRF wasn't enough.  SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in message Bummer there's no > cat inhalers. Your cat has asthma and you've never heard of using inhalers??? Inhalers have been used on cats with asthma for about 10 years. Instead of posting anecdotal stories about your cat you should be researching her illness and treatments. http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_asthma_and_bronchitis.htm http://www.maxshouse.com/inhalation_therapy_for_airway_disease.htm http://www.aerokat.com/Animal_Health/ah_aerokat_fac.asp Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.aerokat.com/Animal_Health/ah_aerokat_fac.asp Her vet said plenty of vets will sell you contraptions for rescue inhalers, but the fact is you cannot make a cat inhale when necessary and certainly not deeply enough for it to be effective. If she gets worse, and since we moved out of California it hasn't been much of a problem (the emergency was when we were back there for business), but if it starts up again, she will give me an injectable to keep on hand. I don't have the same killfile at work, darn it. But I can fix that... SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Her vet said plenty of vets will sell you contraptions for rescue > inhalers, That's because he'd rather sell you a treatment that *he* must administer and for which he can charge you. but the fact is you cannot make a cat inhale when > necessary and certainly not deeply enough for it to be effective. Bullshit. Either you're lying or your vet is as ignorant as you- and doesn't know how to use an Areochamber or Aerokat properly--probably a combination of the two. With an Areochamber or Aerokat the cat inhales the full dose of medication more deeply into the lungs than with a normal inspiration because the cat's first instinct is to gasp for air when her mouth is covered by the mask. Thousands of asthmatic cats have been successfully managed with inhalation therapy. I've managed a few *myself*. I sure hope no one listens to your ignorant bullshit. > I don't have the same killfile at work, darn it. But I can fix > that... That's why you're an ignorant, has-been, coke-whore and make your cat suffer. > I sure hope no one listens to your > ignorant bullshit. I would hope anyone with a cat that has a medical condition gets advice from their veterinarian, a second opinion if necessary, and then would do some independent research on reliable sites or from books or journals. When my one veterinarian told me Pudge had CRF, I spent hours looking up everything I could about it. I think I asked some questions here, but that was part of much deeper digging. I printed some stuff I found online and discussed it with my veterinarian. I think that's the approach most people would take (and with their own diagnoses, too). SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ I'm confused... are you writing to me (Debbie) or the author of some article who is promoting a product? Debbie > I'm confused... are you writing to me (Debbie) or the author of some > article who is promoting a product? > > Debbie The person he was replying to either canceled her post or posted with x-no- archive. You didn't miss anything important. Thank you for the reply... I was more than a little confused about it all. D. & H. >Her vet said plenty of vets will sell you contraptions for rescue >inhalers, but the fact is you cannot make a cat inhale when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >for business), but if it starts up again, she will give me an >injectable to keep on hand. Brandy, As a very pleased user of one of those "contraptions" for the last five months, let me assure you that your vet is very much wrong. It's a little surprising sometimes, given how successful inhaled meds are for the treatment of feline asthma, that there are still a lot of vets who either don't know about them, or for some reason resist them. Go look at the site James pointed you to: http://www.fritzthebrave.com Then look at the Yahoo inhaled meds group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felineasthma_inhaledmeds/ where some of us discuss the process and our successes and failures. It's not a question of making the cat inhale. If the cat is relaxed about the process, he'll take the breaths necessary. You do need an aerosol chamber specially designed for cats, since they don't have the drawing power in their diaphragms that humans, even very young ones, have. We just take a little time to get the cat accustomed to the device so he/she will let us hold the mask in place for 10-15 seconds. That's enough time to deliver a dose of Flovent or Albuterol. A little training and positive reinforcement, and most of us have kitties that actually come willingly and cooperate fully when it's time for puffs. Both injected and oral steroids have serious health implications for your cat if you have to use them for a long time. The inhaled steroids are a much better choice in that regard. It's also been my experience that the inhaled bronchodilators are much more effective than the oral ones. SignatureWayne M (indulged by Will and Heidi) Wayne Mitchell <gwmitchell104@pobox.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Both injected and oral steroids have serious health implications > for your cat if you have to use them for a long time. The > inhaled steroids are a much better choice in that regard. It's > also been my experience that the inhaled bronchodilators are > much more effective than the oral ones. I'll certainly ask her about if Kami is having problems again, but the ER vet gave us oral Breathine and Prednisone for the future. The vet said if she starts to show signs of asthma difficulties again, go straight for the prednisone because both meds affect the kidneys, but the pred will do more for the asthma. You don't know Kami. Using a mask is not likely to be successful. Maybe she was taking that into consideration when we were discussing it. They USED TO think she was a doll until she decided... not to be one. There are deep gouges in her carrier from her fangs the last time they tried to put her back in it. Hips weak, jaws apparently not. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in message > I'll certainly ask her about if Kami is having problems again, but the > ER vet gave us oral Breathine and Prednisone for the future. The vet > said if she starts to show signs of asthma difficulties again, go > straight for the prednisone because both meds affect the kidneys, Bullshit. Breathine is metabolized in the *liver* and has no adverse affects *on* the kidneys. but > the pred will do more for the asthma. Bullshit. Prednisone takes much longer to work and will not reverse an attack as quickly as a bronchodilator. > You don't know Kami. Using a mask is not likely to be successful. > Maybe she was taking that into consideration when we were discussing > it. "When we were discussing it"?? You're changing your story, you sleazly manipulating liar. You distinctly said "Bummer there's no cat inhalers" which clearly indicates you did not know anything about inhalation therapy for cats. You could not have discussed something you knew nothing about. You're just trying to draw attention away from your ignorance and lack of effort by lying. They USED TO think she was a doll until she decided... not to be > one. There are deep gouges in her carrier from her fangs the last time > they tried to put her back in it. That's because you encouraged biting when she was kitten and stupidly and cruelly declawed her for a biting problem that *you* encouraged and failed to correct. Had you researched declawing, as you should have researched feline asthma, you would have learned that declawing only increases the biting behavior in a biting cat. Stop trying to peddle your old porn movies and put down your cocaine spoon for a few minutes to do some research about your cat's health. > Maybe she was taking that into consideration when we were discussing > it. Then they should have said, "Yes, there are inhalers for cats, but they probably would not work with your cat because . . ." My veterinarians will discuss what's available and then why they don't recommend it (if they don't) for my particular beast. IIRC, this began when you said you wish someone would come up with an inhaler for cats. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ Diane <delenn@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Maybe she was taking that into consideration when we were >> discussing it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this began when you said you wish someone would come up with an > inhaler for cats. Per my inference, it's difficult to know when you're being sold something and if something actually works. I heard from more than one expert that rescue inhalants are much too diffult to use on a cat. Perhaps regular inhalantion therapy works, or a cat gets used to it, but I'm talking about infrequent and ermergent use. There is a difference. I'll stick to the opinions of those who have degrees in animal medicine and who actually know my cat rather than anecdotal and defensive remarks. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote:. > I'll stick to the opinions of those who have degrees in animal medicine > and who actually know my cat rather than anecdotal and defensive > remarks. Besides, it is so much more convenient and economical not to be bothered with an inhaler. > Diane <delenn@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Per my inference, it's difficult to know when you're being sold > something and if something actually works. Again, you said that it was a bummer there weren't inhalers for cats. What you're saying now is entirely different. I've never had a veterinarian "sell" me anything. He and his partners are care providers. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > > Diane <delenn@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote in > > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Per my inference, it's difficult to know when you're being sold > > something and if something actually works. > Again, you said that it was a bummer there weren't inhalers for cats. > What you're saying now is entirely different. Of course its completely different. She's just trying to sleaze over her ignorance by convoluting her original statement. > Per my inference, it's difficult to know when you're being sold > something and if something actually works. I guess the thought of researching inhalation therapy for your cat never entered your mind. If she were my cat, I'd want to know *every* treatment option available-- but that's me. Instead of surfing the web for your old porn movies, you should be researching your cat's illness and treatments. I heard from more than one > expert that rescue inhalants are much too diffult to use on a cat. You're sleazy a liar. You didn't hear anything of the sort. Otherwise you would have said "inhalants are much too 'diffult' to use on a cat" (which of course they aren't) instead of "Bummer there's no cat inhalers". The two statements are completely different in meaning. You're simply trying to sleaze out of looking ignorant about treatments for your cat's illness. You're also trying to denigrate a very effective asthma therapy for cats because you're too lazy and inept to handle it. > I'll stick to the opinions of those who have degrees in animal medicine > and who actually know my cat rather than anecdotal and defensive > remarks. Yeah- like the "those who have degrees in animal medicine" who recommended declawing your biting cat? The author of "Inhalation Therapy for Airway Disease" *is* an expert on feline asthma and inhalation therapy- Patricia M. Dowling--. and she does have "degrees in animal medicine"- D.V.M., Ph.D, Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine-- Take a break from the cocaine- its burning out your brain cells. Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in > message news:Xns96E818021078675309@129.250.170.93... [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Take a break from the cocaine- its burning out your brain cells. Wow, that take some set of skills to put all of the standard personal attacks into one single defensive post. You're really, truly afraid to let things stand on their own merits, aren't you. Insecurity is uglier than you try to make me out to be based on decades old information and you lack of research on me! You seem to have a problem differentiating between my comment about rescue inhalers--you know, the kind where the cat is having an attack and you need something to put an immediate stop to it--and consistent therapies for chronic disease. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Wow, that take some set of skills to put all of the standard > personal attacks into one single defensive post. Actually, I thought it was a rather aggressive and defamatory post-- at least that was my intention. You're really, > truly afraid to let things stand on their own merits, aren't you. Not at all. You just don't what you're talking about. > Insecurity is uglier than you try to make me out to be based on > decades old information and you lack of research on me! You mean you're no longer a has-been and a coke whore who maimed and disjointed her cat for a problem you created? Took a trip to Damascus recently, have you? Btw, don't flatter yourself, I didn't waste my time doing research on you- its readily supplied by some of your 'admirers'. Actually, I never heard of you before you posted in this group. You're not the celebrity you think you are-- you're just an a.shole- literally and figuratively. > You seem to have a problem differentiating between my comment about > rescue inhalers--you know, the kind where the cat is having an > attack and you need something to put an immediate stop to it--and > consistent therapies for chronic disease. Nope. Your statement "Bummer there's no cat inhalers" was quite clear and clearly showed you obviously knew nothing about inhalation therapy for cats. Oh, and btw, inhaled corticosteroids *is* the current treatment of choice for the chronic management of feline asthma because the drug is delivered directly to the lungs and minimizes or even eliminates the systemic side effects of steroid therapy. You really don't know anything about your cat's illness and treatments! You're sinking deeper and deeper in your own bullshit. Better find another person who has more "degrees in animal medicine" because the one you have now doesn't know sh.t about feline asthma-- and you're too lazy to do your own research. You said you kill-filed me *twice*. What happened? Your inflated ego just has to know what people say about you! LOL! >>Per my inference, it's difficult to know when you're being sold >>something and if something actually works. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > would have said "inhalants are much too 'diffult' to use on a cat" (which of > course they aren't) instead of "Bummer there's no cat inhalers". The two That "bummer" word brings back painful memories for Brandy. I suspect she has been "bummered" many times. ;) > statements are completely different in meaning. You're simply trying to > sleaze out of looking ignorant about treatments for your cat's illness. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Take a break from the cocaine- its burning out your brain cells. Brandy Alexandre wrote: > Wayne Mitchell <gwmitchell104@pobox.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > You don't know Kami. Using a mask is not likely to be successful. > Maybe she was taking that into consideration when we were discussing > it. They USED TO think she was a doll until she decided... not to be > one. There are deep gouges in her carrier from her fangs the last time > they tried to put her back in it. Hips weak, jaws apparently not. This is the cat you declawed, right? I would imagine she probably has some very bad memories of being at the vet and what happened to her there :( You would be giving her the inhaled meds at home, not in her carrier. >You don't know Kami. Using a mask is not likely to be successful. Personally, I can't say much about doing IMs with "difficult" cats; Will has always been easy to medicate. However, if you read the Yahoo IM group a bit, you will see how many have had success with cats they swore would never hold still for it. Even people with feral cats who resist any handling have managed to do inhaled meds. Sometimes it seems the worst actors are the quickest to adapt. I'm always delighted to see another such success-with-a-badass-cat story put up on the group, because I think it is the one thing that people considering using IMs need to hear most -- that *any* cat can be given inhaled meds, and sometimes far more easily than anyone could guess from prior behavior. SignatureWayne M. Wayne Mitchell <gwmitchell104@pobox.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Personally, I can't say much about doing IMs with "difficult" > cats; Will has always been easy to medicate. However, if you > read the Yahoo IM group a bit, you will see how many have had > success with cats they swore would never hold still for it. I'm happy that she's just now accepting sub-q after my working on it for many moons. Her asthma, thank god, has not been an issue since we move out of Los Angeles. Kami and I have lived together alone for a long, long time. We've had our ups and downs, but we love each other and I know it each time to places her paw on me telling me that she's not ready for me to stop stroking her. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? |
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