Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2005
UTI infections, crystals, treatment
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tom_sawyer70@yahoo.com - 16 Sep 2005 21:34 GMT My neighbor's cat was diagnosed with a urinary tract infection today. The symptoms were that yesterday, the cat became lethargic and was observed to be "squatting" without any fecal or urine discharge. He was in pain...couldn't jump without a scream, slow moving, etc. The litter box did not have any fecal or urine evidence since its last cleaning the day before yesterday.
On the way to the vet, the cat evidently attempted once again to go to the bathroom and left a bloody pool in the carrier.
The vet confirmed a UTI that there were crystals blocking his system. There were two options provided...a 15% chance of success for $170 in medication and a change in diet over the weekend (away from dry cat food). Or, a $1500 operation that a much better chance for success and a new diet, etc.
The fact that the cat did have stools and urine in the previous litterbox cleaning and was active up until last night suggest that the onset of trouble was fairly recent. However, it seems odd that there are only two options...one with only a miracle chance of success or an extremely expensive, and from what I've read, usually a last-resort option.
Are these typically the one two given...one with very little chance and another with an extremely high pricetag (or is it a common price tag)?
What is the (typical) effectiveness of the altered diet method?
TIA.
Karen - 16 Sep 2005 21:47 GMT OK, my biggest confusion is did they do a catheter at the vet? Because really, you'd have to at least have had that done. Then yes, changing the food, WAY increase water intake are going to be your best options. The op IS the last resort but highly successful if you HAVE to go that way. IT really is a matter of life and death, so if he blocks repeatedly, the operation is truly necessary. I think I would consider it necessary in my cat after a third blockage.
> My neighbor's cat was diagnosed with a urinary tract infection today. > The symptoms were that yesterday, the cat became lethargic and was [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > TIA. tom_sawyer70@yahoo.com - 16 Sep 2005 21:59 GMT To my knowledge, no, there was nothing more than listening to his heart and feeling around.
Karen - 16 Sep 2005 22:58 GMT They need a NEW vet PRONTO or that cat will DIE.
> To my knowledge, no, there was nothing more than listening to his heart > and feeling around. tom_sawyer70@yahoo.com - 17 Sep 2005 00:18 GMT > They need a NEW vet PRONTO or that cat will DIE. I am, unfortunately, following up after-the-fact. The family could not afford the surgery and felt pressured by the circumstance...they believed the vet in that there was almost no chance of success with the medicinal route and the vet continued to talk about how the cat would probably not respond to the medicine and how they would wind up in surgery anyway. Not wanting to put the cat through further pain for a pre-determined failed attempt through medicine, they put an otherwise healthy, friendly, good-with-children, cuddly, unobtrusive cat with a relatively treatable problem to sleep because they could not afford the surgery nor the continual (estimated) medicinal costs.
They are heartbroken because they are now finding out that they probably did not need to make that decision.
Everyone is sad, because we recognize an unusual increase in fees, tests, and the costs of animal care. I'm not sure how to justify $1500 for a simply procedure that is common among cats. Maybe another BMW payment is due, but in this case, there was no intervention to say "let's look at alternatives," or "there's something else we can try."
>From what I was told, it was "ok, we'll put him to sleep." I can't tell if I'm more sad than angry.
Karen - 17 Sep 2005 01:16 GMT >> They need a NEW vet PRONTO or that cat will DIE. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I can't tell if I'm more sad than angry. Oh my God. That is HORRIBLE :( Too many people just do not have enough education on cats and stupid vets don't help. That is awful :( My Grant had a partial blockage. He needed to be catheterized twice and since it was the emergency vet it came altogether around 375.00. One other time he had partial blockage, but we caught it VERY early and it was a little sludge that my regular vet could manually work out. As a preventative, I put water bowls all over the house and switched him to primarily wet, high quality food and got Feliway diffusers for the house to reduce stress. He never had another episode, although he died this year from stomach cancer. Please, if these people get another pet, they need education and to establish a relationship with a feline doctor (there are more and more feline only practices) because then you can work out payments. If I had my way, there would be animal care courses in every elementary and middle school in the U.S. I swear, if kids could learn basic care from an early age of pets (cat AND dog) I would guess it would lead to less of a pet overpopulation problem and I personally believe it would lead to greater kindness to both pets and people. Sorry, I'm rambling now, but this is just another case of where you can't trust just any vet. This is just a tragedy.
tom_sawyer70@yahoo.com - 17 Sep 2005 02:40 GMT Karen, While I agree that people may not have enough education in pets...the cat was behaving as normal as possible until the last night. The vet, on the other hand, was trusted to know what to do...a catheter, options, etc. From my experience with my dog (who has encountered many vets due to relocation, etc.), some vets are more interested in the turnkey solution rather than helping the animal. From what I know of the encounter, there was no "there might be a better way" offer once the decision was made to put the cat to sleep...no comfort, but a very clinical, "ok" and then taking the cat from the room.
My neighbors, tonight as they've had time to think about things, wish they would have gone the medicinal route because if for no other reason, it would have afforded them time....time the vet was not giving them...time to ask for a second opinion....
It's a bad situation...they feel horrible...not because of their decision, but because the decision was made on bad information in a pressured circumstance.
Karen - 17 Sep 2005 03:00 GMT > Karen, > While I agree that people may not have enough education in pets...the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > decision, but because the decision was made on bad information in a > pressured circumstance. I totally understand that. That is what I mean about education because unfortunately you can't trust all vets. I certainly hope they never go to that vet again :(
PawsForThought - 17 Sep 2005 21:47 GMT > It's a bad situation...they feel horrible...not because of their > decision, but because the decision was made on bad information in a > pressured circumstance. I'm so sorry to hear about this. What a terrible thing and what a horrid vet :(
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Phil P. - 17 Sep 2005 21:36 GMT > > They need a NEW vet PRONTO or that cat will DIE. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > relatively treatable problem to sleep because they could not afford the > surgery nor the continual (estimated) medicinal costs. Oh no. That's absolutely horrible. The continual medicinal costs might have only been a prescription diet. The vet is real low-life.
> They are heartbroken because they are now finding out that they > probably did not need to make that decision. They made the decision based on an incompetent or greedy vet's erroneous information. Some vets only want to deal with cases that involve expensive procedures and treatments- they don't seem to want to be bothered with routine cases.
> Everyone is sad, because we recognize an unusual increase in fees, > tests, and the costs of animal care. I'm not sure how to justify $1500 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I can't tell if I'm more sad than angry. When the sadness subsides, you'll become infuriated- as I am.
Please tell you're neighbors that their vet is unethical and incompetent and *never* entrust him with another animal's life. I would let as many people as possible know what the vet did. Plaster the story along with his name and practice name all over. That's not libel because the story is true. The only thing you can do now is try to spare as many animals from the same fate.
Phil
Phil P. - 17 Sep 2005 00:21 GMT > My neighbor's cat was diagnosed with a urinary tract infection today. > The symptoms were that yesterday, the cat became lethargic and was > observed to be "squatting" without any fecal or urine discharge. He > was in pain...couldn't jump without a scream, slow moving, etc. The > litter box did not have any fecal or urine evidence since its last > cleaning the day before yesterday.
> On the way to the vet, the cat evidently attempted once again to go to > the bathroom and left a bloody pool in the carrier. Bleeding is usually caused by inflammation or irritation of the lower urinary mucosal from crystals cutting into the bladder and/or urethral walls-- or tearing of the bladder mucosa from straining to urinate-- or from overdistention of the bladder in male cats with a urethral obstruction.
> The vet confirmed a UTI that there were crystals blocking his system. A UTI cannot be confirmed without analyzing a urine sample that was taken directly from the bladder (cystocentesis) to avoid contamination with bacteria that normally inhabit the distal urinary tract. Most cats with UTIs have *no* clinically observable symptoms. The vast majority or cats 'diagnosed' with UTIs actually have idiopathic cystitis, and/or crystalluria and/or urolithiasis.
Your neighbor needs to find a competent vet. The cat probably has crystalluria or more likely urolithiasis which is causing a partial or complete urinary tract obstruction. Male cats can *die* from urinary tract obstructions. A complete obstruction produces a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric *acute renal failure* and is a true urologic *emergency*.
> There were two options provided...a 15% chance of success for $170 in > medication and a change in diet over the weekend (away from dry cat > food). Or, a $1500 operation that a much better chance for success and > a new diet, etc. Did the vet catheterize the cat and try to flush the crystal/urolith back into the bladder so the poor cat could urinate? Sometimes stones and crystals can be retrieved by catheterization.
> The fact that the cat did have stools and urine in the previous > litterbox cleaning and was active up until last night suggest that the > onset of trouble was fairly recent. The cat needs to be treated *immediately* before permanent damage is done to bladder and or urethral mucosa.
However, it seems odd that there
> are only two options...one with only a miracle chance of success or an > extremely expensive, and from what I've read, usually a last-resort [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is the (typical) effectiveness of the altered diet method? The usual treatment is either catheterization to flush the stone back into the bladder or cystocentesis to relieve the pressure behind the stone. Neither of these procedures are expensive. Often the catheter is sewn in place for a few days while drugs and/or diet are used to dissolve the crystals or stone (if the stone is struvite). Fluids should be given to restore the cat's electrolyte balance and help flush the bladder.
Before drugs or a special diet can be recommended, the stone *must* be analyzed. Otherwise, the vet might prescribe a diet to treat the wrong crystal-- which will make the problem enormously worse.
Surgery is a last resort. The procedure is called "perineal urethrostomy" which literally turns a male cat into an anatomical female and creates a urethral opening too big to become obstructed again.
Your neighbor should not delay treatment. The must be treated *immediately*.
Good luck,
Phil
Ramboyd - 17 Sep 2005 00:24 GMT > My neighbor's cat was diagnosed with a urinary tract infection today. > The symptoms were that yesterday, the cat became lethargic and was [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > TIA. This happened to my cat just over a year ago. Snoopy was at the point of throwing up bile when I took him in to the vet. He spent a few days there. A catheter was used and his bladder was rinsed of crystals. The cost of the process was $1000.00 Cdn. A change in food seemed to cure the problem. The operation basically involves widening the urinary canal and removal of the penis, virtual changing it into a vagina. This would allow any further crystals to pass through. So far Snoopy hasn't had a need for this operation. (whew! - from both of us)
I still give some dry food but only that certified for urinary problems. I also moisten some of the dry food over night and mix it with canned food. The canned food also is certified for urinary problems. Since starting this regiment, I (or rather the cat) hasn't had any problems.
Good luck
Ramboyd
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tom_sawyer70@yahoo.com - 17 Sep 2005 23:56 GMT Just to follow up...I was given a document that outlines "Feline Urologic Syndrome," which was given to the pet owner on their way out the door of the veterinary office and were told that this was so that if they ever have another cat they can recognize the symptoms. I have my own opinion about this documenth because I find that the document does not follow what was performed at the office, but I am posting it for review/opinion...there may be a few typos, but there were several in the original document and I'm posting this without much review...I'm leaving their typos in.
"Feline Urologic Syndrome is a very frustrating condition to the veterinarian, client and the cat.
It is of the most serious and distressing cat diseases confronting cat owners and veterinarians. FUS occurs in all breeds and ages, male and female, neutered and non-neutered, indoor and outdoor cats, and in those fed all type foods.
Feline urinary problems are currently the subject of much research, but the exact cause is still unknown and considered very complex. Possible causes may include heredity, diet, infections and stress.
Early signs of trouble include: - Irritability and restlessness - Bloody urine - Frequent trips to the litter box - Straining while in a squatting position - Urinating in unaccustomed places about the house
Cats with more advanced FUS may vomit or drool, cry with pain, strain constantly, or have a tender abdomen. These later signs often mean that the cat cannot pass urine because of sand stones or mucus plugs in the urinary passages plugging the urethra so urine cannot be expelled. If a veterinarian does not relieve the obstruction promptly, the cat will die!
FUS can be an EMERGENCY situation if complete blockage has occurred. Prompt treatment is essential for survival! Treatment is directed at removing the obstruction, preventing infection, and maintaining the normal body fluid balance. With early treatment, most FUS cases respond well; however, recurrence within a few hours to a few months is common, and some patients dies from the disease complications. In recurring cases, surgery may be recommended to enlarge the urinary opening to prevent the BLOCKAGE.
HOME CARE:
MEDICATIONS: - Antibiotics as directed for the infection - Use a MINIMUM of 3 WEEKS! - Antispasmodics as directed for spasms and straining - Drugs to encourage water consumption, increase urine volume, and stimulate bladder function.
DIET: (Most IMPORTANT to prevent RECURRENCE!) - After 60 days, feed nothing but Prescription Diet C/D to prevent recurrence - Clean, FRESH drinking water (change daily) - Feed NOTHING BUT Feline Prescription Diet s/d for 60 days. (Two months).
- The foods that is acceptable, BUT much less desirable than the above.
- 9 Lives Country Chicken & Gravy - 9 Lives Choice Cuts & Cheese - 9 Lives Tuna & Chicken - 9 Lives Savory Stew - 9 Lives Beef & Egg - Friskies Beef & Liver Buffet - Tender Vittles varieties that do NOT contain fish - Purina One for UTI
ACTIVITY: Encourage exercise.
MANAGEMENT: - Do NOT leave your cat unattended for extended times, indoors or out (days) - If you must board your cat, be sure to inform the attendant to watch for danger signs. - Check litter pan daily for signs of urination and abnormal urine. - Use tomato juice to acidify the urine (1/2 cup given 2-3 times/week) if cat will drink it - Willingly - most will!
NOTIFY THE CLINIC IF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ARE OBSERVED: - Straining to urinate - Crying when urinates - Urinating in areas other than normal for you cat - Frequent trips to the litter box - Vomiting - Refusal to eat - Bloody urine - Depression - Any other abnormality for your cat.
Proper diet and urinary acidifiers will successfully manage most cases. Recurrences usually are the result of failure to properly regulate the diet or failure to give medications as directed. In practically EVERY case of recurrence we see, the owner has switched off Prescription Diet C/D!
When recurrences do occur, surgery may be recommended to enlarge the urethral opening. This will usually prevent urinary obstruction BUT does NOT prevent recurring cystitis (bladder infection). Once a bladder infection has occurred, it often will return later in life, just as in humans.
PROPER DIET IS THE KEY TO PREVENTING RECURRENCE!"
Karen - 18 Sep 2005 01:02 GMT > Just to follow up...I was given a document that outlines "Feline > Urologic Syndrome," which was given to the pet owner on their way out [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > PROPER DIET IS THE KEY TO PREVENTING RECURRENCE!" Wow. Bad typos (or grammatical errors, hard to tell which). Mostly correct info. Never heard the bit about tomato juice before. Good points about boarding cats. I just do NOT understand how the vet could give that out, but not have treated the cat in any manner. I begin to think the vet looked at the family and the brain said "can't afford" and decided just to offer worst case scenario expensive treatment because he didn't want to be bothered. Rat. Scum. Jerk.
tom_sawyer70@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2005 03:57 GMT > Wow. Bad typos (or grammatical errors, hard to tell which). Mostly > correct info. Never heard the bit about tomato juice before. Good [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and decided just to offer worst case scenario expensive treatment > because he didn't want to be bothered. Rat. Scum. Jerk. What is perplexing is that the document talks about treatment prior to surgery. Even when discussing advanced stages, it talks of the vet removing the obstruction, but that was not even proposed. Furthermore, I asked whether there was any reaction to the decision, but there was no attempt to 'explore further options' or deter the decision.
The little girl next door has been in a daze since she came home from school on Friday. The parents are mad at themselves for, at the very least, not taking the drug option to buy time and/or get a second opinion.
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