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Judy F - 02 Mar 2004 14:02 GMT
Check out these guys!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
012049

Carrie-Lou Salter - 02 Mar 2004 15:00 GMT
> Check out these guys!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
012049


That's too cute... :)
Karen - 02 Mar 2004 15:02 GMT
Too cute!!

> Check out these guys!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
012049

Mary - 02 Mar 2004 16:55 GMT
> Check out these guys!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
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So cute! And look how old that building looks. Wow.
Judy F - 02 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT
I didn't even notice how old the building looked! The caption said it was a
brownstone, and some of them are really old!
Judy F

> > Check out these guys!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
012049


> So cute! And look how old that building looks. Wow.
Mary - 02 Mar 2004 22:37 GMT
> I didn't even notice how old the building looked! The caption said it was a
> brownstone, and some of them are really old!
> Judy F

Until I read the caption I thought maybe it was in Europe. I find old
places like this so poignant for some reason. Perhaps all the lives
(human, canine, feline, etc.) that have passed through them.
Judy F - 03 Mar 2004 13:49 GMT
Well put!
Judy F

> > I didn't even notice how old the building looked! The caption said
> it was a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> places like this so poignant for some reason. Perhaps all the lives
> (human, canine, feline, etc.) that have passed through them.
Laura R. - 06 Mar 2004 17:43 GMT
circa Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:55:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
>  And look how old that building looks. Wow.

This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)

http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568

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Sherry - 06 Mar 2004 19:05 GMT
>This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
>neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)

Whoaa. That's awesome. How many s.f. living space do you have? It looks huge.
I like our house, and will never move. But it sure does lack character. The
kind that your apartment has. You know what I mean.
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 01:23 GMT
circa 06 Mar 2004 19:05:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
> >neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)
>
> Whoaa. That's awesome. How many s.f. living space do you have? It looks huge.

I'm not quite sure, as I have never verified the broker's
measurements, but it's somewhere around 2,000 square feet.

> I like our house, and will never move. But it sure does lack character. The
> kind that your apartment has. You know what I mean.

I do. The workmanship and detailing that went into houses built a
hundred years ago is unmatched in 99.9% of today's construction, IMO.
I mean, when was the last time you saw a new house in which the walls
were plaster slat instead of sheetrock? How many doors in new homes
are solid hardwood instead of hollow-core? How often do you find real
mahogany or cherry trim in new homes? I find lots of newer houses
attractive, too, but I just have a deep love of the materials and the
details in older homes.

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Cathy Friedmann - 07 Mar 2004 01:37 GMT
> circa 06 Mar 2004 19:05:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
> (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I mean, when was the last time you saw a new house in which the walls
> were plaster slat instead of sheetrock?

Exactly.

> How many doors in new homes
> are solid hardwood instead of hollow-core?

Exactly.

And glass doorknobs. (I love my glass doorknobs!)

> How often do you find real
> mahogany or cherry trim in new homes? I find lots of newer houses
> attractive, too, but I just have a deep love of the materials and the
> details in older homes.

Yep.

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:56 GMT
circa Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:37:12 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > I do. The workmanship and detailing that went into houses built a
> > hundred years ago is unmatched in 99.9% of today's construction, IMO.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> And glass doorknobs. (I love my glass doorknobs!)

And bathtubs that are deep enough and long enough that you can
*really* soak up to your neck in bubbles. :-)

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MacCandace - 06 Mar 2004 19:23 GMT
<< This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)

http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568

Laura >>

Omigosh, it's beautiful!  Can we be friends?  I love old bldgs./houses.  My
house was built in 1947 which, for Phoenix, is considered pretty old.  But
there are various sections of town, historic districts, where the houses are
much older usu. around 1920-1940.  Whereas most people are envious of someone
who gets abrand new house, I always get that feeling when I hear of a house
older than mine.

How many rooms does your apt. have?  

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Cat Protector - 06 Mar 2004 19:48 GMT
Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is going
down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
take over. Yes, crime is everywhere but I'd rather live in a newer house
where it is a bit safer.

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> << This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
> neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)
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> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
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MacCandace - 06 Mar 2004 20:01 GMT
<< Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is going
down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
take over. Yes, crime is everywhere but I'd rather live in a newer house
where it is a bit safer. >>

I don't think it matters.  These older neighborhoods often have residents who
are really into keeping the 'hood up.  Encanto, Coronado, Willo--those historic
districts have homes worth half a million dollars.  They're beautiful.  Then
look at Chandler/Gilbert...all new homes...and the gang problem there is
enormous. My friend moved her kids to Payson to get away from Gilbert but it's
too late, one of her kids is already screwed up.  I don't think you can get
very far away from gang activity in the greater Phoenix area.  

I work in north Scottsdale, very ritzy, as you know, and one of my coworkers,
who lives about a mile from where we work at 92nd and Shea, had a shooting
right in front of her house.  One of the neighbors blew some guy's head off in
broad daylight in the street and my coworker's little 8 year old daughter was
right outside when it happened and then the body laid in the street for hours
while the police investigated so all the neighbor kids saw it.  And there was a
fatal shooting yesterday at 90th St. and Shea, as you probably heard, in the
Pier 1 parking lot.  You can't get away from violence in Phoenix.  My
neighborhood, where the homes are 50+ years old, is no worse than Scottsdale or
Gilbert.

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Sherry - 06 Mar 2004 20:10 GMT
><< Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is
>going
>down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
>take over. Yes, crime is everywhere but I'd rather live in a newer house
>where it is a bit safer. >>

The age of your house doesn't matter. Unless you just  prefer a nice vanilla
tract house. Lots of people do.  I prefer an older, established neighborhood.
The houses are usually much more well-built. All older neighborhoods aren't
deteriorated...in fact, many of them are the most sought-after locations.
I hardly think Laura's brownstone is located in a gang-infested ghetto, if
that's what you're implying.

Sherry
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:23 GMT
circa 06 Mar 2004 20:10:31 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> ><< Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is
> >going
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I hardly think Laura's brownstone is located in a gang-infested ghetto, if
> that's what you're implying.

<snork> No, it certainly isn't. Well, unless you count Mabel, who
lives across the hall from me, is about ninety years old and wears
coke-bottle glasses, Bermuda shorts and Keds. I think she might be a
secret drug kingpin. Or that girl Heather and her boyfriend who live
downstairs- their Irish Setter, Duncan, might be a drug runner for
the Columbians. Or maybe Carl and his boyfriend, with the thousand-
dollar suits they wear to church on Sunday. Maybe that's just their
cover. Ever since "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" came out, gay
gangs are everywhere.

;-)

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Mary - 07 Mar 2004 16:24 GMT
>Ever since "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" came out, gay
> gangs are everywhere.

You're telling me! A bunch of them broke in and redecorated my bedroom
last week.
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 17:14 GMT
circa Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:24:25 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> >Ever since "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" came out, gay
> > gangs are everywhere.
>
> You're telling me! A bunch of them broke in and redecorated my bedroom
> last week.

It's the ones roving around giving fashion advice that are really
dangerous, or so the gay gang task force tells us on the news. There
has been a huge upswing in visits to Ikea, too; it's just scary!

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:06 GMT
circa 06 Mar 2004 20:01:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,

> << Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is going
> down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> neighborhood, where the homes are 50+ years old, is no worse than Scottsdale or
> Gilbert.

Exactly. It isn't just poor people who commit crime.

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Diane L. Schirf - 06 Mar 2004 20:14 GMT
> If the neighborhood is going
> down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
> take over.

Does her apartment look like it's in a neighbourhood that's going
downhill? I dinnae think so. Yeesh.

> Yes, crime is everywhere but I'd rather live in a newer house
> where it is a bit safer.

I live in a 1927 Beaux Arts building in one of Chicago's safer
neighborhoods. A lot of those buildings along the Gold Coast aren't new,
either. How in the world can anyone equate the age of a building with
the safety of the neighborhood? Only you could come up with such a
bizarre line of "reasoning." Or someone with your problem, I suppose.

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Cathy Friedmann - 06 Mar 2004 20:29 GMT
> > If the neighborhood is going
> > down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> either. How in the world can anyone equate the age of a building with
> the safety of the neighborhood?

Don't know.  In Manhattan, think of CPW, foir ex. - the prominent pre-war
apt. buildings (Century, Dakota, San Remo, etc.) where the affluent live.

I looked only at older homes when I was house-hunting; just prefer them.
Often more character & better construction/materials.  (Imagine having all
HW floors in a new house & how it'd jack up the price!)  In my case (way
upstate), older homes often also less pricey than newer homes.

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:25 GMT
circa Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:29:11 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > I live in a 1927 Beaux Arts building in one of Chicago's safer
> > neighborhoods. A lot of those buildings along the Gold Coast aren't new,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Don't know.  In Manhattan, think of CPW, foir ex. - the prominent pre-war
> apt. buildings (Century, Dakota, San Remo, etc.) where the affluent live.

Very much so. It's harder to find a *new* building on the Upper East
Side than an old one.

> I looked only at older homes when I was house-hunting; just prefer them.
> Often more character & better construction/materials.  (Imagine having all
> HW floors in a new house & how it'd jack up the price!)  In my case (way
> upstate), older homes often also less pricey than newer homes.

Amen.

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equalizer - 06 Mar 2004 20:30 GMT
>> If the neighborhood is going
>> down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>the safety of the neighborhood? Only you could come up with such a
>bizarre line of "reasoning." Or someone with your problem, I suppose.

LOL!!
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:24 GMT
circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:14:18 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Diane L. Schirf (delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com) said,
> > If the neighborhood is going
> > down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I live in a 1927 Beaux Arts building in one of Chicago's safer
> neighborhoods.

Oh, you must love it! *Great* buildings!

> A lot of those buildings along the Gold Coast aren't new,
> either. How in the world can anyone equate the age of a building with
> the safety of the neighborhood? Only you could come up with such a
> bizarre line of "reasoning." Or someone with your problem, I suppose.

Reason and CP have never met. :-)

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Diane L. Schirf - 07 Mar 2004 16:36 GMT
> > I live in a 1927 Beaux Arts building in one of Chicago's safer
> > neighborhoods.
>
> Oh, you must love it! *Great* buildings!

<http://www.flamingoapartments.com/>

Not *anything* like your building or apartment, but it suits my needs
(and limited budget). I'm on the northeast corner on the 12th floor, so
I have a view of the lake from all windows. And I can see the fireworks
at Navy Pier from the living room. :)

There's a restaurant tacked on to the first floor where the neighborhood
police all eat, it seems. Two police cars parked out front much of the
evening. How safe can it get? ;)

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 17:16 GMT
circa Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:36:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Diane L. Schirf (delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com) said,
> > > I live in a 1927 Beaux Arts building in one of Chicago's safer
> > > neighborhoods.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I have a view of the lake from all windows. And I can see the fireworks
> at Navy Pier from the living room. :)

That is too cool! And great rent prices, too!

> There's a restaurant tacked on to the first floor where the neighborhood
> police all eat, it seems. Two police cars parked out front much of the
> evening. How safe can it get? ;)

I live across from an elementary school. Lots and lots of cop
patrols. Makes me feel safe from all the roving gangs of fashion
police. ;-)

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Cathy Friedmann - 08 Mar 2004 19:13 GMT
> > > I live in a 1927 Beaux Arts building in one of Chicago's safer
> > > neighborhoods.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I have a view of the lake from all windows. And I can see the fireworks
> at Navy Pier from the living room. :)

Cool! -  esp. w/ the 3 windows-in-a-row deal at the front of the bldg., for
the view.  And even I, living in an inexpensive housing area, can see that
the rents are very reasonable.  Noticed the crown moldings, & as Laura
mentioned in another post about older construction, gotta bet that those
walls are plaster & lath.

Why the name Flamingo, do you know? (For some reason, I don't envision
flamingos walking along Lake Michigan's shoreline... <g>)

> There's a restaurant tacked on to the first floor where the neighborhood
> police all eat, it seems. Two police cars parked out front much of the
> evening. How safe can it get? ;)

Extra little perks. :-)

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Mary - 06 Mar 2004 20:17 GMT
> Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is going
> down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
> take over. Yes, crime is everywhere but I'd rather live in a newer house
> where it is a bit safer.

Nobody is safe anywhere.
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:05 GMT
circa Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:48:37 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,
> Yeah but location is what I would worry about? If the neighborhood is going
> down hill it is the perfect place for gangs and other nasties to come in and
> take over. Yes, crime is everywhere but I'd rather live in a newer house
> where it is a bit safer.

Just when I think I've seen you post the most inane, uninformed, or
just-plain-nutty thing yet, you prove that you can do worse. Yeesh.

Let me fill you in on an few things about New York City real estate.
First, "newer" housing tends to fall into one of three categories:

1. low-income housing
2. cookie-cutter mid-range crackerboxes on Staten Island or out in
Jersey
3. Donald Trump types of properties- although Trump actually
specializes in renovating *old* buildings and selling the resultant
condos for twenty or thirty million a pop.

Here in NY, doofus, "pre-war" is a selling point. Housing built
before the 1940s is highly coveted- they simply aren't building to
that kind of quality anymore. Neighborhoods that have a lot of prewar
housing have been undergoing massive gentrification for the past
fifteen or twenty years.

Where you're *far* more likely to live in the midst of gang activity
is in the projects. Why? Because cocaine isn't "in" anymore- crack is
the product of choice for gangs, along with meth, heroin and ecstasy.
These drugs are cheap to manufacture, which means they can be sold
cheaply and to a wider, poorer market. Drug dealers and gangs live
where their customers live.

My neighborhood consists of yuppies, families and old people. People
walk their dogs on the streets without carrying anything more
dangerous than a pooper-scooper. The cars parked on my street consist
primarily of yupmobiles- if I look out the window right now, I'll see
BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Porsche, Jaguar or Infinity emblems on far more
cars than I'll see a plain ol' Chevy or Ford. Why my neighbors insist
upon driving expensive new cars in New York City is beyond me, but
hey, to each his own. And no, these aren't gangbanger cars with gold
rims and curb feelers. The people here *work* for a living.

For you to think that a neighborhood of "older" housing is inherently
"going down hill" [sic] is one of the best examples of your idiocy
that I've seen yet. Yeesh.

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Mary - 06 Mar 2004 20:15 GMT
> << This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
> neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Omigosh, it's beautiful!  Can we be friends?

LOL! I was thinking Laura is awful brave to announce that she lives in
a
gorgeous place in NYC. Ever heard that old saw about never knowing
how many friends you have until you get a NYC apartment> :0)
MacCandace - 06 Mar 2004 20:40 GMT
<< LOL! I was thinking Laura is awful brave to announce that she lives in
a
gorgeous place in NYC. Ever heard that old saw about never knowing
how many friends you have until you get a NYC apartment> :0) >>

Well, hey, I live in Phoenix, a fairly sought-after vacation destination.  I'm
willing to reciprocate.  

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:31 GMT
circa 06 Mar 2004 20:40:12 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << LOL! I was thinking Laura is awful brave to announce that she lives in
> a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Well, hey, I live in Phoenix, a fairly sought-after vacation destination.  I'm
> willing to reciprocate.  

Hmm. Got a vacation home in Hawaii, by any chance? ;-)

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:30 GMT
circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:15:55 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > Laura >>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> gorgeous place in NYC. Ever heard that old saw about never knowing
> how many friends you have until you get a NYC apartment> :0)

<chuckle> Yeah, it's amazing how many of my family and friends are
much more apt to visit me here than they were when I lived in
Pennsyltucky. ;-)

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 01:28 GMT
circa 06 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
> neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Omigosh, it's beautiful!  Can we be friends?  

<G> But of course! I have lots of room for guests. :-)

> I love old bldgs./houses.  My
> house was built in 1947 which, for Phoenix, is considered pretty old.  But
> there are various sections of town, historic districts, where the houses are
> much older usu. around 1920-1940.  Whereas most people are envious of someone
> who gets abrand new house, I always get that feeling when I hear of a house
> older than mine.

Same here. My second-to-last place was a house built in the 1880's by
the owner of a furniture factory in Michigan. The woodwork was
absolutely extraordinary- it had been cut diagonally across the
grain, which is exceedingly inefficient, but it produces wood that
looks like a tiger's coat. Utterly gorgeous.

> How many rooms does your apt. have?  

Five bedrooms, four bathrooms, dining room, living room, kitchen,
foyer the size of most NYC bedrooms. Oh, and eleven closets. <G> I
looooooove it. :-)

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MacCandace - 07 Mar 2004 03:33 GMT
<< Five bedrooms, four bathrooms, dining room, living room, kitchen,
foyer the size of most NYC bedrooms. Oh, and eleven closets. <G> I
looooooove it. :-)

Laura >>

Ohhhh, you need guests!  That's phenomenally huge...you must be very
successful!

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 06:48 GMT
circa 07 Mar 2004 03:33:55 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << Five bedrooms, four bathrooms, dining room, living room, kitchen,
> foyer the size of most NYC bedrooms. Oh, and eleven closets. <G> I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Ohhhh, you need guests!  That's phenomenally huge...you must be very
> successful!

Nah, just lucky. :-)

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Judy F - 06 Mar 2004 19:27 GMT
> circa Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:55:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,

> This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
> neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568
>
> Laura

Wow that is gorgeous!
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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:31 GMT
circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:27:37 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> > This is where I live now- it was built in 1911 and is in a
> > neighborhood *full* of gorgeous brownstones in NY. I love it. :-)
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>
> Wow that is gorgeous!

Why, thank you. :-) I was blessed by the housing fairy, no doubt
about it.

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Judy F - 07 Mar 2004 15:56 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com>

> Why, thank you. :-) I was blessed by the housing fairy, no doubt
> about it.
>
> Laura

You certainly were! My kids live in the city (one on the upper east and one
on the upper west). It never fails to amaze me how beautiful the different
neighborhoods in Manhattan are!
Judy F
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 16:23 GMT
circa Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:56:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> My kids live in the city (one on the upper east and one
> on the upper west). It never fails to amaze me how beautiful the different
> neighborhoods in Manhattan are!

Same here! The diversity of this city is wonderful- not just in the
people, but in the architecture, the culture, everything. I heart NY.
:-)

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Sherry - 07 Mar 2004 17:19 GMT
>Same here! The diversity of this city is wonderful- not just in the
>people, but in the architecture, the culture, everything. I heart NY.
>:-)
>
>Laura

New York City is the most fabulous city in the world, IMO, and  partly
*because* of the diversity. I always resolve *not* to look like such a tourist;
not to look up all the time, not to say thiings like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TEN
BUCKS FOR A HAMBURGER???" Or act even vaguely curious about the genuine Rolex
deals offered....or even stare at the squirrels in Battery Park. Which, BTW,
don't look a thing like our squirrels. Maybe I'm just a little bit hillbilly,
but going to NYC is just an amazing experience. Like being in another world.

Sherry
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 18:05 GMT
circa 07 Mar 2004 17:19:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >Same here! The diversity of this city is wonderful- not just in the
> >people, but in the architecture, the culture, everything. I heart NY.
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> New York City is the most fabulous city in the world, IMO, and  partly
> *because* of the diversity.

I couldn't agree more. When my mother comes to visit, which she
suddenly does much more often now that I live here, her absolute
favorite thing to do [I kid you not] is to ride the subway. She loves
the fact that among thirty people clustered together in a car, she'll
hear a half-dozen different languages being spoken. She gets a huge
charge out of the people who either move up and down the cars selling
trinkets or stand in the stations performing.

> I always resolve *not* to look like such a tourist;
> not to look up all the time, not to say thiings like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TEN
> BUCKS FOR A HAMBURGER???"

My mother *tries*, but she just can't help the silly grins and the
"oh, that's so COOL" utterances. My sister at least feigns ennui.

> Or act even vaguely curious about the genuine Rolex
> deals offered

Yeah, can you believe it? A reeel, jen-you-wine ROLEX for a mere ten
bucks! And a Gucci handbag for twenty!

> ....or even stare at the squirrels in Battery Park. Which, BTW,
> don't look a thing like our squirrels.

It's the water here. Too full of mobsters and toxic waste (is there a
difference, I wonder?)

> Maybe I'm just a little bit hillbilly,
> but going to NYC is just an amazing experience. Like being in another world.

Nah, that's not hillbilly. There's a reason why New Yorkers think the
known universe is bounded by the five boroughs- the rest of the world
is just, well, *different*.

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Cathy Friedmann - 08 Mar 2004 19:39 GMT
> circa 07 Mar 2004 17:19:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
> (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
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> charge out of the people who either move up and down the cars selling
> trinkets or stand in the stations performing.

My mother's originally from NYC, so we used to go down once in a while to
visit relatives when I was little.  My most favorite thing to do was to ride
the subway, although for different reasons than your mother's, since I was
so little then.  I lived in small upstate village, & the subway was just
_so_ urbane & exciting!  In the 50's, the lights in the subway cars often
went out while in the tunnels - that was the *best*! ;-)   My second most
favorite thing to do back then can't be accomplished anymore - I loved the H
& H Automats.

> > I always resolve *not* to look like such a tourist;
> > not to look up all the time, not to say thiings like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TEN
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> Yeah, can you believe it? A reeel, jen-you-wine ROLEX for a mere ten
> bucks! And a Gucci handbag for twenty!

I always wonder; how many people are actually being taken in, & how many are
savvy but buying, in hopes that their friends & acquaintances will be taken
in by their purchase when they see it.... ;-)

> > ....or even stare at the squirrels in Battery Park. Which, BTW,
> > don't look a thing like our squirrels.
>
> It's the water here. Too full of mobsters and toxic waste (is there a
> difference, I wonder?)

On a less facetious note, I saw a program on TV a few years ago (which
channel/network??) about the underground services for NYC, incl. its water
supply.  It has some of the cleanest water in the country, & the pipelines
that bring it in (from upstate reservoirs), are *humungous* - something like
a 10' diameter, IIRC.  It always amazes me, that no matter which hotel I
stay in while in Manhattan & no matter which floor I'm on, that the water
pressure is so very good; great showers. :-)

Cathy

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> > Maybe I'm just a little bit hillbilly,
> > but going to NYC is just an amazing experience. Like being in another world.
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Cathy Friedmann - 08 Mar 2004 19:26 GMT
> >Same here! The diversity of this city is wonderful- not just in the
> >people, but in the architecture, the culture, everything. I heart NY.
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> *because* of the diversity. I always resolve *not* to look like such a tourist;
> not to look up all the time,

I still do often look up - because if you don't, you miss a lot of the very
cool architectural features.  Okay, there're are the general features of
some buildings, such as - IMO - the absolutely beautifully clean, soaring
lines of the RCA/GE (or whatever its name is these days!) bldg. in
Rockefeller Center, but on a more detailed level, also the varied &
intriguing friezes banding so many NYC buildings - often 2 - 3 stories up.
Or the gorgeous roofs on some of the buildings.  Or look _down_ in Rock.
Center - even the sidewalk gratings are beautiful.  Then there's the central
staircase w/ its intricate seasonal carvings at Bethesda Terrace in CP...

not to say thiings like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TEN
> BUCKS FOR A HAMBURGER???" Or act even vaguely curious about the genuine Rolex
> deals offered....or even stare at the squirrels in Battery Park. Which, BTW,
> don't look a thing like our squirrels. Maybe I'm just a little bit hillbilly,
> but going to NYC is just an amazing experience. Like being in another world.

It's also amazing to me, that though it's so big & can feel feel very much
big city-ish & therefore one can be so anonymous, that it's also the
"hometown" to so many people; that it feels very intimate to them.

Cathy

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Judy F - 07 Mar 2004 20:27 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message >
Same here! The diversity of this city is wonderful- not just in the
> people, but in the architecture, the culture, everything. I heart NY.
> :-)

And you can always find another interesting place to eat ;-)!!!!
Judy F
Mary - 06 Mar 2004 20:13 GMT
> circa Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:55:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
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>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568

Damn, I love those French doors and the living room with the
fireplace. You must pay a fortune for that. Gorgeous.
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:49 GMT
circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:13:18 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> Damn, I love those French doors and the living room with the
> fireplace. You must pay a fortune for that. Gorgeous.

Those are two of my favorite features. I'm very slowly replacing the
lighting and the "newer" bathroom fixtures- the lighting because it's
so ancient that I don't trust it, and the fixtures because they're
too cheap and generic. I'm also hoping to strip all the woodwork that
has been shamefully covered with white paint, which is ubiquitous in
NY, it seems. I'm going to lose the white and get some *color* in
this place. I just work such long hours that it has proven difficult
to get rolling on some of it.

As far as cost, it's kind of a relative thing. Housing cost are so
obscene here that all in all, I found a bargain. Yes, it's ten times
the price of what I lived in ten years ago, and yes, I still cringe
at how much I fork out each month, but it's still a steal in this
city.

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Mary - 07 Mar 2004 16:27 GMT
> circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:13:18 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
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> at how much I fork out each month, but it's still a steal in this
> city.

Well, Laura, I have given it some thought and I think your apartment
is
probably the most beautiful by my standards that I have every seen.
Way to go. If I ever come up and stay at Dottie's room at the
Algonquin I'll give you a holler and we'll have coffee. I mean it,
too. Last time I stayed up there it was in the village and I made
the mistake of turning on the kitchen light at 2am. (!)
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 17:24 GMT
circa Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:27:38 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> Well, Laura, I have given it some thought and I think your apartment
> is
> probably the most beautiful by my standards that I have every seen.

I do love this place; now I just need to get rid of all this damned
white paint everywhere! I've stripped down a bit of the woodwork in a
hidden corner with Peel Away (environmentally friendly restoration
goop), and it's just beautiful underneath. The biggest problem is
that there are about fifteen layers of latex paint on top of several
layers of oil-based paint, so I need to first use the latex Peel-
Away, and then I'll have to follow with the oil-based-paint
formulation. With the amount of woodwork in this place, it's a
daunting task.

> Way to go. If I ever come up and stay at Dottie's room at the
> Algonquin I'll give you a holler and we'll have coffee. I mean it,
> too.

It's a deal!

> Last time I stayed up there it was in the village and I made
> the mistake of turning on the kitchen light at 2am. (!)

Hahahahah! See a few nocturnal critters, did you? ;-)

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equalizer - 06 Mar 2004 20:23 GMT
>circa Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:55:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
>Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
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>
>Laura

Only you would have an entire room in your home called "Server Room" --
with its own bathroom!

You look like you're doing VERY well for yourself in your field. I'll
bet you took an apprenticeship under Cat Protector to learn so much
about IT.

eq -- running like hell......
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:53 GMT
circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:23:19 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
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> Only you would have an entire room in your home called "Server Room" --
> with its own bathroom!

Hey, I know on which side my bread is buttered! ;-)

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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 06:29 GMT
circa Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:23:19 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
equalizer <> (equalizer <>) said,
> You look like you're doing VERY well for yourself in your field. I'll
> bet you took an apprenticeship under Cat Protector to learn so much
> about IT.
>
> eq -- running like hell......

<snork> I missed this in my first response. Here's what I learned
about IT from CP:

1. Any idiot can claim to be a computer "expert".
2. See above.

;-)

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Mar 2004 01:14 GMT
> Only you would have an entire room in your home called "Server Room" --
> with its own bathroom!
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>
> eq -- running like hell......

LOL!

Meeeoooooooooowwwww........hissssssssss! (and the claws come out--in a funny
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Cathy Friedmann - 06 Mar 2004 20:30 GMT
I remember the pics from when you were just about to move; a beautiful apt!
Huge, too.

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> circa Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:55:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
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Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 02:53 GMT
circa Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:30:12 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> I remember the pics from when you were just about to move; a beautiful apt!
> Huge, too.

Yep, I'm in love with the place. I haven't done half of what I want
to do to it, but I still love it. :-)

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Mary - 07 Mar 2004 16:28 GMT
> Yep, I'm in love with the place. I haven't done half of what I want
> to do to it, but I still love it. :-)

I don't think I could rest until I'd bought the thing. But they
probably
wouldn't sell.
Laura R. - 07 Mar 2004 17:30 GMT
circa Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:28:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> > Yep, I'm in love with the place. I haven't done half of what I want
> > to do to it, but I still love it. :-)
>
> I don't think I could rest until I'd bought the thing. But they
> probably
> wouldn't sell.

Bingo. When I looked at the place, the super said that everybody who
came to see it wanted to buy it- but the owner isn't selling. I'm
hoping that once the entire place comes out of rent control/rent
stabilization, it'll go co-op. Right now, though, a lot of the
tenants have been here for forty years or more, so there are still a
lot of RC/RS units. Plus, this neighborhood is probably about to
become verrry tony as there is some significant development due to
occur about two neighborhoods over, so that will drive up the value
of the building even more. <sigh>

Then again, it's not like I have a hundred grand sitting in the bank
waiting to be a down payment. (And how depressing is it that a
hundred thousand dollars would be just a down payment?)

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Laura R. - 06 Mar 2004 17:36 GMT
circa Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:02:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> Check out these guys!
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
012049

A coworker sent me that photo and asked if they were my cats. :-)

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IBen Getiner - 12 Mar 2004 10:20 GMT
> Check out these guys!
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040301/480/nyr10103
012049

Oh... How sweet! A black cat and a white cat gettin' along!

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