Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2004
Trapping gone bad-long
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Cheryl - 02 Mar 2004 03:15 GMT I didn't want to post this. I felt so bad. I am still carefully choosing how to post this. The area I live in has a bad stray/feral problem. I rehomed three last year including Bonnie who I kept. With spring coming and more cats hanging around I set the trap again when I knew I had time Sat. morning to make a clinic run. I set out to catch a large b/w longish haired whose been hanging around for a while, eating from here, seen crossing the busy road often. S/he resembled Jake from last year so much that I thought they were littermates. I trapped him, took him to the clinic in the am and left him for neutering, shots, dewormer, combo test. At 5pm it was time to go pick him up, where I found out he was indeed a HE but he was already neutered. Ok, dumped maybe? When they told me he was already neutered, I said, good! I don't have a houseguest for the night (no surgery, no sedation) . No comments made, I thought nothing of it. When I got him home, I took the trap back around to the back deck where I trapped him and opened the trap to release him. He was reluctant to leave the trap so I covered it back up again and went inside to leave him alone to come out on his own. When he didn't after several minutes I got worried. He had been in a curled up position in this trap and he's a large cat and I thought maybe he was stuck. Keep in mind I haven't done this much, and I have never brought a cat straight home from the clinic with the intention to release him except in one case but that is another story I've already told. Slowly he started coming out of the trap. When he was fully standing, I realized that he was indeed sedated for his exam at the clinic, but it was too late to get him back and he wasn't coming back to me. He stumbled down the deck steps and ran to the fence he usually jumped over to get in my back yard. It took him two or three tries but he made it over. He ran (thank God) in the opposite direction of the main road (I was in tears and hysterics at this point thinking what have I done). He ran wobbly-wise across the road behind me (not a busy road) and fell a few times, got back up and ran more. He ran right into the yard of a house I could barely see through some woods but if he was a stray, he would have steered clear of humans right now. It was then that it became clear that he wasn't a stray, but lived there. Some of my neighbors know I trap strays to get them neutered but obviously not the ones who let their cats run free. I am relieved to say that I saw him tonight bouncing around playing in their yard at the edge of their property but I don't know if this was enough to scare him into staying away from me. Me. The one cats can trust and I f.cked up with this one. I didn't know they sedated him. In hindsight, of course they sedated him, to handle him. One more reason to keep your cats in. To keep them safe from me.
If you let your cats out, please please put a collar on them. I'm going to have to go door to door to find out who here has cats because my neighbors tell me I have many coming up to the feeding station these days. Kitten season coming up. I only want to prevent the strays from having kittens, I don't want to trap and have your pets sedated.
Karen Chuplis - 02 Mar 2004 03:46 GMT > If you let your cats out, please please put a collar on them. I'm going > to have to go door to door to find out who here has cats because my > neighbors tell me I have many coming up to the feeding station these > days. Kitten season coming up. I only want to prevent the strays from > having kittens, I don't want to trap and have your pets sedated. Well, it must be hard to tell and of course, you NEVER know when they have been abandonned house pets. I do think its a good idea to go around and find out who has cats and what they look like. You shouldn't feel so bad as you didn't do it on purpose! You were trying to help. He's OK and you know better and have a new plan. Nothing wrong with that.
Karen
Cheryl - 02 Mar 2004 04:03 GMT >> If you let your cats out, please please put a collar on them. I'm >> going to have to go door to door to find out who here has cats [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Karen I still can't get the sight of this gorgeous black and white cat stumbling home out of my head. There was even one point where he must have had to regroup and get his head together because he was laying in the road. I thought I'd killed him. From where I was watching him, I'd have to go back to the front yard and around to get to him, because I was inside the fence. Then he got up and went into the yard of where he must live. But Karen, he *looked* like a stray; battered ears from fights, he was dirty, matted-looking. I do not know my neighbors who apparently own him but I want so much to go bring them the paperwork from the clinic with the rabies tag, and the results of the combo test showing he is negative, but that could change if he runs loose. I also paid for his deworming, frontline (even though it is pre-season, heck it is in the upper sixties this week) and FVRCP. The way he looked I don't think he was up to date but I could be wrong; you know cats.
Diane L. Schirf - 02 Mar 2004 04:17 GMT > But Karen, he *looked* like a stray; battered ears from fights, he > was dirty, matted-looking. I do not know my neighbors who apparently own > him but I want so much to go bring them the paperwork from the clinic > with the rabies tag, and the results of the combo test showing he is > negative, but that could change if he runs loose. I would have no sympathy for these "owners." I found a cat like that once, and when I identified him through his rabies tag (out of date) and was told by the authorities in no uncertain terms I was to toss him outside and not take care of him per the owner's demands, I was besides myself. He was tattered and had a massive fight wound -- and was an unneutered tom to boot. Grrr.
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Karen Chuplis - 02 Mar 2004 05:00 GMT >>> If you let your cats out, please please put a collar on them. I'm >>> going to have to go door to door to find out who here has cats [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > upper sixties this week) and FVRCP. The way he looked I don't think he > was up to date but I could be wrong; you know cats. Well, he's GOT to be better off now than before!! At least he's doctored up for a while.
Karen
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 02 Mar 2004 04:03 GMT <snip>
>The one cats can trust and I f.cked up with this one. > I didn't know they sedated him. In hindsight, of course they sedated him, > to handle him. One more reason to keep your cats in. To keep them safe > from me. You *did not* f.ck it up. Firstly, you cared enough to care for a cat you thought was a stray. Secondly, you did not know he had already been sedated. It would have been great if the vet had mentioned that they had gone so far as to sedate him, but they didn't. And how could you have known? This was an unfamiliar cat--you didn't know his habits so for all you knew, he was a slow, rather docile cat.
> If you let your cats out, please please put a collar on them. I'm going > to have to go door to door to find out who here has cats because my > neighbors tell me I have many coming up to the feeding station these > days. Kitten season coming up. I only want to prevent the strays from > having kittens, I don't want to trap and have your pets sedated. Definitely talk to the owners of the cat you trapped and try to convince them to put a collar on their cat--or keep him inside (like that's a possibility!). And remember, *you did not f.ck up*. And least you tried, and you gave a damn.
rona (finger still smarting--ouch!)
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Cheryl - 03 Mar 2004 01:46 GMT > Definitely talk to the owners of the cat you trapped and try to > convince them to put a collar on their cat--or keep him inside (like > that's a possibility!). I know I will have to, at some point. I need to let them know their cat had vaccinations.
> rona (finger still smarting--ouch!) I hope it is better today!
equalizer - 02 Mar 2004 09:23 GMT >I didn't want to post this. I felt so bad. I am still carefully choosing >how to post this. The area I live in has a bad stray/feral problem. I <SNIP>
You didn't do a THING wrong! The goddamn morons who let him run free without a collar did. I also did TNR and rescue -- I haven't had to trap yet here, I did frequently before I moved when I lived near the feral colony that "produced" my 4 permanent cats.
Here, there's just a group of cats who may or may not be feral. I just know the males are intact and spraying. There's no identification on them at all. If they are owned, their owners are negligent, so I may soon trap them and TNR so I can be assured a kitten problem doesn't dev elope here.
If a moron is going to let their cat free-roam into other people's yards without any identification, they better be prepared to get Fluffy back with a few modifications......
eq
Willows - 02 Mar 2004 10:47 GMT Anybody who does trapping enough will eventually make a mistake, it happens to all of us in one way or another. You did the best you could and while I totally understand how you feel, I know I would have felt awful seeing him too, I also know that your hearts in the right place and remember all the others that still need your help. Take this and just learn from it, and keep going, they need you out there.
Cheryl - 03 Mar 2004 01:44 GMT Willows <Roseofraby@hotmail.com> dumped this in news:1078224280.827252 @ananke.eclipse.net.uk on 02 Mar 2004:
> Anybody who does trapping enough will eventually make a mistake, it > happens to all of us in one way or another. You did the best you could > and while I totally understand how you feel, I know I would have felt > awful seeing him too, I also know that your hearts in the right place > and remember all the others that still need your help. Take this and > just learn from it, and keep going, they need you out there. i'm a bit gun-shy now, but I'll do what I can. There are so many decisions to make! I once was called in to trap 4 females and all of their remaining kittens.. last summer. The woman feeding them couldn't afford to have the females spayed, and couldn't deal with all of the new kittens that resulted. A single tom fathered all of them and she said he was "owned" by one of her neighbors, but allowed to roam. I decided that if he ended up in a trap he was going to be neutered. Owner or no owner. He was trapped. Tested for FeLV/FIV mostly because of how he looked, otherwise TNR cats weren't tested. He was positive for FeLV on the ELISA. With resources at the clinic low, no IFA could realisticly be done. The decision came to me (the trapper) to decide if he lived. Since I knew he had an "owner" (out of town, no contact number, in fact no caretaker which was why he ended up on this woman's property to find food), I couldn't tell them to kill him so they released him to me and I released him after he was neutered, and down from the anesthesia. One of the seasoned trappers told me her decision would have been to euthanize him even knowing his "ownership status", plus he fathered so many kittens, many of whom he'd killed (males). After that experience, I talked it over with a trusted friend WRT results of the combo test with this cat since he was sort of tattered.
Trapping and neutering of stray/feral cats involves a lot of things that I would have never imagined. Keeping them fed and alive is the easy part. <sigh
Sherry - 02 Mar 2004 10:50 GMT >One more reason to keep your cats in. To keep them safe >from me. Cheryl, I just had to laugh at this line. I'm sorry. Quit beating yourself up. It's not your fault; the *#*@)@ owners should never be letting the cat roam in the first place. They're lucky some catlady trapped him for vetting instead of someone else trapping him to haul to the city shelter. Good job, though!! (Well, besides that pesky little detail about it being an "owned" cat....) I'm very proud of you and your efforts.
Sherry
Cheryl - 03 Mar 2004 01:26 GMT > Quit beating yourself up. It's not your fault; the *#*@)@ owners > should never be letting the cat roam in the first place. They're lucky > some catlady trapped him for vetting instead of someone else trapping > him to haul to the city shelter. lol @ cat lady, :) Thanks Sherry. I feel better now that I know he is ok.
Wendy - 02 Mar 2004 12:26 GMT > I didn't want to post this. I felt so bad. I am still carefully choosing > how to post this. The area I live in has a bad stray/feral problem. I [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > days. Kitten season coming up. I only want to prevent the strays from > having kittens, I don't want to trap and have your pets sedated. I don't think you did anything wrong. The vet should have mentioned that the cat was sedated. You indicated to them your intention to release him. At that point they could have/should have said to wait x amount of time before you do.
Are you sure he lives at the other house? Unless you saw him actually entering the house it might just be another place he hangs out.
W
Cheryl - 03 Mar 2004 01:25 GMT "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> dumped this in news:kbydnfrmI9zq4NndRVn- tA@comcast.com on 02 Mar 2004:
> Are you sure he lives at the other house? Unless you saw him actually > entering the house it might just be another place he hangs out. No I'm not positive. I haven't been up there. I don't want to make enemies and while some of my neighbors know what I'm doing, I'm not sure how someone whose cat was trapped by me will react to that. I am convinced he lives there because he ran straight there, and most cats who had been through being trapped, gone through what he did would more than likely hide from all humans; not seek one out.
Mary - 03 Mar 2004 06:20 GMT > "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> dumped this in news:kbydnfrmI9zq4NndRVn- > tA@comcast.com on 02 Mar 2004: > > while some of my neighbors know what I'm doing, Cheryl, I don't understand. Why shouldn't all of your neighbors know what you're doing?
Cheryl - 03 Mar 2004 15:15 GMT > > "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> dumped this in > news:kbydnfrmI9zq4NndRVn- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cheryl, I don't understand. Why shouldn't all of your neighbors know > what you're doing? I don't know a lot of my neighbors.
Kalyahna - 04 Mar 2004 02:18 GMT > > Cheryl, I don't understand. Why shouldn't all of your neighbors know > > what you're doing? > > > I don't know a lot of my neighbors. Have you ever put together a fact sheet, something to explain TNR and feral colonies and what you're trying to accomplish? You could try that, and go door to door to explain the risks to your neighbors' unattended pets (if they're trapped without identification,etc), maybe the local laws on stray animals? It's more work on your part, but at least you'll have the security of knowing -all- of your local peoples have been told (or warned), and you'll only be doing what you've already said you'd do.
Mary - 04 Mar 2004 16:20 GMT > > > Cheryl, I don't understand. Why shouldn't all of your neighbors know > > > what you're doing? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of knowing -all- of your local peoples have been told (or warned), and > you'll only be doing what you've already said you'd do. I think this is a good idea.
Cheryl - 04 Mar 2004 19:30 GMT > > > Cheryl, I don't understand. Why shouldn't all of your neighbors know > > > what you're doing? > > > > > I don't know a lot of my neighbors. It's more work on your part, but at least you'll have the security
> of knowing -all- of your local peoples have been told (or warned), and > you'll only be doing what you've already said you'd do. That is a good idea, thanks. I'll work on it.
Wendy - 03 Mar 2004 12:35 GMT > "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> dumped this in news:kbydnfrmI9zq4NndRVn- > tA@comcast.com on 02 Mar 2004: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > through being trapped, gone through what he did would more than likely hide > from all humans; not seek one out. I understand your reluctance after the fact. Do you have kids in the neighborhood? Sometimes the kids know more about what is going on than the adults. You may want to check with them and see what they know.
I tapped the "kid network" last fall to see if anyone knew who "owned" Boots' mom before we tried trapping her to get her spayed. Around here at least, the kid network is pretty good. We had a flop eared bunny show up in our backyard. It took about an hour to find the owner (she lived 3 streets over) and return the bunny. I asked the kids next door and they checked with their friends. It didn't take long for a neighbor down the street to call me with the owners name and number.
W
MacCandace - 03 Mar 2004 03:01 GMT << The one cats can trust and I f.cked up with this one. I didn't know they sedated him. In hindsight, of course they sedated him, to handle him. One more reason to keep your cats in. To keep them safe from me. >>
It's okay, it didn't have a bad ending. You didn't do anything wrong.
Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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