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Jay - 29 Feb 2004 17:02 GMT
Our young daughter moved out of the house to her Dad's house. (long
story) We decided that it was in the best interest of her cat, who
knows noplace else but our house, neighborhood and animals around to
remain with us. As well as her Dad having other animals, cats and
dogs, they also live fairly close to a major thouroughfair. Given all
this information we decided, for the welfare of the cat, to keep it
with us. Now, of all the absurd things, her Dad is threatening to sue
us for custody of the cat!!! Yes, really! We would like some
documentation that it in the cats best interest to remain with us.
Does anyone know who should we talk to or where we should go for
appropriate information?
Thanks
Jay
Dennis Carr - 29 Feb 2004 17:14 GMT
> Our young daughter moved out of the house to her Dad's house. (long
> story) We decided that it was in the best interest of her cat, who
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> this information we decided, for the welfare of the cat, to keep it
> with us.

Very wise, yes, though FWIW I would suspect that after a few days of
adjustment your daughter's cat will get along just fine.

> Now, of all the absurd things, her Dad is threatening to sue
> us for custody of the cat!!! Yes, really!

=O.o=

>  We would like some
> documentation that it in the cats best interest to remain with us.
> Does anyone know who should we talk to or where we should go for
> appropriate information?

DISCLAIMER: IANAL

A threat to sue is arbitrary, a suit for possession of a cat will probably
be directed to small claims.  Please don't consider it legal advice - take
it with a grain of salt.  My legal advice is this: talk to an attorney or
legal aid if you get served.

Simply put, familiarity breeds contentment, but the cats can adjust very
well. We moved from a studio to a one bed a couple of years ago, and had
no problem with the move above and beyond the fact that our cats (four of
them at the time - Aggie, the two orange cats, and one long haired black
with a locket who preferred to be left alone) spent a couple of days
readjusting. The circumstances are a bit different for you, but for
whatever this is worth, when we took in Neresse back in March 2002 (thus
increasing our population to five), the usual territorial disputes ensued
and quickly died down.  Our breeding activities are moot in this regard -
all the kittens grew up in house, thereby having the family being very
familiar with each other.

The thoroughfare is not an issue unless kitty spends any amount of time
outdoors.

In the end, though, you mention it's your daughter's cat.  It's my
staunch opinion that it should be left entirely up to her.  If she can
make the decision to move, she should make the decision about the cat.

I sincerely apologize if this is a disappointment, Jay, but I'm going off
of my own experiences and putting up theory.  

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Alison - 29 Feb 2004 19:36 GMT
> Very wise, yes, though FWIW I would suspect that after a few days of
> adjustment your daughter's cat will get along just fine.

But it might not . It's heck of a lot for a cat to have to go go
through, losing it's territory and moving to a strange house with
other cats and dogs. That's major stress and major insecurity.
The OP hasn't given many details, whether the cat knows the child's
father or if it is used to dogs.  All these facts  have to be taken
into account.
I just hope the OP really is fond of the cat and wants to keep it for
itself  and not just to use as a pawn .
Alison

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> http://www.dennis.furtopia.org      | But I have more fun that way.
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MaryL - 29 Feb 2004 20:22 GMT
> > Very wise, yes, though FWIW I would suspect that after a few days of
> > adjustment your daughter's cat will get along just fine.
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> itself  and not just to use as a pawn .
>  Alison

That's exactly what I thought.  The OP didn't mention the daughter's age,
but there was more than a hint about tension in the household.  All of this
might add up to the cat becoming a symbol of authority, *not* a greatly
loved companion.

MaryL
Hailey - 29 Feb 2004 21:46 GMT
> In the end, though, you mention it's your daughter's cat.  It's my
> staunch opinion that it should be left entirely up to her.  If she can
> make the decision to move, she should make the decision about the cat.
>
> I sincerely apologize if this is a disappointment, Jay, but I'm going off
> of my own experiences and putting up theory.

I agree. Her kitty, and if she is a responsible pet owner, he should be with
her. They belong to each other.
I am fast approaching the time when DD will move out and take her kitty with
her as well. Part of me hopes she will leave him here, where he's *always*
lived, but part of me knows he loves her and she loves him and they should
be together.
She is very responsible, however, cares for him and his welfare and does a
good job, so there is no inherent danger of his health or well being.
Hailey
MaryL - 29 Feb 2004 22:13 GMT
> > In the end, though, you mention it's your daughter's cat.  It's my
> > staunch opinion that it should be left entirely up to her.  If she can
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> good job, so there is no inherent danger of his health or well being.
> Hailey

One problem is that we don't know the daughter's age.  She was referred to
as the OP's "young daughter," but that could 7 or 17 ... or something
in-between.  We also don't know why the daughter moved.  That's none of our
business, of course, but may play a factor in the decision concerning the
cat.  And, finally, who normally feeds and cares for the cat?  That is also
an important factor.

MaryL
Hailey - 01 Mar 2004 01:42 GMT
> One problem is that we don't know the daughter's age.  She was referred to
> as the OP's "young daughter," but that could 7 or 17 ... or something
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>
> MaryL

Yep, all very good points, to be sure. My own *young* daughter is 17, :) and
I can't imagine her without James, though yeah, it might happen. It
sometimes does and that is sad. I think though, if the environment is safe
for kitty, and the daughter is old enough to accept full responsibility for
it's care (not vet, etc necessarily, but caring form him) then it *would* be
in the best interests of cat and girl to be together :)
Hailey
zuzu22@webtv.net - 29 Feb 2004 22:21 GMT
>I agree. Her kitty, and if she is a
>responsible pet owner, he should be with
>her. They belong to each other.

The daughter is obviously a minor, and it doesn't matter how responsible
she may be, ultimately what happens to the cat will be the decision of
the father. Considering his behavior so far I wouldn't send a cat away
to his house. The welfare of the cat is more important than the vendetta
the father obviously has against the people that have the cat now. The
environment is also clearly unsafe and would be stressful and not one
this cat should be in, especially considering the fact that she is happy
and safer where she is. Yes, the daughter might miss the cat, but
according to the OP there are lots of other animals at the new residence
that she can bond with. Ultimately the decision has to be based on what
is in the best interests of the cat, not on who has hurt feelings.

Megan

                                   
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Hailey - 01 Mar 2004 01:36 GMT
> The daughter is obviously a minor, and it doesn't matter how responsible
> she may be, ultimately what happens to the cat will be the decision of
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>
> Megan

IMHO it would depend upon her age, yes, but also saying the environment is
clearly unsafe is not exactly *clear* at all./ At least to me. ANY outdoor
environment is unsafe. We have no clue if her ex is planning on letting the
cat out. Or if she does for that matter.
And I was not considering anyone's hurt feelings. I was considering the
cat. And the girl. They *are* bonded or she would not be called the owner by
the OP. I realize it is sad but sometimes necessary to split them up, but I
hope this isn't the case here.
Just an opinion.
Hailey
Sherry - 29 Feb 2004 19:05 GMT
>Our young daughter moved out of the house to her Dad's house. (long
>story) We decided that it was in the best interest of her cat, who
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>Thanks
>Jay

Unless there is more information that you did not include, the fact that "Dad"
lives near a major thoroughfare and has other pets doesn't make it an unfit
home. Those are both workable situations if "Dad" is conscientious enough to
*make* it work.
On the other hand, is it possible that Kitty is simply being used as a pawn for
adult grudges? If so, and if you truly don't think it's a fit home, hold out
and *let* Dad spend his money on attorneys to reclaim the cat. He'll probably
give up before anything comes of it.
But, for appropriate information on how to present a case to a judge that you
are the rightful owner, you'll have to hire a lawyer of your own.
IMO, this sounds like a collosal waste of time and money.
How old iis the daughter? Old enough to have any say in the matter?

Sherry
Alison - 29 Feb 2004 19:27 GMT
> Our young daughter moved out of the house to her Dad's house. (long
> story) We decided that it was in the best interest of her cat, who
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> Thanks
> Jay

 Hi Jay,
    I'm sorry you are all in this situation. What sort of
documentation are you looking for ? Sonmething from a cat behaviour
book or a web site?
 From the cats point of view, I think he would be better off staying
where he is.
Alison
William Hamblen - 29 Feb 2004 19:44 GMT
>Our young daughter moved out of the house to her Dad's house. (long
>story) We decided that it was in the best interest of her cat, who
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>Does anyone know who should we talk to or where we should go for
>appropriate information?

Cats are property under the law.  The only legal question, given no
animal cruelty, is who owns the cat.  If the cat belongs to your
daughter, then she has every right to have her cat.  Give her back her
cat and don't use the animal as a weapon in a dispute with her father.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 29 Feb 2004 20:10 GMT
> Our young daughter moved out of the
> house to her Dad's house. (long story)
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> where we should go for appropriate
> information?

While the cat may in theory be considered to be your daughter's, she is
obviously a minor without the financial ability to take care of vet
visits, food and litter supplies, etc. If you have adoption records, vet
records, a rabies tag, license, etc. that list "you" as the owner of the
cat then the "Dad" really doesn't have a leg to stand on. In most states
cats are considered property and if you have records that prove you own
the cat he's likely  SOL.

This really sounds like he is being  jerk for the sake of being a jerk,
and is just trying to intimidate you. Let him sue, then you prove
ownership and be done with it. From what you describe I agree with your
assessment of what's best for the cat and your is a safre environment.
You should stick to your guns and not give the cat up. If you did and
she was killed by a car you would never forgive yourself.

In the meantime I would seriously consider making this cat an indoor
cat, otherwise there's nothing stopping him from coming over to your
house and making her "disappear."

Megan

                                   
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nothing."

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http://www.stopdeclaw.com

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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Wendy - 29 Feb 2004 21:45 GMT
Our young daughter moved out of the house to her Dad's house. (long
story) We decided that it was in the best interest of her cat, who
knows noplace else but our house, neighborhood and animals around to
remain with us. As well as her Dad having other animals, cats and
dogs, they also live fairly close to a major thouroughfair. Given all
this information we decided, for the welfare of the cat, to keep it
with us. Now, of all the absurd things, her Dad is threatening to sue
us for custody of the cat!!! Yes, really! We would like some
documentation that it in the cats best interest to remain with us.
Does anyone know who should we talk to or where we should go for
appropriate information?
Thanks
Jay

A couple questions. How old is the daughter? If the daughter is a minor who
aquired the cat for her? Has the cat ever been around other animals? How old
is the cat?

And a question I don't need the answer to but you should honestly consider -
What is your real objection to letting the kitty live with your daughter? Is
it really concern for the cat?

W

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