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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2004Male/Female dominance prob
Hi group, I hope someone here can help me with this. I have had two female cats, adopted from the shelter together, for about four years. Recently a male cat has adopted us. He is grown but still young, and we did have him neutered when he decided to stay with us. The two females tolerate him, one more than the other, but they don't really like him. Lately we have been having bathroom issues: *somebody* has been peeing on the bathroom rug and in the houseplants. I think we have figured out the problem. When the females are in the litterbox, the male sneaks up on them and attacks them as they are leaving it. So now they don't want to go to the litter box. I don't blame them. How do I fix this? Move the litterbox? Chunk the male outside every night? Teach the females to use the toilet? Cheryl > Hi group, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheryl How many boxes do you have? Is there an alternate place for them to go? Karen Two boxes, both in the upstairs tub, which is why it is so easy for the Troll to sneak up on them--they can't see him. All of them are indoor/outdoor cats though, and they go outside as well. I have toyed with the idea of putting a litterbox outside, but what if it rains? :-) Cheryl >>Hi group, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Karen > Two boxes, both in the upstairs tub, which is why it is so easy for the > Troll to sneak up on them--they can't see him. All of them are > indoor/outdoor cats though, and they go outside as well. I have toyed > with the idea of putting a litterbox outside, but what if it rains? :-) Are the litter boxes covered? If so, remove the covers. Now, your young male cat cannot be in two places at the same time. I'd suggest getting two more litter boxes, then place the four boxes you will have each in a different location in your home.  Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > Two boxes, both in the upstairs tub, which is why it is so easy for > the Troll to sneak up on them--they can't see him. All of them are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cheryl Hi Cheryl, You could dig over a patch of soil outside and the cats can use that . But why not move the boxes from the bath and position them in a place where they *can" see the Troll and won't get ambushed. Alison Thanks, Alison. Though we have a two-story house, our rooms are fairly small and there are not many places to have a litterbox. We used to have a box in our bathroom downstairs but Cleo kept waking us up at 5 am with loud and lengthy scratching. So: - I have put another litterbox in the guest room, which is otherwise crammed with stuff, but I really don't think that will work long-term because it is not far enough away from the other boxes. - I am going to buy some play sand and make an outdoor sandbox for them in the side yard. They are making a mess of the yard anyway. - I will raise the litterboxes in the tub with phone books or something so they can see Sullivan the Troll. I think his little game won't be as much fun if he can't sneak up on them. - AND, I really am going to try to train them to use the toilet. They are very smart and I think it would be nifty. Thanks to all who responded. If you have any more ideas, please keep 'em coming. Cheryl >>Two boxes, both in the upstairs tub, which is why it is so easy for >>the Troll to sneak up on them--they can't see him. All of them are [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > where they *can" see the Troll and won't get ambushed. > Alison > I have put another litterbox in the > guest room, which is otherwise crammed > with stuff, but I really don't think > that will work long-term because it is > not far enough away from the other > boxes. The point is not how far away the box is, but if there is an easy escape route in case the cat gets ambushed. A litterbox in a guestroom will not only allow the cat using it to see what's coming, but will probably give it some room so it doesn't get cornered. > - I am going to buy some play sand and > make an outdoor sandbox for them in the > side yard. They are making a mess of the > yard anyway. This is a bad idea. They will likely use it to urinate and defecate in, as will other neighborhood cats, and it will stink to high heaven in no time. > - I will raise the litterboxes in the > tub with phone books or something so [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > them to use the toilet. They are very > smart and I think it would be nifty. It's NOT "nifty." Training a cat to use a toilet should NOT be done and is completely unnatural. It could create MORE innappropriate elimination problems and also puts your cats at risk for serious injury and possible drowning if they were to be ambushed while trying to balance precariously on a slippery toilet seat. There are many reasons forcing a cat to use a human toilet is just wrong, and you can read more here: http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/toilettraining Last, but not least...ignore Iben Getiner. He is a well known troll who consistently posts reccommending the mutilation or discarding of pet cats. It would be a scary thing if you actually agree with anything he says. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > The point is not how far away the box is, but if there is an easy escape > route in case the cat gets ambushed. A litterbox in a guestroom will not > only allow the cat using it to see what's coming, but will probably give > it some room so it doesn't get cornered. Thank you. But this is precisely my point. The guest room adjoins the bathroom in question, so there would not be an easy escape route. I'm sorry I did not make this clear earlier. > This is a bad idea. They will likely use it to urinate and defecate in, > as will other neighborhood cats, and it will stink to high heaven in no > time. I'm afraid you misunderstood my intentions. I want a drainable, cleanable place for them to urinate and defecate that is outside and wouldn't matter if it rains. As it is, they are destroying my front lawn for this purpose. Moreover, the dog has recently taken to coprophagia and a cleanable sandbox would limit her opportunities, should the cats choose the sand instead of the front lawn. > It's NOT "nifty." Training a cat to use a toilet should NOT be done and > is completely unnatural. It could create MORE innappropriate elimination [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cat to use a human toilet is just wrong, and you can read more here: > http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/toilettraining Your opinion is duly noted, and I appreciate the time you took to help me out. I have a different opinion, and a modicum of common sense. I do not "force" my cats to do anything--the idea is laughable! :-) > Last, but not least...ignore Iben Getiner. He is a well known troll who > consistently posts reccommending the mutilation or discarding of pet > cats. It would be a scary thing if you actually agree with anything he > says. Thanks for the heads up. If he repeatedly posts this kind of message, I will put him in my killfile. However, in this instance, if Sullivan the Troll gets so aggressive toward my female cats that their mental or physical health is endangered, then I *will* find him a suitable home in another town. I will miss him, but, well, I run this house, not the Troll. Cheryl > > It's NOT "nifty." Training a cat to use a toilet should NOT be done and > > is completely unnatural. It could create MORE innappropriate elimination [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > me out. I have a different opinion, and a modicum of common sense. I > do not "force" my cats to do anything--the idea is laughable! :-) Leaving the "forcing" bit out of the deal... I did not look at the link to see what con reasons were enumerated there, but... Even though it *sounds* cool at first, it really isn't such a hot idea, for a variety of reasons. > > Last, but not least...ignore Iben Getiner. He is a well known troll who > > consistently posts reccommending the mutilation or discarding of pet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for the heads up. If he repeatedly posts this kind of message, > I will put him in my killfile. You may want to; depends upon you tolerance level. Without doing a Google search (& heaven forbid I relay the info just a bit off!), he has posted - among other inanities - that he doesn't tolerate a cat's kneading (IIRC, the cat was kneading on his wife) because (acc. to him) it meant the cat was having sex/masturbating, whatever. > However, in this instance, if Sullivan > the Troll gets so aggressive toward my female cats that their mental > or physical health is endangered, then I *will* find him a suitable > home in another town. I will miss him, but, well, I run this house, > not the Troll. Otoh, that's not the same as what IBen said, about turning the cat outdoors. Two of my cats did not get along, at *all*, for a l-o-n-g time - the older one was absolutely paranoid about the newcomer usurping her top-cat position. Despite a very, very careful & very, very s--l--o--w intro, she was still incredibly paranoid. The situation gradually became tolerable. It took about 2 years before the older one would be calm enough to eat in the presence of/next to the younger one. They are still - after 4+ years, not buddies (& may never be), but she now tolerates him. Times heals all, sort of deal. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon <snip> > Last, but not least...ignore Iben Getiner. He is a well known troll who > consistently posts reccommending the mutilation or discarding of pet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mutilation? Another lie! Prove it! You're the one who sponsors cruel and totally unnecessary mutilation upon the feline world. YOU go for the sexual mutilation thing. Unnecessary, cruel and barbarous, these 'spayings' and 'neuterings are.' Cruel in the extreme. And for what? For your convenience, that's what. If you're talking about declawing, yes... I highly recommend it. We had ours done front and rear when we got our new furniture. It was either that or out he goes. I wonder just what kind of a world we would have for cats if people like YOU ran the show... Instead of bringing in a cat and making it a pet, it would just have to go unadopted. Who could stand what they do to the furniture? Many little fellows and girls would meet a grim fate thanks to selfish liberals such as yourself. As long as it's legal, you've got nothing to say against me. IBen Getiner zuzu22@webtv.net wrote in message news:<25246-4042432E-170@storefull-3192.bay.webtv.net>... <snip> > Last, but not least...ignore Iben Getiner. He is a well known troll who > consistently posts reccommending the mutilation or discarding of pet > cats. It would be a scary thing if you actually agree with anything he > says. > > Megan Mutilation? Another lie! Prove it! You're the one who sponsors cruel and totally unnecessary mutilation upon the feline world. YOU go for the sexual mutilation thing. Unnecessary, cruel and barbarous, these 'spayings' and 'neuterings are.' Cruel in the extreme. And for what? For your convenience, that's what. If you're talking about declawing, yes... I highly recommend it. We had ours done front and rear when we got our new furniture. It was either that or out he goes. I wonder just what kind of a world we would have for cats if people like YOU ran the show... Instead of bringing in a cat and making it a pet, it would just have to go unadopted. Who could stand what they do to the furniture? Many little fellows and girls would meet a grim fate thanks to selfish liberals such as yourself. As long as it's legal, you've got nothing to say against me. IBen Getiner Well that's some convoluted logic. I think you just proved Megan's point. W > Hi group, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheryl Well, the solution to your problem is quite obvious to me. It's probably obvious to you too, except you just don't want to face it. Get rid of the male! We had a similar problem with a female we tried to introduce into the pride a few years ago. Our original cat (a male) was happy and innocent until we brought little Miss queenie into our home. After that, he spent all his waking hours keeping her isolated in one room of the house. This just so he could hang onto some semblance of normalcy from his former safe secure life. It could not go on, and I was very glad that we didn't go ahead and have her declawed right off. My wife had to make the "heartbreaking" decision that it just wasn't going to fly, and then I did my job: I booted her out of our house. Now, no more hissing fights at the litterboxes. No more intimidation. No more reason to excessively sent-mark. All is as it was before. We still feed the little creepette, but outside you know. IBen Getiner > Well, the solution to your problem is quite obvious to me. It's > probably obvious to you too, except you just don't want to face it. > Get rid of the male! > > IBen Getiner Thanks. I hope it won't come to that. I said to my husband this morning after he stepped on a wet rug in his bare feet, "Well, I think we have a dominance problem more than a bathroom problem." And he looked at me and said, "No..... THEY have a dominance problem. WE have a bathroom problem." So while I do not argue that your solution was the best for your household, in fact I commend you for your courage, I am hoping to solve both the cats' problems and mine! Cheryl circa Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:44:21 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl Rogers (cheryl@NOSPAMwilstream.com) said, > So while I do not argue that your solution was the best for your The post to which you are responding is a troll. Ignore it. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. I > > Well, the solution to your problem is quite obvious to me. It's > > probably obvious to you too, except you just don't want to face it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. I hope it won't come to that. IBen Getiner's been around before, & has pretty much proven himself to be a troll. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon I said to my husband this > morning after he stepped on a wet rug in his bare feet, "Well, I think > we have a dominance problem more than a bathroom problem." And he [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheryl > IBen Getiner's been around before, & has pretty much proven himself to be a > troll. Even if he weren't a troll his name tells you he's a moron, at the very least. > > IBen Getiner's been around before, & has pretty much proven himself > to be a > > troll. > > Even if he weren't a troll his name tells you he's a moron, at the > very least. Yeah, I pointed that out to him - that his user name, in itself, smacks of a trollish nature to me - when he first showed up & posted rather off-the-wall posts, perhaps intending to incite. He blew it off - my comment; as if the user name was nothing. Come to think of it - that, along w/ this thread's subject line, along w/ some of his previous posts... Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > > IBen Getiner's been around before, & has pretty much proven himself > to be a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cathy Oh, I see.... Then that would explain why my first posting in this group (Sept. 14th 2002) came TWO YEARS after my first posting using my Lappcatt name! What a friggin' moron. Here. Look for yourself, you simple-Simon Tweedle-Dee... http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=c6f07bc7.02091 41315.2a5c3858%40posting.google.com Also, I am reposting ME EXPLAINING TO YOU YOU about my name from way-back-when. It's the same story then as now, Oh touched one. From: IBen Getiner (Iappcatt@aol.com) Subject: Re: Hill's w/d for CRF??? View this article only Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Date: 2002-09-28 21:40:32 PST > Based on the content of a whole bunch of posts I've seen from IBen Getiner > (never mind his screen name in itself!) I'd put no store in any of his [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > -Jen > > If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled? The bit about my screen name... what's wrong with it? This is the second time someone's mentioned it. If it has something to do with the 'catt' in my address, I've been using that in one of two forms since 1999. I was lappcatt@webtv.net before I got a computer (had webtv then) and have been iappcatt@aol ever since (IBen Getiner has been a constant). Check out my posting history on Google.com if you don't believe me. Simply go there and then go to 'groups', then type in IBen Getiner. Enjoy. As far as my observation, I do feel that the animal is simple showing it's age. The kidneys usually go out first, don't they? Source: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=5XAr9.49504%24qb.4289 7%40nwrddc01.gnilink.net&scoring=d&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-885 9-1%26scoring%3Dd%26q%3Dlappcatt%40webtv.net%2Bcats See Lappcatt's 1st posting... 3/20/2000 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=8206-38D60AED-2%40storef ull-298.iap.bryant.webtv.net See....? Wrong again. Face it... You just don't like me because you know I'm smarter than you. IBen Getiner >Oh, I see.... Then that would explain why my first posting in this >group (Sept. 14th 2002) came TWO YEARS after my first posting using my >Lappcatt name! What a friggin' moron. I believe the issue has nothing to with the lappcat name. I see your name "IBen Getiner" as an abbreviation for: "I been getting her" or "I been getting in her". Both do not sound very nice to me. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >Oh, I see.... Then that would explain why my first posting in this > >group (Sept. 14th 2002) came TWO YEARS after my first posting using my > >Lappcatt name! What a friggin' moron. > > I believe the issue has nothing to with the lappcat name. Right. > I see your name "IBen Getiner" as an abbreviation for: > "I been getting her" or "I been getting in her". Yep. > Both do not sound very nice to me. Nope. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > >Oh, I see.... Then that would explain why my first posting in this > >group (Sept. 14th 2002) came TWO YEARS after my first posting using my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com You have a dirty mind. That's what your problem is, and I shall prove it. Men call everything 'her'. Ask a man hard at work removing a tree stump how it's going and you might here... "I'm a-gettin' 'er". Our cars are 'shes'. Our boats are 'her'. Our guns are 'shes'. We even label wimpy men as 'our wemen'. If I was 'IDunn Hadder', I'd say you have a point. But I'm not. I'm IBen Getiner. Your problem is, you don't understand the mindset of men. IBen Getiner > > IBen Getiner's been around before, & has pretty much proven himself > to be a > > troll. > > Even if he weren't a troll his name tells you he's a moron, at the > very least. I don't know you. But I will. > > Well, the solution to your problem is quite obvious to me. It's > > probably obvious to you too, except you just don't want to face it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cheryl Glad to have been able to help, Cheryl. It was a real problem with us too. We gave it a lot of time to boot, but to no avail. But cats being the pack animals that they are, they tent to have some real issues about territory. Good luck. Oh, one more thing. Be careful to give your original cats much affection and attention during this time. Otherwise, you might end up with a nasty cat bite out of jealousy. IBen Getiner > But cats being the pack animals that they are, Facetious? Straight? Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > But cats being the pack animals that they are, > > Facetious? Straight? > > Cathy Stupid? > > > But cats being the pack animals that they are, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stupid? If a 'straight' answer, yes. Or at least ignorant. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon circa Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:14:28 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > > But cats being the pack animals that they are, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stupid? You do have a way with the quips... :-) Laura SignatureQuoting: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. --Ambrose Bierce
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