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How to get a urine sample
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Judy F - 24 Feb 2004 21:17 GMT My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated and is now fine. It's about a month later and the vet asked her to bring in a urine sample to see how things were going. My question is how do you get a urine sample from a cat??? Judy F
DevilsPGD - 24 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT >My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated and >is now fine. It's about a month later and the vet asked her to bring in a >urine sample to see how things were going. My question is how do you get a >urine sample from a cat??? I've got a comforter on my bed that is sure to extract some urine... :(
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Judy F - 24 Feb 2004 23:02 GMT Come to think of it I have a carpet I could donate... Judy F
> >My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated and > >is now fine. It's about a month later and the vet asked her to bring in a > >urine sample to see how things were going. My question is how do you get a > >urine sample from a cat??? > > I've got a comforter on my bed that is sure to extract some urine... :( GovtLawyer - 24 Feb 2004 23:29 GMT >My question is how do you get a >urine sample from a cat??? It is not too difficult. Replace the kitty litter (in a clean litter box) with some torn up strips of paper; small enough and plentiful enough to simulate some litter. No need to make too much of it. Put a few magazines under one end of the box so that it tilits to the other end. Watch for when your kitty goes to the box. When he urinates the urine will run down to one end of the box; some of it, but not all, will be absorbed by the newspaper. Get a syringe (your vet should give you one) and draw up the urine in the syringe, and VOILA, you have a clean urine sample.
Judy F - 24 Feb 2004 23:57 GMT Thanks GL, I'll pass this along to my friend! Judy F
> >My question is how do you get a > >urine sample from a cat??? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (your vet should give you one) and draw up the urine in the syringe, and VOILA, > you have a clean urine sample. Brandy??Alexandre - 25 Feb 2004 00:35 GMT GovtLawyer <govtlawyer@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>>My question is how do you get a >>urine sample from a cat??? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Get a syringe (your vet should give you one) and draw up the urine > in the syringe, and VOILA, you have a clean urine sample. Why is it the owner is given the burden of getting the urine sample? Granted, my vet hasn't been able to get one because she pees in the carrier on the way over 99% of the time, but the other 1% took a swift and deft wielding on the needle and voila! Nice clean sample.
Cheryl - 25 Feb 2004 01:13 GMT > Why is it the owner is given the burden of getting the urine sample? > Granted, my vet hasn't been able to get one because she pees in the > carrier on the way over 99% of the time, but the other 1% took a swift > and deft wielding on the needle and voila! Nice clean sample. I wonder that, too. I had to try to catch a sample from Bonnie when she was only recently tamed and still semi-feral. I had finally got her into a carrier to take her to the vet and her bladder was empty which is typical when they have bladder/UTI issues because they empty it frequently. The morning I tried to catch a sample (and I used a clean litterbox with a shallow layer of gravel that you use for fishtanks) she spent hours in the room with me (vegging, watching TV) and she never went once. I still wonder why they didn't suggest letting me leave her with them so they could get the sample the correct way. She turned out to be fine after one round of ABs, but they never took a sample to test first.
Brandy??Alexandre - 25 Feb 2004 02:03 GMT Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > fine after one round of ABs, but they never took a sample to test > first. One of the reasons I left a vet that Kami had seen since I got her was because I left her to get a urine sample even though everyone pretty much agreed that she had a bladder infection. Apparently they tried continually throughout the day and into the morning upsetting her so much she became a beast (and she is downright beastly when she wants to be). They said they couldn't even get her out of the kennel. I thought it was riciulous. The cat doesn't even have claws for heaven's sake. Anyway, they got her out and thrust her back at me with antibiotics. Had they simply done that to begin with, they'd still have a client. Instead, the new vet got all the money after diagnosing CRF.
You know, this is probably a good question to ask a new vet. I found one with a decent looking web site that has separate dog and cat waiting and kennel areas. I should ask when she needs a urine test again, how do they intend to get it.
Laura R. - 25 Feb 2004 02:52 GMT circa Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:03:51 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> You know, this is probably a good question to ask a new vet. I found > one with a decent looking web site that has separate dog and cat > waiting and kennel areas. I should ask when she needs a urine test > again, how do they intend to get it. My current and former vets always simply extract(ed) the urine from Jacob's bladder (not to be confused with Jacob's Ladder <G>) with a needle.
Laura
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Sharon Talbert - 25 Feb 2004 21:03 GMT I was once asked to collect a urine sample from my cerebellar hypoplasia cat, Tipsy, who cannot take one normal step. Following instructions, I put her in a clean litterpan and sprinkled the nonabsorbent litter from the vet into the pan to help stimulate her. Right on cue, and from her usual prone position, Tipsy peed. Then she got up, slipped and fell on the unfamiliar surface of the nearly empty pan, got up, fell down, finally fell all the way out of the litterpan. The urine sample? It no longer existed in its liquid state; it was now completely absorbed into her long fur. Stupid me.
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GovtLawyer - 25 Feb 2004 02:15 GMT >Why is it the owner is given the burden of getting the urine sample? >Granted, my vet hasn't been able to get one because she pees in the >carrier on the way over 99% of the time, but the other 1% took a swift >and deft wielding on the needle and voila! Nice clean sample. > >I guess the vet could go through the abdoman and pierce the bladder. I'd prefer he not have to do it that way.
Diane L. Schirf - 25 Feb 2004 02:21 GMT > >I guess the vet could go through the abdoman and pierce the bladder. I'd > prefer he not have to do it that way. It sounds and seems horrendous, but both the late Pudge and the current Hodge had it done, and it was like most medical procedures -- horrifying to contemplate and in the half second it takes, but immediately forgotten and not as bad as it seems.
By the way, I like that all the veterinarians at my place do this sort of thing in front of me. No secrets.
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Laura R. - 25 Feb 2004 02:53 GMT circa Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:21:43 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Diane L. Schirf (delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com) said,
> > >I guess the vet could go through the abdoman and pierce the bladder. I'd > > prefer he not have to do it that way. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > By the way, I like that all the veterinarians at my place do this sort > of thing in front of me. No secrets. Ditto.
And the samples obtained this way provide more accurate testing, as well.
Laura
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GovtLawyer - 25 Feb 2004 05:31 GMT >It sounds and seems horrendous, but both the late Pudge and the current >Hodge had it done, and it was like most medical procedures -- horrifying [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >By the way, I like that all the veterinarians at my place do this sort >of thing in front of me. No secrets. I've had vets do it to my cats; however, this was only as a last resort when I was unable to get a proper sample. Isn't it preferable that a person try to collect a sample, as the technique has been described, rather than simply going to the vet and using a needle?
Brandy??Alexandre - 25 Feb 2004 19:53 GMT Diane L. Schirf <delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> >I guess the vet could go through the abdoman and pierce the >> >bladder. I'd [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > By the way, I like that all the veterinarians at my place do this > sort of thing in front of me. No secrets. Mine did that, too. I don't mind helping to hold her or anything. Yeah, Kami is my baby and I snuggle and cuddle, but I've held enough animals for my dad to do procedures that I can compartmentalize the events. At least when I'm the one holding Kami, I am there to immediately comfort her after it's over. I'm not so sure she compartmentalizes it as well as I do. ;)
The most interesting one was when they were drawing blood. I had heard about cats getting their leg or neck shaved for it, but these guys just squirt with alcohol and you can see the veins underneath. Neato! :)
J1Boss - 25 Feb 2004 20:23 GMT >>> >I guess the vet could go through the abdoman and pierce the >>> >bladder. I'd >>> prefer he not have to do it that way. The bladder can be expressed pretty simply with just a properly placed squeeze.
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Laura R. - 26 Feb 2004 00:01 GMT circa 25 Feb 2004 20:23:47 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, J1Boss (j1boss@aol.com) said,
> >>> >I guess the vet could go through the abdoman and pierce the > >>> >bladder. I'd > >>> prefer he not have to do it that way. > > The bladder can be expressed pretty simply with just a properly placed squeeze. *If* it's relatively full.
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Diane L. Schirf - 26 Feb 2004 02:50 GMT > > The bladder can be expressed pretty simply with just a properly placed > > squeeze. > > > *If* it's relatively full. Pudge and Hodge never were cooperative about that. :)
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Elizabeth Blake - 25 Feb 2004 02:32 GMT > >My question is how do you get a > >urine sample from a cat??? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (your vet should give you one) and draw up the urine in the syringe, and VOILA, > you have a clean urine sample. A couple of years ago my vet said he wanted me to bring in a urine sample from Tiger. I can't remember why. Tiger, who is now almost 14, has always gone to the bathroom once a day (24 hours). No more, sometimes less. She was ALWAYS that way. When the vet asked for the sample, I told him that would be difficult to obtain because when Tiger did go, it was almost always in the middle of the night. He told me to get a clean, empty box. She refused to use it. He told me to put a little gravel in one end. She refused to use it. He told me to lock her in the bathroom and not let her out until she went. On her third day, she finally peed a little bit. The gravel in the box wasn't much, and certainly wasn't absorbent, but it still held in most of the urine. I got some into a little jar but it wasn't much and looked pretty dirty by the time I got it in. I gave up. I think he wanted the sample for some routine testing, it wasn't like she had an infection, so I wasn't worried. But I hate to think of a time when I do really need to get a sample from her. The vet said that he could extract urine but he would only do it in a dire emergency. I'd say three days without urinating is pretty dire. Poor Tiger.
Liz
wumpy - 25 Feb 2004 00:02 GMT > My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated and > is now fine. It's about a month later and the vet asked her to bring in a > urine sample to see how things were going. My question is how do you get a > urine sample from a cat??? > Judy F Hi Judy F,
I've never had to do this and was thinking that if I ever did, I'd just take Matilda to the vet for an "overnight" and let her do it.
Anyway, I just did a search on collecting this type of sample and found this.
http://www.helpinganimals.org/ARTICLES/sample.htm
I think I'd go with the dried lentils. :c)
Judy & Matilda
Frank - 25 Feb 2004 01:15 GMT Shazam! Learn something everyday. Thanks.
> > My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated > and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Judy & Matilda Judy F - 25 Feb 2004 13:49 GMT Thanks Judy and Matilda for the great article! I'm forwarding it to my friend as soon as I type this! I think that although it's easier to bring your cat into the vet, sometimes it's so traumatic for the cat, it's better to try to get the sample at home. Judy F
> > My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated > and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Judy & Matilda angstrom11@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2004 05:17 GMT > My friend's cat had a problem with crystals in his urine. He was treated and > is now fine. It's about a month later and the vet asked her to bring in a > urine sample to see how things were going. My question is how do you get a > urine sample from a cat??? > Judy F I went to some cat vets so that part they did not screw up.
Was rather simple. They gave me a little purple bottle which had some clear little plastic beads in it.
I took an empty litter box, and put the plastic beads in the litter box. This simulated something for the cat, like sand or dirt, something to scratch. She peed and I tipped the box into the little purple bottle.
What the vets did not say was that it was best to analyze the sample within 30 minutes. They also did not say how a high fat diet for crystals in the urine could lead to stones. Lots of miscommunication, about as bad as with human doctor's offices. Too quick.
But the urine sample was easy using this method.
If the sample cannot be analyzed quickly, it can be kept in the 'frig overnight.
I think because these vets only did cats, they had the little sample thing ready from reading through this thread which did not mention this - or I did not see it.
I would be reluctant to use newspaper or what else but it depends on the reasons for sampling. If looking only for crystals or blood, then that stuff would not contaminate? If looking for bacteria? The thought of the needle does sound bad but it depends on the vet. I'm not too sure I would trust all vets if it's just as easy with the beads and the sample bottle.
Ask the vets about the beads and the sample bottle and to be specific about what they are doing. In my case, it was difficult since I was doing this for someone else and their cat. I was angry at the lack of communication and told off the vet. She said we tell all our clients. And I said basically, I was there, we were not told about feeding too much of the special diets. It was horrible since the people I was doing this for - well they had little sympathy for their own cat and I was trying to save the cat. Sorry to go off on a tangent but this urine sample brings back snotty, yuppie vets who are just that and nothing more. Not to mention irresponsible cat owners.
Anyway you can take a urine sample pretty easily if the vet gets off his or her a.s and explains how to go about it. ANd you don't need gravel, newspaper or other such potentially contaminating substances?
Barb - 25 Feb 2004 17:20 GMT I place a sheet of plastic like from the dry cleaners over the litter. When the cat steps in it still feels pretty much like litter and a nice puddle will be left. I sop it up with a medicine dropper. You can get those in a drugstore if you don't have one lying around. With three cats I do have to keep watch to get the sample from the correct cat. Saran wrap also works.
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Brandy??Alexandre - 26 Feb 2004 02:35 GMT Barb <bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> I place a sheet of plastic like from the dry cleaners over the > litter. Kami would eat it.
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