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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004For Those Who Want To Peacefully Discuss Cats
I am not trying to cause a flame war here but I thought I would post these links for those who love cats but are tired of the personal wars now invading this newsgroup. Here are a couple of forums where you can discuss cats without all the flame wars Cat Galaxy Forum- You can discuss cats there and it is moderated. The link is http://groups.msn.com/CatGalaxy. The cat people are friendly and care about cats. There is not only a message area to post to but also a chat room where cats and cat lovers can meow to each other. You can also post pictures of felines as well. Cat Fancy Community- This one is friendly and has lots of great discussion of cats. In fact it covers many of the same topics we have discussed here. You can find this at: http://www.catfancy.com/anforum/. There is no chat room though. So for those who want to gather for some friendly discussions about cats without all the wars then I'd check the forums out. Meow!  SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com >I am not trying to cause a flame war here but I thought I would post these >links for those who love cats but are tired of the personal wars now [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >where cats and cat lovers can meow to each other. You can also post pictures >of felines as well. Translation: "Catgalaxy is the site I run. Hence -- I am the moderator, and will control all content. I am free to continue on this site with my style of zero accountability of what I say and do. While there, you can also check out the CatGalaxy store and buy merchandise from me". eq >Cat Fancy Community- This one is friendly and has lots of great discussion >of cats. In fact it covers many of the same topics we have discussed here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >So for those who want to gather for some friendly discussions about cats >without all the wars then I'd check the forums out. Meow! >Translation: "Catgalaxy is the site I run. Hence -- I am the moderator, >and will control all content. I am free to continue on this site with my >style of zero accountability of what I say and do. While there, you can >also check out the CatGalaxy store and buy merchandise from me". > >eq Maybe that's why 98% of the posts are his. It was kind of sad. There were two posts; one introduction and one very long, detailed onee, asking for help with CRF. The "moderator" didn't bother replying to either one. He could have at least directed the poster here, where there are so many posters knowledgeable about CRF. Sherry equalizer <> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>I am not trying to cause a flame war here but I thought I would >>post these links for those who love cats but are tired of the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>about cats without all the wars then I'd check the forums out. >>Meow! LOL! I noticed posts that go unanswered. When you want to take your toys and leave for your own little personal kingdom, you take on the responsibility to answer questions that others do not. People come to a group for help and information, and the King has to provide it if the minions are, shall we say, scant. Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticise them. You're a mile away, and you have their shoes. So they cant chase you. >Before you criticise someone, >you should walk a mile in their shoes. >That way, when you do criticise them. You're a mile away, and you have their >shoes. So they cant chase you. Jack Handey? >Before you criticise someone, >you should walk a mile in their shoes. >That way, when you do criticise them. You're a mile away, and you have their >shoes. So they cant chase you. Master. You are wise, indeed. >Before you criticise someone, >you should walk a mile in their shoes. >That way, when you do criticise them. You're a mile away, and you have their >shoes. So they cant chase you. Very funny! Nobody is criticizing. This thread is peaceful and is giving people options. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Before you criticise someone, > you should walk a mile in their shoes. > That way, when you do criticise them. You're a mile away, and you have their > shoes. So they cant chase you. >Nobody is criticizing. This thread is peaceful and is giving people options. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quite laughable, despite how pathetic this is.......... eq circa Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:08:07 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > Nobody is criticizing. This thread is peaceful and is giving people options. It's called "humor", numbnuts. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >Nobody is criticizing. This thread is peaceful and is giving people options. Just to make 100% sure that newbees (sp?) understand why there have been so many negative replys to the original message...Cat Protector (CP) has gotten into some heated discussions that might be classified as flame wars of his own. I, personally, was not aware of that when I got into a discussion with him. I would have handled the situation differently if I had known about this at the time. The fact that he has, and the fact that he failed to disclose that he owns and runs the catgalaxy web page that he pointed people to, caused some people to criticize him. That said, I invite people to visit his site, it's not bad, and I have nothing against what I have seen of his efforts on the site. For what it is worth: the fact that CP has gotten into flame wars and the fact that he owns the Catgalaxy web page, are indeed facts. I assumed that people are criticizing him for not disclosing the ownership because severel of them actually mentioned this. Read the replys and make your own judgement, mine is strictly my opinion. Oh jeeze! Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a peaceful thread into a flame war? What does it matter who owns what? I hadn't realized some of you were running for public office. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > > >Nobody is criticizing. This thread is peaceful and is giving people options. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >Oh jeeze! Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a >peaceful thread into a flame war? What does it matter who owns what? I >hadn't realized some of you were running for public office. Since this reply was indented below what I wrote, may I assume the "some of you" was specifically referring to me, and perhaps some others? The fact that it was posted immediately after my post, and not until I posted, further suggests it was directed at me, at least partly. Because of that, I will reply. Perhaps you do not think it is necessary to disclose that you have a financial interest in a product, service, etc that you are recommending, but the FTC and the SEC, among others, say that it is manditory in many cases. (Reference your statement "What does it matter who owns what?") The typical opinion of those in Western countries also says that this is an obligation, not just an option. I do not know the opinion in non-Western countries. What part of my post was inciting a flame war? Since you have just accused me of doing so (I think), I believe this to be an important question. The only part of my post that was not 100% fact was VERY clearly stated as my personal opinion. Also, I do not believe it was said in either a disrespectful or insulting way. I ask you to provide direct quotes if you disagree. FYI, CP, this is exactly how flame wars start. If you had disclosed your ownership of the site that you were touting, there would have been no critisism. Once the issue was raised, if you had simply said something like "I acknowledge that the web site that I recommended is owned and operated by me and that I should have disclosed that in the initial post" this would have ended, peacefully. "Running for public office?" Where did that come from and what does it mean? I do not understand how you came up with that reference at all. It sounds like you are trying to start a flame war, now doesn't it? LOL One example of a reply that you could have posted instead of this one is "I did not think that the fact that I own the web site was critical to disclose. I simply wanted to inform those who didn't know about it, that it was a place to go where all are treated with respect and dignity." That would have made your point and not been provocative, as your actual reply was. You could have made your point without being disrespectful. Perhaps that is what "peaceful" is all about, huh? In my post, I stated that you have a good web site. Perhaps the fact that I was supporting the site escaped your attention. In my original post, I tried to be as respectful as possible because you and I have a history of disagreement. I was trying to explain the situation to newbees by being as factual as one could be. Discussing differences by stating facts as facts and opinions as opinions without disrespect are part of a good discussion. Interjecting personal insults, stating opinions as facts, repeatedly failing to answer direct questions, changing the subject, and bringing up issues that are only designed to stir people up are characteristics of a bad discussion and/or a flame war. I guess you have proof of your accusations? Yeah Cat Galaxy is my Site but that is hardly a secret since most if not all know it belongs to me, Isis and Jade. I think you are posting to insight a flame war. If you don't want to come to the forums I suggest, then that is fine. I was giving people alternatives to this group because it seems like yourself and others are using this newsgroup for your own personal attacks on people. You can say you aren't and act all noble but that wouldn't be the truth. If you believed in the truth so much then why does your email addy say none@none.com? I think I'll just killfile you as it'll be much easier. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Since this reply was indented below what I wrote, may I assume the > "some of you" was specifically referring to me, and perhaps some [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >I guess you have proof of your accusations? Yeah Cat Galaxy is my Site but >that is hardly a secret since most if not all know it belongs to me, Isis [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >in the truth so much then why does your email addy say none@none.com? I >think I'll just killfile you as it'll be much easier. I will answer your two questions though, even though you failed to even try to answer mine. It looks like this conversation is going nowhere and I won't participate in that for very long. First you asked "I guess you have proof of your accusations?" I have NO idea what you are referring to. Please QUOTE my supposed accusations and I will answer that question in a very direct manner. You then asked "If you believed in the truth so much then why does your email addy say none@none.com? " The answer is 1. what does speaking the truth have to do with having an anonymous e-mail address? and 2. This has nothing to do with this disucssion, but I have it because I do not want to be SPAMed any more that I already am. I choose to not divulge my e-mail address. That is totally acceptable on usenet and is very common. The address is very clearly not valid, I did not try to disguise the fact that I didn't divulge it. It does not indicate any dishonesty. As always, if you have FACTS to the contrary, not just opinion, please post them. Why did you even bring this question up, it seems to cloud the discussion instead of clearifying anything. It also seems to be the kind of personal attack that you imply you are against. As I stated in another discussion with you where you tried to change the subject by attacking me personally: I will also not divulge my gender, age, national origin, religion, race, color, height, weight, hair color (if any), blood type, sexual preferences, marital status, physical handicaps, social security number, imigration status, draft status (if any), home address, telephone number, political party affiliation, job title, ISP name, etc. unless they are germain to the discussion and I feel it appropriate to do so. Why on earth would those possibly be important in this discussion? Only if they helped explain my point of view would they be important. If you believed my previous post to be "your own personal attacks on people" then post quotes that support that opinion. I have come to understand this is your M.O. and I choose not to participate in a discussion if you choose to attack instead of "discuss." Your statement actually was the personal attack and it is not even close to being true. Reference my previous post on what constitues a valid discussion. If you disagreed with my opinion of a discussion versus a flame war, why not state the disagreement and why you disagree? You failed to answer the questions in my post or to directly comment on ANY of my statements. One may only assume that you didn't have facts to back up your statements or you would have given them. Facts are NOT opinions and visa versa. I would have some respect for more of your opinions if you gave such facts to back them up. It is interesting to note that I HAVE posted some things that are complementary toward you. I have never seen you acknowledge those. Why is that? Oh, by the way, please provide one, just ONE, instance of my saying anything disrespectful to anyone here (with two exceptions), no matter how much I disagreed with them. I will admit to one disrespectful post to a person who APPEARED to be a troll asking for monetary donations. I will also admit to one post, but only one, to you personally, that contained some VERY mild disrespectful statements. There were strong extenuating circumstances to that one that I do not want to re-open only becuase they went on too long as it is. I too, could have killfiled you a long time ago. I didn't because I hoped that you had something to contribute. Some of your posts on various subjects are good, some even quite good. Your web site is also good. How about discussing facts and remaining respectful as I have done with you? >I will answer your two questions though, even though you failed to >even try to answer mine. It looks like this conversation is going >nowhere and I won't participate in that for very long. It's very admirable that you've taken the time to compose a thoughtful, rational post explaining your position to CP. However, your first mistake is assuming that CP will read it. He doesn't, trust me. He reads the first couple of lines, then fires off an inane reply. CP has an obvious problem; I'm not quite sure whether he is developmentally disabled or just plain obtuse, or just likes to piss people off. . Anyhoo, it's a waste of the fingers to try to reason with him. You made a very good, patient effort though. Sherry circa Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:45:21 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > I guess you have proof of your accusations? Yeah Cat Galaxy is my Site but > that is hardly a secret since most if not all know it belongs to me, Isis [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in the truth so much then why does your email addy say none@none.com? I > think I'll just killfile you as it'll be much easier. Cue Twilight Zone music... SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > If you believed > in the truth so much then why does your email addy say none@none.com Ahem, get a grip. To avoid spambots. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ That wasn't the point. He posts as if he were running for public office and simply must put down the other candidates. Some with fact and some with stuff that comes from the ground in left field. It seems fan is throwing out accusations with little or no basis. If one wants to go to the other forums to see what they are like that's cool. But if you don't then you don't need to make an issue of it. Who cares who owns it or runs it. You simply just don't go. I myself am tired of all the fighting and personal insults that some are slinging in this newsgroup. It seems some have decided that starting threads attacking someone else is the way to go. How does attacking someone personally really help? All you will do is chase people away. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Ahem, get a grip. To avoid spambots. circa Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:51:35 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > It seems some have decided that > starting threads attacking someone else is the way to go. How does attacking > someone personally really help? All you will do is chase people away. Step away from the crack pipe. Slowly, now, nice and smooth. Now go dunk your head in a nice big tub of cold water, you nit. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. CP, I didn't know you were on crack!! Oh nevermind, I just realized that Laura wrote that post. > circa Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:51:35 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. >CP, I didn't know you were on crack!! Oh nevermind, I just realized that >Laura wrote that post. Oh Jeeze, Laura -- you had to say 'crack', didn't you? That's just like yelling 'beer!' at an AA meeting. Brought Christina right in! Christina -- there's no crack here -- you'll have to blow the nice pusher man to get yourself a fix! eq >> circa Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:51:35 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >> Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> I am Dyslexia of Borg, >> Your a.s will be laminated. circa Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:48:21 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, equalizer <> (equalizer <>) said, > >CP, I didn't know you were on crack!! Oh nevermind, I just realized that > >Laura wrote that post. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > eq <snicker> Low five. :-) SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. I'm not but I also don't have time to personally attack others like she does. Does she even have a job? SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > CP, I didn't know you were on crack!! Oh nevermind, I just realized that > Laura wrote that post. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > > Your a.s will be laminated. circa Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:04:37 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > I'm not but I also don't have time to personally attack others like she > does. Does she even have a job? BWWWAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!! Yes, I do, unlike either of you. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Diane L. Schirf <delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> If you believed >> in the truth so much then why does your email addy say none@none.com > > Ahem, get a grip. To avoid spambots. For that matter, why isn't "Cat Protector" using his real name? Idiotic argument. > >Oh jeeze! Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a > >peaceful thread into a flame war? What does it matter who owns what? I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > until I posted, further suggests it was directed at me, at least > partly. Because of that, I will reply. A fair warning: Having a logical discussion w/ CP can be virtually impossible. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon >> >Oh jeeze! Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a >> >peaceful thread into a flame war? What does it matter who owns what? I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >A fair warning: Having a logical discussion w/ CP can be virtually >impossible. Right, and his very typical reply proved that once again. But for his/her part, "fan" made quite an admirable attempt at a rational discussion, although, as you warn, the attempt was proven fruitless. >From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net >Oh jeeze! Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a >peaceful thread into a flame war? What does it matter who owns what? I >hadn't realized some of you were running for public office. No, I think only your cat is running for public office <g> Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:13:01 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > Oh jeeze! Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a > peaceful thread into a flame war? What does it matter who owns what? I > hadn't realized some of you were running for public office. And now fan sees why you're widely considered a complete nutjob. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Can't some of you go five minutes without personally turning a > peaceful thread into a flame war? I felt like that about you when you turned my disagreement with you about what some TV star said into me somehow being the guy's biggest fan (that's the ONLY possible reason I would disagree with you, apparently, not because you might be wrong), even though I didn't (and don't) know who the guy is and was just commenting on what he said. That's why this kind of comment from you is so amusingly ironic. Lessons learned. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > I felt like that about you when you turned my disagreement with you > about what some TV star said into me somehow being the guy's biggest fan > (that's the ONLY possible reason I would disagree with you, apparently, > not because you might be wrong), <snip> No, no, no, Diane! Apparently *I'm* his biggest fan! And I was lucky enough to get kf'ed over my fictional (or should I say CP's delusional) liking for the guy :-D! rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** >Translation: "Catgalaxy is the site I run. Hence -- I am the moderator, >and will control all content. I am free to continue on this site with my >style of zero accountability of what I say and do. While there, you can >also check out the CatGalaxy store and buy merchandise from me". Exactly. It's not really a discussion forum if all the posts are from the moderator. I've looked at that forum--it's really just CP talking to himself. Yngver <yngver@aol.comnospam> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>Translation: "Catgalaxy is the site I run. Hence -- I am the >>moderator, and will control all content. I am free to continue on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > from the moderator. I've looked at that forum--it's really just CP > talking to himself. Actually, if you enter "cats" into the MSN message baord search, you find TONS of cat related groups and certainly more active in and interesting that CatProtector's self-homage. Just an example, there is http://groups.msn.com/CatscatsanddidImentioncats/home.htm which is really quite charming. GROW UP! I thought this was about CATS..,., Come on now, how can you fall out about CATS... Some of you here, need De'clawing. I live in UK and we don't do sxxt like that to cats, but humans, that's different! Any how I'm off only been here a week, and your a grumpy lot, that's for sure. > GROW UP! > I thought this was about CATS..,., [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any how I'm off only been here a week, and your a grumpy lot, that's for > sure. Slow down, Papa! for one thing, nobody can tell who you are talking to. Always include a snippet of the post to which you are referring. circa Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:09:23 -0000, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, mooninpappa (mich@mooninpappa.com) said, > GROW UP! > I thought this was about CATS..,., [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any how I'm off only been here a week, and your a grumpy lot, that's for > sure. Er, to whom are you speaking and what are you referencing? Have you heard of "context"? No? How about "threading"? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. I think it is easy for some to simply ignore the topic of cats and go for another's human throat. That is why I posted about the other forums. There doesn't seem to be any fighting on them and many are simply there because of their love of cats. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > GROW UP! > I thought this was about CATS..,., [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any how I'm off only been here a week, and your a grumpy lot, that's for > sure. >That is why I posted about the other forums. There >doesn't seem to be any fighting on them and many are simply there because of >their love of cats. Well, I'd guess the reason there isn't any fighting there is because you are the only one who ever posts there. Although I guess I wouldn't put it past you to fight with yourself in your own little forum. >GROW UP! >I thought this was about CATS..,., [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Any how I'm off only been here a week, and your a grumpy lot, that's for >sure. For my part in this mess, my appologies to you. Perhaps knowing some background about this issue will help you to understand our current frustration and help you realize that we are not really that bad. What started this whole sorid affair, at least for me, is my taking offense at some statemtments by Cat Protector (CP) shortly before you joined us. I claimed that the statements were untrue and were hurtful and insulting to a group of people who are very dedicated and generous in their work on behalf of cats and other companion animals. I told CP the real facts and asked him to appologize to those that he offended. He refused to even acknowledge that he said anything that was insulting. My opinion was, and is, that if you say that one group of people is kind, caring, helpful, resourceful, etc. but another group is not, you had better be able to provide a lot of facts to back up that statement. That seems rather simple to understand, I thought. I happen to belong to the group that CP stated is either devoid of or lesser in compassion and effectiveness (my words, but his meaning.) Because of my affiliation and experience with them, I knew that several of his statements were not true. With every post, CP changed the subject, portrayed his personal opinions as absolute fact, and refused, repeatedly to answer my direct questions. We went back and forth with neither side backing down. As I understand it, this is not the first time such a thing has happened with CP. I am relatively new here myself so it was before my time. Much of the time, he seems to be an intellegent and caring person. Please read the entire thread, from the start, to get a better idea why so many of us took exception to his statements. Perhaps now, with that background, you will forgive those of us who appear grumpy. We will try to be nicer in the future :-) > With every post, CP changed the subject, portrayed his personal > opinions as absolute fact, and refused, repeatedly to answer my direct > questions. Haha! Dueling morons! Sorry, darling, but you ought to know better than to try. >> With every post, CP changed the subject, portrayed his personal >> opinions as absolute fact, and refused, repeatedly to answer my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Haha! Dueling morons! Sorry, darling, but you ought to know better >than to try. I probably should be offended at being called a moron, but I got quite a laugh out of that :-) In my defense, I am new enough to these groups that I did not know the history of such attempts at reason. Besides, I'm a slow learner, LOL. You also might have given one classic definition of insanity..."Doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting the outcome to be different." Dueling morons, I'm still chuckling. > >> With every post, CP changed the subject, portrayed his personal > >> opinions as absolute fact, and refused, repeatedly to answer my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I probably should be offended at being called a moron, but I got quite > a laugh out of that :-) Actually, you shouldn't. You have a healthy sense of humor! Sometimes I cannot resist what I think is a funny line, even when it sounds meaner than I mean it. If that makes sense. (Oscar Wilde once said that he loved one liners so much that he might "stab his best friend in the back for the sake of writing an epigram on his tombstone." Of course Oscar would not be Oscar if he did not exaggerate!) There was no venom in it, just the point about not bothering with CP. Mark Twain is the one who said something to the effect of "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. In my defense, I am new enough to these groups > that I did not know the history of such attempts at reason. > > Besides, I'm a slow learner, LOL. You also might have given one > classic definition of insanity..."Doing the same thing over and over > and over and expecting the outcome to be different." Great definition of a relentless optimist, too. :-) circa Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:15:51 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Fan (none@none.com) said, > . As I > understand it, this is not the first time such a thing has happened > with CP. I am relatively new here myself so it was before my time. > > Much of the time, he seems to be an intellegent and caring person. Boy, you really *haven't* been here long, have you? The boy is about as bright as a 25-watt bulb in a blackout. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > I am not trying to cause a flame war here but I thought I would post these > links for those who love cats but are tired of the personal wars now [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > So for those who want to gather for some friendly discussions about cats > without all the wars then I'd check the forums out. Meow! Silly little coward. You never could stand up to a fight.. IBen Getiner
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