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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004Friends for 2 years now enemies!
Hello, I have a problem and needs some advice. I have two Abyssinian's, one about 6 months older than the other. The older is a male, the younger a female (both de-sexed). We've had both from kittens. These two have been best of friends of 2 years, playing together, sleeping together, meow for each other if we lock one in a room or something. You get the idea. Today they were on a supervised outside trip (they rarely go outside, when they do it's fully supervised and they just walk about the back yard). All of a sudden they started fighting, serious fighting not just hissing etc. They have NEVER done this before. After breaking them up, the older one (who I think is starting it) just tries to attack the other one. I have the many many scratches to prove the seriousness. He wasn't scratching or biting me, I was just in between them and he wanted to get the other one, hence the reason I got scratched. Anyway, we've separated them (otherwise they'd just try and kill each other) and it's been a few hours and they still want each other's blood. I have no idea what happened outside to start this, but they have turned from the best friends to the worst enemies. I need some advice on how to make sure they get back to normal. I'm hoping they'll get over it. Any advice or words of wisdom would be greatly appreicated. Thanks, Ross circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:56:06 +1100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ross Irvine (rirvineDOT@netspaceDOT..DOTnet.DOT.au) said, > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Any advice or words of wisdom would be greatly appreicated. My guess would be that this is misplaced aggression from either seeing or smelling another cat while they were outside. I'd treat them almost as if you were introducing them to each other for the first time. Separate them for a couple of days, then let them get a peek at each other through a cracked-open door or something and see if they're still rattled. If so, I'd do it totally as if they were new cats to each other- week or two long introduction, the whole thing. Laura  SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Thanks for the tips Laura. I'll give it a go. Regards, Ross. > My guess would be that this is misplaced aggression from either > seeing or smelling another cat while they were outside. I'd treat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Ross Ross, perhaps something outside frightened the older cat, or there was a scent that aroused some sort of unpleasant emotion. I once knew two dogs, that if you stepped on one's paw accidentally while they were both underfoot at the dinner table, she would bite the other dog. I think I would keep them separated until they are both totally calm ("time out" the older one in a room with his own box and food for a few days) and nix the outside adventures. After they are inside cats for long enough, some cats do not want to go out and some cannot handle it. Good luck. I have always wanted an Abyssinian, but they rarely show up at shelters! > > Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > Ross The previous posts have given you the best advice, and you might also try Feliway (you can order it online, or some vets have it). It's supposed to calm cats by introducing a synthetic version of a pheromone that has a familiar scent to the cats. Good luck with your cats and let us know how it goes! Judy F Hi Judy, > The previous posts have given you the best advice, and you might also try > Feliway (you can order it online, or some vets have it). It's supposed to > calm cats by introducing a synthetic version of a pheromone that has a > familiar scent to the cats. Good luck with your cats and let us know how it > goes! I'll stick to the time-out approach before I try the drugs. But it's good to know there is something out there if it gets that bad. Thanks, Ross. Hi Mary, > Ross, perhaps something outside frightened the older cat, or there was > a scent that aroused some sort of unpleasant emotion. I once knew two [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for long enough, some cats do not want to go out and some cannot > handle it. Good luck. I'm continuing the "time-out" approach until they're going to be nice to each other again. > I have always wanted an Abyssinian, but they > rarely show up at shelters! I used to be a dog man (and was never a big fan of cats) but these two have totally changed me. All those Aby sites that say "They are not lap cats" are wrong. These two like nothing better than to just be with you 24/7 including sitting on your lap for a tummy rub. Thanks for the tips. Ross. circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:59:54 +1100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ross Irvine (rirvineDOT@netspaceDOT..DOTnet.DOT.au) said, > I used to be a dog man (and was never a big fan of cats) but these two > have totally changed me. All those Aby sites that say "They are not lap > cats" are wrong. These two like nothing better than to just be with you > 24/7 including sitting on your lap for a tummy rub. Well, if you decide that they need a vacation, send 'em my way. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:59:54 +1100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Ross Irvine (rirvineDOT@netspaceDOT..DOTnet.DOT.au) said, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Well, if you decide that they need a vacation, send 'em my way. :-) And mine! One for you and one for me! > I'm continuing the "time-out" approach until they're going to be nice to > each other again. Good! Let us know how it works out. > > I have always wanted an Abyssinian, but they > > rarely show up at shelters! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cats" are wrong. These two like nothing better than to just be with you > 24/7 including sitting on your lap for a tummy rub. Ahhh! And that in such a perfectly lovely breed. Heaven. > Thanks for the tips. You're welcome. I hope your kids are good buds again soon. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Ross Ross, I agree with what Laura wrote. In addition, I suggest you try some Feliway (used for behavior modification) and rub down each with the same cloth so that their scents will be distributed to each other. From now on, could you keep them as indoor-only cats to prevent a similar reaction? MaryL Hi Mary, Judy also talked about this drug. But I'll leave it as a last resort at this stage. They're not going outside for a looonnnngg time.. Thanks, Ross. > Ross, I agree with what Laura wrote. In addition, I suggest you try some > Feliway (used for behavior modification) and rub down each with the same > cloth so that their scents will be distributed to each other. From now on, > could you keep them as indoor-only cats to prevent a similar reaction? > > MaryL circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:03:21 +1100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ross Irvine (rirvineDOT@netspaceDOT..DOTnet.DOT.au) said, > Hi Mary, > > Judy also talked about this drug. But I'll leave it as a last resort at > this stage. > > They're not going outside for a looonnnngg time.. Ross, feliway is not a drug. It is a synthetic pheremone, and its usage is external only. :-) http://www.feliway.com/ Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Hi Mary, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ross. Ross, this isn't a drug. Feliway comes in a spray version (to spray in the air, not on the cat) and in a plug-in dispenser so that measured amounts will be continuously dispense through the day (which I think is preferable). I used it when I wanted to introduce Holly and Duffy, and it helped greatly. I still use it to spray inside the cat carriers about 20 minutes before we leave for the vet, and I used a couple of dispensers when I went on vacation last summer and had a pet sitter take care of my furbabies. I ordered mine through www.valleyvet.com. Feliway is a pheromone used to reduce stress. You can read about it at these locations: http://www.placervillevet.com/feliway.htm http://www.feliway.com/ http://www.moggies.co.uk/html/feliway.html MaryL circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:01:01 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said, > www.valleyvet.com. Hey, Mary, you answered my other question- this place has Cosequin, for 16.95 for 80 tabs. That is significantly more reasonable than the $119.00 I found it priced for last night. Thanks! Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Laura, The best price I've found for Cosequin for cats is here: http://vetmeddirect.com Type Cosequin cats into the search box and then scroll down to the second result. You can get 4 boxes for about $50. With shipping included it averages about $14.50 a box. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:04:09 -0600 (CST), in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, zuzu22@webtv.net (zuzu22@webtv.net) said, > Laura, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > second result. You can get 4 boxes for about $50. With shipping included > it averages about $14.50 a box. Excellent, thanks! Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:04:09 -0600 (CST), in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav, zuzu22@webtv.net (zuzu22@webtv.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Laura Hi Laura, Megan was going to be my source of information for you, but I see she already beat me to it. I always call on her when I have any questions about medications for cats (or any other treatment) -- she is a superb source of cat knowledge. MaryL circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:32:16 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said, > Megan was going to be my source of information for you, but I see she > already beat me to it. I always call on her when I have any questions about > medications for cats (or any other treatment) -- she is a superb source of > cat knowledge. That she is. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Laura, Biovets.com has Cosequin for 13.50 for 80 tabs! My vet charged me about $25 for the same amount!!! Judy F > circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:01:01 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Laura circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:43:20 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, > Laura, > Biovets.com has Cosequin for 13.50 for 80 tabs! My vet charged me about > $25 for the same amount!!! Wee haw! Thankie! Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated.
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