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Sean Hotaling - 14 Feb 2004 17:12 GMT
Are there different levels of neutering a cat? I have 4 male cats that
have been neutered and one of them still sprays from time to time.
This one cat that sprays was done by a vet overseas before I got him.
One time I noticed when he was cleaning himself he had an erection, is
this possible from a neutered cat and do some cats still spray when
neutered?  I thought the process removes all the sex organs in the
male, could it be possible he only had something like a vasectomy?
Thanks, Sean
Laura R. - 14 Feb 2004 17:35 GMT
circa 14 Feb 2004 09:12:09 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sean
Hotaling (atlow8@yahoo.com) said,
> Are there different levels of neutering a cat? I have 4 male cats that
> have been neutered and one of them still sprays from time to time.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> male, could it be possible he only had something like a vasectomy?
> Thanks, Sean

Neutered males can still spray and can still obtain erections. Was he
neutered at an older age? Sometimes the spraying behavior is a result
of that. To the best of my knowledge, nobody performs vasectomies on
cats- neutering is castration (removal of the gonads).

Laura
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Phil P. - 15 Feb 2004 10:59 GMT
> Are there different levels of neutering a cat? I have 4 male cats that
> have been neutered and one of them still sprays from time to time.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> neutered?  I thought the process removes all the sex organs in the
> male, could it be possible he only had something like a vasectomy?

As strange as it may seem, its possible your cat was vasectomized.  You said
the problem cat came from overseas.  Some European countries strongly oppose
neutering.  I may be wrong, but I think neutering animals is actually
illegal in Germany - at least that's what I've heard.

Easy enough to determine whether or not your cat was vasectomized ...
although you might feel a little nuts (literally) checking... ;)

In the US,  vasectomies are usually performed only for  catteries and
research colonies.  Vasectomized males are used to induce ovulation in
cycling females -- which  reduces the number and duration of estrous
periods.  We've  used vasectomized males in an experimental program in a
feral colony with some success.

Since vasectomy doesn't produce the behavioral changes associated with
neutering (decreased roam?ing, aggression, and urine marking), vasectomy
provides no benefit  for privately owned pet cats.

Phil
Sharon Talbert - 17 Feb 2004 21:03 GMT
> In the US,  vasectomies are usually performed only for  catteries and
> research colonies.  Vasectomized males are used to induce ovulation in
> cycling females -- which  reduces the number and duration of estrous
> periods.  We've  used vasectomized males in an experimental program in a
> feral colony with some success.

More, please, on the experimental program.

Sharon Talbert
Friends of Campus Cats
Carola Schwabe - 26 Feb 2004 07:16 GMT
> As strange as it may seem, its possible your cat was vasectomized.  You said
> the problem cat came from overseas.  Some European countries strongly oppose
> neutering.  I may be wrong, but I think neutering animals is actually
> illegal in Germany - at least that's what I've heard.

You've heard complete nonsense. Neutering cats is for most people in
Germany a matter of course.
Laura R. - 27 Feb 2004 03:44 GMT
circa Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:16:44 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Carola Schwabe (carola.schwabe@firemail.de) said,

> > As strange as it may seem, its possible your cat was vasectomized.  You said
> > the problem cat came from overseas.  Some European countries strongly oppose
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You've heard complete nonsense. Neutering cats is for most people in
> Germany a matter of course.

Hey, now, don't be messing up this thread with stuff like factual
information... ;-)

Laura
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Mary - 27 Feb 2004 05:13 GMT
> circa Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:16:44 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Carola Schwabe (carola.schwabe@firemail.de) said,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Hey, now, don't be messing up this thread with stuff like factual
> information... ;-)

Really. I hate when that happens. Damned Germans. ;)
Phil P. - 29 Feb 2004 09:30 GMT
> circa Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:16:44 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Carola Schwabe (carola.schwabe@firemail.de) said,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Hey, now, don't be messing up this thread with stuff like factual
> information... ;-)

What about you're un "factual information"!  LOL!

"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a98264c3f99250698a434@news.verizon.net...

To the best of my knowledge, nobody performs vasectomies on
> cats-

Wrong.

You really can't handle being corrected by me! LOL!  How many times does
this make?  Oh yeah, I'm a misogynist for correcting you - right psycho?
LOL!
Peggy L - 15 Feb 2004 18:58 GMT
> Are there different levels of neutering a cat

The youngest member of my family, Pirate, had one testicle that was
slow to descend. Fortunately, it did descend completely when he was
about 6 months old and I was able to have him neutered with no issues.

However, my vet said that, had the second testicle not descended, it
could have been VERY difficult to locate and remove. The "hidden"
testicle would then have then been producing testosterone and would
have caused him to act like an unneutered male.

I don't know that this is the case with your cat, but it is a
possibility. From what my vet said, I don't think there's a lot you
can do about it.  :(

Peggy L.

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Sharon Talbert - 17 Feb 2004 21:12 GMT
I somehow missed the original posting on this subject so don't know the
specifics, Peggy, but your case made me remember Orlando, a kitten we
rescued who didn't have testicles at all!  The vet even opened him up
looking, poor little guy.

Sharon Talbert
Friends of Campus Cats
Liz - 15 Feb 2004 22:41 GMT
> Are there different levels of neutering a cat? I have 4 male cats that
> have been neutered and one of them still sprays from time to time.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> male, could it be possible he only had something like a vasectomy?
> Thanks, Sean

I have seen neutered males having an erection and even trying to
copulate with a female in heat. Sexual behavior is not dependent
exclusively on ovaries or testicles. A neutered animal can respond to
sexual stimulus, for instance, the call of a female or licking his
parts. Just check to see if he has his testicles. If he does, he was
vasectomized. If he doesn´t, he was neutered.
IBen Getiner - 02 Mar 2004 09:31 GMT
> Are there different levels of neutering a cat? I have 4 male cats that
> have been neutered and one of them still sprays from time to time.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> male, could it be possible he only had something like a vasectomy?
> Thanks, Sean

Neutering is a barbaric and totally unnecessary procedure. Another
example of what the abortion-minded hypocritical left will do in the
name of science and 'good will'.
You people are all monsters, I tell you. Hideous monsters.

                              IBen Getiner
IBen Getiner - 04 Mar 2004 09:37 GMT
> Are there different levels of neutering a cat? I have 4 male cats that
> have been neutered and one of them still sprays from time to time.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> male, could it be possible he only had something like a vasectomy?
> Thanks, Sean

Cruel beast. Listen to the alarming nonchalant way that this person
reels off the details of the horror. You people are insane. You claim
to love your pets but just listen to yourselves! Just think about what
you're doing. You're twisting a cat royally in the worse conceivable
way and you're keeping your Vet vacationing in the Caribbean during
the summer. That's what you're doing.

                           IBen Getiner

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