Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004
depressed.. need inspiring stories about successfully introducing new cat
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RW - 12 Feb 2004 10:28 GMT i believe i have failed at introducing my new cat arwen into the household (has one existing cat). too depressed to give the details now but i'm starting all over again as of today. would like to check if any of you have posted long, detailed success stories about introducing a new cat to a one-cat household, something like a day by day diary, OR if you know of a site that has such detailed guides. i have read articles about inroducing cats but they are generally brief and i believe i followed the instructions properly (vanilla, rubbing with towl, keeping apart, short supervised visits, etc). i now am going to start all over again, having done more research, and adding feliway (which i didn't have before), but am hoping for inspiring stories to read and encourage me as i start from the beginning again. if you've posted your story before, could you please post the name of your cat so i can look it up in google groups? thanks..
Karen Chuplis - 12 Feb 2004 11:41 GMT > i believe i have failed at introducing my new cat arwen into the > household (has one existing cat). too depressed to give the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > post > the name of your cat so i can look it up in google groups? thanks.. Google MaryL and Duffy. She has a great detailed post and pics.
Karen
andr0meda - 12 Feb 2004 12:34 GMT I am one who tried very hard and didn't make it. I know a few here will be annoyed at me 'coming out'; but the truth is, sometimes it isn't worth trying. However, I did find a great 'substitute' cat-family to adopt the subjects in mind, and everyone is HAPPY) After all, it is the cat's well-being, not our attitudes that matter. Andr0:)
> i believe i have failed at introducing my new cat arwen into the > household (has one existing cat). too depressed to give the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > post > the name of your cat so i can look it up in google groups? thanks.. MaryL - 12 Feb 2004 13:53 GMT > i believe i have failed at introducing my new cat arwen into the > household (has one existing cat). too depressed to give the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > like a day by day diary, OR if you know of a site that has such > detailed guides. I wrote a fairly lengthy description introducing Duffy to Holly. It might include information that would help you. Let me know if you would like me to send it to you via e-mail.
MaryL (take out the litter to reply)
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
MaryL - 12 Feb 2004 14:15 GMT I decided to send the document I mentioned before I leave for work. I used the e-mail address posted with your message. However, my message bounced back with a "delivery failed" message. I will be happy to send it again after I return home this evening if you will send a valid address to me. My address linked to this message is valid except that you will need to *take-out-the-litter* first.
MaryL
MaryL - 12 Feb 2004 14:34 GMT Once again, I should have read more carefully. The "message failure" I received says that my document is too long for your box or your box is too full. I suspect it is the latter because I have mailed this same document to other hotmail users. Please send e-mail telling me how you would like to receive the document (if you want it). I'll check back this evening.
Above all, don't give up on your kitty. You simply need to commit time and patience and work through this slowly. I can see a real sense of companionship between my two furbabies now.
MaryL
RW - 13 Feb 2004 00:38 GMT hi MaryL
i have googled Duffy and Holly and read your web site as well as your post on introducing the cats. Have also emailed you seperately... need to ask, at any time during the introduction did your cats fight ? Also, Duffy sounds like a sweetie - it sounds like Holly was the dominant cat? (you mention on your web site she hissed to establish that she was queen) For me, it is the other way around, unfortunately.
I was wondering if anybody else could recommend a book on introducing cats as well. I did some more browsing and found a URL someone recommended : http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ptthinkcat/?msg=13954.1
I would like to purchase or borrow a detailed book on this kind of situation (with chapters on difficult introductions) if there is one. I'm not giving up on this cat ... but my husband doesn't really like her, mostly because he is protective of our resident cat and really loves her, and he has already started suggesting we give her back. I have started the seperation again, and they have not seen each other for about 2 days except for when I opened arwen's room to feed her (caught a glimpse), and then again when I switched rooms for a short stint for resident cat to spend time in arwen's room (i had to hold resident cat in one arm and let arwen out with the other door, etc).
thanks for the suggestions
> Once again, I should have read more carefully. The "message failure" I > received says that my document is too long for your box or your box is too [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > MaryL MaryL - 13 Feb 2004 02:12 GMT > hi MaryL > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > thanks for the suggestions I re-posted the message I wrote about introducing Duffy and Holly (basically a compilation of what you may already have read). This time, it seems to have gone through. I don't have any books to recommend, but here are some Internet sources you might want to check: http://www.catcaresociety.org/intro.htm http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/catintro.htm http://www.cuhumane.org/topics/catcat.html http://www.methuen-mspca.org/petcare/htm/catintro.htm http://operationnoblefoster.org/catsanddog.htm http://www.catsinternational.org/ (library of articles)
Yes, Holly was the dominant cat -- *very* dominant. We used to call her "the black tornado" because she would attack every other cat in her vicinity. The funny thing is that now that Holly and Duffy have become friends, it is usually Duffy who pounces on Holly and chases her around. It's always playful attacks, though. Once in awhile, Holly will turn around and pounce on him -- just to show Duffy she's still *top cat,* I guess. Actually, it would be hard for me to identify either of them as the true alpha cat now. They get along beautifully, and dominance seems to change from time to time.
No, my cats did not get into any actual fights. However, you will see from the message I sent to you that I did a *very* slow and gradual introduction. I think that is essential! In your case, it is important for you to separate the cats and start all over again from the beginning.
MaryL
RW - 13 Feb 2004 11:21 GMT > I re-posted the message I wrote about introducing Duffy and Holly (basically > a compilation of what you may already have read). This time, it seems to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > MaryL Hi MaryL
THanks for everything. I will go through and post questions here if i have any. I have started the seperation again and will take it slowly. But reading your post above - i actually have to wonder whether what I'm witnessing is fighting: arwen makes this weird ambulance sound (rreeeeOOOOOWOOOOOEEEEEeeee0) while staring intensely at resident cat (very intense, the word "evil" has come to witnessess' minds), resident cat looks back hissing, then arwen starts after rc, they pick up speed and arwen sinks her paws into rcs back or body, but not teeth, there's (i can't see if claws are out) slapping and rc claws or slaps back, then i SEE FUR in the air. i also picked up a tiny clump of hair ATTACHED TO SKIN. is that fighting or "playing" ? i don't see any blood or bald spots on either cat but RC is SO furry to start with. what i know is, arwen LIKES us humans but appears not to like having RC around. if RC so much as crosses her path she starts that rreeeOOOOwww and staring thing. but she's the GUEST CAT - she's supposed to be SHY. it's probably fighting.. right?
i look forward to reading the sites you recommended, and your email.
Yngver - 13 Feb 2004 17:52 GMT >But reading your post above - i actually have to wonder >whether what I'm witnessing is fighting: arwen makes this weird [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >that rreeeOOOOwww and staring thing. but she's the GUEST CAT - she's >supposed to be SHY. it's probably fighting.. right? Yes, that's fighting. We've been going through the same thing for the past six months. We adopted a stray cat, and she and one of our other cats just do not like each other. Our older cat, whom we always thought of as a big coward, turned into the aggressor eventually. Three times we've had to treat the new cat for scratch wounds that swelled up and she licked them into a bloody mess. I wish I could say it's getting better--we thought it was--but the latest scratch was just a couple weeks ago.
Our problem is that our older cat gets furious when the new cat invades her territory--things like playing with one of her toys, drinking from the water bowl she considers hers, or sleeping in one of her favorite places. Okay, I realize this isn't very helpful to you, but on the other hand our third cat just stays out of the whole thing. So one out of two of our original cats have gotten used to the new one. The most they ever do is offer a token hiss when walking by each other, but they don't fight and most of the time share things amicably.
A book I'd recommend is Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat. There's a long chapter on how to introduce cats successfully. Unfortunately we didn't follow it but we originally planned to adopt out the new cat to a friend.
Another thing you could try is Feliway, a feline hormone spray or diffuser you can buy at Petsmart or similar. I think it has helped somewhat, at least in the room we have the diffuser installed.
KellyH - 13 Feb 2004 20:21 GMT You might also want to read Dr. Nicholas Dodman's book, "The Cat Who Cried for Help". There are a couple of chapters that deal with cat integration.
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> > I re-posted the message I wrote about introducing Duffy and Holly (basically > > a compilation of what you may already have read). This time, it seems to [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > i look forward to reading the sites you recommended, and your email. Laura R. - 14 Feb 2004 04:18 GMT circa 13 Feb 2004 03:21:17 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, RW (newmarr@hotmail.com) said,
> i actually have to wonder > whether what I'm witnessing is fighting: arwen makes this weird [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > claws or slaps back, then i SEE FUR in the air. i also picked up a > tiny clump of hair ATTACHED TO SKIN. is that fighting or "playing" ? That doesn't sound like play.
Laura
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MaryL - 14 Feb 2004 04:25 GMT > >> Hi MaryL > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > i look forward to reading the sites you recommended, and your email. Yes, what you have described is fighting. It is not at all like the "pouncing" I described (or intended to describe) between Holly and Duffy. One of them (usually Duffy) will pounce on the other, they will roll around for a very short time, then break free, and often do it again. But it is not aggressive as you described. They often play in a way that reminds me of the childhood game of "pattycake." They will sit facing each other, each will raise a paw high, and they slap each other's paws 3 or 4 times. Again, it lasts for a short time, and in each of these situations they will stop quickly and will end when one of them turns and moves away or possibly when they each drop to the floor and lie down close to each other. Duffy will often drop to the floor in front of Holly and wave his front paws at her in a sort of invitation to play. They may leave some loose fur on the carpet as they roll around, but I have *never* seen fur simply flying or fur attached to skin. The sound you described, the intense staring, etc. -- all of this sounds like fighting. And being the "guest cat" does *not* mean that Arwen would necessarily be shy. I described Holly as a "black tornado" in past when she would *violently* attack other cats. This happened when I visited my sister in another state for several weeks and took Holly with me. The resident cats were totally intimidated and Holly took the offense. We had to keep them completely separate when I visited. It was after that that I learned I had made all sorts of mistakes by trying to put the cats together too soon. In fact, I learned a lot about what *not* to do. Likewise, I think it is very important for you to completely separate your cats at this time and start all over again -- very slowly and gradually.
MaryL
RW - 14 Feb 2004 18:13 GMT > Yes, what you have described is fighting. It is not at all like the > "pouncing" I described (or intended to describe) between Holly and Duffy. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Likewise, I think it is very important for you to completely separate your > cats at this time and start all over again -- very slowly and gradually. yes i agree about starting over - we are about three or four days into re-starting and are doing complete seperation.
so much of what i'd originally read about introducing cats tells you to prepare for your resident cat to be aggressive to the new cat that i hadn't expected it to go the other way around. thanks for your advice, i've also replied to your email.
Luvskats00 - 12 Feb 2004 18:41 GMT I did post 2 months ago - and got some good advice, some contradicting advice and some nasty posts, too. Basically, I was sleep deprived and was ready to adopt the new cat out. Today, the cats do sleep together sporadically and both are purrballs. I love 'em.
RW - 14 Feb 2004 18:15 GMT > I did post 2 months ago - and got some good advice, some contradicting advice > and some nasty posts, too. Basically, I was sleep deprived and was ready to > adopt the new cat out. Today, the cats do sleep together sporadically and both > are purrballs. I love 'em. hi, i've read your post about this (is it the one where the cat was defacating on your bedspread, and something to do with paper litter?) i was wondering if you posted an update from then till now, i.e. how did it gradually get to the point of them sleeping together, what a lovely goal for me... i actually dreamt my two cats made kissy noses to each other a few days ago. how depressing to wake up LOL.
Dennis Carr - 13 Feb 2004 05:22 GMT > i believe i have failed at introducing my new cat arwen into the > household (has one existing cat). too depressed to give the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > like a day by day diary, OR if you know of a site that has such > detailed guides. Never did anything lengthy, but up until recently when we had more than two cats, the introduction of a new cat usually involved little more than some exploration, some hissy fits that lasted a day or so, and finally just a welcome into the pile o' purr on the bed.
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