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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004Useless replies
Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep your judgements to yourselves, since you probably don't know the entire story. If you really want to know, there are probably very few people in the world that love cats more than my fiance. She was crying last night because she was worried about her cat. I told her I would post on here to see if someone knew what may be the problem. If you people are that dumb to think we aren't going to go for a second opinion, then I guess I thought the intellect on this board was a little higher. The post was simply a means to perhaps comfort her by possibly knowing what may be wrong, not as a substitute for a second opinion. So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question. Thanks for nothin'! > Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity > contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep > your judgements to yourselves, since you probably don't know the entire > story. You could always explain the entire story. > If you really want to know, there are probably very few people in the world > that love cats more than my fiance. She was crying last night because she [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question. Thanks > for nothin'! One does have to wonder when their cat obviously has a medical issue why they run first to the newsgroups for answers instead of going to the obvious place for this... the VET.  Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > BigDaDDY wrote: snip > > So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question. Thanks > > for nothin'! > > One does have to wonder when their cat obviously has a medical issue why > they run first to the newsgroups for answers instead of going to the > obvious place for this... the VET. Joe, the guy went to the vet and didn't get anything from the visit that helped. So naturally he was baffled. Happens to all of us, it seems to me. Vets do misdiagnose. These misdiagnoses do come up here. (I write this not as an indictment of vets. I was one of the faction that did not want any action taken against a certain vet who recently did not meet the standards of many people here.. ) Sometimes people on the newsgroup do have more experience than certain vets. Besides, at the newsgroup, posters have all the time in the world to relate a cat's symptoms. A vet has a few minutes to look at a cat and listen to a description of symptoms. BigDaddy, for what it's worth, I found nothing wrong and everything right in your initial post, which explicitly and merely asked if anyone else had seen certain symptoms in their own cats. I know money is often a concern that affects most everyone's pet (and children, and parent) decisions, so I don't blame anyone for trying to be cost-effective, within reason (which is pretty subjective!). My cat has never had all the symptoms you describe. He did go through a period of vomiting and having some litter box changes last year (but nothing as serious as your cat's), and I (not the darn vet to whom I took him!) found all he needed was some petroleum jelly-based hairball remedy. I don't fault the vet, per se. I do fault any vet who doesn't acknowledge they often can't be sure what's wrong with a cat, so continue troubleshooting. Your cat sounds very sick. I hope you find the problem, one way or another, and that Sammy is better soon. I for one would welcome an update. I'm sure it will help others here in the future. Good luck to your cat, your fianc?, and you, C circa Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:36:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Caroline (caroline10027remove@earthlink.net) said, > Your cat sounds very sick. Which is what every response expressed. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >> BigDaDDY wrote: > snip [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > C OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect. Thank you very much for your response. If only people would read the damn question and answer my specific question rather than make assumptions about my priorites and concern for my cat. I have been on newsgroups a lot, and I can tell you from experience that oftentimes you can learn more on a newsgroup than you can anywhere else because past experience is a good teacher. Not to mention, it is possible that 1 or more vets hang out here as well. In any case, I talked with someone I work with, and he mentioned that his cat had similar problems and that it was a kidney problem. The cat eventually died from it. Anyway, Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done. Hope all goes well. Thanks again. Matt "BigDaDDY" <ihatespam@hotmail.com> wrote snip for conciseness but comments noted > I have been on newsgroups a lot, and I can tell you from experience that > oftentimes you can learn more on a newsgroup than you can anywhere else > because past experience is a good teacher. FWIW-- I agree 100%. I think the 'net has been a huge boon to the marketplace of ideas, with enormous benevolent effect on the lives of "ordinary people." As you are probably aware, some newsgroups tend to attract more sanctimony, obsession, etc. than others. Lately I find myself enjoying groups much more when about half the regulars are killfiled. At least, that seems to me to be the usual proportion of sanctimonious attitudes. That's not to say someone somewhere is not enjoying these killfilees' posts. It is to say I don't get anything out of them. So diff'rent strokes... > Not to mention, it is possible > that 1 or more vets hang out here as well. Yes, although alt.med.veterinary seems to have many more. Biases (and some sanctimony) are evident among them. They're human. This in itself is valuable to know. On the other hand, the other week at alt.med.veterinary I saw a fascinating professional exchange on the use of a particular drug (or procedure? can't remember now). No airs were being put on. The vet participants were simply trying to add to their own database of experience in a specific area where there hadn't been any or many formal studies. And the public could read it and better understand the vets' decision-making process in general. Really cool. > In any case, I talked with > someone I work with, and he mentioned that his cat had similar problems and > that it was a kidney problem. The cat eventually died from it. Unfortunately, I have heard of cats with kidney problems. Kidney maladies in old age in particular seem not uncommon. (Maybe you likewise are aware of how common kidney problems are; I don't mean to be presumptuous.) FWIW, a web search might turn up more. When my cat was ill a few weeks ago, I was amazed at what was on the web re feline illnesses. I can't recall whether you posted your cat's age. > Anyway, > Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done. > Hope all goes well. > > Thanks again. You're welcome. Thanks for sticking with the forum, as again, I think people sharing their experiences helps others with their cats (etc.). Best wishes for Sammy's recovery, C. >In any case, I talked with > someone I work with, and he mentioned that his cat had similar problems and > that it was a kidney problem. The cat eventually died from it. Anyway, > Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done. Well good. I would like to suggest that not EVERYONE would fail to understand that a week of not eliminating in and of itself is life-threatening. Not everyone would need to check around with friends and newsgroups. In fact I would have to say that MOST people understand that not eliminating at all for that long is very dangerous. It is why people used to give laxatives and enemas to children on a regular basis. Sometimes the laxatives were things like Bella Donna (no kidding) and people did not understand that a little bit of poisonis medicine and a lot is, well, poison. I have an 1800s ancestor who died from a laxative overdose. [Yes, go ahead, laugh, I did too.] This is why it seemed you might not care about the cat, and/or were trolling us. > Hope all goes well. I do too, as does everyone here. Let us know how it works out, pardon the pun. ...> > Anyway, > Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done. > Hope all goes well. > Thanks again. > Matt I hope all goes well, too, and the tests aren't too hard on your wallet. Please let us know how it goes. Annie circa Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:30:07 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, BigDaDDY (ihatespam@hotmail.com) said, > Anyway, > Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done. > Hope all goes well. And that's what every person who replied to your original post recommended. Just because *you* chose to read "judgement" into their responses, *clearly* due to your own feelings of guilt, is not their problem. It's yours. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > >> BigDaDDY wrote: > > snip [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > C > OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect. More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear. This person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other answers weren't derelict in that regard. Thank you very much > for your response. If only people would read the damn question and answer > my specific question rather than make assumptions about my priorites and > concern for my cat. I found nothing wrong w/ your original post, either. Otoh, your reply (& subsequent replies) to the others' responses - which were perfectly legitimate - were downright obnoxious. We *did* read the "damn question" & answered it as best as possbile. In this case, no one knows what's wrong w/ the cat, only that it was in serious need of a vet, ASAP, if not sooner. > I have been on newsgroups a lot, and I can tell you from experience that > oftentimes you can learn more on a newsgroup than you can anywhere else > because past experience is a good teacher. True, but in this case, no one seems to have a cat with the same symptoms. I ventured a guess as to blockage(s), as did somebody(ies?) else, & dehydration, as did someone else. But no one *really* knows what's going on, or why. Not to mention, it is possible > that 1 or more vets hang out here as well. One used to - but haven't seen him for a long time. Last I knew, some vets hang out at alt.med.veterinary. In any case, I talked with > someone I work with, and he mentioned that his cat had similar problems and > that it was a kidney problem. The cat eventually died from it. Anyway, > Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done. > Hope all goes well. Good - I'm glad Sammy's at the vet & that tests are being run. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > Thanks again. > > Matt > "BigDaDDY" <ihatespam@hotmail.com> wrote snip > > OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect. > > More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear. I respect your judgment, although FWIW, what you allege was not my intent. (If I can't persuade you of that, that's okay.) Good cop-bad cop stuff is just silly, IMO. My goal was to help the cat and, indirectly, the people involved. I presume this was pretty much everyone else's main goal. > This > person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other > answers weren't derelict in that regard. In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends to be unpersuasive. The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. His first post politely said he'd tried a vet; it didn't help; had anyone other suggestions? There are more convincing ways of saying to someone, "This sounds serious. I've never seen a condition this bad before. Unfortunately, misdiagnoses to happen. I know it's expensive, but I think if I really valued my cat, I would spend the money for a second opinion. Just my point of view... " People can keep employing the judgmental approach, of course, but this won't at all necessarily get the best help for the cat. At least, it doesn't work for me. Just saying... circa Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:56:37 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Caroline (caroline10027remove@earthlink.net) said, > > This > > person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other > > answers weren't derelict in that regard. > > In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends to > be unpersuasive. And it's your perception. I read through those posts carefully after I saw this thread, and I found only one or two in which I *did* "sense sanctimony". Just because a reader chooses to read something into a post doesn't mean that it was the intent of the post, nor does it mean that it's true. How about if you specify exactly what you found sanctimonious and allow the people you're accusing to state whether or not they either see the same thing or intended such? In the interest of fairness, I'll take my post as an example: "1. How long ago was she taken to the vet?" I asked this question because the post did not say when the cat had been last seen, only that the cat had neither urinated nor defecated for a week. Without knowing if the cat had been seen a week ago, or six weeks ago, it is not possible to make deductions about either the vet's competency or whether the cat's current problems are even related to the problem for which the cat was originally taken to the vet. "2. Has she had absolutely *no* urine or bowel output in a week?" There is a huge difference between absolutely *no* output and minimal output. If there was, indeed, *no* urine or bowel output for a week, then that cat's body had to be FULL of toxins, and the cat *had* to be in very bad shape. Had "BigDaDDY" actually bothered to reply to the questions asked of him, then perhaps some more specific advice could have been given. "3. I do think it is vital to get her to a vet immediately, if for no other reason than to treat her for the dehydration she likely is experiencing. As far as tests, cross that bridge when you come to it, but your first course of action should be to find out what the vet thinks." I think that this is not only self-explanatory, but FAR from sanctimonious. So, again, please outline exactly where you see sanctimony so that the people you are accusing may address your perceptions. As far as "BigDaDDY", in *my* opinion, he received a lot of genuine advice and chose to ignore that in favor of assuming that people were "judging" him. Based on that, and on his subsequent posts, I think he's a seriously defensive, uncouth and not-very-bright individual. Not to mention that his professed concern for the cat doesn't ring true. Laura SignatureKnow how to ask. There is nothing more difficult for some people. Nor for others, easier. -Baltasar Gracian >From: "Caroline" caroline10027remove@earthlink.net >In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends >to >be unpersuasive. > >The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. Since when is advising someone that their cat should be seen by a vet right away being sanctimonious? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > > "BigDaDDY" <ihatespam@hotmail.com> wrote > snip [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > IMO. My goal was to help the cat and, indirectly, the people involved. I presume > this was pretty much everyone else's main goal. > > This > > person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other > > answers weren't derelict in that regard. > > In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends to > be unpersuasive. I beg to differ w/ your assessment. I *have* seen sanctimonious, rude replies here, plenty of times - too many of them, too often, IMO - ones that would simply by guaranteed to put the whoever the OP has been (& who is often on the naive side, but the replies doen't take that into account) on the defensive, & therefore would not be in the best interests of the cat. And the replies this guy got were not of that genre. They said that it sounded like a serious problem, & that he needed to get the cat back to a vet, right away. He *did* absolutely need to do that - it was good advice. Some peolpe took stabs at guessing what might be wrong, but that was as far as anyone could possibly get. > The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. His first post politely > said he'd tried a vet; it didn't help; had anyone other suggestions? He mentioned getting Clavamox from the vet, but that it didn't help. He didn't say when the last vet appt. had been, but no matter - this cat *had* to get back for another assessment if it had not eliminated in a week (I still find that one really hard to believe, & the OP never made it precisely clear) & was throwing up, plus was not drinking water. Would result in toxins galore, & maybe dehydrated as all get-out. But... acc. to last post I saw, the cat's now at the vet, being re-evaluted; good. > There are more convincing ways of saying to someone, "This sounds serious. I've > never seen a condition this bad before. Unfortunately, misdiagnoses to happen. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > People can keep employing the judgmental approach, of course, but this won't at > all necessarily get the best help for the cat. At least, it doesn't work for me. See above - doesn't work for me, either. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > Just saying... >> Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity >> contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > they run first to the newsgroups for answers instead of going to the > obvious place for this... the VET. Yeah, once again, superior intellect on your part...NOT!! Excuse the f.ck out of me for trying to take advantage of all the resources available to me. I'm sure whenever we find out what the cats problem is, that our cat is not the only cat in the world that has experienced it. Consequently, maybe if someone on this group had a cat with the same symptoms, they could tell us what the problem was. The newsgroup post was simply to find out what the problem was. Not a substitute for a second vet appointment. Besides, if you looked at my original post, it was at 1AM and we weren't going to go to the vet at 1AM. Instead of knocking someone for trying to use all available resources, maybe you should commend them for going above and beyond to try to understand what the problem may be and perhaps research that problem to find ways to prevent future occurances. A vet can fix things, but only the owner can provide an environment that is less likely to create future problems. So to you I say...BITE ME! BigDaDDY <ihatespam@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Besides, if you looked at my original post, it was at 1AM and we > weren't going to go to the vet at 1AM. Why not? The cat was uncomfortable and probably in pain. You failed to mention if you've been to the vet since and what happened. I'm just putting you in the troll file along with others who just like to stir up cat groups and/or don't have any respect for cats that they would give them proper and timely care. I have been to the vet at 1:00 a.m. for less than that because I love my animal and she needed me. > I have been to the vet at 1:00 a.m. > for less than that because I love my animal and she needed me. Same here. I've been to the vet at 1 am just because my cat was stuck there scared overnight, and it was an emergency vet and opened any ways, and let me come by just to sit with him. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Same here. I've been to the vet at 1 am just because my cat was > stuck there scared overnight, and it was an emergency vet and > opened any ways, and let me come by just to sit with him. I took Kami the last time because she was limping more than her aging self and I thought she was injured. It wasn't stopping her and we probably could have waited until morning, but if it was a fracture I didn't want her jumping up and down from the bed like she does and get more hurt. It was only an arthritis flare-up and she got a shot for pain and inflamation. I don't regret taking her except for the smelly dogs we had to sit with in the waiting room. Brandy Alexandre wrote in news:fce4314fbfd393260508e399b36e596c@news.teranews.com on 11 Feb 2004: > Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pain and inflamation. I don't regret taking her except for the smelly > dogs we had to sit with in the waiting room. Why do people in vet waiting rooms always let their big dogs sniff all over a cat carrier? I usually pick up the carrier and put it on a chair away from the dog so they get the message, but some people just let the dog go over and resume sniffing carrier?? SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > Brandy Alexandre wrote in > news:fce4314fbfd393260508e399b36e596c@news.teranews.com on 11 Feb 2004: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > from the dog so they get the message, but some people just let the dog go > over and resume sniffing carrier?? I don't know. Most people are considerate in that regard, but others aren't. The cats are often scared enough as it is, &/or feeling crummy, but then up comes a dog & puts its nose smack up against the carrier. Not exactly calming for the cat. Some waiting rooms are segregated into sides: one for dogs, one for cats. I've seen one of those; that's nice. But I have wondered - though probably not a common scenario - which side one takes if bringing in a cat *&* a dog...? And I guess the rabbits, ferrets, etc. use the cats' side. But what about birds, mice, hamsters? ;-) The dogs', I guess? Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > -- > Cheryl > > Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. > MIB II circa 12 Feb 2004 03:16:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > Why do people in vet waiting rooms always let their big dogs sniff all over > a cat carrier? I usually pick up the carrier and put it on a chair away > from the dog so they get the message, but some people just let the dog go > over and resume sniffing carrier?? I used to love it when people let their dogs do that to Alex's carrier. Alex had some very unusual vocalizations, and they were quite loud. He scared the sh.t out of every single dog he ever met. :-) Oh, and the first question I *always* got from the dog owners after such encounters- "Oh, my goodness/gosh/god/whatever, what do you *have* in there???? It sounds like a TIGER!" Heh. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Feb 2004: > I used to love it when people let their dogs do that to Alex's > carrier. Alex had some very unusual vocalizations, and they were [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Heh. Would love to have seen that reaction. lol Oh, and about the "shave and squeeze", I didn't say it that way.. the woman at the desk answered the phone too out of breath and sounding stressed out so I didn't want to make her go "huh?" They can't get Shadow in until Monday. I dearly love this vet but she is a single vet practice and sometimes they say come in tonight, sometimes it is a week. For emergencies, I just show up. Shadow doesn't seem like he is going to be worse off waiting until monday, but I sure wish they'd take him sooner. It may take the edge off the other guys but I hope after he gets the squeeze they ease up on him. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II circa 12 Feb 2004 04:05:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > > I used to love it when people let their dogs do that to Alex's > > carrier. Alex had some very unusual vocalizations, and they were [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Would love to have seen that reaction. It was definitely the high point of Alex's chemo days. :-) It also conveniently let him loose a little of his pent-up aggression before going in for the injections. Alex was a very unique cat- he had no fear of dogs whatsoever, and truly seemed to take a bit of twisted pleasure in scaring the bejeezus out of them. <G> > lol Oh, and about the "shave and > squeeze", I didn't say it that way.. the woman at the desk answered the > phone too out of breath and sounding stressed out so I didn't want to make > her go "huh?" Hahahaha! Well, I can understand that. I didn't start referring to Alex as "Satan Spawn" in front of my vets and the techs and receptionists until they'd all seen him in action so many times that they had their own pet names for him. I imagine I'd not have referenced a shave and squeeze right off the bat, either. :-) > They can't get Shadow in until Monday. I dearly love this > vet but she is a single vet practice and sometimes they say come in > tonight, sometimes it is a week. For emergencies, I just show up. Shadow > doesn't seem like he is going to be worse off waiting until monday, but I > sure wish they'd take him sooner. It may take the edge off the other guys > but I hope after he gets the squeeze they ease up on him. <crossing fingers> I hope so, too. He's been through so much. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Feb 2004: > <crossing fingers> I hope so, too. He's been through so much. If I thought he'd survive another surgery, I'd have them just remove the glands. They're a constant trouble for him, and he doesn't let me touch him there at all; trying to clean him up anywhere is the only thing that makes him bite. Very stressful for him to have *me* do it, but he's almost a perfect angel when the vet or techs do it. Except for claw clipping. ;) SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II circa 13 Feb 2004 01:46:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > > <crossing fingers> I hope so, too. He's been through so much. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > him bite. Very stressful for him to have *me* do it, but he's almost a > perfect angel when the vet or techs do it. Except for claw clipping. ;) Heck, as far as I'm concerned, the whole shave and squeeze is a job for the vets, regardless! ;-) Laura <doesn't wanna squeeze her cats' butts> SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa 13 Feb 2004 01:46:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, Heck, as far as I'm concerned, the whole shave and squeeze is a job for the vets, regardless! ;-) Laura <doesn't wanna squeeze her cats' butts> I'm with you - let the vet do it. That's what they get paid the big bucks for lol Tiggy has let fly with some very liquid, very stinky stuff from that end when she's PO'd (think she's part skunk). Not nice! > circa 13 Feb 2004 01:46:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl > (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm with you - let the vet do it. That's what they get paid the big > bucks for lol Yeah, I agree. Some said it was something you can do at home, and the vet even said I could and showed me how but I'd rather just take him in for it. The vet I use now is 5 minutes down the road, very lucky because I really like her. > Tiggy has let fly with some very liquid, very stinky stuff from that > end when she's PO'd (think she's part skunk). Not nice! From what I've read, that was the original purpose of the anal gland stuff, it got released if the cat was scared, just like a skunk lets loose it's stink. And also to "mark" it's feces. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > Tiggy has let fly with some very liquid, very stinky stuff from that end > when she's PO'd (think she's part skunk). Not nice! ooooo, think you can keep her from letting other cats know how to do this? :) circa Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:16:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > Tiggy has let fly with some very liquid, very stinky stuff from that > end > > when she's PO'd (think she's part skunk). Not nice! > > > ooooo, think you can keep her from letting other cats know how to do > this? :) Yerg. I had a cat do this *once*, and I hope I never experience that again! Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Yerg. I had a cat do this *once*, and I hope I never experience that > again! Laura, when I was in my early twenties I heard the horrendous sounds of a cat fight out on my apartment stairs and went out to separate the males. I got scratched *and* sprayed right in the face! I have not interfered in a cat fight since. Then again, I have not been close to one again. I think I might toss water if I was. What is the best way to break ou an outdoor cat fight, do you know? circa Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:35:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > Yerg. I had a cat do this *once*, and I hope I never experience that > > again! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > one again. I think I might toss water if I was. What is the best way > to break ou an outdoor cat fight, do you know? AFAIK, water. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:35:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > AFAIK, water. :-) This is why God invented spray bottles. Also works in dog fights. And dog/cat fights. Distracts the little buggers. :) Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > Tiggy has let fly with some very liquid, very stinky stuff from that end > when she's PO'd (think she's part skunk). Not nice! ooooo, think you can keep her from letting other cats know how to do this? :) No problem. It's her thing and she ain't sharing. lol > circa 13 Feb 2004 01:46:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl > (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm with you - let the vet do it. That's what they get paid the big bucks > for lol Unfortunately, it's usually the techs who *aren't* paid big bucks who get to squeeze the butts. In fact I don't think I have seen a vet do an anal, ever... -L. circa 15 Feb 2004 23:27:42 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, -L. (k3_e81@yahoo.com) said, > Unfortunately, it's usually the techs who *aren't* paid big bucks who > get to squeeze the butts. In fact I don't think I have seen a vet do > an anal, ever... My last vets used to do Jacob's. I have no idea *why*, but they did. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Unfortunately, it's usually the techs who *aren't* paid big bucks who > get to squeeze the butts. In fact I don't think I have seen a vet do > an anal, ever... All of the vets at my clinic do it themselves! They never let anyone else treat the cats in any way. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ In article <c7b085a.0402152327.57180481@posting.google.com>, k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) wrote: > Unfortunately, it's usually the techs who *aren't* paid big bucks who > get to squeeze the butts. In fact I don't think I have seen a vet do > an anal, ever... All of the vets at my clinic do it themselves! They never let anyone else treat the cats in any way. Same at my vet. The only time I've seen the tech handle any of our cats was to weigh them. > In article <c7b085a.0402152327.57180481@posting.google.com>, > k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Same at my vet. The only time I've seen the tech handle any of our cats was > to weigh them. Really? That's weird to me. The only things the vets DID do atmy last hospital was the exams and surgeries. We did everything else - grooming, treatments, blood draws, etc. -L. > Really? That's weird to me. The only things the vets DID do atmy > last hospital was the exams and surgeries. We did everything else - > grooming, treatments, blood draws, etc. > > -L. My vet even shaves my kitty's poopy butt and washes the vomit out of her carrier (Kitty always gets car sick). My vet's office is quite small, though, with just the vet and a receptionist. I don't even think there is a vet tech, unless the receptionist is one. rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** > "Diane L. Schirf" <delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com> wrote in > message news:bp2Yb.6755$W74.2440@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Same at my vet. The only time I've seen the tech handle any of our cats was > to weigh them. Really? That's weird to me. The only things the vets DID do atmy last hospital was the exams and surgeries. We did everything else - grooming, treatments, blood draws, etc. -L. I've never taken a cat to the vet for grooming so I don't know who does that. Our vet has drawn the blood for blood work. The tech probably is involved with taking X-rays but the vet is there as well. I know that from the report I got from the vet about the difficulty they had with Tiggy last time (my poor problem child). I have no clue who does what when the animal is admitted. I'm sure the tech is much more involved then. > I've never taken a cat to the vet for grooming so I don't know who does > that. Our vet has drawn the blood for blood work. The tech probably is > involved with taking X-rays but the vet is there as well. I know that from > the report I got from the vet about the difficulty they had with Tiggy last > time (my poor problem child). I have no clue who does what when the animal > is admitted. I'm sure the tech is much more involved then. There are four or five veterinarians at the clinic I go to; I'm not sure if there are any trained technicians. There are older teenagers (high school, college) who are interested in veterinary careers who work there at the desk, feeding/cleaning the boarded animals, weighing them -- all the things that you would feel comfortable doing. They also hold the cat while the veterinarian trims his claws, for example. But if they're doing something like drawing urine, they get a second veterinarian to hold him. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >> > Unfortunately, it's usually the techs who *aren't* paid big bucks who >> > get to squeeze the butts. In fact I don't think I have seen a vet do >> > an anal, ever... When my cat had an anal gland problem, the vet himself expressed the glands. Another time, I had my older cat there with a tumor. I was afraid it was cancer, but he took a small sample, looked at it under the microscope, and told me it was just fat in a strange spot. I'm sure the techs help out with a lot of stuff like blood draws and that, but I have only seen them doing the weights, sometimes the temperature, and initial interview to ask about symptoms. The vets themselves have trimmed nails on the dogs, also done the basic checkup, and stuff like that. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > In article <c7b085a.0402152327.57180481@posting.google.com>, > k3_e81@yahoo.com (-L.) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Same at my vet. The only time I've seen the tech handle any of our cats was > to weigh them. Same at my vets' practice. The tech weighs the cat before the vet comes into the examining room, then the vet takes over from there. The vet will call in a tech to assist, sometimes - w/holding the cat for bw for ex., but that's it. Otoh, sometimes I just do the holding. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Why do people in vet waiting rooms always let their big dogs sniff > all over a cat carrier? I usually pick up the carrier and put it > on a chair away from the dog so they get the message, but some > people just let the dog go over and resume sniffing carrier?? LOL! Were you there, too? :) Brandy Alexandre wrote in news:fce4314fbfd393260508e399b36e596c@news.teranews.com on 11 Feb 2004: > Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pain and inflamation. I don't regret taking her except for the smelly > dogs we had to sit with in the waiting room. Why do people in vet waiting rooms always let their big dogs sniff all over a cat carrier? I usually pick up the carrier and put it on a chair away from the dog so they get the message, but some people just let the dog go over and resume sniffing carrier?? -- Cheryl I guess we must have very civilized pet owners at my vet. I have never seen anyone bring in an animal that they didn't have under control. >Why do people in vet waiting rooms always let their big dogs sniff all over >a cat carrier? I usually pick up the carrier and put it on a chair away >from the dog so they get the message, but some people just let the dog go >over and resume sniffing carrier?? That's an excellent question. When we took in a stray last year, we brought her to a vet we hadn't used before because he was close by and had evening hours. The vet himself was okay, but we would never go back there because the waiting room is tiny and the dog owners so inconsiderate. Here we have a terrified cat screaming with fear in her carrier, and people let their dogs come right up and stick their noses into the grate. When we objected, the owners seemed surprised: "oh, is your cat afraid of dogs?" Sheesh. That is one big reason I prefer a felines only vet. At the emergency vet we use, at least the waiting room is big enough that you can keep your cat away from inquiring dogs, and I've seen the staff reprimand dog owners for not keeping their animals under control. But you're right, I'm just mystified as to why so many dog owners let their dogs bother cats in a waiting room. >>Why do people in vet waiting rooms always let their big dogs sniff all over >>a cat carrier? I usually pick up the carrier and put it on a chair away [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > just mystified as to why so many dog owners let their dogs bother cats in a > waiting room. It is for this and other reasons I go to a cat only vet clinic. No scary monsters around upsetting fluffy. ;-) Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck >. But you're right, I'm >> just mystified as to why so many dog owners let their dogs bother cats in a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >No scary monsters around upsetting fluffy. ;-) Yes, the other cats in the waiting room can be scary enough, if they are crying in fear themselves, but at least they are all in carriers. Another reason I prefer a cats only clinic is that overall I think they tend to be more knowledgeable and up to date with the latest research in feline medicine. The dog and cat clinic I went to had posters on the walls urging people to have their cat vaccinated with the new FIV vaccine, something I doubt a responsible feline specialist would ever promote. > It is for this and other reasons I go to a cat only vet clinic. > > No scary monsters around upsetting fluffy. ;-) My vet has two separate entrances on either side of the building. There's even a picture of a dog and a cat on the appropriate doors so maybe even the animals understand. :) >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >But you're right, I'm >just mystified as to why so many dog owners let their dogs bother cats in a >waiting room. Shows no consideration, IMO. Like you, I prefer an all feline practice. I have been to a vet in the past that actually had separate entrance and waiting areas for dogs and cats. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Shows no consideration, IMO. Like you, I prefer an all feline practice. I >have been to a vet in the past that actually had separate entrance and >waiting >areas for dogs and cats. A good idea! That shows a vet that's concerned about keeping his/her feline clientele. IMO, the clinic I mentioned has more of a dog orientation. Aside from the tiny waiting room intermingling dogs and cats at close quarters, the senior vet had pictures of his dogs on the walls, and he was really into doing tests on our cat for heartworm--and while some of what he told us about heartworm disease in cats was accurate, some of it was wrong and applied to dogs, not cats. Also, when I asked to go back and say goodby to our cat when she was about to be spayed, I found that the cats and dogs were both caged in the same area. So you'd have sick cats in small cages right over top the large dog cages, where the dogs would be barking. Enough to terrify any sick cat. My own opinion is that if a vet seems more interested in dog care than in cats, I'd rather go to one that specializes in cats. I don't want to feel our cats are second class patients, and I'm sure such clinics alienate many cat owners. On the other hand, I don't know whether there are dogs only clinics, for the vets that prefer to treat just dogs. Anyone know? Yngver <yngver@aol.comnospam> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > My own opinion is that if a vet seems more interested in dog care > than in cats, I'd rather go to one that specializes in cats. I > don't want to feel our cats are second class patients, and I'm > sure such clinics alienate many cat owners. On the other hand, I > don't know whether there are dogs only clinics, for the vets that > prefer to treat just dogs. Anyone know? I thought my old vet was more interested in dogs than cats because he was so "clinical" with Kami, where others would pet her and such. But then I found an article about him and three other vets who took part in a record spay and neuter volunteer effort where they did over 90 feral cats, etc. He's gotta like them if he volunteered his time like that. I wish he would have moved with me (including the fact he's a handsome devil). >From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >Also, when I asked to go back and say goodby to our cat when >she was about to be spayed, I found that the cats and dogs were both caged in >the same area. So you'd have sick cats in small cages right over top the >large >dog cages, where the dogs would be barking. Enough to terrify any sick cat. Wow, that is not good at all. I wonder how common this is in vet clinics where they have both dogs and cats. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Lauren I think it''s common in small practices. It bothers me, too. Years ago I took Cherokee to an "All Pets" clinic. When I picked him up the next day, he was caged *right next* to a duck. Going "quack quack quack." Enough to drive a cat insane, I'm sure. Sherry >From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) >>>From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Sherry Cherokee was quacking?!! (sorry, couldn't resist :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>I think it''s common in small practices. It bothers me, too. Years ago I >took [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Lauren LOL! No, he was glaring out of the cage with a look that said, "Die, human scum." This was the cat that regularly beat up dogs. Had it been one of my timid boys, I'd have been furious, but Cherokee was more mad than scared. Sherry >From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) >Years ago I >>took [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry I bet he was mad! I can't believe they would put a duck and a cat next to each other. I think cats need to be with cats only! Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm PawsForThought <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> quoth: >>From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) >>>>From: yngver@aol.comnospam (Yngver) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >>Sherry >Cherokee was quacking?!! >(sorry, couldn't resist :) Yeah, if I were caged next to a duck, I'd be going "quack quack quack" too! (sorry) Priscilla SignatureFrom the discussion of a ban taking away the right for gays to marry in MA: "This is like a family. When you raise a family you treat every one of your kids the same. The only time you take privileges or rights away from them is when they did something wrong. I'll be darned if I can figure out what these people did wrong." Sen. Robert A. Havern, D-Arlington, who opposes a gay marriage ban. >I think it''s common in small practices. It bothers me, too. Years ago I took >Cherokee to an "All Pets" clinic. When I picked him up the next day, he was >caged *right next* to a duck. Going "quack quack quack." Enough to drive a >cat >insane, I'm sure. If it were our cats, they'd probably be trying to grab the duck. At least I don't think they'd be scared of it, as they would be by the sound of a dog in the next cage yelping and barking. Feb 2004: > Also, when I asked to go back and say goodby to our cat when > she was about to be spayed, I found that the cats and dogs were both > caged in the same area. So you'd have sick cats in small cages right > over top the large dog cages, where the dogs would be barking I don't like that practice, either. All of the vets I've used including the internist where Shadow spent a lot of time had their cage-setup like this. The dogs bark non-stop, and who can blame them? They're all scared. :( SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II circa 12 Feb 2004 01:55:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > Same here. I've been to the vet at 1 am just because my cat was stuck > there scared overnight, and it was an emergency vet and opened any ways, > and let me come by just to sit with him. Ditto. More times than I can even remember anymore. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa 12 Feb 2004 01:55:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl > (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Laura WELL PIN A MEDAL ON ALL YOUR a.ses!! > > circa 12 Feb 2004 01:55:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl > > (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > WELL PIN A MEDAL ON ALL YOUR a.ses!! I don't know, folks, I kind of like this guy. :) As long as his cat lives, that is. circa Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:33:45 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, BigDaDDY (ihatespam@hotmail.com) said, > >> Same here. I've been to the vet at 1 am just because my cat was stuck > >> there scared overnight, and it was an emergency vet and opened any ways, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > WELL PIN A MEDAL ON ALL YOUR a.ses!! Oh, for pete's sake, you insufferable boor, have you ever heard of "thread drift"? Your paranoia is overwhelming. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >>>Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity >>>contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yeah, once again, superior intellect on your part...NOT!! You won't get the help you want by being insulting. You do want help don't you? There are several knowledgable people here who can offer that, but generally people are turned off by insulting comments. > Excuse the f.ck > out of me for trying to take advantage of all the resources available to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides, if you looked at my original post, it was at 1AM and we weren't > going to go to the vet at 1AM. If the animal is in serious need of medical attention then going to the vet at 1AM is most definitely advisable. Many clinics offer emergency after hours vet services. > Instead of knocking someone for trying to > use all available resources, That is just it, you did NOT use all available resources. > maybe you should commend them for going above > and beyond to try to understand what the problem may be and perhaps > research that problem to find ways to prevent future occurances. A vet can > fix things, but only the owner can provide an environment that is less > likely to create future problems. So to you I say...BITE ME! The bottom line here is that consulting a newsgroup for an obvious sick animal is very poor substitute for going to the vet. I noticed shortly after your post about your cat, your concern shifted rather quickly to your garage floor with your post in alt.home.repair Some of that cash going into fixing up your unfinished garage in that home you just bought should be directed to the medical needs to your pet cat. It isn't a matter of not enough cash, it is a matter of correct allocation of the funds. You need to work on your priorities. Have a nice day. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck >>>>Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity >>>>contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Have a nice day. I can 100% honestly say, I do not think I have ever seen a person as stupid as you in my entire life. An example, here is your quote, "the bottom line here is consulting a newsgroup for an obvious sick animal is a very poor substitue for going to the vet." Now, I know this may be difficult since it is very evident that you have the IQ of a Frisbee, but point your little mouse up to the very top of the thread and read my article again. This time try to comprehend it. When you get to the part that says.. "The post was simply a means to perhaps comfort her by possibly knowing what may be wrong, not as a substitute for a second opinion." look back at what you just posted, go to the mirror and bitch slap yourself upside the head and yell, GOD am I f.cking stupid!! If I wanted a bunch of Blah f.cking Blah responses, I would have asked for them. Now, do you think...you're cat is very sick is really beneficial? It's like, NO sh.t Sherlock! I obviously tried the vet once, and I posted on here because that didn't work. Very sick is of absolutely no use whatsoever. I can deduce that without the help of anyone on this board. I'm interested in what is wrong not adjectives. As for my garage, it is coming along nicely thanks. The cat is not mine, consequently I take no responsibility for it. I was just doing my fiance a favor by posting here to try to help her out. But since you are interested in my priorities, I had a lot of fun doing the drywall in my garage. In fact, I wouldn't doubt it if all the joint compound dust has something to do with what is wrong with my fiance's cat. Her cat loves to sit on heater vents and I'm sure a lot of that dust got sucked into the furnace and eventually made its way into the house. Fortunately when I was out there working on the garage I had a respirator on so I wouldn't inhale all that dust. > I can 100% honestly say, I do not think I have ever seen a person as stupid > as you in my entire life. You HAVE lived a sheltered life haven't you? :-) > An example, here is your quote, "the bottom line > here is consulting a newsgroup for an obvious sick animal is a very poor > substitue for going to the vet." Now, I know this may be difficult since > it is very evident that you have the IQ of a Frisbee, <yawn> Uh, sure... whatever you say Mr. BigDaDDy. :-) > but point your little > mouse up to the very top of the thread and read my article again. This [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just posted, go to the mirror and bitch slap yourself upside the head and > yell, GOD am I f.cking stupid!! The animal is sick. Very comforting to receive determination over the newsgroups that the animal is in fact VERY sick. This leads to a sleepless night and worry. Better course of action: Find vet with emergency services, place cat and fiance in car and drive to vet. Not only get diagnosis of problem but fiance feeling better that medical person has looked at pet. Was that simple enough for you? :-) Was there any word you did not understand? :-) > If I wanted a bunch of Blah f.cking Blah responses, I would have asked for > them. I know you won't see this, but you did ask for them. :-) You are also asking for an attitude adjustment, but that can only be delivered in person. :-) > Now, do you think...you're cat is very sick is really beneficial? Yes, it is meant to alarm you and get your a.s in gear and out the door to emergency vet services. :-) > It's like, NO sh.t Sherlock! I obviously tried the vet once, One time, as in singular. Good going Mr. BigDaddy. Carefully noted how you didn't obtain a second opinion rather than waste time in here. :-) > and I posted > on here because that didn't work. Very sick is of absolutely no use > whatsoever. I can deduce that without the help of anyone on this board. I'm > interested in what is wrong not adjectives. Well if you deduced that much then why didn't you get yourself and the cat to emergency vet services immediately? :-) > As for my garage, it is coming along nicely thanks. The cat is not mine, > consequently I take no responsibility for it. I was just doing my fiance a > favor by posting here to try to help her out. Fiance? So you are about to become a couple? Yet you take NO responsibility for something near and dear to the heart of your fiance? It is her problem is your attitude. Wow, what an attitude towards a loved one! :-) > But since you are interested > in my priorities, I had a lot of fun doing the drywall in my garage. I'm sure you have. The cat on the other hand is just a pain in the a.s right? :-) > In > fact, I wouldn't doubt it if all the joint compound dust has something to > do with what is wrong with my fiance's cat. Yet you allowed the cat to be subjected to it... knowing full well all the time it might not be healthy. Worse yet, you allowed your fiance to be also subjected to it. > Her cat loves to sit on heater > vents and I'm sure a lot of that dust got sucked into the furnace and > eventually made its way into the house. Fortunately when I was out there > working on the garage I had a respirator on so I wouldn't inhale all that > dust. It is all about YOU isn't it. To hell with the fiance and cat inside the house breathing in the dust. You could have prevented the dust from spreading to the rest of the house, but you didn't. :-) You are another dime-a-dozen moron on the 'net. There were those before you and there will be those after you. Have a real nice day. :-) Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > > I can 100% honestly say, I do not think I have ever seen a person as stupid > > as you in my entire life. > > You HAVE lived a sheltered life haven't you? :-) I was going to say. Hell, I may be stupid, but I've met plenty stupider people. :) Big Daddy needs to get out more. << Fortunately when I was out there working on the garage I had a respirator on so I wouldn't inhale all that dust. >> Oh, good, we were worried about your well-being and health. I do hope poor Sammy survives, though. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) BigDaDDY <ihatespam@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a > popularity contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question. > Thanks for nothin'! What kind of reply were you looking for? You said you didn't have a lot of money, so I guess you wanted to hear something other than see the vet again or find another. That's not a useless response, that's a damn sincere one. While you're running around looking for someone to tell you what you want to hear, your cat is suffering. We can't tell you what is wrong with your cat from a Usenet post. All we can do is weigh your experiences against our own and make wild guesses. Here's one for ya: when my other's cat didn't urinate for a number of days, the vet found advanced bladder cancer when he tried to insert a catheter. Is that what you're looking for? Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep your judgements to yourselves, since you probably don't know the entire story. If you really want to know, there are probably very few people in the world that love cats more than my fiance. She was crying last night because she was worried about her cat. I told her I would post on here to see if someone knew what may be the problem. If you people are that dumb to think we aren't going to go for a second opinion, then I guess I thought the intellect on this board was a little higher. The post was simply a means to perhaps comfort her by possibly knowing what may be wrong, not as a substitute for a second opinion. So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question. Thanks for nothin'! You did get an answer. It is serious and get the cat either back to the vet or to a new one. You're going to have to cough up some money to have at least minimum testing done if you really want to find out what is wrong with the cat. Nobody here is able to diagnose the problem because A) nobody has actually seen your animal and B) nobody here is a vet. .. The post was simply a means to > perhaps comfort her by possibly knowing what may be wrong, not as a > substitute for a second opinion. > So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question. Thanks > for nothin'! Big Daddy, I don't know how your fianc? can get any comfort from this, and am not a vet, but to me it sounds like an obstruction of the intestines. I can't imagine that a vet would mistake what you described as a urinary tract problem. I hope that you have gone to a legitimate, competent vet for a second opinion by now, because, after a week of suffering the symptoms you described, the cat is probably close to death. In any case, both your fianc? and the cat have suffered longer than necessary. I would expect that with your superior intellect, you have come to realize that the cat's suffering is of paramount importance to the otherwise (in your opinion) mentally impaired and unhelpful members of this group. This is because the cat can't help itself. How long and how much it suffers depends totally on you and your fianc?. In your first post, you did not say that you planned to take the cat to another vet for a second opinion. You said you were concerned about the cost. The impression that you gave me was that you wanted the group to tell you that your cat had some simple problem that might be fixed at home so that you would not have to spend the money. However, with the information you gave, the only useful answer anyone can give you is the one you got. The cat needs to see a vet as soon as possible. That is the only way your fianc? will have the answer she seeks. Otherwise, she'll just end up wondering, and her cat will be dead. Please do the right thing. Annie circa Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:47:58 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Annie Wxill (Annie_Wxill@hotmail.com) said, > I hope that you have gone to a legitimate, competent vet for a second > opinion by now, because, after a week of suffering the symptoms you > described, the cat is probably close to death. He didn't even say *when* the cat was last at the vet, actually. Just that the cat hasn't urinated or defecated for a week. Somehow, I suspect that the cat was *not* at the vet a week ago, based on the reactions from the OP in this thread. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity > contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep > your judgements to yourselves, since you probably don't know the entire > story. Perhaps you could take your cat to the vet before she dies. >> Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity >> contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Perhaps you could take your cat to the vet before she dies. Perhaps you could kiss my a.s! > >> Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity > >> contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Perhaps you could kiss my a.s! Do you want advice, or are you just here to p*ss people off?! This cat _really_ does need to see a (competent) vet, immediately. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Cathy Friedmann <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Do you want advice, or are you just here to p*ss people off?! > This cat _really_ does need to see a (competent) vet, immediately. You kidding? It needs a competent owner. > > >> Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity > > >> contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -- I have been envisioning "Big Daddy" stopped up like a corked bottle and unable to pee for a week, (we'll give him two broken legs so he can't take himself to the doctor) trying to explain to some BFI (big f***ing idiot) like him why maybe it is time to take him to the doctor. I'm not saying this ought to happen, but I am enjoying the picture of him pleading while the BFI does a couple of nights of web searching. :) *People* who have surgery need to be up and having a bowel movement within a few days or they can die. circa Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:03:25 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > I have been envisioning "Big Daddy" stopped up like a corked bottle > and unable to pee for a week, (we'll give him two broken legs so he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > picture of him pleading while the BFI does a couple of nights of web > searching. :) <sn |
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