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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004is this normal?
Hello there, My cat Misha is 40 days pregnant today. Everything is going very good. She seems happy, she "talks" and purrs as much as she always did. She's been more quiet in the sence that she doesn't play so much or climb the cat tree so much anymore but I would imagine that is normal. I called her vet yesterday morning to make sure I was doing everything all right. It is a long time ago we had pregnancy in the house, as my 3 other cats are spayed. The vet adviced me to start mixing kitten food with her usual food... and increase the kitten food as time goes. This is very good for pregnant and nursing cats. Here comes the thing... Misha has been eating SO much lately. I had noticed that she was eating more before I put her on kitten food, which is normal with the pregnancy... But now that I feed her away from the other ones, I notice it even more. She is asking for food very often. I'm wondering if it's ok? Should I give her food each time she asks for it? or is this just because she likes it so much? She,s always been a good eater, but now I'm afraid to give her too much. I was thinking I could give her the kitten food 3 times a day, and if she is more hungry, the "adult" food is always available at "the normal cat food place". What should I do? I know she needs to eat smaller portions, more often in the day, because of the pregnancy and the belly taking so much space ... Other than that, she rests a lot... and as I said, everything is fine, her litter box activities are normal as well... Oh and talking about box... she even already took property of the birthing box I put out for her in a quiet corner of my room. :) Thanks for help and advice... As you can see, I'm watching her pregnancy closely... counting the days and making sure all is normal. I know I'll get messages telling me that this cat shoudl be spayed and I'm such an idiot to let her have babies... tell if you like. Regards, Mia and Misha. :) frigamia <frigami@hotmail.com> quoth: >Misha has been eating SO much lately. I had noticed that she was eating more >before I put her on kitten food, which is normal with the pregnancy... But [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >often in the day, because of the pregnancy and the belly taking so much >space ... I have no experience with pregnant cats, but on the very narrow chance that no-one with experience with pregnant cats weighs in (ha ha), I will offer my opinion that whatever she wants she should have at this point. I do know that kittens should be fed as much as they want, so I'm extrapolating back before they become separate units from their mom and expect that they should be allowed as much as they want while they're still in utero, mom's working harder than normal on top of that. Now the experts can weigh in. :-) Priscilla Thank you for your input... it makes sence :) Mia, Misha and the belly :) > frigamia <frigami@hotmail.com> quoth: > >Misha has been eating SO much lately. I had noticed that she was eating more [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Priscilla >Hello there, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Regards, >Mia and Misha. :) Yes? Did you want to say something? :) Mia, Misha and the belly > >Hello there, > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Regards, > >Mia and Misha. :) >Yes? Did you want to say something? :) My computer doesn't want to behave. > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> >Regards, >> >Mia and Misha. :) 10 Feb 2004: >>Yes? Did you want to say something? :) My computer doesn't want to >>behave. ML, if you reply on the same line as the original post, it is hard to differentiate it from the OP. :) I've noticed this a few times and on other times I've given up trying to find where you posted your comment.  SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II ok well let's hope your computer will quiet down so you can give me your opinion on what i wrote :) Mia, misha and the belly > >Yes? Did you want to say something? :) My computer doesn't want to behave. > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> >Regards, > >> >Mia and Misha. :) >Hello there, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Regards, >Mia and Misha. :) circa Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:27:03 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, frigamia (frigami@hotmail.com) said, > Here comes the thing... > Misha has been eating SO much lately. I had noticed that she was eating more [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > often in the day, because of the pregnancy and the belly taking so much > space ... While she's pregnant and nursing, I'd let her eat as much as she likes, personally. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Thank you very much, Laura, for your input. :) Mia, Misha and the belly > circa Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:27:03 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > frigamia (frigami@hotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. I hope that you have pledges for homes for the kittens when they are ready to separate from the mother cat. Whatever the reason you allowed this to happen, you should step up to the plate and assume full responsibility. Don't go to the market with a box and a sign saying free kittens...don't swing by the shelter and dump the kittens...act responsively. Did I come out like an irresponsible person to you? I have 4 cats, 3 spayed, 1 pregnant. They grew up here, in love, caresses and good care. They have good first quality food that I buy at my vet, they have nice big litter boxes that I clean once or twice a day. I can't sleep if one of them isn't in the house at night. Those cats are my babies, my family. Be absolutely certain that I would NEVER mistreat a cat or any other creature for that matter. Those kittens are a choice that I made after making sure mommy cat was in good health and good shape. I have a reason for letting this happen and I know EXACTLY when and with what cat she coupled. I count the days and make sure the pregnancy is going all right. Mommy cat is happy, purrs all the time, talks to us, is active although she rests a lot in her bithing box that I put up for her. A clean box, with confortable layers of sheets... in the most quiet corner of my room, where the other cats aren't allowed. Do you think I would dump kittens, when I take such good care of my cats? No. I wouldn't. I understand your concern. Unfortunately, a bunch of people are, indeed, irresponsible with their animal and let everything happen without caring much or at all. Read my posts again... and then if you got something positive and encouraging to tell me, you are welcome to do so. Otherwise, please, keep your comments for you. I do not need them. I am happy for the miracle of Life. Mia, Misha and the babies to come. > I hope that you have pledges for homes for the kittens when they are ready to > separate from the mother cat. Whatever the reason you allowed this to happen, > you should step up to the plate and assume full responsibility. Don't go to > the market with a box and a sign saying free kittens...don't swing by the > shelter and dump the kittens...act responsively. Mia wrote: >Did I come out like an irresponsible >person to you? And followed that with: >I have 4 cats, 3 spayed, 1 pregnant. Breeding cats when millions are dying for lack of homes IS irresponsible. <snip attempt to justify irresponsible actions> >Otherwise, please, keep your comments >for you. I do not need them. Whether you need them or not is irrelevant. You posted to a public forum, and anybody can respond and say anything they like despite your protestations. If you don't like it, tough. >I am happy for the miracle of Life. There is no "miracle of life" for the millions that are killed for lack of homes, and you need to take responsibility for the results of your intentional breeding: http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/overpopulation Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray You know, we could debate that forever, people do not have the same opinions and it is quite all right. :) But, we do not all have to agree. Do you have children? Mia > Mia wrote: > >Did I come out like an irresponsible [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - W.H. Murray hi, I forgot to tell you that I agree with the posting in public thing. Everyone is free to say their opinion. Thank you for this reminder :) Mia > Mia wrote: > >Did I come out like an irresponsible [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > hi, I forgot to tell you that I agree with the posting in public thing. > Everyone is free to say their opinion. Thank you for this reminder :) [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > intentional breeding: > > http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/overpopulation Go ahead and continue breeding. If that makes you happy. Don't let other's self-righteousness deter you. It's your prerogative to breed and give life to other cats. Just like it's my prerogative to take care of my cats, spend money and time on them, instead of taking the money and giving it to needy humans (I don't know how many children in Africa die due to malnutrition every year, but there are many; while my cats here sit fat and happy) and volunteering my time to worthy causes. Feb 2004: > Go ahead and continue breeding. If that makes you happy. Don't let > other's self-righteousness deter you. It figures that you have no sense of responsibility. It has come across in your posts since you started posting here. I suppose you are against welfare? Against homeless shelters, and food lines? SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > Feb 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your posts since you started posting here. I suppose you are against > welfare? Against homeless shelters, and food lines? Cheryl, I couldn´t help but laugh at what he wrote. Sounds like irony to me. > Go ahead and continue breeding. If that makes you happy. Don't let > other's self-righteousness deter you. It's your prerogative to breed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my cats here sit fat and happy) and volunteering my time to worthy > causes. LOL Frigamia, ignore the ones who want to put you down. They did it to me to run me off, which they did, I only lurk now and nothing has changed in here, but don't let them do it to you. Don't give them the time of day if they are going to be cruel. Good luck to your kitties. Christina -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > Mia wrote: > >Did I come out like an irresponsible [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > Frigamia, ignore the ones who want to put you down. They did it to me > to run me off, which they did, Sure we did (which is why you keep posting?). Get over it psycho. I only lurk now and nothing has changed > in here Uh huh. lol SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II Real mature Cheryl. -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > > Frigamia, ignore the ones who want to put you down. They did it to me > > to run me off, which they did, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. > MIB II circa Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:30:29 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, > Real mature Cheryl. Well, thank you for that pearl of wisdom, Gandhi. Practice what you preach, eh? Laura SignatureSuccessful men follow the same advice they prescribe for others. circa Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:26:30 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, > Frigamia, ignore the ones who want to put you down. They did it to me to run > me off, which they did, I only lurk now and nothing has changed in here, but > don't let them do it to you. Don't give them the time of day if they are > going to be cruel. Good luck to your kitties. Um, doofus, when you post, that inherently means you aren't "lurking". Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >From: "C.T." christinamarie29@yahoo.com >Frigamia, ignore the ones who want to put you down. They did it to me to run >me off, which they did, I only lurk now and nothing has changed in here, but >don't let them do it to you. Don't give them the time of day if they are >going to be cruel. Good luck to your kitties. Geez, I thought you were unsubscribing, LOL ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm I'll repeat myself.........don't give them the time of day if they have no helpful info....... Christina -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > Frigamia, ignore the ones who want to put you down. They did it to me to run > me off, which they did, I only lurk now and nothing has changed in here, but [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > > - W.H. Murray circa Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:39:31 -0600 (CST), in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, zuzu22@webtv.net (zuzu22@webtv.net) said, > http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/overpopulation Megan, when I try to go to your site, it gives me an internal server error; any thoughts? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:26:45 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, frigamia (frigami@hotmail.com) said, > Did I come out like an irresponsible person to you? Not to me, no. It's just that there are soooo many abandoned pets and that tends to engender knee-jerk reactions in the soft-hearted. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Did I come out like an irresponsible person to you? That's` a rhetorical question... You deliberately bred your cat while shelters are full of cats and millions are killed every year.... Did you not? That makes you either irresponsible or a mindless idiot with no thought of the consequences of your actions ... So perhaps you're right, you're not irresponsible... Do you have children? > > Did I come out like an irresponsible person to you? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So perhaps you're right, you're not irresponsible... >Do you have children? What difference does that make? Sherry >> > Did I come out like an irresponsible person to you? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> So perhaps you're right, you're not irresponsible... My opinion only, I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat have one litter of kittens and telling them they are irresponsible for letting it happen when billions of cats die everyday and are homeless and sick etc. I agree that we have to save the cats and help their population go down... I am a cat lover and want their well being just like every cat lover does. But, frankly, I am much more concerned about the children dying everyday because they are too poor to eat, or too sick to live, or too unlucky to live in a good family. You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having children when so many children die everyday. But you are blasted and put down for letting a cat do what every female of every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. Mia > >Do you have children? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >> > >> So perhaps you're right, you're not irresponsible... circa Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:55:39 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, frigamia (frigami@hotmail.com) said, > You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having > children when so many children die everyday. Actually, I do. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > My opinion only, > I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat > have one litter of kittens and telling them they are irresponsible for > letting it happen when billions of cats die everyday Those backyard "one litters" are one of the *major* causes of why millions of cats are put to death every year, you f.cking MORON! and are homeless and > sick etc. > I agree that we have to save the cats and help their population go down... That's why you bred *more* cats? You really are a moron -- I'm not calling you names, I mean it literally. I > am a cat lover and want their well being just like every cat lover does. No no no... You may love *your* cats - or at least you think you do, but its painfully obvious you have no love for cats as a species. > But, frankly, I am much more concerned about the children dying everyday > because they are too poor to eat, or too sick to live, or too unlucky to > live in a good family. Gee, then instead of breeding more cats that will either end up in shelters or deprive cats already in shelters of a home, you should have donated the money you'll spend on vet care, food, bedding, toys, to some childrens' fund. But I think you're too selfish, inconsiderate, and self-serving to do that. > You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having > children when so many children die everyday. > But you are blasted and put down for letting a cat do what every female of > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. Do you realize there's`something seriously wrong with you? I'm sure you've been told that many times by many people. Now take your cat to your vet and ask him/her to find her a good home. When your vet asks you why, tell him because you're too stupid and irresponsible to have a cat - and much less to be entrusted with the lives of kittens. > > >Do you have children? > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > >> > > >> So perhaps you're right, you're not irresponsible... << You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having children when so many children die everyday. >> Guess you weren't around in the 70s when zpg was the big thing. Personally, I do think it's irresponsible to have a bunch of children in this overpopulated world. I'm glad I did my bit for zpg and then some. I've always thought that people who choose not to have children should have some sort of tax incentive. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) circa 15 Feb 2004 19:17:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said, > I've always thought that > people who choose not to have children should have some sort of tax incentive. ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!! And how about some "non-maternity" leave, too? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa 15 Feb 2004 19:17:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!! And how about some "non-maternity" leave, too? How about not having to stay late/fill in at work when parenting calls someone else and, well, gee, single people must not have lives, so they'll "volunteer." Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:54:31 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Diane L. Schirf (delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com) said, > > > I've always thought that > > > people who choose not to have children should have some sort of tax [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > someone else and, well, gee, single people must not have lives, so > they'll "volunteer." I'm gonna enroll my cats in soccer lessons. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > > How about not having to stay late/fill in at work when parenting calls > > someone else and, well, gee, single people must not have lives, so > > they'll "volunteer." > > > I'm gonna enroll my cats in soccer lessons. Hodge would never grasp the concept of "teamwork." "MY food! MY box! MY blankie! MINE MINE MINE!"* *Beau's impression of Hodgespeak. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:34:25 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Diane L. Schirf (delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com) said, > > > How about not having to stay late/fill in at work when parenting calls > > > someone else and, well, gee, single people must not have lives, so [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hodge would never grasp the concept of "teamwork." "MY food! MY box! MY > blankie! MINE MINE MINE!"* But that's pretty much what soccer looks like to me. ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa 15 Feb 2004 19:17:05 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said, > > I've always thought that > > people who choose not to have children should have some sort of tax incentive. > > > ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!! And how about some "non-maternity" leave, too? Then there're family leave days, which people w/ kids take on a routine basis, but peope w/o kids can't convert those days to use in any other way - as personal or sick days, for ex. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:19:52 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, > > > I've always thought that > > > people who choose not to have children should have some sort of tax [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > basis, but peope w/o kids can't convert those days to use in any other way - > as personal or sick days, for ex. Maybe I'll start claiming that my cats are two-legged offspring. ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >> Then there're family leave days, which people w/ kids take on a routine >> basis, but peope w/o kids can't convert those days to use in any other way [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Laura Of course they are. After all, they're just like a short, hairy child with a speech problem. I think there should be tax deductions. I bet people would stand in line to adopt cats then. Sherry circa 15 Feb 2004 23:53:52 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > >> Then there're family leave days, which people w/ kids take on a routine > >> basis, but peope w/o kids can't convert those days to use in any other way [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > speech problem. I think there should be tax deductions. I bet people would > stand in line to adopt cats then. The only problem is, based on the number of buffoons who reproduce, those getting cats for the tax bennie would probably fsck up the cats as much as they do their children. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >The only problem is, based on the number of buffoons who reproduce, >those getting cats for the tax bennie would probably fsck up the cats >as much as they do their children. Maybe, but there is some comfort in the fact that their cats wouldn't try to mug you for your wallet (although I wouldn't try carrying too much catnip on your person) SignatureWhen you're arguing with a fool, make sure he isn't doing the same thing. circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:02:31 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, DevilsPGD (lalalaNOSPAM@crazyhat.net) said, > >The only problem is, based on the number of buffoons who reproduce, > >those getting cats for the tax bennie would probably fsck up the cats [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > try to mug you for your wallet (although I wouldn't try carrying too > much catnip on your person) And cats don't grow up to suck off of the welfare system, either, come to think of it. And they're much better behaved in airports. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:19:52 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > Maybe I'll start claiming that my cats are two-legged offspring. ;-) I've been sorely tempted to take family leave days whenever I've had to bring a cat into the vet on a workday, on a semi-emergency basis (Vs. pre-scheduled appt.). But so far have managed to get the cat there before work (although am still usually a little late for work that way), & pick her up afterward. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:10:01 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, > > Maybe I'll start claiming that my cats are two-legged offspring. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > work (although am still usually a little late for work that way), & pick her > up afterward. Yeah, how come people don't have to take their kids to the pediatrician at 7:00 PM? ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Yeah, how come people don't have to take their kids to the > pediatrician at 7:00 PM? ;-) Ah, if only my doctor kept the same hours my vet did. Then maybe I wouldn't have the 2-3 hour waits! rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:57:32 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said, > > Yeah, how come people don't have to take their kids to the > > pediatrician at 7:00 PM? ;-) > > Ah, if only my doctor kept the same hours my vet did. Then maybe I wouldn't > have the 2-3 hour waits! No kidding! It takes longer to get in to *see* a doctor than the office visit! Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >My opinion only, >I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >because they are too poor to eat, or too sick to live, or too unlucky to >live in a good family. I *so* do not understand your logic. Have you ever volunteered at a shelter? It's pretty easy to justify breeding your cats if you haven't. However, the miracle of birth just loses some luster once you witness the miracle of euthanasia. Your argument about children seems rather moot. ....two wrongs don't make a right .Honest. We are killing cats at an alarming rate in this country. It has to stop. The only way it's going to stop is if people neuter *all* their cats. Spend some time at a shelter, please. I *guarantee* your attitude toward breeding will change once you watch dead kittens being bagged up. Sherry circa 15 Feb 2004 21:47:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > Spend some time at a shelter, please. I *guarantee* your attitude toward > breeding will change once you watch dead kittens being bagged up. Too true, and too sad. :-( Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > >My opinion only, > >I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > your cats if you haven't. However, the miracle of birth just loses some luster > once you witness the miracle of euthanasia. Amen, sistah. Nothing sadder than seeing a healthy young animal euthanized....except maybe a former pet who was dumped after 10 years because "we're moving"... :*( -L. > My opinion only, > I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I agree that we have to save the cats and help their population go down... I > am a cat lover and want their well being just like every cat lover does. Then quit contributing to the problem. > But, frankly, I am much more concerned about the children dying everyday > because they are too poor to eat, or too sick to live, or too unlucky to > live in a good family. Ok, if that's your logic, how many children have *you* adopted, then? None? Oh, I see... The thing is, there are "X" number of homes for cats, and many more cats than available homes. Every kitten born adds to the problem, and cats and kittens are euthanized by the thousands in this country for lack of homes. There is simply *no reason* to breed more when thousands die every day. > You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having > children when so many children die everyday. Sure you do. Maybe you haven't heared people say that, but many, many people feel that way. That argument is part of the childfree movement, in fact. Not that I'm an advocate of arguing humans vs. feline rhetoric, BTW. > But you are blasted and put down for letting a cat do what every female of > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. Oh, please. First of all it's "species". Secondly, if you think the main purpose of females is to breed offspring, then I feel very, very sorry for you, indeed. -L. (Wondering where these kooks are crawling out from...) > > My opinion only, > > I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Then quit contributing to the problem. > > But, frankly, I am much more concerned about the children dying everyday > > because they are too poor to eat, or too sick to live, or too unlucky to > > live in a good family. > > Ok, if that's your logic, how many children have *you* adopted, then? > None? Oh, I see... GREAT point! That ought to shut the hypocritical a.shole up! Phil << > Ok, if that's your logic, how many children have *you* adopted, then? > None? Oh, I see... GREAT point! That ought to shut the hypocritical a.shole up! >> Well, she is only in her early 20s so she may wind up adopting many children someday, who knows. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) You're telling a man who has called this girl horrible names "GREAT point? she may adopt kids?" Sweet jesus, it really is amusing in here. -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > << > Ok, if that's your logic, how many children have *you* adopted, then? > > None? Oh, I see... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) Sorry about this placement of my post, people - I still can't find the original post, so have to reply here, even though it's not a response to L's post... > > My opinion only, > > I can hardly see people with children putting down people who let their cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I agree that we have to save the cats and help their population go down... I > > am a cat lover and want their well being just like every cat lover does. If so, then you're not thinking this through logically, IMO. If you want a cute kitten or two, just visit the local shelter, where they're up for adoption. > > You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having > > children when so many children die everyday. You may not *hear* it, but it may well be said behind their backs. Otoh, if not discussing any particular couple/family, the concept of fewer pregnancies/children born certainly exists. > > But you are blasted and put down for letting a cat do Once upon a time (thinking of the 50's - 60's & prior to that, for example), it's likely no one would've batted an eye. But people are now aware that there are so very many cats (pets, in general) at shelters waiting to be adopted, & that many of them are euthanized, to make way for the new arrivals. > > what every female of > > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. Arghhh. In that case, acc. to this statement of yours, it looks like I've been deemed as having flunked out of life. Along w/ every other woman who has had no children, for one reason or another. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon <snip> > > > what every female of > > > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cathy Not only that, it's incredibly insulting and hurtful to those who are infertile. That's like telling someone who is vision impaired - "Your life is meaningless because you can't see". -L. > > > > what every female of > > > > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > infertile. That's like telling someone who is vision impaired - "Your > life is meaningless because you can't see". Re-read the first statement (about females, including women, being put on earth to have babies). It makes women sound like domesticated cows, and it's just as insulting to men because it makes men into sperm donors. I think it says more about what she thinks of her own life and worth than anything else. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ see apology in more recent post "Re: is this normal?" I am not a monster. I am a younster. Forgive me for my lack of sensitivity in that statement. For my lack of experience in life. Believe me, I am much more sensitive than what came through in there. I really didn't even have "women" in mind when I wrote it. It never came to my mind that it would came through as a direct atttack to every women. To the ones who can't have children, I am truely sorry as well. I admire your for your strenght in Life. Mia > > > > > what every female of > > > > > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ > http://slywy.diaryland.com/ > I am not a monster. I am a younster. Forgive me for my lack of sensitivity > in that statement. For my lack of experience in life. Believe me, I am much [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mia For someone in their twenties, you sure seem very manipulative. > > I am not a monster. I am a younster. Forgive me for my lack of sensitivity > > in that statement. For my lack of experience in life. Believe me, I am much [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > For someone in their twenties, you sure seem very manipulative. You want manipulative - try a teenager! Say, 14 - 17 yr. old. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > For someone in their twenties, you sure seem very manipulative. > > You want manipulative - try a teenager! Say, 14 - 17 yr. old. > > Cathy I avoid them all I can so I´d never know. LOL What do you base this judgement on? And tell me then how I should react, what would be the best thing to do in the situation I am in? Giving some sort of apology for a start seemed to be the best thing to do... Do you have a better idea? Thanks for your help. Mia > > I am not a monster. I am a younster. Forgive me for my lack of sensitivity > > in that statement. For my lack of experience in life. Believe me, I am much [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > For someone in their twenties, you sure seem very manipulative. > What do you base this judgement on? And tell me then how I should react, > what would be the best thing to do in the situation I am in? Giving some > sort of apology for a start seemed to be the best thing to do... Do you have > a better idea? > Thanks for your help. Mia, you are fine. Brighter than many and you have that oft-missing ingredient: courage. > > I am not a monster. I am a younster. Forgive me for my lack of sensitivity > > in that statement. For my lack of experience in life. Believe me, I am much [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > For someone in their twenties, you sure seem very manipulative. Or might you mean "diplomatic?" Not everyone has to be a rigid boob in their opinions, or unable to admit it when they are wrong or said something insensitive without thinking of the consequences. > You never hear people telling parents that they are irresponsible for having > children when so many children die everyday. > But you are blasted and put down for letting a cat do what every female of > every specie is put on Earth for: having babies at least once. You'd hear me say it. I think too many humans breed, too. / no kids Signature-- ~kaeli~ A hangover is the wrath of grapes. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > >Do you have children? > > What difference does that make? > > Sherry Apparently it thinks children are being euthanized for lack of homes in the US - thus the anology... -L. Don't you have a kid you should be tending to? -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > > >Do you have children? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. "L" who has in the past referred to mothers as words I will not mention, has decided to all of a sudden put in her two cents, out of boredom I assume....she assumes from your question that you are a mother hence refers to you as an "it"..not a person....... But they have called me a troll.......decide for yourself frigamia. I had unsubscribed to this newsgroup after many nasty responses. I'm sure eventually you'll do the same. If you don't agree with them, you are considered a troll and called names...oh, and your kids will be brought into the discussion, also. Just warning you. I joined the newsgroup as I am the mother of four children, make that six including my two sweet kitties, but unfortunately a few people here are a bit high schoolish as I am sure you will see. Good luck to you, though. Chris -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > > >Do you have children? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:54:27 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, > "L" who has in the past referred to mothers as words I will not mention, You mean "breeder"? It means "one who breeds." It's also a term sometimes used for people who produce oodles of children without having the common sense to raise them not to be asshats like their parents. Judging by your continued pointless trolling, it was accurate. And please spare us the virgin ears routine- we've seen your posts. You have quite a command of gutter filth, albeit little grasp of cogent discourse. > has > decided to all of a sudden put in her two cents, out of boredom I > assume.... You mean like you, right now, after your: a. supposed unsubscribe b. supposed killfiling of half the participants of this newsgroup and c. "not really" unsubscribe, "I made it up" killfiling and subsequent supposed "lurking"? > she assumes from your question that you are a mother hence refers > to you as an "it"..not a person....... Or perhaps L didn't glean the gender of the person from the post s/he read. Projecting again, are we, Christina? By the way, you only need one period to finish a sentence. The next one then begins with a capital letter. I guess in your stellar career as a secretary, you're not required to type. Is this more of a kneepad kind of job, then? Or did you just save up all those periods during thirty-six months of pregnancy and decide to use them all up here? > But they have called me a troll....... Because you are. > decide for yourself frigamia. Frigamia knew when she first posted that she'd get hassled for breeding her cat, as she stated in that first post. I choose not to do so, but not because I think people should intentionally breed cats. I simply chose to take what sounded like a coherent post at face value and noted that her other cats are neutered. I also am choosing to assume that frigamia has homes ready for the kittens that are going to be coming. > I had > unsubscribed to this newsgroup after many nasty responses. No, Christina, you claimed to have done so after *producing* many nasty responses, but you didn't unsubscribe. You simply changed your display name and posted over and over about your supposed "lurking" status. You really are as smart as a box of rocks, aren't you? > I'm sure > eventually you'll do the same. Or frigamia may prove not to have the same mental issues that you do, which likely result from living like uneducated trash and carrying a weighty chip on your shoulder along with your G.E.D and Wal-Mart personality. > If you don't agree with them, you are > considered a troll and called names... Your misperception of reality is astounding. Bordering on delusional, in fact. Do you really think that frigamia is incapable of searching for your posts under "Christina" and your subsequent posts under "CT"? If not, let me now encourage frigamia to do so and to see what a perfect example you are of people who shouldn't reproduce. > oh, and your kids will be brought into > the discussion, also. <snort> You mean after *you* brought them into the discussion, then got pissed off at L for referring to you as a breeder? Based on your posts, it was a generous term to use for you. > Just warning you. I joined the newsgroup as I am the > mother of four children, Let me guess, the first one "came along" when you were, oh, let's see...seventeen? Fifteen? I'm sure it was a planned pregnancy and you'd finished your education first. And you're no doubt raising your little duhlings to be as charming, benevolent and well-read as you are. > make that six including my two sweet kitties, Cats deserve to live with people who aren't oozing bile and vituperation (look it up, Einstein) with every breath. > but > unfortunately a few people here are a bit high schoolish No, just you, but that's no surprise as it was probably the last formal education you had. > as I am sure you > will see. Good luck to you, though. I'm sure frigamia will sleep better knowing that she has the well- wishes of a bellicose maniac whose gift to the world is a stream of whiny posts endlessly spewing bilge about how abused she is. Damn, now I have to go build up my karma again, or I might return in my next life as a nasty troll with an Internet connection, a litter attesting to my lack of ability to use birth control, and a house full of glue traps with cats stuck to them. Laura SignatureThere's a hell of a distance between wisecracking and wit. Wit has truth in it; wisecracking is simply calisthenics with words. -Dorothy Parker > You really are as smart as a box of rocks, aren't you? I feel compelled to protest on behalf of boxes of rocks everywhere. > > oh, and your kids will be brought into > > the discussion, also. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > attesting to my lack of ability to use birth control, and a house > full of glue traps with cats stuck to them. Hot damn, Laura. Write much? ;) circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:07:04 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > You really are as smart as a box of rocks, aren't you? > > I feel compelled to protest on behalf of boxes of rocks everywhere. Yeah, you're right. Sorry, rocks. ;-) > > > oh, and your kids will be brought into > > > the discussion, also. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Hot damn, Laura. Write much? ;) Gee, does it show? ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > > Hot damn, Laura. Write much? ;) > > Gee, does it show? ;-) You bet. Admirable. circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:20:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > > Hot damn, Laura. Write much? ;) > > > > Gee, does it show? ;-) > > You bet. Admirable. Many thanks. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > > You really are as smart as a box of rocks, aren't you? > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Hot damn, Laura. Write much? ;) Laura is the Kung Fu Master: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame22.html -L. circa 15 Feb 2004 12:00:06 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, -L. (k3_e81@yahoo.com) said, > > > Damn, now I have to go build up my karma again, or I might return in > > > my next life as a nasty troll with an Internet connection, a litter [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Laura is the Kung Fu Master: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame22.html Wee HAW! I mean, hi YAAH, or ohmmm or something... ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:54:27 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > during thirty-six months of pregnancy and decide to use them all up > here? Pointless. circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:35:24 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, frigamia (frigami@hotmail.com) said, > Pointless. Frigamia, why don't you take me up on my suggestion to search for Christine's posts and take a look at her "history" here before you decide what is pointless and what isn't? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Exactly frig.......my point exactly....... > Pointless. >Exactly frig.......my point exactly....... Oh kee-rist. You don't *have* a point, unless it's the one at the top of your head. Go spend some time with your kids or something. Sherry I have spent time with my children all day Sherry.......they are sleeping now thanks for your concern though. Christina -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > >Exactly frig.......my point exactly....... > > Oh kee-rist. You don't *have* a point, unless it's the one at the top of your > head. Go spend some time with your kids or something. > > Sherry circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:00:06 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, > Exactly frig.......my point exactly....... No, dear, those are called "periods", not points. We'll work on commas next week. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Oh I think I have better things to do, thanks for your help though Laura. -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:00:06 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:05:48 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, > -- > http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > Oh I think I have better things to do, thanks for your help though Laura. I'm guessing this is why you had such a successful high school career, too. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. If you consider graduating high school and graduating college successful, while at the same time having two young children....I'd say I've done pretty damn good for myself....so....how were your high school and college years spent? -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > circa Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:05:48 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:41:28 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, > If you consider graduating high school and graduating college successful, > while at the same time having two young children.... Translation: GED and vo-tech junior college because you got knocked up in tenth grade. > I'd say I've done pretty > damn good for myself....so....how were your high school and college years > spent? Why don't you go read my response to you from the last time you were so inane as to claim your secretarial credentials as evidence of your brilliance? Unlike you, Christina, I attack from a position of strength. I'm not so ignorant as to wade into Usenet thinking that the ability to spit children out like puppies and a hot-hot-hot job as a typist are going to impress the electronic masses. I trump you at every turn, but pointing out just to what extent I do so really dents my karma, so how about if you don't make me embarrass you further? Besides, while I *am* arrogant, I really detest crowing over my achievements and I've already done so here once. You are a very unhappy woman, Christina, but I'm sorry, you're just not skilled enough to make the rest of us suffer as you do. You've grown boring as a chew-toy, and I'm afraid I'm forced to killfile you under this alias, as well. You waste my bandwidth. Besides, I really do have better things to do than to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Laura SignatureMoral indignation is, in most cases, 2% moral, 48% indignation, and 50% envy. --Vittorio de Sica You waste much more bandwidth than I do with your very long bullsh*t statements. Notice mine are short and to the point. I'm wondering why you keep claiming you will killfile me, but haven't? GED? I have a diploma. Vo-tech? I went to college. Can you read? I won't waste time explaining to you any personal info about me than I already have. This newsgroup is full of women who should be in a childfree by choice newsgroup instead of obviously bashing the mothers in here. It's really pathetic what you all have said to frig. By the way, I'm very happy honey. You on the other hand seem very angry lately. Might wanna see a therapist for that. Also, you haven't in the least embarrassed me, you've done a great job embarrassing yourself though. I've gotten many personal emails from many of the people who attempt to join this newsgroup looking for help and end up in flame wars and being called morons, idiotic. I still get emails from those who are still here who think many of you are just plain heartless, but those emails will remain private. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for the way you treat people. I'm realizing that there are many in here who are very unhappy with their lives, but making fun and attacking newbie's make them feel better. You aren't worth my time. -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:41:28 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > C.T. (christinamarie29@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > 50% envy. > --Vittorio de Sica Feb 2004: > By the way, you only need one period to finish a sentence. The next > one then begins with a capital letter. I guess in your stellar career > as a secretary, you're not required to type. Is this more of a > kneepad kind of job, then? Or did you just save up all those periods > during thirty-six months of pregnancy and decide to use them all up > here? rotflmao! Ahhh. I needed that belly laugh. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > Just warning you. I joined the newsgroup as I am the >mother of four children, make that six including my two sweet kitties, but >unfortunately a few people here are a bit high schoolish as I am sure you You joined the newsgroup because you are the mother of four children? And you spend your evening trolling newsgroups? Geez. Go spend some time helping them with homework. Read to them. Talk to them and find out what happened today in their lives. Sheesh. I'd hate to remember my mother hunched over the computer trolling newsgroups and spewing filthy language. Sherry > > Just warning you. I joined the newsgroup as I am the > >mother of four children, make that six including my two sweet kitties, but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry No doubt. Then she wonders why people say they pity her children. The slimeball even had the nerve to brag about her stellar parenting abilities in the infertility newsgroup. Everybody there told her to piss off as well. Unfortunately, she's not smart enough to reccognize where she's not welcomed... -L. circa 15 Feb 2004 12:08:00 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, -L. (k3_e81@yahoo.com) said, > The slimeball even had the nerve to brag about her stellar parenting > abilities in the infertility newsgroup. You have to be kidding. What on earth would spur somebody to that kind of cruelty? > Everybody there told her to > piss off as well. Unfortunately, she's not smart enough to reccognize > where she's not welcomed... No argument there. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Now waiting for "L" aka Lyn....who has called mothers whores and moo cows, to post Report The Troll..... -- http://www.picturetrail.com/christinamarie34 > > > Just warning you. I joined the newsgroup as I am the > > >mother of four children, make that six including my two sweet kitties, but [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -L. > The slimeball even had the nerve to brag about her stellar parenting > abilities in the infertility newsgroup. Everybody there told her to > piss off as well. Unfortunately, she's not smart enough to reccognize > where she's not welcomed... > > -L. If she did that she´s very likely a troll. She probably belongs to some group of trolls that compete to see who gets the most replies. They can´t be too obvious in their trolling or they will be quickly recognized as trolls, so they have to be subtle. I wonder if this one´s winning? How many replies has she had until now? Over 100? circa 16 Feb 2004 05:53:13 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Liz (c864320@yahoo.com) said, > > The slimeball even had the nerve to brag about her stellar parenting > > abilities in the infertility newsgroup. Everybody there told her to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > recognized as trolls, so they have to be subtle. I wonder if this > one?s winning? How many replies has she had until now? Over 100? That might explain her post at some point earlier, noting exactly how many replies she'd gotten. Laura |
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