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John Doe - 10 Feb 2004 02:02 GMT
I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do. I am not
getting along with my girlfriends cat at all. This all JUST happened
recently. Every night for the past 2 months he has been waking me up
at anywhere between 4 and 6am. Last night I slept for 4 hrs max. It
makes me very irritable. Also I am a type 1 diabetic and when my sleep
is ruined for a consecutive length of time like this, it affects my
blood sugar. It's like having a baby - with no reward, because he
gives nothing to me, no comfort and no affection and no interest. He
is not a kitten, so I don't think he will 'grow out of it'. He is a 5
year old, 25 lb. monster the size of a small dog. He does not play as
much as we try to play with him. He will not sit on your lap. He shows
zero affection. He runs away from mice. He rubs his a.s on the sheets
after going to the bathroom and there are sh.t stains on the sheets
and the rug. His only interest is food. But even when I leave him
plenty of food overnight he is insufferable. He demands that I wake up
- and that is the end goal - not to play, not to feed, not to do
anything. Before he used to knock things over, especially glasses of
water off the nightstand. Then he stopped. Then he started opening the
curtains to let the sun in, and walk all over me. Now he is still
opening the curtains but also eating plastic, trying to make noise,
etc. etc. Leaving food out has caused a bug problem in our house -
yet, a roach will crawl a millimeter away from him and he will do
nothing. De facto he has actually increased the roaches. Every night
for the past 6 weeks minimum I have been getting up in the middle of
the night - every night - and I feel like hell. Locking the door to
the bedroom only makes it worse - then he gets really loud and will
NOT shut up. If I get up to feed to him - he will nibble for a second
and that's it. Sometimes  I get up and the bowl is full. He just wants
me awake. I never did anything to him. I tried to be friendly. We
treat him well. We give him treats and toys. He does not care for the
toys though. He has a scratching post, yet the records and other
scratchables are 1/2way destroyed. I am pissed. I don't want to live
like this. He is turning into a giant pain-in-the-a.s, and I hate
myself for saying this but I am starting to hate him and I don't want
to but how can I make him act more decent for crying out loud??? HELP
ME!!!
Cheryl - 10 Feb 2004 02:30 GMT
Feb 2004:

> I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do. I am not
> getting along with my girlfriends cat at all.

I know you're frustrated, but the more I read your post, the more I
giggled.  :)

This all JUST happened
> recently. Every night for the past 2 months he has been waking me up
> at anywhere between 4 and 6am. Last night I slept for 4 hrs max. It
> makes me very irritable. Also I am a type 1 diabetic and when my sleep
> is ruined for a consecutive length of time like this, it affects my
> blood sugar.

Anything that has changed in the last 2 months, or was that when your GF
got him?  Have you guys put him on a diet and he is hungry at night?

It's like having a baby - with no reward, because he
> gives nothing to me, no comfort and no affection and no interest. He
> is not a kitten, so I don't think he will 'grow out of it'. He is a 5
> year old, 25 lb. monster the size of a small dog. He does not play as
> much as we try to play with him. He will not sit on your lap. He shows
> zero affection. He runs away from mice.

If you are going to stay in good graces of your Gf, you are going to need
to win over this cat.  ;)  What kinds of toys have you tried?  I have a
very large overweight cat who doesn't like to play much but I've found
recently that he LOVES playing with Da Bird interactive toy.  His eyes get
big and he will waddle after it, forgetting that he's afraid of the other
cats for a while.

He rubs his a.s on the sheets
> after going to the bathroom and there are sh.t stains on the sheets
> and the rug.

Yup yup.. this is a sign of an overweight cat that can't clean himself;
Shadow does this, too.  I have to get his butt shaved at the vet to keep
poop from sticking to him.  It stops the butt dragging for a while. You
have to keep up with it, though.

His only interest is food. But even when I leave him
> plenty of food overnight he is insufferable.

This is why he will never lose weight.  He *will* get used to regular
meals.  I feed mine (fit and fat alike) 2 meals per day.  You might have to
close your bedroom door in order to get some sleep but it is do-able.  

He demands that I wake up
> - and that is the end goal - not to play, not to feed, not to do
> anything. Before he used to knock things over, especially glasses of
> water off the nightstand. Then he stopped. Then he started opening the
> curtains to let the sun in, and walk all over me. Now he is still
> opening the curtains but also eating plastic, trying to make noise,
> etc. etc.

Yes, mine *did* do this too.  You need to find a way to tire him out at
night before you go to sleep, do you have any cat trees?  If he's sedintary
it might take a little work to get him active, but if you get him a LITTLE
active at night, it will help to tire him out.  Does he have a playmate?

Leaving food out has caused a bug problem in our house -

Another reason to get him used to regular meal time.  Feed, preferably
canned food if he likes it, leave for 30 minutes and refrigerate the
leftovers.  Eventually he will learn that food is not left 24/7.  This
doesn't mean make  him starve if he doesn't eat (not only is this cruel for
a cat used to food 24/7 and it might have to be done gradually, but it can
cause horrendous health problems for an overweight cat -- hepatic
lipidosis)

> yet, a roach will crawl a millimeter away from him and he will do
> nothing. De facto he has actually increased the roaches. Every night
> for the past 6 weeks minimum I have been getting up in the middle of
> the night - every night - and I feel like hell. Locking the door to
> the bedroom only makes it worse - then he gets really loud and will
> NOT shut up.

Is there a room he can be in during the adjustment period?  You will need a
room where you won't care about carpet scratched up at the door jam.  

If I get up to feed to him - he will nibble for a second
> and that's it. Sometimes  I get up and the bowl is full. He just wants
> me awake.

He is bored.

I never did anything to him. I tried to be friendly. We
> treat him well. We give him treats and toys. He does not care for the
> toys though. He has a scratching post, yet the records and other
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> to but how can I make him act more decent for crying out loud??? HELP
> ME!!!

I think he is sensing that he is bringing about this emotion.  Changes need
to happen and they CAN happen.  Ask us questions.  Try some suggestions.  
For every negative you have for each suggestion, we can offer counters.  
This can be resolved!  There are way worse cats out there, trust me!!!  
There are many of here who will walk you through any obstacle you
encounter, and we'll tell you what you're doing wrong.  Up for it?  :))

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Cathy Friedmann - 10 Feb 2004 02:52 GMT
> Feb 2004:
>
> > I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do. I am not
> > getting along with my girlfriends cat at all.

<a lot snipped, throughout>

> If you are going to stay in good graces of your Gf, you are going to need
> to win over this cat.  ;)  What kinds of toys have you tried?  I have a
> very large overweight cat who doesn't like to play much but I've found
> recently that he LOVES playing with Da Bird interactive toy.

Seconding the recommendation of Da Bird.  Sold through Drs. Foster & Smith,
for one place.  My cats have all loved Da Bird.  Thank goodness replacement
feathers are available - they've gone through several of them.

> He rubs his a.s on the sheets
> > after going to the bathroom and there are sh.t stains on the sheets
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> poop from sticking to him.  It stops the butt dragging for a while. You
> have to keep up with it, though.

The OP might also want to get his gf's cat's anal glands checked (at the
vet), in case that's what's leaking, besides just leftover poop.  If the
anal glands need expressing, they could be leaving brown stains on the
sheets, or wherever the cat's sitting.

> He demands that I wake up
> > - and that is the end goal - not to play, not to feed, not to do
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > opening the curtains but also eating plastic, trying to make noise,
> > etc. etc.

My first cat used to put a paw under the bedroom closet's door & rattle it
back & forth in the door jamb.  Another cat used to tip the wastepaper
basket over just a little - enough for it to rock back & forth on the
floor - cla-clunk, cla-clunk...  Another one used to repeatedly tap me on
the face w/ her paw.  Presently, neither one is performing wake-up calls,
though; thank goodness. ;-)

> I never did anything to him. I tried to be friendly. We
> > treat him well. We give him treats and toys. He does not care for the
> > toys though.

You could try really simple stuff like small pieces of crumpled up paper or
tissue paper for him to bat around, empty cardboard boxes, & empty paper
bags (no handles, though - cats' heads can get caught in carrier handles).
He may actually like stuff like that better than 'real' toys.

Cathy

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"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon
Cheryl - 10 Feb 2004 03:02 GMT
> You could try really simple stuff like small pieces of crumpled up
> paper or tissue paper for him to bat around, empty cardboard boxes, &
> empty paper bags (no handles, though - cats' heads can get caught in
> carrier handles). He may actually like stuff like that better than
> 'real' toys.

I have a good feeling about this.  When you have an impossible cat and
start to make a difference, or start to make friends and they pick up on
that and behavior starts to change, an impossible bond forms and I bet
these two will become friends.  :)

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Cathy Friedmann - 10 Feb 2004 03:01 GMT
> > You could try really simple stuff like small pieces of crumpled up
> > paper or tissue paper for him to bat around, empty cardboard boxes, &
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> that and behavior starts to change, an impossible bond forms and I bet
> these two will become friends.  :)

I hope so - for all 3 involved.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon
Laura R. - 10 Feb 2004 03:16 GMT
circa 10 Feb 2004 02:30:42 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl
(jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said,
> If I get up to feed to him - he will nibble for a second
> > and that's it. Sometimes  I get up and the bowl is full. He just wants
> > me awake.
>
> He is bored.

Bingo. How about another kitty for him to play with? :-)

Laura
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Laura R. - 10 Feb 2004 03:15 GMT
circa 9 Feb 2004 18:02:05 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, John
Doe (goingtokillthecat@yahoo.com) said,
> I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do. I am not
> getting along with my girlfriends cat at all. This all JUST happened
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> to but how can I make him act more decent for crying out loud??? HELP
> ME!!!

Okay, I just have to ask- where is your girlfriend during the cat's
shenanigans?

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al - 10 Feb 2004 04:47 GMT
| I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do. I am not
| getting along with my girlfriends cat at all. This all JUST happened
| recently. Every night for the past 2 months he has been waking me up
| at anywhere between 4 and 6am. Last night I slept for 4 hrs max. It
| makes me very irritable. Also I am a type 1 diabetic and when my sleep
| is ruined for a consecutive length of time like this, it affects my

Here are some suggestions:

7. Yes, for your own health you must finesse this problem which
can be quite dangerous for a Type 1 diabetic to not get proper
sleep and then perhaps sleep too much, yes?

6. How old are you and how old is the cat, may I ask?

5. It's good that you are asking. Is the cat healthy? When was
the last time the cat was seen by a vet? Is the cat obese? Does
he waddle? 25 pounds is obese unless a huge Main coon cat or some
such.

4. You are getting stressed out. What you are experiencing is
typical and a major problem for cats, that is, "behavior"
problems because people don't do a little reading on what to do
with cats. The cat is probably getting freaked out by something
and there are some good suggestions here. Most cats are sent to
shelters because of problems just like this.

3. "Clicker" training or a book on how to teach a cat tricks.
This is crucial for the both of you. It will exercise his feline
brain and yours and improve the quality of life. Right now, this
cat is a high school drop-out, he needs some education. If you
can train the cat, maybe 1 trick a month, then, THEN, you are
learning how to communicate with the cat, which must be by
"trickery" for you cannot punish a cat. They don't get
punishment. You have to out-smart the little bugger. I am amazed
that my cat still does the tricks I taught her. It's there for
the future. She'll come on command and allow leash and harness. I
am getting lazy but she still allows me to harness her up if
needs be.

2. A laser light to see if he will chase the light for some real
exercise. They are cheap now. Best Buy has one for $13 which uses
AAA and is much better than the button battery type which wear
out fast. Not dangerous but don't shine in the eyes.

1. If the cat is obese, it can get diabetes, just like people, so
a little more  discipline and reading about cat feeding. As the
cat gets sicker or more prone to disease, like urinary tract
infections if obese and dry cat food all the time, then your life
will be triple hell.
Priscilla H Ballou - 10 Feb 2004 18:14 GMT
al <angstrom11@yahoo.com> quoth:

>3. "Clicker" training or a book on how to teach a cat tricks.
>This is crucial for the both of you. It will exercise his feline
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>am getting lazy but she still allows me to harness her up if
>needs be.

Can you recommend books or other resources on training cats?  Thanks!

Priscilla
Orchid - 10 Feb 2004 22:12 GMT
>al <angstrom11@yahoo.com> quoth:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Can you recommend books or other resources on training cats?  Thanks!

    I'm not the OP, but I have two clicker-trained cats, each with
~20 behaviours.

    Good book:

    Clicker Training for Cats by Karen Pryor

    Good resource:

    Yahoo Group called 'Cat-Clicker' -- A great place to connect
with other people that train their cats.

Orchid
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m. L. Briggs - 10 Feb 2004 05:34 GMT
>I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do. I am not
>getting along with my girlfriends cat at all. This all JUST happened
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>to but how can I make him act more decent for crying out loud??? HELP
>ME!!!
Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?
Alexandra - 10 Feb 2004 12:54 GMT
> Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?

O wow, very intelligent posting to someone whos obviously trying to
get along with a catty cat.

to the OP: how long have you been living with them? I remember when I
first brought my bf, my Charley always bit his legs (my bf´s, that is)
and wouldnt leave him alone at any time (specially in bed,
nosebiting...)because he was dead jealous.

Dave didnt give up cause he knew I was only available with three sets
of pointed ears, and after some time they got over it, with patience.
And with the help of a couple of chicken fillets and cream... (Charley
_never_ can be bribed with playing)

;)

Good luck!

Alex >^.^<
John Doe - 10 Feb 2004 15:11 GMT
>  Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?

Well for starters because we are engaged to be married. But guess what
- there were no interruptions I slept last night! Whoo-hoo!!! Is the
cat psychic? Did he sense that I was complaining about him to
strangers?

Thanks for all you suggestions. I looked at some of the other posts
about being kept awake and a lot of the replies were basically saying
get used to it, or how dare you criticise the feline. Thank you for
your understanding and sympathy as well.

I guess we'll try different toys, different techniques. He is pretty
damn obese though. Putting him on a diet didn't help. At all. Probably
time for a vet visit.
Karen - 10 Feb 2004 15:13 GMT
A note about losing weight, canned works out better even though usually a
"lite" dry food is recommended. You'd do better to feed canned and he will
probably be more satisfied.

Karen

> >  Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> damn obese though. Putting him on a diet didn't help. At all. Probably
> time for a vet visit.
Mary - 10 Feb 2004 17:40 GMT
> A note about losing weight, canned works out better even though usually a
> "lite" dry food is recommended. You'd do better to feed canned and he will
> probably be more satisfied.

I have heard you say this before, just wanted to let you know that I
am
trying this with Buddha. She just got fatter on dry diet cat food.
(Iams)
Cheeks gets half a little can of food twice a day. I am going to give
Boo half in the morning and see if it means she eats less dry. Thanks.
Wendy - 10 Feb 2004 22:11 GMT
> A note about losing weight, canned works out better even though
usually a
> "lite" dry food is recommended. You'd do better to feed canned and
he will
> probably be more satisfied.

I have heard you say this before, just wanted to let you know that I
am
trying this with Buddha. She just got fatter on dry diet cat food.
(Iams)
Cheeks gets half a little can of food twice a day. I am going to give
Boo half in the morning and see if it means she eats less dry. Thanks.

What gets me with the diet dry cat food is the amount they recommend feeding
on the bag. Follow those directions and the cat is getting the same or more
calories than if they were still on the regular. No wonder no cat ever loses
weight on that stuff. But as my vet said they are trying to sell you food.
The more the cat eats the sooner you buy more.
Mary - 11 Feb 2004 00:01 GMT
> What gets me with the diet dry cat food is the amount they recommend feeding
> on the bag. Follow those directions and the cat is getting the same or more
> calories than if they were still on the regular. No wonder no cat ever loses
> weight on that stuff. But as my vet said they are trying to sell you food.
> The more the cat eats the sooner you buy more.

That stinks.
Wendy - 10 Feb 2004 16:01 GMT
>  Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?

Well for starters because we are engaged to be married. But guess what
- there were no interruptions I slept last night! Whoo-hoo!!! Is the
cat psychic? Did he sense that I was complaining about him to
strangers?

Thanks for all you suggestions. I looked at some of the other posts
about being kept awake and a lot of the replies were basically saying
get used to it, or how dare you criticise the feline. Thank you for
your understanding and sympathy as well.

I guess we'll try different toys, different techniques. He is pretty
damn obese though. Putting him on a diet didn't help. At all. Probably
time for a vet visit.

Putting him on a diet isn't going to help your sleep problems at all in the
short run. If anything he may be more of a pain for a while. If he is
grossly overweight it can and probably will lead to other health problems
that will be just as bad if not worse. If you can get him to dump the weight
he can be more active and wear himself out. He'll have the energy to play
and won't be as bored. If he is an only cat there really isn't any reason
for a diet not working. He only eats what you give him.
Mary - 10 Feb 2004 17:38 GMT
> >  Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> damn obese though. Putting him on a diet didn't help. At all. Probably
> time for a vet visit.

Congrats on your upcoming marriage! Get a Hepa filter and shut the cat
out of your room. Your bride will thank you. ;)
Priscilla H Ballou - 10 Feb 2004 18:15 GMT
John Doe <goingtokillthecat@yahoo.com> quoth:

>Thanks for all you suggestions. I looked at some of the other posts
>about being kept awake and a lot of the replies were basically saying
>get used to it, or how dare you criticise the feline. Thank you for
>your understanding and sympathy as well.

I think you communicated well your (at least potential) affection for the
troublesome boy.  :-)  Folks heard that.

Priscilla
al - 10 Feb 2004 18:30 GMT
This thread is ending so I'll top-post because the re-posted part
is going to get all jumbled up.

The replies were all across the board, but this is a public
forum.
I'm not too sure a private cat behaviorist could do any better.
You could try and report back what the paid advice was worth
versus the good, free advice. Don't move out. That was bad
advice.

And I hope you'll say my post was part of the good, free advice.
I like the idea of trying to teach a cat a trick. It's just not
possible to teach any cat any trick unless you tune into that
fine, feline brain. And when I do, it's scary, I don't see much
difference. We're both bored or hungry or wanting to learn new
tricks.

| >  Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?
|
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
| damn obese though. Putting him on a diet didn't help. At all. Probably
| time for a vet visit.
Cathy Friedmann - 10 Feb 2004 21:16 GMT
> >  Poor Baby!  Why don't you get a place of your own?
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> damn obese though. Putting him on a diet didn't help. At all. Probably
> time for a vet visit.

Cats have to lose weight slowly.  If they lose weight too quickly, their
livers can't handle it, & they can become incredibly ill w/ fatty liver
disease.

One of my cats was way too tubby; she weighed 13? pounds, & should've been
around 8 - 10, for her frame.  I took her to the vet for advice on how much
to feed/day.  I kept to the amount he recommended, w/ frequent weigh-ins -
every 2 weeks or so - at first.  Once we knew it was working (we're talking
a few ounces of weight loss at a time), we stayed w/ the plan.  It took
about 5 years, but she eventually lost 4 pounds - enough to be a good weight
again.

Since she was a 'live-to-eat' cat, I divided here daily ration of food up
into 3 potions, feeding her morning, afternoon, & evening.  She still did
plenty of begging in-between, but she did lose weight, & feeding her 3X/day
was better than once or twice, for a cat who was addicted to food.

So, working in tandem w/ the vet, he would be able to lose weight
eventualkly, but it has to be quite strictly adhered to.  I did feed my
dieting cat a few treats/week - miniscule amounts of cheese, milk, a few
pieces of cantaloupe (very few calories there!), etc., just to give her some
variety & fun w/ her food.  It wasn't enough to derail her diet.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon
Wendy - 10 Feb 2004 12:31 GMT
I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do.
<snip>

OP have already mentioned most of what I was thinking. Have the cat checked
at the vet. Have to anal glands checked to see if there is a problem. If he
has a health problem then he is trying to tell you something with the
midnight marauding. If he isn't meant to carry that much weight put him on a
diet and stick to it.  Try to get him tired out before you go to bed.

In the mean time you do need your sleep.  You need the cat out of the
bedroom for the time being. To survive that you need to be able to ignore
the meowing. If there is some way to get some "white noise" going in the
bedroom, that may help. Run a humidifier or fan (depending on the weather
where you are) or a radio with soothing music turned down low. You may want
to try those foam ear plugs. I know people who work nights and use them to
get some sleep during the day. Set the cat up somewhere overnight where he
can't get into trouble (with a litter box and water). The next trick is one
I learned when my son was a baby. We adopted him from Korea and his internal
clock was just the opposite of ours for a while. I had to learn to tune out
the happy noises during the night. It made no sense for me to stay up all
night if he didn't have a problem and wasn't unhappy. You need to tune out
the cat. If you hear him and know he can't get into trouble, you've got to
ignore it and figure it's not your problem. That's where the white noise
helps as there are other noises other than just the cat. People fall asleep
in front of the TV all the time so a cat should be able to be slept through
too.

I completely understand your anger. BTDT. We have a kitten who is finally
starting to settle down during the night. But my son is now in college and
has relearned his night owl ways. Between the music and TV that he "can't
study without:" and the late night calls to the girl friend I've been ready
to send him to Mars. I've had to relearn some of the how to ignore things
skills from his babyhood.

W
Mary - 10 Feb 2004 17:37 GMT
>> In the mean time you do need your sleep.  You need the cat out of
the
> bedroom for the time being. To survive that you need to be able to ignore
> the meowing. If there is some way to get some "white noise" going in the
> bedroom, that may help.

Excellent advice, all of it. I want to add: HEPA AIR FILTER. One big
enough to drown out most noise from behind a closed door is about $60.
I'd go bigger still, the bigger ones are maybe $100. Not only do you
get your white noise but you will breath better.
Wendy - 10 Feb 2004 22:06 GMT
>> In the mean time you do need your sleep.  You need the cat out of
the
> bedroom for the time being. To survive that you need to be able to
ignore
> the meowing. If there is some way to get some "white noise" going in
the
> bedroom, that may help.

Excellent advice, all of it. I want to add: HEPA AIR FILTER. One big
enough to drown out most noise from behind a closed door is about $60.
I'd go bigger still, the bigger ones are maybe $100. Not only do you
get your white noise but you will breath better.

Do you run a HEPA filter? If so does it make much of a difference? I've been
debating on whether to get one (the dh and I both have allergies) but wasn't
sure weather a hepa would be better or an electrostatic one.

Wendy
Mary - 10 Feb 2004 23:59 GMT
>> Do you run a HEPA filter? If so does it make much of a difference?

YES! I love it. I bought it for Cheeks because of her allergies and
asthma, but I
am allergic to dust, cat dander, and mold, and it helps me too. But
the best thing is, this old house has creaky hardwood floors, so you
can hear every move anyone makes downstairs. If I am really tired I
just turn the filter on high up by my bed, and I can't hear anything.
Plus the white noise is a real sleep inducer. Mine is a Duracraft,
about a foot tall and round. The best thing to do is go to your local
Lowes or HD and see what filters they sell and how much they are.
Filters can be expensive, and should be replaced every few months, you
want to be able to get them nearby or find a cheap Internet source. I
cheated and just vacuumed mine out once and it seemed to work fine for
another couple of months. I have lately seen some "permanent" HEPA
filters, that you can apparently wash out. These would be the best
bet.

I've been
> debating on whether to get one (the dh and I both have allergies) but wasn't
> sure weather a hepa would be better or an electrostatic one.
>
> Wendy
Laura R. - 11 Feb 2004 03:12 GMT
circa Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:06:35 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Wendy (wendypart@nospam.com) said,

> Do you run a HEPA filter? If so does it make much of a difference? I've been
> debating on whether to get one (the dh and I both have allergies) but wasn't
> sure weather a hepa would be better or an electrostatic one.

HEPAs are better for dander and for making white noise. Electrostatic
are better for odor control (cooking, whatever) and smoke- if you
burn a candle and then look at an electrostatic collection grid,
you'll be totally grossed out at what you throw into the air just by
burning a pretty candle. I rarely use candles anymore as a result.

At least, that's my experience from two ionic doohickeys and four
HEPAs.

Laura
(allergic to everything)
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Joe Canuck - 10 Feb 2004 18:58 GMT
> I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do.

Calming down would be a good start.

> I am not getting along with my girlfriends cat at all.

We might be able to settle this one very early on... are you getting
along with the girlfriend?

> This all JUST happened
> recently. Every night for the past 2 months he has been waking me up
> at anywhere between 4 and 6am. Last night I slept for 4 hrs max. It
> makes me very irritable. Also I am a type 1 diabetic and when my sleep
> is ruined for a consecutive length of time like this, it affects my
> blood sugar.

Does it go up or down?

If it goes up, exercise... anything... chase the cat around the house.

If it goes down, eat an orange and contemplate your future.

> It's like having a baby - with no reward, because he
> gives nothing to me, no comfort and no affection and no interest.

Don't say he doesn't give you anything... I suspect he gives you an
emotional rollercoaster.

> He
> is not a kitten, so I don't think he will 'grow out of it'. He is a 5
> year old, 25 lb. monster the size of a small dog.

Unless he is of a breed that is heavy by design, he should be put on a
diet. Rest assured, after a few days on the diet he will by desperately
trying to get your attention.

> He does not play as
> much as we try to play with him. He will not sit on your lap. He shows
> zero affection. He runs away from mice. He rubs his a.s on the sheets
> after going to the bathroom and there are sh.t stains on the sheets
> and the rug.

Okay, this last one is actually a problem that can be resolved at the
vet. Dragging rear on anything is a symptom of a medical issue with the
rear that can be resolved, but a vet visit is necessary.

> His only interest is food.

At 25 pounds, apparently.

I have a female purebred Ragdoll cat that is 18 pounds, but by no means
overweight. She has other interests beside food... seems to follow me
all over the house.

I go downstairs, she follows.
I go upstairs, she follows.
I go inside washroom, she sits at the door and howls.

At first, I suspected it was the horrible stench she was complainining
about... but apparently not because the minute the door is open she
scoots inside to greet me like a long lost buddy.

> But even when I leave him
> plenty of food overnight he is insufferable. He demands that I wake up
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> the bedroom only makes it worse - then he gets really loud and will
> NOT shut up.

You see, he does care about you when he complains about not being able
to give you that midnight massage.  ;-)

> If I get up to feed to him - he will nibble for a second
> and that's it.

It is actually your attention this cat is after.

> Sometimes  I get up and the bowl is full. He just wants
> me awake.

You see? He wants you awake so he can enjoy your company, and you his.

> I never did anything to him. I tried to be friendly. We
> treat him well. We give him treats and toys. He does not care for the
> toys though. He has a scratching post, yet the records and other
> scratchables are 1/2way destroyed. I am pissed. I don't want to live
> like this. He is turning into a giant pain-in-the-a.s,

I suspect the cat may have a pain-in-the-a.s which is why he drags his
butt on surfaces.

> and I hate
> myself for saying this but I am starting to hate him and I don't want
> to but how can I make him act more decent for crying out loud??? HELP
> ME!!!

Okay, lets be serious. The first issue is to calm down and realize this
is only an animal. It does not think logically and is not trying to make
your life a living hell. I suspect the animal is crying out for some
help in a roundabout way.

Take him to the vet, explain the rear end symptoms to the vet who can
deal with this. The vet will also suggest a diet and offer you some
advice in that area.

Get the medical issues taken care of first... the behavioral ones may
follow along or be less intense once the medical stuff is along the way.

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m. L. Briggs - 10 Feb 2004 19:42 GMT
>> I can't sleep and I'm very angry and I don't know what to do.
>
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>Get the medical issues taken care of first... the behavioral ones may
>follow along or be less intense once the medical stuff is along the way.

You give good advice.  I know I tend to take people at their word and
I have seen too many people who truly hate cats.

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