Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2003
Steatitis
|
|
Thread rating:  |
S. Gass - 26 Jul 2003 20:56 GMT *** *** PLEASE NOTE - squeamish individuals may not want to read past the second paragraph ***
Our 12 year old male DSH Bubba has steatitis, possibly as a result of eating salmon & tuna flavored food from a well-known manufacturer. The vet says that it's more likely due to Bubba being unable to properly utilize vitamin E. I'm not sure that sounds quite right, but it's irrelevant at this point.
I've been treating him as directed, with vitamin E, 1ml amoxycillin daily and a steroid (the name of which I've forgotten) every other day and, of course, changed his diet. He's getting various canned foods, along with some raw meat - about half chicken, half beef. The beef is about 4 parts lean round to 1 part liver. Dry, poultry-based food is always available. His appetite comes and goes, but he at least eats something. The affected area (the abdominal fat pad) has gotten considerably smaller and softer, and he seems to be feeling better overall.
My primary concern now is what appears to be quite a bit of necrotic tissue. As the weeks have gone by, a number of small holes opened up. At first there was blood draining from them, but lately it's been a clear fluid. Eventually, a number of the small holes combined into a single area of about 1-1/2 x 3", which is now mostly scabbed over.
Part of the scab came off last night, though, revealing an area of decidedly non-healthy tissue. I'm trying not to be too graphic, but it basically looks like old hamburger. First of all, am I correct in assuming that this is necrosis? If so, I suppose it's also safe to assume that the rest of the area is necrotic as well, correct? We were last at the vet about a week ago, and I was told that there wasn't any sign of infection. I can't say that it looks infected now, either - just dead.
How might such a thing be treated? Is it even possible? I understand that the tissue could probably be removed, but I'm not sure there would be enough skin to cover the area.
The vets won't be in until Monday. Should I try to clean it in the meantime, or just leave it alone? I didn't catch the name of the pads they gave me, but I think they're saturated with an antiseptic cleaning solution.
I'd appreciate any advice. Even the more experienced of my vets has only seen a handful of cases in 30+ years. Thanks.
Steve
Liz - 27 Jul 2003 04:15 GMT The first cat I ever had was fed only raw muscle, this was over 11 years ago. He developed steatitis and vitamin E alone cured him. I gave him 400mg per day and in two weeks he was already moving around (he got to the point where he didn't move at all and it took many vets to get him diagnosed - seems vets are not very familiar with nutrient deficiencies). One thing he did *not* have were holes openning up throughout his body. His skin was just fine. Are you sure steatitis is the only thing your cat has? You know for a fact the tissue is necrotic by its smell. Necrotic tissue has a very characteristic smell - smells very much like the liquid skunks use to drive away their enemies. It's nothing like gas (fart) - sorry for the word. It's a more pungent smell. I would have a vet look at it because dead tissue can cause serious infection.
What I do know is that vitamin C deficiency causes hemorrhages and skin ruptures but cats can make their own vitamin C. What I do not know is what is the precursor of vitamin C for cats so if the precursor is missing in the diet, they wouldn't be able to synthesize vitamin C. With the change in diet this should be automatically corrected.
buglady - 27 Jul 2003 11:17 GMT He's getting various canned foods,
> along with some raw meat - about half chicken, half beef. The beef is > about 4 parts lean round to 1 part liver. ......Normally, liver shouldn't exceed 10% of the diet.
Apparently lots of fluid can build up with inflammation - could be why the skin broke open to discharge it. Perhaps the color of what you are seeing is due to ceroid pigmentation:
Scroll down to Case III, where you'll note this cat also ate a canned tuna diet - back in 2000/2001. Don't these manufacturers learn anything? Also note they mention liver as a possible cause, so I'd cut that liver amount in the diet back.
http://www.afip.org/vetpath/WSC/wsc00/00wsc06.htm Ceroid pigment is present as brown/gray globules, mostly within the cytoplasm of macrophages
buglady take out the dog before replying
Marie Fischer - 27 Jul 2003 16:36 GMT > Scroll down to Case III, where you'll note this cat also ate a canned > tuna diet - back in 2000/2001. Don't these manufacturers learn > anything? well, the original poster wrote she fed a "salmon & tuna flavored food", but "flavor" in the name means just that the product must contain an amount sufficient to be able to be detected (which usually isn't much). before accusing the manufacturer, i would try to find out how much % of fish there actually was in the food.
 Signature marie
S. Gass - 27 Jul 2003 20:01 GMT Thank you all for the replies! I'll summarize my response, rather than sending individual replies.
> http://www.afip.org/vetpath/WSC/wsc00/00wsc06.htm > Ceroid pigment is present as brown/gray globules, mostly within the > cytoplasm of macrophages The pathology presented in this link is quite an accurate description of Bubba's condition when we first discovered it. The vet clipped all the hair off his abdomen, and the yellow/brown discoloration was very apparent. At the time, he had one central opening, draining blood. Her immediate reaction was that it was a necrotic malignancy, beyond hope, and that I should put him down. I insisted that she run some tests first, though, and fortunately she consulted with the vet who had seen steatitis.
The only abnormality on the CBC was an elevated white count, of about 28,000. He hasn't had a fever, and did respond very quickly to treatment for steatitis. The holes do appear to be the result of fluid draining from the area, and have usually first manifested as an area of "thin" skin or a blood blister. It's quite difficult to describe accurately, and has been changing rapidly. I've been told that the progression from bloody discharge to clear fluid is a positive sign, however, and there hasn't really been any drainage at all over the past few days.
There hasn't been any obvious indication of parasites, and I don't think the vets have even considered that as a possibility. However, it is easy to imagine that parasitic growth or some other secondary condition have occurred since this all began, or that the skin condition is indeed a result of the medication, and I'll ask the vets tomorrow. It's gotten to the point where they both look at him whenever I bring him in.
The reason I've continued the steroid use is that the area appeared to clear up very quickly when he was first on them. When I stopped the steroids (as directed), it then quickly erupted, and his overall condition deteriorated. Restarting the steroids again led to rapid improvement, and I do have a reference to effusions related to steatitis. You raise a very valid point, though, Liz, and I'll discuss the issue with them in depth.
I hope that I'm looking at the healing process for steatitis, but am concerned that there might be a large area of necrotic tissue, including the skin. I do understand that necrosis is often associated with steatitis. There is an odor as well, although the tissue I looked at yesterday does look just a little less disgusting today - it's smoother, and the affected area doesn't look as deep, although it's still a grayish brown.
The vets have been "on alert", so I'm sure we'll be able to get in there tomorrow morning. I'll still be grateful to receive any additional thoughts/experiences, though, and again, thanks to all for replying!
Steve
Liz - 27 Jul 2003 13:25 GMT I found something that looks worth considering. Since cats are natural hosts of the parasite toxoplasma gondii, it is common to find cats infected with this parasite. The vet prescribed steroids, which weakened your cat's immune system and this may have allowed T. gondii to cause infection - see below. I would have your cat tested for T. gondii and stop using steroids right away if he tests positive. If it were my cat, I'd stop the steroids immediately but NOTE that I'm not a vet!
CASE IV – H99-2875 (AFIP 2737304) Signalment: 12-year-old, castrated male, domestic shorthair cat, Felis cattus. History: The cat was referred to “Exclusively Dermatology” for a multifocal, nodular and ulcerative dermatopathy of 3-4 weeks duration. The cat had been anorexic for 6 days and was systemically unwell and pyrexic (400C). Gross Pathology: None given. Laboratory Results: CBC: Severe lymphopenia Biochemistry: Hypercalcemia, hypercholesterolemia, hyperglycemia, pre-renal azotemia, myopathy. PCR for feline calicivirus, Chlamydia sp. & Neospora caninum: Negative PCR for Toxoplasma gondii & feline herpesvirus-1: Positive Witness  antibody detection kit (Agen) for feline immunodeficiency virus: Positive Contributor’s Diagnosis and Comment: The submission was a 6mm skin biopsy of haired skin. There was mild, irregular epidermal hyperplasia accompanied by moderate, diffuse, spongiosis and multifocal epidermal necrosis. Multifocal intra-epidermal pustules were associated with multifocal, subepidermal vesicle and pustule formation. There was diffuse superficial dermal degeneration and necrosis associated with a moderate, perivascular to diffuse, mixed, predominately neutrophilic and plasmacytic, dermatitis and panniculitis. Extensive vascular degeneration and necrosis was evident within the dermis and there was pyogranulomatous thrombosis of deep dermo-hypodermal venules. Scattered throughout the dermis and hypodermis there were individual and aggregated intra- and extracellular protozoal zoites measuring between 1-2 um diameter and 2-6 um length. Morphologic Diagnosis: Severe, acute, diffuse, dermal vascular necrosis and hypodermal thrombosis with a subacute, diffuse, necrotizing, mixed neutrophilic and plasmacytic dermatitis containing intracytoplasmic and extracellular protozoal zoites: Toxoplasma gondii. Cutaneous disease is an uncommon manifestation of clinical toxoplasmosis in both humans and cats. A review of 100 cases of clinical toxoplasmosis in cats identified only two cats with cutaneous toxoplasmosis. The reported incidence of cutaneous manifestations of toxoplasmosis in humans is also <10%. Toxoplasmosis in cats is usually characterized clinically by fever, dyspnea, polypnea, anorexia, lethargy and abdominal discomfort. The histological changes described in feline cutaneous toxoplasmosis are a toxoplasmic vasculitis and associated infarction. Acute toxoplasmosis in humans is usually characterized by isolated, asymptomatic lymphadenopathy without a rash. Cutaneous manifestations of toxoplasmosis are variable with maculopapular, nodular, purpuric, papulopustular, lichenoid, vegetative or erythema-multiforme-like lesions described. Histologically, varied combinations of vasculitis, perivasculitis, necrosis, periadnexal inflammation, and rare granulomas have been described. As in this case, persistent fever is a frequent finding with feline toxoplasmosis. The significance of the positive serological test for FIV with concurrent clinical toxoplasmosis is controversial. Lappin et al (1996 and 1992) found there was no difference between FIV-naive and FIV-infected cats in terms of clinical illness and duration of oocyst shedding following primary exposure with T. gondii. However, the parenteral administration of T. gondii to FIV-infected cats will induce severe, generalized toxoplasmosis, whereas FIV-negative cats only developed a mild transient disease. Non-congenital toxoplasmosis in humans occurs most commonly in immunocompromised patients suffering from either a neoplastic disorder, collagen vascular disease, organ allograft transplant, or HIV. Felidae are the definitive hosts of T. gondii. Humans and animals become infected mainly by ingesting bradyzoites from infected meat or by sporulated oocysts from cat feces. The sexual cycle of T. gondii only occurs in the intestine of cats. Ingestion of sporulated oocysts or bradyzoites by humans and animals, including cats, will result in local multiplication in the intestine and lymph nodes before dissemination of tachyzoites to other organs and tissues where they may continue to reproduce asexually or encyst as bradyzoites.
Steve Gass - 29 Jul 2003 22:10 GMT Well. We just got back from our new vet, and it was quite an eye-opening experience. We saw an outstanding feline vet, who says that the surgery itself, while a rather radical excision of the entire fat pad, would be quite recoverable.
However (big however), he is concerned about the _anemia_, about which we had previously known nothing. He diagnosed anemia first by the color of Bubba's gums, etc. and confirmed it by looking at _the bloodwork done by the first vet_. This has never been mentioned to us as being an issue. Perhaps they assumed that it was a result of Bubba's condition at the time.
The leukemia test was negative, thank God, but he has ordered another workup to try to determine the cause of the anemia before we proceed with surgery. In addition to reducing the chances of survival, there wouldn't be much point to it if something else is killing Bubba.
His blood sugar was a little high on the last test - 160 - although nobody has yet classified him as diabetic. I am curious to see what the level is now that he's eating more like a carnivore should, rather than the "balanced diet" we've always been told to feed him. It could be that the lack of real carnivore food might have caused the anemia in the first place, which is the likely cause of the gangrene.
I also wonder if the steatitis did clear up weeks ago, and what I've seen since then was merely gangrene setting in. A number of you have tried to tell me that it wasn't the steatitis, for which I thank you again, but the vet told me that it was. "No sign of infection," indeed.
I will update tomorrow. Once again, thanks to all!
Steve
Arjun Ray - 29 Jul 2003 22:22 GMT | Well. We just got back from our new vet, and it was quite an | eye-opening experience. Nothing like a second opinion!
| His blood sugar was a little high on the last test - 160 - although | nobody has yet classified him as diabetic. It could have been high due to stress, such as the vet visit. What is the reference range associated with the 160 number?
Dee - 30 Jul 2003 00:30 GMT > he's eating more like a carnivore should, rather than the "balanced diet" we've > always been told to feed him. It could be that the lack of real carnivore food > might have caused the anemia in the first place, which is the likely cause of > the gangrene. I think you're absolutely right Steve. I come more and more to believe that the crap we're lead to believe is good for our animals is causing more ailments than we can possibly imagine. All the best to you and Bubba. I know what you're going through. Hang in there.
Dee
PawsForThought - 30 Jul 2003 03:43 GMT >> he's eating more like a carnivore should, rather than the "balanced diet" >we've [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of >> the gangrene. I wouldn't be a bit surprised, Steve. Good luck and healing purrs to Bubba.
Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Liz - 30 Jul 2003 04:39 GMT After your "thanks all" I was afraid you had put your kitty to sleep, glad you didn't. I believe he can recover from all his conditions providing the vet is good and the food is adequate to correct his anemia and glucose. How are those holes? Did the vet close them or kept them open? I'm glad he did not develop an infection so far. My choice would be to keep the holes open and wash three or four times a day with a very dilute solution of oxygen peroxide. The more oxygen in the holes, the faster it heals and less chance of infection. Is the necrotic area too extensive? I'm cheering for you both! :)
Hillary Israeli - 30 Jul 2003 16:54 GMT *Our 12 year old male DSH Bubba has steatitis, possibly as a result of *eating salmon & tuna flavored food from a well-known manufacturer. The
That's very odd.
Feline nutritional steatitis is a well-described, and today, rarely seen, condition.
Historically, people would feed cats a canned-tuna-only diet, and cats fed that way could get get this disease - the high unsaturated fat content of the all-tuna diet (or other inappropriate, unbalanced diet, of course) is the problem. The high amount of polyunsaturated fats overwhelms the normal antioxidant abilities of vit E and selenium to scavenge free radicals, free radicals cause peroxidation of lipid membranes, leading to sort of a cascading problem, where walls of cells are broken down, causing a lot of necrosis of fat throughout the body, abdomen, subcutis, etc. The result is, you get this very distinctive gross and histologic appearance. For pathology buffs.... because you have all this necrosis, and sort of self digestion, you get a secondary inflammatory infiltrate of neutrophils and macrophages, and characteristic deposition of ceroid, a type of lipofuscin, whcih is a type of broken down membrane. The ceroid is acid fast, so you can stain for it.
We still (obviously as per the original post) occasionally see this in cats but now it is more often seen in waterfowl. There was a big outbreak in herons at the SD zoo which had been scavenging on fish left at the docks. Anyway, in the cat, this causes a distinct looking nodular yellow green lesion, and the lesions smell fishy. also seen in mink and swine. it's also very very painful. In cats the skin usually looks kind of ripply and you can feel nodules in abdomen, and cat may be crying out from pain
:( *The vets won't be in until Monday. Should I try to clean it in the *meantime, or just leave it alone? I didn't catch the name of the pads *they gave me, but I think they're saturated with an antiseptic *cleaning solution.
I hope your vet has helped you already, since it is now Wednesday. I'll skim down and see if you reported back! Sorry I didn't see this sooner....
 Signature hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net info@hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)
Steve Gass - 30 Jul 2003 21:16 GMT > causing a lot of necrosis of fat > throughout the body, abdomen, subcutis, etc. The result is, you get this very > distinctive gross and histologic appearance. Thank you Hillary - this has been a very important clue. I've known that necrosis is often associated with steatitis, and have assumed that's what I've been seeing. I don't know the difference between necrosis and gangrene, but assume that there is a distinction.
Anyway, a little research has turned up the fact that one of the symptoms of gas gangrene is _acute anemia_! If Bubba developed a necrotic situation as a result of the steatitis, in an area where there isn't much blood flow to begin with, then it seems to me that it could easily progress to full-blown gangrene, resulting in acute anemia, which is now the primary concern.
Without being familiar with the history of this condition, and probably having little experience with steatitis, this vet, as good as he is, is assuming that the gangrene is a result of the anemia rather than, quite possibly, the other way around.
He said that a transfusion would probably get Bubba through the surgery, but it would be pointless if Bubba isn't producing red blood cells properly due to a serious underlying condition. I'm going to press for the surgery regardless of the last test result. A ray of hope . . .
Steve
Liz - 31 Jul 2003 05:10 GMT > The high amount of polyunsaturated fats overwhelms the normal > antioxidant abilities of vit E and selenium to scavenge free radicals, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > characteristic deposition of ceroid, a type of lipofuscin, whcih is a type > of broken down membrane. The ceroid is acid fast, so you can stain for it. Polyunsaturated fatty acids are themselves antioxidants, neutralizing (scavenging) free radicals just as vitamin E, C, A, beta-carotene, etc. How do they interfere with the antioxidant properties of vitamin E?
Steve Gass - 31 Jul 2003 03:46 GMT So many of you have replied with valuable information, advice and well wishes. Please forgive me for not replying individually - it's been a very rough week, but I truly appreciate that you have all taken the time.
The current update: Bubba is having surgery tomorrow morning. We don't have all the facts yet regarding possible cancer, etc., but realized that he certainly won't survive the vile mess on his belly for much longer. I think the vet has been very conservative in his assessment and recommendations, which is understandable given that we have had no previous relationship.
While I certainly respect his instinct that an underlying condition caused the anemia, which in turn caused the gangrene, my instinct is that the steatitis (in combination with the naturally limited bloodflow in a large fat pad) caused the gangrene, which in turn caused the anemia. I apologized for being pushy about it, and his response indicated to me that he probably thought I made the right decision.
I guess at this point I'm sort of writing a diary here, but in addition to keeping you all updated, I'm hoping that someone will someday find Bubba's story helpful.
Thanks all.
Steve
Karen Chuplis - 31 Jul 2003 04:03 GMT > So many of you have replied with valuable information, advice and well wishes. > Please forgive me for not replying individually - it's been a very rough week, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Steve Please keep us updated. I will pray that surgery goes well, but I know we all understand how serious this is and a worry for you.
Karen
|
|
|