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Can Someone Help Me With Sunscreen For Cats??.

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US - 01 Feb 2004 07:42 GMT
Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never let
him outside as I am worried that he will get cancer.

Could someone please help me on this matter, my e-mail address is;
ffp@ihug.com.au.

Thank You for you help.
MaryL - 01 Feb 2004 09:20 GMT
> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never let
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>
> Thank You for you help.

Somebody get the trollometer.  Maybe a 1?

MaryL
andr0meda - 01 Feb 2004 09:58 GMT
I don't think we have a troll here. The email addy is real, and the problem
is realistic, too, so I wouldn't worry. Actually, I was thinking exactly the
same today. We had nearly 40 Deg C on the Gold Coast of Australia today (our
summer), and my Xena  (not white but very pale still) was outside. I was
wondering, if there was a sunscreen that I could use on her (especially her
'bold spots') and that she wouldn't lick off. Hope someone can help,
Regards,
Andr0

> > Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> > animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
> MaryL
Stuart - 01 Feb 2004 15:46 GMT
> I don't think we have a troll here. The email addy is real, and the problem
> is realistic, too, so I wouldn't worry. Actually, I was thinking exactly the
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> Regards,
> Andr0

Don't know about any sunscreen - but we once had a cat that had one
area exposed to the sun - his nose! it was not Black,  dang! what's
the word for it.. can't think- but dark skin - as in humans too - is
not so prone to sun damage -the pale skin is, and in this case the Vet
recommended we have his nose tattoo'd black - we had this done - but
right now as I write it seems crazy - it's still pale skin just
tattoo'd dark - so I dunno if it was effective or not?

~email invalid so don't bother~spamproof!
Karen Chuplis - 01 Feb 2004 16:12 GMT
>> I don't think we have a troll here. The email addy is real, and the problem
>> is realistic, too, so I wouldn't worry. Actually, I was thinking exactly the
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>
> ~email invalid so don't bother~spamproof!

It probably helps more than you think.

Karen
andr0meda - 02 Feb 2004 10:03 GMT
Thanks Stuart!
Actually, it is a relief (for me at least) that Xena inherited a dark nose
from her Siamese ancestors. Also darker ears, but only on the outside....I
will ask our Vet if her ears could be 'darkened' inside....I wonder? and
those 'bald spots' on her face, that are often red from mosquito bites, and
after yesterday, I believe it was the sun's influence. Anyway, I think you
gave me a great hint - something for a start. Many thanks!
Andr0

> Don't know about any sunscreen - but we once had a cat that had one
> area exposed to the sun - his nose! it was not Black,  dang! what's
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>
> ~email invalid so don't bother~spamproof!
Phil P - 01 Feb 2004 12:19 GMT
> > Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> > animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
> MaryL

Not this time, Mary... I'm afraid she's right.   Squamous cell carcinomas --
malignant tumors that arise from the squamous epithelium of the skin of the
pinnae, are common in cats with white or light-colored fur and skin and have
a high exposure to sunlight.  The only effective treatment is usually
aggressive surgical excision.  SCC is a very invasive and particularly nasty
tumor.

Some people tattoo their cats' pinnae to prevent the development of SCC.
Tattooing seems to be preferable and more effective than constantly applying
sunscreens.

Phil
Mary - 01 Feb 2004 15:05 GMT
> Some people tattoo their cats' pinnae to prevent the development of SCC.
> Tattooing seems to be preferable and more effective than constantly applying
> sunscreens.

May I ask what is a "pinnae?"
Karen Chuplis - 01 Feb 2004 16:11 GMT
>>> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
>>> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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> Phil

I think I recently read over on an equine group about a woman who does this
kind of work on horses with pink skin around eyes and nose.

Karen
Phil P - 01 Feb 2004 19:19 GMT
> > > Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> > > animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
> Phil

Here's some more information on SCCs:

http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/tumors_of_the_skin.htm#Squamous%20Cell%20Carcinoma

If that link doesn't work, click here,

http://maxshouse.com/Database_toc.htm

then this link,

http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/Oncology_IDX.htm

then this link,

http://maxshouse.com/Oncology/tumors_of_the_skin.htm#Squamous Cell Carcinoma
Mary - 01 Feb 2004 15:04 GMT
> > Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> > animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
> MaryL

Damn. I was buying this one. :-(
MaryL - 01 Feb 2004 17:30 GMT
> > > Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used
> on
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> >
> Damn. I was buying this one. :-(

Well, it turns out that you were correct to accept this one.  *I* was the
one who reacted too fast -- that's the price of being too *cute,* I guess.
It's amazing that I have had cats for so many years, yet never thought of
this.  My only possible explanation is that mine have always been
indoor-only cats.  Of course, that's a cop-out, but I had to find some
excuse.

MaryL
andr0meda - 02 Feb 2004 10:17 GMT
A pretty legitimate excuse, Mary:)
I didn't worry about sunscreens either until only a few months ago when Xena
and I finally 'made it home' into our own little house with a yard, where
she can enjoy fresh air under my strictly watchful eye. I must admit, it was
much easier before, when she had to hide inside a townhouse, but the joy
that she has from chasing flies and lizards is priceless to watch:) Still, I
believe that if the cat can't have a regular and safe access to outside
world, it be happier indoors for good.
Andr0:)

My only possible explanation is that mine have always been
> indoor-only cats.  Of course, that's a cop-out, but I had to find some
> excuse.
>
> MaryL
Karen Chuplis - 01 Feb 2004 16:10 GMT
>> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
>> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
> MaryL

No, I think this is for real. I also don't think there is a product, but
really enough people ask about it, someone should do it. White cats and
other pink undertoned short hairs are truly at risk for skin cancer. I think
the only answer is to keep them out of the sun. I would even put up UV
tinting in my windows if I owned a white cat.

Karen
m. L. Briggs - 04 Feb 2004 17:58 GMT
>>> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
>>> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
>Karen

Do you remember the picture of the white cat in the Easter bunny suit?
If I remember correctly "Philo" said he was about 15 years old.  I
wonder how he handled the problem -- does anybody know.?  Then there
was Banana who lost his ears  -- so I think there could be a problem.
Maybe an indoor only  cat is safer.     MLB
Yngver - 04 Feb 2004 20:49 GMT
>Maybe an indoor only  cat is safer.

I don't know about that. I mean, indoor cats may still like to sleep in a sunny
window. And cats outdoors may spend some time sleeping in the sun, but more
likely prefer a shady, sheltered spot. (I don't think I've ever seen an outdoor
cat sleeping in the middle of a yard, for example. Too exposed.) I'd think it
would depend more on the habits of the individual cat, and how much mid-day sun
they get.
Helen - 05 Feb 2004 14:46 GMT
Jeez, I sent this over four days ago and it still hasn't appeared. Trying
again.

> > Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> > animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>
> Somebody get the trollometer.  Maybe a 1?

Why do you think this is a troll? It's a perfectly valid question for those
of us with light coloured cats. My cream-coloured cat once got sunburned
ears and I felt dreadful (as did he).

To OP: I use Sun Sense Toddler Roll On Sunblock for my boy. Have used it for
years with vet's knowledge and no problems. It's quite creamy so I can roll
it quickly and easily onto his ears and it stays put. It's not always easy
to find in the Northern Hemisphere, but you appear to be in Australia, so
should have no problem at all (Sun Sense are Australian).

The New Zealand RSPCA recommends a product called Filta-bac:

http://www.rnzspca.org.nz/pet_care/vets/vet15.html

which you can buy here (note: I've never used them, just FYI):

http://naturalharvest.co.nz/filtabac1.html

HTH

Helen
MaryL - 06 Feb 2004 03:19 GMT
> Jeez, I sent this over four days ago and it still hasn't appeared. Trying
> again.
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>
> Helen

I already answered this (and apologized) twice.  Despite having cats for
many years, I had never heard of this possibility.  Mine have always been
indoor-only cats, but others have also mentioned the possibility of indoor
cats having a problem because they seek out sunny spots for a nap.

I know you said that your messages did not appear.  Did mine also fail to
appear?  If so, you may be missing a great many messages from this group.

MaryL
Laura R. - 06 Feb 2004 04:31 GMT
circa Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:19:11 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said,
> I already answered this (and apologized) twice.  Despite having cats for
> many years, I had never heard of this possibility.  Mine have always been
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> I know you said that your messages did not appear.  Did mine also fail to
> appear?  If so, you may be missing a great many messages from this group.

I think we (myself included) sometimes tend to forget that newsgroups
are not a real-time communications medium. I suspect that the post to
which you're responding was made before Helen perused the entire
thread. Or I hope so, at least. :-)

Laura
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MaryL - 06 Feb 2004 05:39 GMT
> circa Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:19:11 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said,
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>
> Laura

You're rght.  Sometimes my typing fingers work before my brain kicks in.

MaryL
Laura R. - 06 Feb 2004 06:05 GMT
circa Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:39:55 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said,

> > I think we (myself included) sometimes tend to forget that newsgroups
> > are not a real-time communications medium. I suspect that the post to
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>
> You're rght.  Sometimes my typing fingers work before my brain kicks in.

I do it all the time. :-)

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Mary - 06 Feb 2004 16:45 GMT
> You're rght.  Sometimes my typing fingers work before my brain kicks in.

I have this problem often. Must be something in the water. ;)
MaryL - 01 Feb 2004 14:38 GMT
> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never let
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>
> Thank You for you help.

Uh, oh, it looks like apologies are in order again (mine).  Both Andr0 and
Phil have pointed out that this can be a very legitimate concern.  I never
thought of such a thing, and I apologize.

MaryL
Cheryl - 01 Feb 2004 15:07 GMT
> Uh, oh, it looks like apologies are in order again (mine).  Both Andr0
> and Phil have pointed out that this can be a very legitimate concern.
> I never thought of such a thing, and I apologize.

A few years ago someone in alt.cats went through a cancer with her cat; the
cats nose and part of the ears had to be removed due to the skin cancer. I
agree with you though - I'd have never thought it was a concern unless I'd
heard about it happening.

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Mary - 01 Feb 2004 15:08 GMT
> Uh, oh, it looks like apologies are in order again (mine).  Both Andr0 and
> Phil have pointed out that this can be a very legitimate concern.  I never
> thought of such a thing, and I apologize.

Well, Mary, with so many jokesters poking around here, it's
hard not to get a little trigger happy. I could have gone either
way. I'm kind of bummed that it wasn't a troll, as here is another
thing that can plague my favorite critters.
Yngver - 02 Feb 2004 16:49 GMT
>Uh, oh, it looks like apologies are in order again (mine).  Both Andr0 and
>Phil have pointed out that this can be a very legitimate concern.  I never
>thought of such a thing, and I apologize.

Perhaps you haven't had a white cat. I haven't been concerned about this
problem either, since our older two cats both have dark-skinned ears and noses,
but we just took in a solid white stray. Even if the cat doesn't go outdoors,
you know how much cats like to lie in a sunny window. I'd like to know as well
if there is a sunscreen product that is safe to use on a cat's ears.
kaeli - 02 Feb 2004 15:17 GMT
> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never let
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>
> Thank You for you help.


You might want to ask over in alt.med.veterinary.
I myself have no clue.

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Flippy - 03 Feb 2004 01:18 GMT
> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never let
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>
> Thank You for you help.

I live in Australia too, and have been told by the vet to put sunscreen on
my cat's pink noses and ear tips during the day. I don't let my cats out in
the midday heat, only early in the morning and late in the afternoon (before
dark). Just regular 30+ sunscreen would be okay though.

Flippy in Melbourne, Australia.
My Cats: http://www.flippyscatpage.com
m. L. Briggs - 04 Feb 2004 18:01 GMT
>> Does anybody know of any good sunscreens or zincs that can be used on
>> animals (a cat)?  As I have a 2 year old pure white cat and I have never
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>Flippy in Melbourne, Australia.
>My Cats: http://www.flippyscatpage.com

How long does it last on the nose?

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