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Mr Nangla - 26 Jan 2004 14:37 GMT
Dear Xx Xxxxxx

Thank you for your email and for sharing your comments regarding our
Research Policy.

At the end of March 2003 an animal rights group in the U.S. made serious
allegations about The Iams Company's
work with an independent contract research facility.

Here are the facts.

On March 27, following an unannounced visit to the facility in question, we
concluded that, even though the facility
passed U.S. government inspections, it did not meet our strict standards
regarding air temperature, ventilation,
resting beds and socialization.  We made the decision to end all research at
the facility, and we moved all 19
dogs involved to an Iams facility where they are being cared for and placed
in a pet adoption program for Iams
employees.  On April 10, officials from Iams and P&G met with
representatives from PETA to review the facts
and share our plan for the inspection of Iams contract research facilities.

We have now conducted comprehensive inspections of all external facilities
involved in dog and cat nutritional
studies for Iams.  This was a major effort which included Iams researchers,
P&G veterinarians, non-technical
Iams employees who served as the "eyes and ears" of our consumers, and
where possible, independent
animal welfare experts.

Following the inspections, we know that all the facilities comply with
government regulations and the health
of the dogs and cats is not at risk.  However, we have decided to
consolidate our nutritional studies at fewer
contract facilities, and we will focus on the implementation of Iams high
standards for dog and cat
care at these facilities.  In addition we have established an Animal Care
Advisory Board.

This board currently consists of seven members, representing various
disciplines and fields of study,
including veterinary medicine, animal husbandry, behaviour, welfare, and
ethics. They are:

Mr. Michael Arms of the Helen Woodward Animal Center (a leading
California-based shelter and adoption facility).
Dr. Kathryn Bayne of the Association for Assessment and Accreditation of
Laboratory Animal Care (AAALAC).
Rev. Kenneth Boyd, a professor of Medical Ethics at Edinburgh University
Medical School, and a research
director of the Institute of Medical Ethics, Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Stephen Hansen of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
Animals (ASPCA).
Dr. Robert Hubrecht of The Universities Federation for Animal Welfare
(UFAW).
Dr. Irene Rochlitz, an independent veterinary consultant in feline welfare,
Cambridge, England.
Dr. Andrew Rowan of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).

The Advisory Board's first task is to conduct a comprehensive review of The
Iams Company research policy and
steps taken to implement that policy since it was last updated in June 2002.
The Board will also establish a series
of next steps and recommendations. In addition to work with our Board
members, we are actively seeking
the perspective of other animal welfare consultants.

The formation of this board was a top priority for us and a major step in
our continued efforts to enhance the
health and well-being of dogs and cats around the world. Whilst we believe
we already have an industry-leading
policy on nutritional studies - which requires that our research be
equivalent to nutritional and medical studies
acceptable on people - we believe even more can be done.

The Iams Company conducts and sponsors research to advance scientific
understanding of dog and cat nutrition.  As
stated in the Iams research policy, we only conduct research with dogs and
cats that is equivalent to nutritional or
medical studies acceptable on people.  We are deeply committed to dog and
cat well
being, and our research policy reflects that commitment.  If you would like
to read about our research policy in
more detail, it is posted on our website:

www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?questionid=167&brandcode=I
&localeid=en_US&pagetypeid=FQ.

Thank you again for contacting us with your feedback, and for giving us the
opportunity to respond.

Kind Regards
Iams Consumer Care

We may wish to contact you by mail, e-mail or telephone.  Please confirm
your acceptance and indicate your landbased address.  At any time you can
contact us to

change your privacy requirements by writing to us using this e-mail address.
Further information about the P&G data privacy policy that Iams adheres to
can be
found
by visiting www.pg.com/privacy.htm on the internet
Cat Protector - 26 Jan 2004 16:04 GMT
Did you notice that IAMS stated (if this accurate on the OP's part) that
they'll end research at the facility but said nothing about ending the
program entirely. It seems statements like this are just a smokescreen. If
cruel tests are taking place and the accusations surface it seems many of
the companies state how they are ending research or it never took place.

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> Dear Xx Xxxxxx
>
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> to read about our research policy in
> more detail, it is posted on our website:

www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?questionid=167&brandcode=I
> &localeid=en_US&pagetypeid=FQ.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> found
> by visiting www.pg.com/privacy.htm on the internet
kaeli - 26 Jan 2004 17:17 GMT
> Following the inspections, we know that all the facilities comply with
> government regulations and the health
> of the dogs and cats is not at risk.  

Please note that government regulations for experimental animals suck
balls. Hard.

I had a friend who worked with the government to make sure the regs were
followed. The regs merely state that one can't *keep* the animals in
horrid conditions - they do not care if the animal is tortured as part
of the experiment.
If the experiment states that no pain killers can be given, that's okey-
dokey with the government. If the experiment involves vivisection,
that's okey-dokey, too. The key is that the researchers have to prove
that giving anesthetics would impede the research.
In fact, they can hurt the animal for research, make it better, then
kill it. This is common practice. As long as they "humanely" kill it,
it's okey-dokey.

http://grants.nih.gov/grants/olaw/references/phspol.htm

[quote]
(a) The Secretary, acting through the Director of NIH, shall establish
guidelines for the following:
"(1) The proper care of animals to be used in biomedical and behavioral
research.
"(2) The proper treatment of animals while being used in such research.
Guidelines under this paragraph shall require-
"(A) the appropriate use of tranquilizers, analgesics, anesthetics,
paralytics, and euthanasia for animals in such research; and
"(B) appropriate pre-surgical and post-surgical veterinary medical and
nursing care for animals in such research.

Such guidelines shall not be construed to prescribe methods of research.

[/quote]

Note that last line. It's the loophole.

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PawsForThought - 26 Jan 2004 17:49 GMT
>From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net

>I had a friend who worked with the government to make sure the regs were
>followed. The regs merely state that one can't *keep* the animals in
>horrid conditions - they do not care if the animal is tortured as part
>of the experiment.

I think IAMS is disgusting :(
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kaeli - 26 Jan 2004 17:56 GMT
> >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I think IAMS is disgusting :(

I think P&G is disgusting, so IAMS is by default. :(
It's probably a perfectly fine food, but I can't in good conscience buy
it now that P&G owns it, whether the tests performed are for IAMS food
or not.
The company is repugnant.

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PawsForThought - 26 Jan 2004 19:00 GMT
>From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net

>> >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>or not.
>The company is repugnant.

Yes they are.  I won't buy any of their products, or products from other
companies that do animal testing.  Doesn't Colgate Palmolive still do animal
testing?

Lauren
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kaeli - 26 Jan 2004 20:39 GMT
> >I think P&G is disgusting, so IAMS is by default. :(
> >It's probably a perfectly fine food, but I can't in good conscience buy
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> companies that do animal testing.  Doesn't Colgate Palmolive still do animal
> testing?

AFAIK, they employ another company to do their dirty work.

http://www.arkonline.com/animal_test.html

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PawsForThought - 27 Jan 2004 13:10 GMT
>From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net

>Doesn't Colgate Palmolive still do animal
>> testing?
>
>AFAIK, they employ another company to do their dirty work.
>
>http://www.arkonline.com/animal_test.html

Ugh :(  Another company to add to the list of "do not buy from":  I
copied/pasted this here so others could see:

Colgate-Palmolive
300 Park Avenue, New York, NY 10022, USA
COLGATE.COM, mailto:postmaster@colgate.com

Colgate-Palmolive has animal testing undertaken for it by outside contractors.
A few years ago, BUAV recently uncovered details of an experiment carried out
for the company by Columbia University in which guinea pigs were locked into
small plastic tubes and a strong solution of surfactant was applied for four
hours a day for three days, causing cracked and bleeding skin on the animals.

Colgate also owns a company that produces meat based pet foods.

In March 1992 thousands of protesters took to the streets of Mexico City to
protest against the polluting practices and excessive water consumption of the
company's local factory. Demands for relocation of the plant to outside the
city have been made by local officials amongst others and have so far been
ignored. Talks with local citizens were called off in November 1991.

Colgate has been criticised for anti-union practices against SINTRACOLPA, a
union at one of its plants in Colombia. Included in the accusations are that
the company offered higher remuneration and benefits to non-union members and
then, in April and May 1990, suspended union leaders who had protested against
these discriminatory measures.

During the apartheid years, Colgate had a subsidiaries in South Africa and in
1990 had a 27% share in the South African detergents market. The company also
has subsidiaries in; Angola, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt, Guatemala, India,
Indonesia, Kenya, Mexico, Papua New Guinea, Peru, the Philippines, Senegal, Sri
Lanka and Turkey.

Colgate-Palmolive products include;
Shampoo: Palmolive
Soap: Cleopatra, Fresh, Palmolive
Toothpaste: Colgate, Ultrabrite
Washing up liquid: Palmolive

Also, Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet pet food.
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GAUBSTER2 - 30 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT
>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)

Listen to Lauren at YOUR OWN RISK!!

Lauren has proven herself to be a liar numerous times on this ng.

>Also, Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet pet food.

Also, she has a blind hatred for Hill's.
GAUBSTER2 - 30 Jan 2004 03:22 GMT
>Also, Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet pet food.

Actually that's another one of your LIES, Lauren.  Colgate doesn't "make" it,
Hill's Pet Nutrition makes it.  Colgate owns Hill's, that's it!
-L. - 30 Jan 2004 15:15 GMT
> > Following the inspections, we know that all the facilities comply with
> > government regulations and the health
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> kill it. This is common practice. As long as they "humanely" kill it,
> it's okey-dokey.

Well, not only that but "standard acceptable living conditions" at
most research facilities are minimal, at best.  It is ok to keep a
research chimpanzee that weighs 300 lbs or more, and stands 5 feet
tall, in a cage that is 5' X 5' X 7' - housed singly without any
contact with any other chimps  - for 20 years or more.

And the animals that are used as research subject the most - mice,
rats and birds - are exempt from the Animal Welfare Act, altogether.

-L.
Steve G - 30 Jan 2004 19:04 GMT
(...)

> And the animals that are used as research subject the most - mice,
> rats and birds - are exempt from the Animal Welfare Act, altogether.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/legislat/usdaleg1.htm.

In 1970:
"Public Law 91-579 Animal Welfare Act of 1970
Enacted December 24, 1970, Public Law 91-579 expands the list of
animals covered by the Act to include all warm-blooded animals
determined by the Secretary of Agriculture as being used or intended
for use in experimentation or exhibition except horses not used in
research and farm animals used in food and fiber research."

But, in 1985:
Code of Federal Regulations, Title 9, Chapter 1, Subchapter A - Animal
Welfare. Available from: USDA, APHIS/Animal Care, 4700 River Rd., Unit
85, Riverdale, MD 20737-1234.
" "Animal", for example, specifically excludes rats of the genus
Rattus and mice of the genus Mus as well as birds used in research
(...) Included are sections for cats and dogs, guinea pigs and
hamsters, rabbits, nonhuman primates, marine mammals, and the general
category of "other warm-blooded animals".

The animal welfare acts are available at the link above, but there's a
lot to trawl through to get an idea of what's what. Light bedtime
reading, indeed.

Steve.

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