Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2004
IAMS statement
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Mr Nangla - 26 Jan 2004 14:37 GMT Dear Xx Xxxxxx
Thank you for your email and for sharing your comments regarding our Research Policy.
At the end of March 2003 an animal rights group in the U.S. made serious allegations about The Iams Company's work with an independent contract research facility.
Here are the facts.
On March 27, following an unannounced visit to the facility in question, we concluded that, even though the facility passed U.S. government inspections, it did not meet our strict standards regarding air temperature, ventilation, resting beds and socialization. We made the decision to end all research at the facility, and we moved all 19 dogs involved to an Iams facility where they are being cared for and placed in a pet adoption program for Iams employees. On April 10, officials from Iams and P&G met with representatives from PETA to review the facts and share our plan for the inspection of Iams contract research facilities.
We have now conducted comprehensive inspections of all external facilities involved in dog and cat nutritional studies for Iams. This was a major effort which included Iams researchers, P&G veterinarians, non-technical Iams employees who served as the "eyes and ears" of our consumers, and where possible, independent animal welfare experts.
Following the inspections, we know that all the facilities comply with government regulations and the health of the dogs and cats is not at risk. However, we have decided to consolidate our nutritional studies at fewer contract facilities, and we will focus on the implementation of Iams high standards for dog and cat care at these facilities. In addition we have established an Animal Care Advisory Board.
This board currently consists of seven members, representing various disciplines and fields of study, including veterinary medicine, animal husbandry, behaviour, welfare, and ethics. They are:
Mr. Michael Arms of the Helen Woodward Animal Center (a leading California-based shelter and adoption facility). Dr. Kathryn Bayne of the Association for Assessment and Accreditation of Laboratory Animal Care (AAALAC). Rev. Kenneth Boyd, a professor of Medical Ethics at Edinburgh University Medical School, and a research director of the Institute of Medical Ethics, Edinburgh, Scotland. Dr. Stephen Hansen of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA). Dr. Robert Hubrecht of The Universities Federation for Animal Welfare (UFAW). Dr. Irene Rochlitz, an independent veterinary consultant in feline welfare, Cambridge, England. Dr. Andrew Rowan of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).
The Advisory Board's first task is to conduct a comprehensive review of The Iams Company research policy and steps taken to implement that policy since it was last updated in June 2002. The Board will also establish a series of next steps and recommendations. In addition to work with our Board members, we are actively seeking the perspective of other animal welfare consultants.
The formation of this board was a top priority for us and a major step in our continued efforts to enhance the health and well-being of dogs and cats around the world. Whilst we believe we already have an industry-leading policy on nutritional studies - which requires that our research be equivalent to nutritional and medical studies acceptable on people - we believe even more can be done.
The Iams Company conducts and sponsors research to advance scientific understanding of dog and cat nutrition. As stated in the Iams research policy, we only conduct research with dogs and cats that is equivalent to nutritional or medical studies acceptable on people. We are deeply committed to dog and cat well being, and our research policy reflects that commitment. If you would like to read about our research policy in more detail, it is posted on our website:
www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?questionid=167&brandcode=I &localeid=en_US&pagetypeid=FQ.
Thank you again for contacting us with your feedback, and for giving us the opportunity to respond.
Kind Regards Iams Consumer Care
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Cat Protector - 26 Jan 2004 16:04 GMT Did you notice that IAMS stated (if this accurate on the OP's part) that they'll end research at the facility but said nothing about ending the program entirely. It seems statements like this are just a smokescreen. If cruel tests are taking place and the accusations surface it seems many of the companies state how they are ending research or it never took place.
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> Dear Xx Xxxxxx > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > to read about our research policy in > more detail, it is posted on our website: www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?questionid=167&brandcode=I
> &localeid=en_US&pagetypeid=FQ. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > found > by visiting www.pg.com/privacy.htm on the internet kaeli - 26 Jan 2004 17:17 GMT > Following the inspections, we know that all the facilities comply with > government regulations and the health > of the dogs and cats is not at risk. Please note that government regulations for experimental animals suck balls. Hard.
I had a friend who worked with the government to make sure the regs were followed. The regs merely state that one can't *keep* the animals in horrid conditions - they do not care if the animal is tortured as part of the experiment. If the experiment states that no pain killers can be given, that's okey- dokey with the government. If the experiment involves vivisection, that's okey-dokey, too. The key is that the researchers have to prove that giving anesthetics would impede the research. In fact, they can hurt the animal for research, make it better, then kill it. This is common practice. As long as they "humanely" kill it, it's okey-dokey.
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/olaw/references/phspol.htm
[quote] (a) The Secretary, acting through the Director of NIH, shall establish guidelines for the following: "(1) The proper care of animals to be used in biomedical and behavioral research. "(2) The proper treatment of animals while being used in such research. Guidelines under this paragraph shall require- "(A) the appropriate use of tranquilizers, analgesics, anesthetics, paralytics, and euthanasia for animals in such research; and "(B) appropriate pre-surgical and post-surgical veterinary medical and nursing care for animals in such research.
Such guidelines shall not be construed to prescribe methods of research.
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Note that last line. It's the loophole.
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PawsForThought - 26 Jan 2004 17:49 GMT >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net
>I had a friend who worked with the government to make sure the regs were >followed. The regs merely state that one can't *keep* the animals in >horrid conditions - they do not care if the animal is tortured as part >of the experiment. I think IAMS is disgusting :( ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
kaeli - 26 Jan 2004 17:56 GMT > >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think IAMS is disgusting :( I think P&G is disgusting, so IAMS is by default. :( It's probably a perfectly fine food, but I can't in good conscience buy it now that P&G owns it, whether the tests performed are for IAMS food or not. The company is repugnant.
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PawsForThought - 26 Jan 2004 19:00 GMT >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net
>> >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >or not. >The company is repugnant. Yes they are. I won't buy any of their products, or products from other companies that do animal testing. Doesn't Colgate Palmolive still do animal testing?
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kaeli - 26 Jan 2004 20:39 GMT > >I think P&G is disgusting, so IAMS is by default. :( > >It's probably a perfectly fine food, but I can't in good conscience buy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > companies that do animal testing. Doesn't Colgate Palmolive still do animal > testing? AFAIK, they employ another company to do their dirty work.
http://www.arkonline.com/animal_test.html
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PawsForThought - 27 Jan 2004 13:10 GMT >From: kaeli tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net
>Doesn't Colgate Palmolive still do animal >> testing? > >AFAIK, they employ another company to do their dirty work. > >http://www.arkonline.com/animal_test.html Ugh :( Another company to add to the list of "do not buy from": I copied/pasted this here so others could see:
Colgate-Palmolive 300 Park Avenue, New York, NY 10022, USA COLGATE.COM, mailto:postmaster@colgate.com
Colgate-Palmolive has animal testing undertaken for it by outside contractors. A few years ago, BUAV recently uncovered details of an experiment carried out for the company by Columbia University in which guinea pigs were locked into small plastic tubes and a strong solution of surfactant was applied for four hours a day for three days, causing cracked and bleeding skin on the animals.
Colgate also owns a company that produces meat based pet foods.
In March 1992 thousands of protesters took to the streets of Mexico City to protest against the polluting practices and excessive water consumption of the company's local factory. Demands for relocation of the plant to outside the city have been made by local officials amongst others and have so far been ignored. Talks with local citizens were called off in November 1991.
Colgate has been criticised for anti-union practices against SINTRACOLPA, a union at one of its plants in Colombia. Included in the accusations are that the company offered higher remuneration and benefits to non-union members and then, in April and May 1990, suspended union leaders who had protested against these discriminatory measures.
During the apartheid years, Colgate had a subsidiaries in South Africa and in 1990 had a 27% share in the South African detergents market. The company also has subsidiaries in; Angola, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt, Guatemala, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Mexico, Papua New Guinea, Peru, the Philippines, Senegal, Sri Lanka and Turkey.
Colgate-Palmolive products include; Shampoo: Palmolive Soap: Cleopatra, Fresh, Palmolive Toothpaste: Colgate, Ultrabrite Washing up liquid: Palmolive
Also, Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet pet food. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
GAUBSTER2 - 30 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) Listen to Lauren at YOUR OWN RISK!!
Lauren has proven herself to be a liar numerous times on this ng.
>Also, Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet pet food. Also, she has a blind hatred for Hill's.
GAUBSTER2 - 30 Jan 2004 03:22 GMT >Also, Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet pet food. Actually that's another one of your LIES, Lauren. Colgate doesn't "make" it, Hill's Pet Nutrition makes it. Colgate owns Hill's, that's it!
-L. - 30 Jan 2004 15:15 GMT > > Following the inspections, we know that all the facilities comply with > > government regulations and the health [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > kill it. This is common practice. As long as they "humanely" kill it, > it's okey-dokey. Well, not only that but "standard acceptable living conditions" at most research facilities are minimal, at best. It is ok to keep a research chimpanzee that weighs 300 lbs or more, and stands 5 feet tall, in a cage that is 5' X 5' X 7' - housed singly without any contact with any other chimps - for 20 years or more.
And the animals that are used as research subject the most - mice, rats and birds - are exempt from the Animal Welfare Act, altogether.
-L.
Steve G - 30 Jan 2004 19:04 GMT (...)
> And the animals that are used as research subject the most - mice, > rats and birds - are exempt from the Animal Welfare Act, altogether. http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/legislat/usdaleg1.htm.
In 1970: "Public Law 91-579 Animal Welfare Act of 1970 Enacted December 24, 1970, Public Law 91-579 expands the list of animals covered by the Act to include all warm-blooded animals determined by the Secretary of Agriculture as being used or intended for use in experimentation or exhibition except horses not used in research and farm animals used in food and fiber research."
But, in 1985: Code of Federal Regulations, Title 9, Chapter 1, Subchapter A - Animal Welfare. Available from: USDA, APHIS/Animal Care, 4700 River Rd., Unit 85, Riverdale, MD 20737-1234. " "Animal", for example, specifically excludes rats of the genus Rattus and mice of the genus Mus as well as birds used in research (...) Included are sections for cats and dogs, guinea pigs and hamsters, rabbits, nonhuman primates, marine mammals, and the general category of "other warm-blooded animals".
The animal welfare acts are available at the link above, but there's a lot to trawl through to get an idea of what's what. Light bedtime reading, indeed.
Steve.
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