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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004Cat got scared and keeps attacking wife and other cat
We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats we usually let them out in our fenced in backyard everyday. Two nights a go both cats where out and we were sitting inside and we heard the loudest scream we ever heard from a cat. We thought the cats were being attacked by another cat or some animal and my wife kind of panicked and run straight towards the noise (it was dark) and probably scared the cats even more. She got bitten pretty bad in the hand and scratched up all over. The smaller cat, Tiki, is fine but the bigger one, bailey, a siamese (and something) female would not let us near her. We had her in the bedroom for the night (I slept in there as well) and she seemed to have calmed down, she slept next to me. The next morning we let her out of the bedroom and she imediately attacked the other cat while screaming like a banshee ( and this scream is like nothing I ever heard before, much louder), the smaller cat is faster and escaped on to the kitchen cabinetts. While our Siamese was chasing the the smaller cat she sprayed pee and also defacated on the floor and then hid in the bedroom. At this point she's OK with me, very loving actually, but will get bushy tail and start running towards my wife as soon as she sees her, I had to shoo her away from my wife today with a broom. And she will attack the other cat on sight. She's always been pretty social, always hangs around where we are and observes the goings on. She may hiss occasionally when she gets irritated (when I try to clip her nails) but she has never been anywhere close to this, she is like a different cat. Anyway I feel that we cannot trust this cat anymore, my wife really loves the smaller cat more, it's her baby who sleeps in her arm every night. So I will call the vet and spca tomorrow and get some advise but at this point I don't know what to do except put her to sleep. It so unfair because this behaviour was brought on by something external (we do not even know what is was that attacked our cats in the yard) but if we cannot trust her with the smaller cat (and ourselves) bailey may have to go. I do not know if we could try to give her away when she behaves like this. Any advise? Thanks / LS circa 25 Jan 2004 18:24:58 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, L.S. (ludersven@hotmail.com) said, > So I will call the vet and spca tomorrow and get some advise but at > this point I don't know what to do except put her to sleep. It so [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > behaves like this. > Any advise? Are you out of your MIND? Good god, two days and you're going to put the cat to sleep??? That's obscene. FIRST, you should call the vet and ask for advice. The vet may be able to prescribe an anti-anxiety med for a while. Second, get some Feliway. And use it. She is freaked out and associates whatever scared her with your wife and your other cat. The fact that she urinated and defecated when she was chasing the other cat means she was scared shitless. Pun intended. You've not even given her time to calm down, and you've not tried to do anything to help her calm down, and you're contemplating putting her to sleep? She is a *cat*, and logic isn't in her repertoire. All she knows is that something scared her very, very badly, and she's not yet gotten over it. Call the vet. Keep the cat in a separate room. Treat it as if you were introducing a new cat to the household. Expose her to your wife and the other cat *gradually*, and after she has had time to get over whatever happened. Get the Feliway. Put some vanilla on the back of her neck, the other cat's neck and your wife's wrists when you expose them to each other. But to be discussing putting her to sleep at this point is unconscionable. Laura  SignatureThe optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -Robert Oppenheimer << But to be discussing putting her to sleep at this point is unconscionable. Laura >> I believe that everything Laura said is correct as far as segregating her then reintroducing her and just keeping her calm. Although I have not experienced this myself, I have read of it before in this newsgroup and it was resolved by following that advice. Please do not have the cat euthanized for this. Call the vet and get some tranqs, if needed, and get the Feliway. The poor cat shouldn't have to die because it got scared. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) > << But to be discussing putting her to sleep at this point is > unconscionable. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) TOtally concur with these posts. The cat needs help not to be killed. Karen "Laura R." <usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com> wrote in message > Put some vanilla on the back of > her neck, the other cat's neck and your wife's wrists when you expose > them to each other. Intriguing. I have never heard of this. Why? circa Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:22:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > Put some vanilla on the back of > > her neck, the other cat's neck and your wife's wrists when you > expose > > them to each other. > > Intriguing. I have never heard of this. Why? To mask their smells from each other. Instead of smelling the wife's and other cat's smells, the scared cat will just smell vanilla. Since she'll already smell like vanilla herself, the others will be less threatening to her. People often forget that memory isn't just visual for cats- it's highly aural and olfactory. Cats identify their owners more by the way they sound and the way they smell than by what they look like. The sense of smell in people has been proven to hold the longest sensory associations (think about how the smell of pumpkin pie brings back instant associations with Thanksgiving for many people, for example), so it stands to reason that this may also be the case in animals with much more highly developed senses of smell than we have. Aside from being a good masking agent, the scent of vanilla shouldn't have any negative associations for the cat unless she was attacked by a giant sugar cookie. <G> This can also be useful when you bring a cat home from the vet and the cat has been boarded and doesn't smell "right" to the other cats and thus gets walloped. How's that for a run-on sentence? ;-) BTW, don't douse anybody in the vanilla- just use a drop. (And I didn't pick vanilla out of a hat, if anybody was wondering- before Feliway came out, you used to see people posting all over Usenet about using vanilla as a mask to (re)introduce cats to each other. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:22:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Laura Neat, Laura. It makes good sense, too. >From: Laura R. usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com >(And I >didn't pick vanilla out of a hat, if anybody was wondering- before >Feliway came out, you used to see people posting all over Usenet >about using vanilla as a mask to (re)introduce cats to each other. Yep. I've used it before and it does work (except it did make me crave something sweet). Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa 28 Jan 2004 00:50:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said, > >(And I > >didn't pick vanilla out of a hat, if anybody was wondering- before [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yep. I've used it before and it does work (except it did make me crave > something sweet). Hmm. Yeah, maybe I should tell people to get some cookies when they get the vanilla. ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:22:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > Put some vanilla on the back of > > her neck, the other cat's neck and your wife's wrists when you > expose > > them to each other. > > Intriguing. I have never heard of this. Why? To mask their smells from each other. Instead of smelling the wife's and other cat's smells, the scared cat will just smell vanilla. Since she'll already smell like vanilla herself, the others will be less threatening to her. People often forget that memory isn't just visual for cats- it's highly aural and olfactory. Cats identify their owners more by the way they sound and the way they smell than by what they look like. The sense of smell in people has been proven to hold the longest sensory associations (think about how the smell of pumpkin pie brings back instant associations with Thanksgiving for many people, for example), so it stands to reason that this may also be the case in animals with much more highly developed senses of smell than we have. Aside from being a good masking agent, the scent of vanilla shouldn't have any negative associations for the cat unless she was attacked by a giant sugar cookie. <G> Ah, the old attack cookie ;o) circa Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:14:03 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Wendy (wendypart@nospam.com) said, > Aside from being a good masking agent, the scent of vanilla shouldn't > have any negative associations for the cat unless she was attacked by > a giant sugar cookie. <G> > > Ah, the old attack cookie ;o) What, you haven't heard about the gangs of roving cookies and their turf wars? The peanut butters and the chocolate chips have a long- standing rivalry. People everywhere are wounded by stray chips daily. ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:14:03 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Wendy (wendypart@nospam.com) said, > Aside from being a good masking agent, the scent of vanilla shouldn't > have any negative associations for the cat unless she was attacked by > a giant sugar cookie. <G> > > Ah, the old attack cookie ;o) What, you haven't heard about the gangs of roving cookies and their turf wars? The peanut butters and the chocolate chips have a long- standing rivalry. People everywhere are wounded by stray chips daily. ;-) Laura runs out to kitchen to check choc chip bag to make sure they aren't mobilizing. circa Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:34:48 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Wendy (wendypart@nospam.com) said, > > Aside from being a good masking agent, the scent of vanilla shouldn't > > have any negative associations for the cat unless she was attacked by [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > runs out to kitchen to check choc chip bag to make sure they aren't > mobilizing. As long as you don't bring in any peanut butters, you should be safe. You might want to lock the cookies in a steel tin just in case... ;-) SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >So I will call the vet and spca tomorrow and get some advise but at >this point I don't know what to do except put her to sleep. It so [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >behaves like this. >Any advise? It's called misplaced aggression and just the sight of another cat through a window can cause one of your own cats to go ballistic on the nearest object (feline or human). Quite often owners have been known to shout to break up the fight and this has stressed the cat even further and as in your case an owner can be attacked as well. It requires patience and a very slow reintroduction after several days separation. Do not cheat on the time or else you will be back to square one. What we did after about 3 days was to hold the cats in our laps and sat beside each other on the couch. After about 15 minutes we separated the cats again. We learned from experience that allowing them to free roam was premature and ended up with all the signs of an imminent attack. Many vets will give a prescription to mellow the aggressive cat out but it is advisable to put both on it as the victim cat will exhibit defensive stress thus triggering the other cat's aggression. This is not reason to ever get rid of a cat as it is treatable, Google for misplaced feline aggression and you will get lots of similar stories. Good luck! -mhd >We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats we >usually let them out in our fenced in backyard everyday. Two nights a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Thanks / LS My first thought is to keep her in a cage for a couple of weeks. I'm no expert, but thought this might give her time to calm down and get over the scare. Have the cats been neutered? Siamese can get very emotional. I had a Siamese named Bandi who would go berserk any time I came into the house with another cat's scent on me. She attacked me regularly about once a year. One time I set her off because I came home from Motor Vehicles (NY) in a rage and was in my closet looking for some paper they wanted. She attacked. Her bites actually made black and blue marks. Her screams would be terrible. I loved this cat with my whole heart. She saw me through two marriages and the birth of my son. The good news is that not only was she wonderful most of the time her rages stopped after a few years. Maybe by 5 or 6 years she calmed down. Kill her for this? NEVER. -- Barb I can only please one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either. > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats we > usually let them out in our fenced in backyard everyday. [snip] You want to kill your pet because your wife screwed up? Idiot. > > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats > we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Idiot. There were a lot of good advise and I appreciate it, we were trying to follow you suggestions. Being called an idiot did however make me lose interest in making this effort so based on that we decided to have the cat put down today. Thanks / LS > > > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats > > we [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > interest in making this effort so based on that we decided to have the > cat put down today. If you are trying to make a point, there's better ways to do that than to act like you killed your cat because someone called you a name. This is Usenet. Many people don't use kid gloves and people call other people names. It's called life. Not always nice, but it happens. I've done it now and again when people make me angry. If you really killed your cat because of someone's post to you, you're a lot worse than an idiot and the words I'd call you shouldn't be read by minors, so I'll keep them off Usenet. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Never mess up an apology with an excuse. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > > > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats > > > we [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > lot worse than an idiot and the words I'd call you shouldn't be read by > minors, so I'll keep them off Usenet. I have to totally agree with Kaeli. There aren't words enough to describe how pathetic this person is if they did that. Karen > > > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message > news:<cKdRb.18149$YG.1068777@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Karen Somehow I missed this whole mess. I'm afraid I have to stick by my initial impression. The OP's ensuing remarks kind of reinforces it, now doesn't it? > > > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message > news:<cKdRb.18149$YG.1068777@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Karen I just have a hard time dealing with criticism and I had to release my frustration somewhere. As I said we liked our other cat a lot more anyway so I do not really feel bad about it. Luckily we live somewhat in the country side so I was able to take care of it myself without the vet. Tomorrow we're going to the local shelter to get a new cat. /LS > > > > "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message > > news:<cKdRb.18149$YG.1068777@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > /LS Moron. Oops, there goes the other cat! :) > > "Karen" <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in message > news:<bvboei$qie0b$1@ID-221344.news.uni-berlin.de>... [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > :) lol! God forbid you should use a glue trap to kill a mouse, then they'll really start f.cking with you!! LOL.... -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > > > "Karen" <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in message > > news:<bvboei$qie0b$1@ID-221344.news.uni-berlin.de>... [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > lol! >>>> "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote in message >> news:<cKdRb.18149$YG.1068777@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > /LS OK. It's a troll. Karen > > I just have a hard time dealing with criticism and I had to release my > > frustration somewhere. As I said we liked our other cat a lot more [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Karen My instinct from the beginning. Suckers! ;) -L. > > > I just have a hard time dealing with criticism and I had to release my > > > frustration somewhere. As I said we liked our other cat a lot more [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -L. And I was all set to write a post as my husband, telling you all that I had offed myself due to the terrible burden of causing the death of Bailey the Psychotic Siamese son of what's-his-name the frustrated cat killer who cannot take "criticism" and his wobbly wife who cannot hold her own with a ten-pound animal. It was going to be good, too. >> Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in message >news:<BC3F0F88.17FC4%kchuplis@alltel.net>...> > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >It was going to be good, too. Now, Mary, you know we don't allow those socket puppets..... Sherry circa 31 Jan 2004 05:29:21 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > Now, Mary, you know we don't allow those socket puppets..... Unless they can kick somebody's a.s... Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Jan 2004: > And I was all set to write a post as my husband, telling you all that > I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It was going to be good, too. *snaps fingers* Damn. I wanted to read that, too. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > Jan 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > *snaps fingers* > Damn. I wanted to read that, too. I never got to see MIB II. I NEED to see it. I want to see MIB I again, if only for the alien creatures. > > Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in message > news:<BC3F0F88.17FC4%kchuplis@alltel.net>...> > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > It was going to be good, too. sh.t. I spoke too soon! ;) -L. circa 29 Jan 2004 16:35:34 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, L.S. (ludersven@hotmail.com) said, > I just have a hard time dealing with criticism and I had to release my > frustration somewhere. As I said we liked our other cat a lot more > anyway so > I do not really feel bad about it. Luckily we live somewhat in the > country side so I was able to take care of it myself without the vet. > Tomorrow we're going to the local shelter to get a new cat. I smell troll. SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. You are a disgusting troll. You had your cat put down simply to shift the blame to someone else. I think that is dispicable and so are you. What you are doing is animal abuse and I hope you get nailed for it! SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I just have a hard time dealing with criticism and I had to release my > frustration somewhere. As I said we liked our other cat a lot more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > /LS >From: ludersven@hotmail.com (L.S.) >> > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats >> we [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Thanks / LS Yeah right. Go away troll. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Wait I can't find the original post....why did you get rid of the cat? Christina -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > >From: ludersven@hotmail.com (L.S.) > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa 29 Jan 2004 10:31:28 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, L.S. (ludersven@hotmail.com) said, > > > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats > > we [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > interest in making this effort so based on that we decided to have the > cat put down today. Then you are pathetic. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. as are you for responding to a "troll"........ -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > circa 29 Jan 2004 10:31:28 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, L.S. > (ludersven@hotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. Personally I wouldn't have the cat put to sleep but rather try to find another home for the cat.....and anyone who sends ugly responses to you f.ck em because the day I joined this group they all jumped my a.s, too. Like I said, don't just put the cat to sleep, there is someone out there who will take the kitty off your hands. If it's too stressful for you someone else will be more than happy to help the kitty. Christina -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats we > usually let them out in our fenced in backyard everyday. Two nights a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Thanks / LS If I had a cat that attacked me and ran away everytime I tried to play with him/her or interact, I would find another home for the cat. Now I wouldn't put the cat to sleep, but would place an ad in the paper or put the cat in a shelter. If anyone gives you sh.t about getting rid of a mean cat, ignore em.....they've been trying to get rid of me from this newsgroup for a few days now, too.....I ain't going anywhere. Christina -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats we > usually let them out in our fenced in backyard everyday. Two nights a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Thanks / LS > they've been trying to get rid of me from this newsgroup for a few > days now, too.....I ain't going anywhere. I get the feeling that you thrive on attention. I would think that a few days of being ignored once people are bored with your whiney cry baby act you'll go running back to your moderated group. You should be embarrassed by your behavior. If not, I'm embarrassed for you. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II Actually I think you are pathetic not me.... Still here bitch. -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > > they've been trying to get rid of me from this newsgroup for a few > > days now, too.....I ain't going anywhere. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. > MIB II > Actually I think you are pathetic not me.... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. > > MIB II Well this has been a lot of fun, I can see that I will be spending a lot of time in this newsgroup under different nicknames :). For those of you that aren't borderline psychotic human haters (you know who you are, or maybe you don't :) ) with no life outside pets and being opinionated in newsgroups (why you do not just ignore someone behaving like this is beyond me), I want to once again let you know that I appreciate all your advise and we are working on it, trying to reintroduce bailey in to the family. I think it's getting better although she just had another fit. But we're trying to be loving and have patience and hopefully she can learn to trust us again and get over her fears. To the crazies: I know some people won't or cannot understand that humans has to take priority over pets and that it just not possibly to have a violent cat in a family for years and years, especially where there are other pets who could be injured or worse. We will continue our efforts but at one point (and it won't be 5 or 6 years in the future) there will have be a decision made to remove her from the family. I really do not see us putting her down unless the situation really takes a turn for the (much) worse and there is no way to place her with someone else. I suppose claw removal (to prevent injury to others) could also be an option down the line although I believe that is a horrible practice which may further traumatize a cat, but you have to look at the alternatives. /LS I really don't think it is so much about "crazies". After all, you do not have to be "overboard" to think that killing a cat for misplaced agression is a bit extreme. I happen to agree, too often people in here harangue instead of trying to persuade which usually does *nothing* to solve a situation and usually just sets peoples backs up. However, I might point out, you managed to get your jollies as well. It's not a terrible thing to feel that pets are a responsibility and we need to do right by them. I'm glad bailey is getting better. I still swear by Feliway as being useful. I truly hope all returns to normal soon. Karen << I suppose claw removal (to prevent injury to others) could also be an option down the line although I believe that is a horrible practice which may further traumatize a cat, but you have to look at the alternatives. /LS >> Oh, I thought your cat was dead. Surprise, surprise. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter (MacCandace) ><< I suppose claw removal (to prevent injury to others) could also be an >option down the line although I believe that is a horrible practice [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Candace ROFL! But then again, cats do have 9 lives ;) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm No Candace, just another troller who advocates killing cats so he can get his kicks. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "MacCandace" <maccandace@aol.comlitter> wrote in message news:20040130205956.12686.00001104@mb- > Oh, I thought your cat was dead. Surprise, surprise. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) > > they've been trying to get rid of me from this newsgroup for a few > > days now, too.....I ain't going anywhere. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you'll go running back to your moderated group. You should be embarrassed > by your behavior. If not, I'm embarrassed for you. Excellent idea. Let's give her the treatment that worked for the Sucubus: shun. -L. << Excellent idea. Let's give her the treatment that worked for the Sucubus: shun. -L. >> Bummer, really? I'm soooo having fun with her idiocy and mental and emotional incapabilities. I'm not sure I can stop just yet. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) << I would think that a few days of being ignored once people are bored with your whiney cry baby act you'll go running back to your moderated group. You should be embarrassed by your behavior. If not, I'm embarrassed for you. SignatureCheryl >> She obviously has a load of free time as she posts day and night. Probably incapable of holding a job due to her "condition." This is what makes her life meaningful. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) > If I had a cat that attacked me and ran away everytime I tried to play with > him/her or interact, I would find another home for the cat. Now I wouldn't [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >>Thanks / LS You put the cat in the shelter, you're pretty much killing the cat. Why don't you go take a compassion pill before trying to speak? > You put the cat in the shelter, you're pretty much killing the cat. Why > don't you go take a compassion pill before trying to speak? Damn don't bring that option up right now. I have Shamrock acting all aggressive lately and attacking Shadow. Bonnie watches every move Shamrock makes and attacks Shadow. Between the two of them I can't keep Shadow safe anymore. They are both ganging up on him. And Shadow is so submissive that he will rear up with paws flailing but he won't stand up for himself and the other two know it. He spends most of his time anymore under the dining room table which is up against the wall. Shamrock has had two timeouts this weekend alone. I can't get Bonnie in timeout cos I can't catch the little bugger. Since Shadow is terminally sick I sometimes wonder if the others can sense that and attack him because he is weak. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II << Since Shadow is terminally sick I sometimes wonder if the others can sense that and attack him because he is weak. SignatureCheryl >> I hate to agree but I think that certainly might be the case. When my late cat, Emily, had lymphoma, 2 of my cats, Scottie, and Emily's own devoted son, Cory, would attack her for no apparent reason (no reason to me, that is). Fortunately, it wasn't violent and it wasn't constant so I don't think she was overly miserable about it but I think she was a little upset. Especially since she had been the "top cat" prior to her illness and was always picking on them. Maybe they were just "getting even" once they could but it made me sad. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) 01 Feb 2004: >> Since Shadow is terminally sick I sometimes wonder if the others >> can sense that and attack him because he is weak. > I hate to agree but I think that certainly might be the case. When my > late cat, Emily, had lymphoma, 2 of my cats, Scottie, and Emily's own [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Maybe they were just "getting even" once they could but it made me > sad. I feel so bad for Shadow sometimes. He won't fight back, though I know he is strong enough. I get him playing with da bird along with the other cats and he runs after it, and gets all wild, but when it comes to defending himself he only goes as far as lifting a paw and trying to vocalize. He hisses and tries to yell, but since he lost his voice from the feeding tube incident over a year and a half ago, it isn't quite as effective to the other cats. I don't know how to handle this. I can separate Shadow from the others when I'm not home, but that doesn't teach Shamrock and Bonnie to "be nice"... SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > 01 Feb 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > the others when I'm not home, but that doesn't teach Shamrock and Bonnie to > "be nice"... Whoops, ignore my previous post. I guess if I would read all replies before responding, I might actually be able to give some useful advice. How's this? Put a Superman cape on him and the other two will think he's a superhero???? > Whoops, ignore my previous post. I guess if I would read all replies > before responding, I might actually be able to give some useful advice. > How's this? Put a Superman cape on him and the other two will think he's > a superhero???? :)) Super Shadow! SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II >>Whoops, ignore my previous post. I guess if I would read all replies >>before responding, I might actually be able to give some useful advice. >>How's this? Put a Superman cape on him and the other two will think he's >> a superhero???? > > :)) Super Shadow! Ernie terrorizes my two girls, which is kind of funny because Audrey could squash him like a bug, she weighs almost twice as much as he does! Sometimes she'll stand up to him, which actually means stay sitting down and refuse to move!! :) > Ernie terrorizes my two girls, which is kind of funny because Audrey > could squash him like a bug, she weighs almost twice as much as he does! > Sometimes she'll stand up to him, which actually means stay sitting down > and refuse to move!! :) That is the funny thing here, too. Shadow is twice Bonnie's size, and much bigger than Shamrock, too. To see this huge cat cower is very sad. Last week I was putting him downstairs during the day when I went to work but it seemed to make things worse between everyone once I was home. I thought maybe I'd give them all a chance to work it out, but that doesn't seem like it is going to happen so Shadow will have to spend his time alone for 10+ hours per day. This really kills me but I don't know what else to do. Some suggestions I received to try to get the cats all tolerating each other isn't working. :( SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II circa 02 Feb 2004 02:26:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > I feel so bad for Shadow sometimes. He won't fight back, though I know he > is strong enough. I get him playing with da bird along with the other cats [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the others when I'm not home, but that doesn't teach Shamrock and Bonnie to > "be nice"... I do know what you mean. Oscar terrorizes Camille, and they're both healthy as horses. It's just that he is a doofus and she is a chickensh*t, so he thinks it's fun. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. 2004: > I do know what you mean. Oscar terrorizes Camille, and they're both > healthy as horses. It's just that he is a doofus and she is a > chickensh*t, so he thinks it's fun. That is how Shamrock is. He gets the meanest look on his face. Ears back, eyes squinty and most of the time he doesn't act like he is playing. He seems out for blood sometimes. Poor Shadow. I swear Bonnie has learned from Shamrock that it is fun to pick on Shadow. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II circa 02 Feb 2004 23:51:12 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > > I do know what you mean. Oscar terrorizes Camille, and they're both > > healthy as horses. It's just that he is a doofus and she is a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > seems out for blood sometimes. Poor Shadow. I swear Bonnie has learned from > Shamrock that it is fun to pick on Shadow. If it's any consolation, sometimes the bully gets bullied back. Over the past few months as Jacob's CRF has progressed and as he's gotten older and creakier, he has grown less tolerant of Oscar's plopping down on top of him for a bath, as is Oscar's wont. He's walloped Oscar a couple of times, and at one point, wouldn't let Oscar near him for a couple of weeks. Oscar was crushed and it was really sad, but a part of me figured maybe he'd be nicer to Camille in response. He wasn't, but at least he might know now how it feels. :-\ Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa 02 Feb 2004 02:11:00 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said, > I hate to agree but I think that certainly might be the case. When my late > cat, Emily, had lymphoma, 2 of my cats, Scottie, and Emily's own devoted son, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > she had been the "top cat" prior to her illness and was always picking on them. > Maybe they were just "getting even" once they could but it made me sad. Alex kicked the other cats' a$$es until the day before he died. I think a lot of it depends on the cat's temperament. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >>You put the cat in the shelter, you're pretty much killing the cat. Why >>don't you go take a compassion pill before trying to speak? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > little bugger. Since Shadow is terminally sick I sometimes wonder if the > others can sense that and attack him because he is weak. Unfortunately, yes they can. I'm sorry Cheryl, that sucks. Can't you *threaten* Bonnie with a timeout?? ;) Seriously, maybe Shadow should stay in your bedroom by himself when you're not home? Poor guy, tell him I'm rooting for him!! Karen > Unfortunately, yes they can. I'm sorry Cheryl, that sucks. Can't you > *threaten* Bonnie with a timeout?? ;) LOL She has had me running circles around the kitchen trying to get her to go where I want her to go. Too smart. My kitchen is one of those L shaped, with two entrances. Back when she was on a round of ABs for UTI, it was almost impossible to catch her to get a pill into her. I was ready to put her back in the cage for 14 days just so I could have her accessable. It was a nightmare for both of us. I know I scared her chasing her around to corner her, and I've never seen a cat so wiley and fast. It really is no wonder she was a survivor out there when she was wild. She has gotten over that but she is still suspicious when I try to get her to go somewhere other than where she wants to go. Food doesn't always work anymore for that. <sigh> SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II Karen M. wrote in news:101qpmp8oi2te5@corp.supernews.com on 01 Feb 2004: > You put the cat in the shelter, you're pretty much killing the cat. Why > don't you go take a compassion pill before trying to speak? Damn don't bring that option up right now. I have Shamrock acting all aggressive lately and attacking Shadow. Bonnie watches every move Shamrock makes and attacks Shadow. Between the two of them I can't keep Shadow safe anymore. They are both ganging up on him. And Shadow is so submissive that he will rear up with paws flailing but he won't stand up for himself and the other two know it. He spends most of his time anymore under the dining room table which is up against the wall. Shamrock has had two timeouts this weekend alone. I can't get Bonnie in timeout cos I can't catch the little bugger. Since Shadow is terminally sick I sometimes wonder if the others can sense that and attack him because he is weak. -- Cheryl I wonder if he doesn't have an odor that the other cats pick up on and maybe that's why they are going after him. W > I wonder if he doesn't have an odor that the other cats pick up on and > maybe that's why they are going after him. Well, he certainly does have an odor. Chronic diarrhea from IBD. He doesn't like being "cleaned up" so I get his butt shaved periodically. It is time for another shave now, and anal gland expression. Maybe they smell that? SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II circa 04 Feb 2004 02:21:48 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > > I wonder if he doesn't have an odor that the other cats pick up on and > > maybe that's why they are going after him. > > Well, he certainly does have an odor. Chronic diarrhea from IBD. He doesn't > like being "cleaned up" so I get his butt shaved periodically. It is time > for another shave now, and anal gland expression. Maybe they smell that? It might be worth a shot to get him a shave and squeeze, and maybe try some vanilla and/or Feliway? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Feb 2004: > It might be worth a shot to get him a shave and squeeze, and maybe > try some vanilla and/or Feliway? Shave and a squeeze. lol When I call the vet tomorrow I'm going to ask for it just like that. ;) I actually have 2 feliway diffusers, but haven't tried vanilla. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II >> It might be worth a shot to get him a shave and squeeze, and maybe >> try some vanilla and/or Feliway? > >Shave and a squeeze. lol When I call the vet tomorrow I'm going to ask for >it just like that. ;) I actually have 2 feliway diffusers, but haven't >tried vanilla. Sound like a feline rub and tug :-) -mhd circa 05 Feb 2004 02:22:12 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > > It might be worth a shot to get him a shave and squeeze, and maybe > > try some vanilla and/or Feliway? > > Shave and a squeeze. lol When I call the vet tomorrow I'm going to ask for > it just like that. ;) <snicker> Let me know how the vet responds. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Feb 2004: > <snicker> Let me know how the vet responds. :-) Will do. Grrr.. I still haven't had even a second to call. Work is totally nuts right now. Barely time to go pee let alone make personal calls. Glad this isn't a total emergency. Must share. I think Bonnie's issue with Shadow is jealousy. I pay a lot of attention to him, and while I pay a lot of attention to Shamrock and Bonnie, I sort of dote on Shadow. I think it finally got to her because tonight she climbed up on my lap for THE VERY FIRST TIME EVER. :)) From a little feral scared of everything, to a one year old now who has discovered she likes the attention she gets sitting on my lap. I was so tickled that she was sitting on my lap of her own free will that I almost burst out laughing and probably would have scared her off. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II > Feb 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > she was sitting on my lap of her own free will that I almost burst out > laughing and probably would have scared her off. q > Feb 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > she was sitting on my lap of her own free will that I almost burst out > laughing and probably would have scared her off. Hurray for you Cheryl! You're such a good mommy!!! :) :) :) Karen circa 07 Feb 2004 01:10:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > > <snicker> Let me know how the vet responds. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > she was sitting on my lap of her own free will that I almost burst out > laughing and probably would have scared her off. Jacob seems to have become very jealous of his snuggle space. He does *not* like Oscar to try to curl up with me if Jacob is there, and he has gotten very grumpy and vocal about it. Considering how much those two used to cuddle, it bums me out. :-( Maybe Bonnie will warm up to Shadow, however, if her current behavior is any indication. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > > I wonder if he doesn't have an odor that the other cats pick up on and > > maybe that's why they are going after him. > > Well, he certainly does have an odor. Chronic diarrhea from IBD. He doesn't > like being "cleaned up" so I get his butt shaved periodically. It is time > for another shave now, and anal gland expression. Maybe they smell that? Yes. That will flip cats out in a heartbeat. -L. 2004: > Yes. That will flip cats out in a heartbeat. It never occurred to me, thanks. So as Laura put it, shave and a squeeze it is. It's gross but he's learned how to clean himself in the last several months by dragging his butt on the carpet, and even once on the concrete slab in the basement room where one of the litter boxes is. My little dirt devil spot cleaner has been getting a workout. blech. It's just crazy here. To keep from aggrevating Shamrock's allergies I just use some Oxyclean and hot water in the dirt devil and of course worry about FeLV spreading. Yikes. :( SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II Wendy wrote in news:zuydneHvzviDCYLdRVn-iQ@comcast.com on 03 Feb 2004: > I wonder if he doesn't have an odor that the other cats pick up on and > maybe that's why they are going after him. Well, he certainly does have an odor. Chronic diarrhea from IBD. He doesn't like being "cleaned up" so I get his butt shaved periodically. It is time for another shave now, and anal gland expression. Maybe they smell that? -- Cheryl I take it the cronic anal gland thing is from having loose poo? W > I take it the cronic anal gland thing is from having loose poo? Yes.... :( SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II I agree with the other posters. Don't put this cat to sleep simply because of a small problem which can be easily solved. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > We have to cats (tiki and bailey) and although they are indoor cats we > usually let them out in our fenced in backyard everyday. Two nights a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Thanks / LS
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