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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2004Strange story...opinions please
Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) lovers. I brought my 6 year old tabby in to the vet on December 17th because she was not eating and vomitting up bile, and was basically lethargic. after about 5 days at the vets office he told me she was a very sick cat and her blood work as well as US revealed kidney and liver problems. He stated that she was not reponding to antibiotics, or IV fluids, and wanted to continue with more tests. At this point my husband and I decided to have her put to sleep. Our bill was already escalating, and there was no improvement. Let me just stress that this was an EXTREMELY difficult decision to make. Our four kids were also extremely attached to her, most of all our six year old daughter. It has been five weeks now and my daughter is still crying over her death. Anyway we adopted our kitty from the humane society at 10 weeks, where she was microchiped before leaving. Well yesterday I received a call from the humane society saying that they had my cat there! I explained the situation, and she asked me to describe our cat. After describing her I was asked to come in right away. When I arrived I was shocked at what I saw, it was my cat Abby! Supposedly some woman dumped her off along with two other cats. The woman claimed she had been given to her by a friend. Her belly was shaved and her leg. The woman said that the cat was vomitting so she brought her to the vet, where all testes came back negative. I have been an emotional wreck for the past 24 hours. I mean we have all been grieving her passing. We even set up a memorial with a picture I had taken of Abby and lit candles around it daily. Anyway I went in today and brought her home, the hardest part was trying to explain to our kids that she was not actually dead, that the vet lied! What do you all think of this? I am stunned. I tried calling the vet but his answering service refuses to call him, they say this is not an emergency. I cant for the life of me figure this one out. What do you all think? AJ > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > AJ that is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. How is she doing? Does she seem to be getting better? Have you asked the vet about it? karen OMG.....I would be at his office first thing Monday morning demanding to know what happened, why he lied and that if he does not reimburse you for all of your expenses he will face a very fat lawsuit and possibly lose his license....my God your poor daughter. I can't even imagine this happening to us. This is all assuming that the vet that you brought your cat to is the one who so called "put her to sleep" right? Christina -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > karen This is the strangest story I've ever heard. The first thing I think you should do is present all the evidence to the vet and see if there's some explanation (lord knows I can't think of one). If the vet gives you any trouble, I'd call the local veterinary society or licensing board and make a complaint! He really owes you an explanation. Judy F > OMG.....I would be at his office first thing Monday morning demanding to > know what happened, why he lied and that if he does not reimburse you for [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > karen I agree, this is unbelievable strange. Is your cat feeling better than when you last saw her? Hss she lost weight? Please, don't ever take her in to that vet again no matter what lame excuses he comes up with. It seems to me as though he should lose his license for this. I agree, I would go in there Monday a.m. (without your cat, of course) and demand to know what his explanation is. But regardless of what he says, very soon after, I would be calling the veterinary board, whatever the name of it is in your state, and reporting this moron. It almost seems as though he sells cats off to labs or something even more sinister but I can't imagine that he would get much money for one cat. Please keep us posted on this. You need to find a much better vet. I agree, the original vet should refund you everything you paid him in the hopes that you will not report him. Get the $$ back and then report him anyway. He is either very creepy or he's got some bad office help that snatched the cat. Maybe someone in his office didn't feel she should be euthanized and kidnapped her but then gave her to someone else. This is just conjecture, of course. Meanwhile, I hope little Abby can be cured and go on to live many more years with you. I'm sure she has had a very strange last few weeks. If only she could talk. Please keep us posted on what develops here. It's a good thing you had her microchipped but who knows what is happening to other cats who were not so fortunate. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) >From: maccandace@aol.comlitter (MacCandace) >Maybe someone in his office didn't feel she should be >euthanized and kidnapped her but then gave her to someone else. This is just >conjecture, of course. The only time I've ever heard of a vet not euthanizing a cat when the owner requested it is when the cat clearly shouldn't be euthanized, and the vet didn't want to euthanize a healthy cat. But you say your cat was very ill, so it really makes no sense. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Thanks for responding. Abby is VERY thin, and still lethargic. I brought her home from the humane society today so it is still too soon to tell. I was told she had kidney and liver disease, and these things dont just clear up on their own, so now I am faced with the agonizing decision yet again! This is a living nightmare. I will be visiting the vet tomorrow, and making an appointment with a new vet. I am so distraught and confused right now, I had nightmares all night. I dont know whether to be happy, sad or what. I couldnt leave her at the humane society, laying there all alone in a cage, but by taking her home am I just adding to my childrens suffering??? I am totally confused. I mean we have been lighting candles around a little memorial we made for her for the past 5 weeks! I have watched my daughter cry because her kitty wasnt cuddling with her at night anymore. Grrr this is maddening. AJ What if the cat doesn't have kidney and liver disease? If the vet farmed off your cat without you knowing, then he probably could have mis-diagnosed the situation. A new but reputable vet would give you the answers you need.  SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Thanks for responding. Abby is VERY thin, and still lethargic. I > brought her home from the humane society today so it is still too soon [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > AJ >What if the cat doesn't have kidney and liver disease? If the vet farmed off >your cat without you knowing, then he probably could have mis-diagnosed the >situation. A new but reputable vet would give you the answers you need. CP's right -- you need to get her to a new vet asap. Yes. Definitely see another vet. Gail > What if the cat doesn't have kidney and liver disease? If the vet farmed off > your cat without you knowing, then he probably could have mis-diagnosed the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > AJ > Thanks for responding. Abby is VERY thin, and still lethargic. I > brought her home from the humane society today so it is still too soon [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > AJ If this really is Abby, I think I would find a way to get her any treatment that might help. She is clearly supposed to live. > This is the strangest story I've ever heard. The first thing I think you > should do is present all the evidence to the vet and see if there's some > explanation (lord knows I can't think of one). If the vet gives you any > trouble, I'd call the local veterinary society or licensing board and make a > complaint! He really owes you an explanation. > Judy F I want to know whose cat got put down. >Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, >and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >fluids, and wanted to continue with more tests. >At this point my husband and I decided to have her put to sleep. That is so bizarre. The only explanation I can think of is the vet really felt the cat had a chance with the further testing and didn't want to euthanize her. One of our vets won't euthanize a healthy, adoptable cat--he brings them to us for a chance at adoption. But of course, your cat wasn't healthy, and our vet *informs* the owners of what he wants to do, and does so with their consent. You've just got to call the vet ASAP and demand an explanation. Please keep us posted. Sherry This is *extremely* strange. You're absolutely sure this is one & the same cat, right? Via microchip, her markings, etc., etc. I take it you were not present when she was euthanized & did not see her body post euthanasia? Too, too weird. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > AJ > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > I cant for the life of me figure this one out. > What do you all think? Some very weird stories appearing in this newsgroup lately. This one is baffling. It will unfold tomorrow when your vet's office will be open for business. I've never had a pet euthanized, but everyone that I know who has gone thru with it has told me that the vet had returned to them the dead pet. Did the vet ever ask you if you wanted the carcass? I'm glad that you've got Abby back, and in improved health, if in fact it's Abby. > Some very weird stories appearing in this newsgroup lately. This one is > baffling. It will unfold tomorrow when your vet's office will be open for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with it has told me that the vet had returned to them the dead pet. Did the > vet ever ask you if you wanted the carcass? Good point. I've had two cats euthanized & the vet does ask if you'd prefer to have the pet back for burial, if you'd prefer cremation - & if so, would you like the ashes back, or if you want the office to deal w/ the whole thing. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > I'm glad that you've got Abby back, and in improved health, if in fact it's > Abby. > Some very weird stories appearing in this newsgroup lately. This one is > baffling. It will unfold tomorrow when your vet's office will be open for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm glad that you've got Abby back, and in improved health, if in fact it's > Abby. I've had the misfortune of having a cat euthanized, and also having a cat die while being treated at the vet's. When I had Dash PTS, we were there with her and she passed away while we gave her a few last chin rubs and pettings. I guess you (OP) weren't there when Abby was PTS. What about the remains? Did you pick up a body or ashes? Again with Dash, we chose to have her cremated, and there was an ID sticker on the bottom of the container with our name, her name, etc, and I had to sign a log when I picked up the remains. When Argyle died after a surgery, we went to pick up his body, and honestly I don't remember if we had to sign anything. This was about 15 years ago. I never looked (the body was wrapped in a sheet) to make sure it was him. This smells of a hoax to me, but if it isn't, I apologize. I guess it is possible that these things could happen. If this is real, I would call the vet and get to the bottom of it. The animal hospital our shelter works with will sometimes save a cat or dog with a treatable problem that the owner wants to PTS, but they always get a release from the owner, so they know what's going on. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com "Knack" <zok9NOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gxWQb.27313 > Some very weird stories appearing in this newsgroup lately. This one is > baffling. It will unfold tomorrow when your vet's office will be open for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with it has told me that the vet had returned to them the dead pet. Did the > vet ever ask you if you wanted the carcass? Most vets offer to dispose of the body. > I'm glad that you've got Abby back, and in improved health, if in fact it's > Abby. >What do you all think? I do know that sometimes when people tell their vet to euthanize a healthy or slightly ill animal, they just say they euthanized him and rehome him. Most ethical vets refuse to euthanize healthy animals. Sometimes if an animal say needs $2,000 in veterinary care and the owner tells the vet to euthanize instead, the vet may treat the animal on his own account and rehome him. Maybe your vet did continue treatment then gave him to someone else? then the cat got sick again and she didn't want it so she dumped it? I'm not saying this is the right thing for the vet to do, just that it's possible. Or maybe the vet tech thought the animal was sweet, didn't want to euthanize and just gave it to someone. What a nightmare. > >What do you all think? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thought the animal was sweet, didn't want to euthanize and just gave it to > someone. What a nightmare. This is the most plausible explanation yet. The vet could not very well announce his intention if he decided to treat the cat for free, or the owner would opt for that, I guess. But on the other hand, if the vet was willing to do this, why not do it for the family that loves the cat? circa 25 Jan 2004 10:30:57 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, AJ (amaliayosa@yahoo.com) said, > I cant for the life of me figure this one out. > What do you all think? I'm still boggling over this one. When you told the veterinarian to put the cat to sleep, what was the vet's response? Was this a financial issue? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. A very similar story happened here in my city as well so it is not outside the realm of possibility for those who doubt the OP's story. A man brought his dog to the vet because it was ill and the vet diagnosed some really bad illness that could not be easily (or if at all) treated, so the man decided to put the dog to sleep. Then months later he saw his dog being walked down the street by someone else. When he spoke to the other person he found out how he had got the dog and it was from the vet, or someone the vet knows (I really can't remember that well) He had wanted this particular type of dog and the vet kept an eye out for one and then he deliberatley misdiagnosed this dog so the owner would make the decision to have the animal put down and then he could give the dog to this other person. Unfortunately, there was nothing the original owner could do, so much time had elapsed and he really had no way to positively ID the dog, ie, no microchip or tattoo. He knew it was his dog and when he spoke to the new owner, he said he got it somehow from that vet around the time his was "put down" He didn't do anything about it because the dog did have a good home now and because dogs look alike, his knowing it was his dog would not be enough in court. Pretty Crappy, I don't think I would have done nothing if it had been my animal. > circa 25 Jan 2004 10:30:57 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, AJ > (amaliayosa@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. Another possibility. Someone at the vet's office could've 'rescued' the cat because they didn't feel it should be put to sleep. Don't take Abby back to that vet, but be sure to ask that vet a lot of questions, and listen carefully to what he/she has to say. We have a tendency to be extra angry with people who are being payed for their services. Vets and their associates are human like everyone else. Everyone make mistakes. > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > AJ Yes but if that was the case then the cat's original humans should have been notified. I find it inconceivable that this was just some honest mistake. I'd take this vet to court and make sure he can't do this to someone else. The vet should not be allowed to practice medicine and his license should be revoked. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Another possibility. Someone at the vet's office could've 'rescued' the cat > because they didn't feel it should be put to sleep. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > AJ Thanks for your responses, I will be confronting the vet today and let you know what happpens. To the poster that claimed this sounds like a hoax, I AGREE I was totally blown away by this. This is definately ABBY, I checked her out from head to toe, and she has a small chip on her right front tooth. This has been the most bizarre thing I have ever expierienced! The thing is the vet told me Abby was VERY sick, they had her for a week on antibiotics, iv fluids, they ran numerous tests, Ultrasound revieled kidney abnormalities, and liver disease, she wasnt eating at all, throwing up bile, and quickly wasting away! She was/is stricktly an indoor cat so she could'nt have gotten into any poison. But why would'nt he tell me if he thought Abby would be ok, and that putting her down was not the best choice? Instead he leads me to believe the cat has died, even called me the next day to offer his sympathy!He seemed to agree with me on my decision?? He also cares/cared for our two dogs as well and knows that I am a resposible pet owner who is willing to go to great lenghts for my pets. It just makes no sense. I am a nervous wreck about confronting him today. God knows what Abby has been through! The lady that brought her in to the humane society. a;so brought in 2 other cats, claimed she had allergies and was moving. She would not say where she got Abby, and when asked why she was shaved the lady claimed, the cat was vomitting so she brought her into the vet where all tests came back negative. Big mystery, I am hoping the vet can shed some light on this whole mystery. Meanwhile I am happy to report that Abbly seems to be doing fairly well. She ate last night and this morning. She is still very thin but she hasnt vomitted since she has been home. Hopefully there will be a happy ending here. AJ (Amy) Whatever happens, if he seems a little nervous when you confront him, in the long run, you've GOT to destroy him by whatever means necessary. He obviously slipped by forgetting about microchips. He will NEVER make this same mistake again. If something funny's going on, and it certainly sounds like it, he could cover his tracks and continue with whatever it is he's doing. >Thanks for your responses, I will be confronting the vet today and let >you know what happpens. To the poster that claimed this sounds like a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >happy ending here. >AJ (Amy) Before you go to the vet: Call a lawyer. Also call the humane society. Also contact the veterinary review board. Also contact any rescue groups of which you are aware. ONLY after doing all this should you contact the vet. DO NOT go alone. I would also strongly consider getting an undercover reporter from a local television station involved. > Thanks for your responses, I will be confronting the vet today and let > you know what happpens. To the poster that claimed this sounds like a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > happy ending here. > AJ (Amy) I agree but the only problem with a reporter is this vet no matter how bad, might be able to sue on grounds of slander. That is why a lawyer will be needed first before that happens. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Before you go to the vet: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > happy ending here. > > AJ (Amy) Great advice didn't even think of that!!!! I hope AJ reads your posts before going to the vet!!!!! -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > Before you go to the vet: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > happy ending here. > > AJ (Amy) > Thanks for your responses, I will be confronting the vet today and let > you know what happpens. ...> Big mystery, I am hoping the vet can shed some light on this whole > mystery. ..> AJ (Amy) When you go to see the vet, be sure to ask for a copy of all of the cat's medical records. Ask for these before you talk to the vet. I hope the cat is O.K. and you have her around a lot longer. Annie > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) > lovers. A curiousity, when you have a cat put down (at least in CA), you sign a release form. Did you? SignatureDennis Carr - ke6isf@spamcop.net | I may be out of my mind, http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way. ------------------------------------+------------------------------- > > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) > > lovers. > > A curiousity, when you have a cat put down (at least in CA), you sign a > release form. Did you? What does the release form say? I would *hope* that is a release only for the intended purpose (euthanasia, in this case) and not some sort of release of ownership to another person (the vet). MaryL Yes, my husband signed the release form, and it was permission to euthenize. Amy But not giving the vet permission to give the cat away. Sounds like this vet is running some kind of scam. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Yes, my husband signed the release form, and it was permission to euthenize. > > Amy >But not giving the vet permission to give the cat away. Sounds like this vet >is running some kind of scam. I don't see the profit motive here. Selling a dying or sick cat when shelters are full of healthy ones? I thought I posted the follow up to this group but have'nt seen it today, so here goes. Well I paid the vet a visit this morning. Let me tell you he was suprised to see me! Here is his explanation. I authorized the euthinization (SP?) on Friday. He claims that by Saturday Abby started getting better and he felt that she had a fighting chance. He said that he tried to call me on Saturday but got my machine, but then the weekend got away from him and by Monday he figured it was too late to call me and tell me since I would have been grieving already. So he claims he then handed the cat over to his technician with strict orders to watch the cat and if she started getting worse again to bring the cat back to him. Well he then brought the tech in. She says she was moving so she gave my cat along with her two others to a friend. Apparently the friends boyfriend was angry and bullied her into bringing the cats in to the humane society. I have a feeling that the tech and the techs friend are one in the same because I called the humane society and described the tech, and they said she fits the description of the girl that dropped the cats off! The vet was practically on his hands and knees begging my forgiveness. He said he will do anything I want to rectify the situation, he was on the verge of tears. He said he was only trying to save her life because he felt she had a fighting chance. He first offered to euthenize her for me again, I told him there was no way I could make this decision yet again then he agreed to wipe out all of our current bills, and send her to a specialist in the next big city and pay all of her bills. I am even more confused now and not sure what to do. I mean it was not his call to make! I just pray that by some miracle my kitty recovers and this will all be a bad dream. AJ Just wanted to add that since posting this message I contacted my attorney, she told me that they have come across alot of people making claims against the vet. I so much want to give him the benefit of the doubt, I mean I really trusted this man and believe his intentions were to save my cat, I just feel like he totally decieved me and that is so wrong, if I had thought my cat had a fighting chance I would have brought her home myself and tried to nurse her back to health. Hopefully I will know what to do within the next week. Amy Yes, you posted it, & there have been lots of replies. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > I thought I posted the follow up to this group but have'nt seen it > today, so here goes. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Amy <SNIP> >Just wanted to add that since posting this message I contacted my >attorney, she told me that they have come across alot of people making [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Amy Can you post the name and address of this vet so no one else falls into this trap? > I thought I posted the follow up to this group but have'nt seen it > today, so here goes. ... > The vet was practically on his hands and knees begging my forgiveness. > He said he will do anything I want to rectify the situation, he was on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of her bills. I am even more confused now and not sure what to do. I > mean it was not his call to make! ...> AJ Amy, I think your vet is wacky. I have a hard time believing his story about not being able to contact you when the cat started to improve, so he gave your cat away. Having said that, I think you should take him up on the offer to wipe out all of your current bills. As for the rest of his offer, you need to decide what you think is best for your cat. I sure can understand your confusion. Your whole family must be in a state of shock. I imagine the cat is happy to be home again, though. If you could trust him to pay the specialist and not stick you with some huge debt, I'd think I would go for it. You probably will want to have your cat checked out, anyway, to see how she is doing. However I'd want to check out the specialist first and know that the specialist isn't in cahoots with the first vet and is aware of and agrees to the offer. Getting it in writing would be good. Also I would not let the vet be responsible for transporting the cat to or from said specialist. I do hope that all turns out well for you. Annie If he does intend to flip the bill, get it in writing. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Amy, > I think your vet is wacky. I have a hard time believing his story about not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I do hope that all turns out well for you. > Annie > Just wanted to add that since posting this message I contacted my > attorney, she told me that they have come across alot of people making [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Amy I do not necessarily doubt this part, that the vet *means* well, but as you can see, they do not have any kind of ethics involved here. So *meaning* well doesn't make it a good vet practice or a good vet. As Lyn pointed out, this was not euthanasia because of some paltry reason (although knock on wood the diagnosis was as bad as the treatment Abby got and she is not as sick as she seemed.). I don't know, if there have been other complaints, something needs to be done. Karen > I thought I posted the follow up to this group but have'nt seen it > today, so here goes. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Amy Best of luck in your decision. It's a real mess. Just out of curiousity, where are you located? -L. > What does the release form say? I would *hope* that is a release only for > the intended purpose (euthanasia, in this case) and not some sort of release > of ownership to another person (the vet). > > MaryL Legally, a release form is permission to euthanize the cat, but it also surrenders ownership to the vet (depending on state law). Sometimes when people turn their pets over for euthanasia, primarily because of financial reasons, the cats will be rescued, cured and rehomed, either by the techs who work for the vet or by people who are rescuers and are in contact with the vet. Sometimes the original owners are NOT notified, especially if the original owner is a known nutcase (not that the OP falls under this category, but it happens). Legally the vets can do it, they aren't breaking the law, but whether or not it is ethical is another story altogether. I have participated in the "fixing" and rehoming of surrendered kittens with broken legs, and cats surrendered for mild behavioral problems. In one case I KNOW the original owners were not notified, and that didn't bother me because the original owner was a PITA a.shole. The euthanasia fee went toward the boarding bill while we found the cat a new home. While it might not be the most ethical thing to do, dropping off the cat to be euthanized because it "kills birds" wasn't ethical, either, so AFAIC, two wrongs DID make a right, in this case. The cat is now in a loving permanent home and doing wonderfully. But I will also say, IME, if a cat was diagnosed as a liver/kidney case, it would *not* have been a candidate for rescue as described above. It *would* have been euthanized, as directed. The only sure way to avoid this is to be with your animal when it is euthanized. -L. >Sometimes when people turn their pets over for euthanasia, primarily >because of financial reasons, the cats will be rescued, cured and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >a.shole. The euthanasia fee went toward the boarding bill while we >found the cat a new home. That wasn't just unethical, it was fraud. How dare anyone take someone's money for a purpose and then decide they can do what they want because the person will be in no position to see if the contract was carried out. If you are going to take a cat and not put it down, just tell the person you will take it off their hands and nurse it to health, or whatver. To take their money for another purpose is fraud. > >Sometimes when people turn their pets over for euthanasia, primarily > >because of financial reasons, the cats will be rescued, cured and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > off their hands and nurse it to health, or whatver. To take their money for > another purpose is fraud. I admitted it wasn't necessarily ethical, in the most strict sense of the word. The vet was committing fraud, but IMO, sometimes breaking the law for the betterment of the animal is justifiable. YMMV. -L. >I admitted it wasn't necessarily ethical, in the most strict sense of >the word. The vet was committing fraud, but IMO, sometimes breaking >the law for the betterment of the animal is justifiable. YMMV. Great, it is poeple like you who keep government lawyers like me in work. You feel the law is wrong, so disobey it. How about changing the law instead. This woman relied on the word and exchange of money between ehr and her vet that certain actions would be done. So, you're telling me that it is ok for the vet to turn around after she is gone and to say . . . "the heck with her, I'm gonna do what I want?" If a vet doesn't like what the pet owner is instructing them to do, they should just not do it; not lie to the owner. >>I admitted it wasn't necessarily ethical, in the most strict sense of >>the word. The vet was committing fraud, but IMO, sometimes breaking [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'm gonna do what I want?" If a vet doesn't like what the pet owner is >instructing them to do, they should just not do it; not lie to the owner. Somehow from the tone and content of your posts I don't really think you are a lawyer. I may be wrong but I don't think so. -mhd LMAO! I can't believe this. NOW we're attacking the guy who says he's a lawyer? Unbelievable. Even if he wasn't who the heck cares? He has an opinion just like you do, for heaven's sake. Let him express it and his views. *I* for one, find him very salient. Carry on, please GovtLawyer, I think you've entered some very pertinent information and thoughts into this truly tragic breach of faith and ethics and morals re: the stinking vet who violated Amy, and her family's trust with their choice of caregivers for their precious kitty. Amy, if you're still reading this thread, how are things going? I hope and pray for you and your family, and Abby, that things will work out for her. I know in one posting you mentioned you try to give the benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to point out that the vet no longer deserves that honor. You DID give him that, when you trusted him with your Abby. He failed you miserably and dishonorably. He failed his whole profession and every other client he has. I hope you will choose to take action of some kind, even if it is only to report the entire incident to some authority and allow them to further investigate so no one else is as hurt as you and your family has been. H > >>I admitted it wasn't necessarily ethical, in the most strict sense of > >>the word. The vet was committing fraud, but IMO, sometimes breaking [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -mhd If he is a lawyer then why is he on the newsgroups instead of actually working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Somehow from the tone and content of your posts I don't really think > you are a lawyer. > > I may be wrong but I don't think so. > > -mhd > If he is a lawyer then why is he on the newsgroups instead of actually > working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. CP, this is really funny. You know, I don't think this is funny. I get really tired of lawyer bashing. My personal opinion is that settlements for "pain and suffering" are immoral. I in fact come from a family of lawyers who refuse to practice certain kinds of law because of the ethics involved. But you'd be very thankful that such attorneys existed if you needed one! My personal feeling is that civil lawsuits ought to be unnecessary because of regulatory boards and oversight committees. However, in reality even these need the checks and balances our court system offers us, the public. To not take advantage of them would be foolish. Should an award for pain and suffering be awarded, the OP could donate it somewhere, if she decides to follow the lawsuit path. Hopefully, she will be able to resolve this without going to those lengths. I for one am grateful that GovtLawyer has spoken up. S/He has offered wise and balanced advice all along, and deserves to be respected for his/her opinion AND perhaps even thanked for taking the time to share it so freely! > > If he is a lawyer then why is he on the newsgroups instead of > actually > > working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. > > CP, this is really funny. circa Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:41:05 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Betsy (n0spam@spam.c-0) said, > You know, I don't think this is funny. I get really tired of lawyer > bashing. Mary wasn't lawyer bashing. She might have been CP bashing, but not lawyer bashing. Have you met CP yet? He's a little unhinged. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Who is CP? > circa Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:41:05 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Betsy (n0spam@spam.c-0) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Laura I think it's Cat Protector. -- http://www.geocities.com/chrissy_1228/ourkittycats.html > Who is CP? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > > Your a.s will be laminated. circa Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:00:49 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Betsy (n0spam@spam.c-0) said, > Who is CP? CP is "Cat Protector". He doesn't really have a lot of, shall we say, perspective. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. I am CP. Leave it to Laura to take a jab at me in order to make herself look good. I guess some people need the spotlight so they take a thread to pick on others in order to make themselves the center of attention. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Who is CP? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Laura circa Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:33:57 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > I am CP. Leave it to Laura to take a jab at me in order to make herself look > good. I guess some people need the spotlight so they take a thread to pick > on others in order to make themselves the center of attention. See what I mean? Cue Twilight Zone music... SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Oh, for crying out loud! Same old, same old, whenever you say something off the wall. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > I am CP. Leave it to Laura to take a jab at me in order to make herself look > good. I guess some people need the spotlight so they take a thread to pick [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > > > Your a.s will be laminated. Let me see, lawyers bash other lawyers. Does that mean they should stop bashing each other in court? If that's the case, let's all represent ourselves in court. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > You know, I don't think this is funny. I get really tired of lawyer > bashing. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > CP, this is really funny. > You know, I don't think this is funny. I get really tired of lawyer > bashing. I thought it was funny because it was so incredibly stupid. > You know, I don't think this is funny. I get really tired of lawyer > bashing. She thought CP's reply was funny - it was a reply to his post, not lawyer-bashing. IOW - why *wouldn't* a lawyer have any free time to post to Usenet? - CP's comment was ludicrous/funny. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > > If he is a lawyer then why is he on the newsgroups instead of > > actually > > > working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. > > > > CP, this is really funny. circa Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:42:08 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > If he is a lawyer then why is he on the newsgroups instead of actually > working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. Oh, GAWD, you just never quit. Go patch the holes in your tinfoil hat, already. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:42:08 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh, GAWD, you just never quit. Go patch the holes in your tinfoil > hat, already. Oh, please, Laura! Now what would a REAL lawyer be doing with access to a COMPUTER and enough income to have a bit of free time. I ask you! ;) circa Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:57:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > > If he is a lawyer then why is he on the newsgroups instead of > actually [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to a > COMPUTER and enough income to have a bit of free time. I ask you! ;) Oh, damn, educated, employed professionals aren't able to post to Usenet? I guess I need to either lose the job or the 'puters! ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >If he is a computer technician, master of broadcast media, and protector of cats, then why is he on the newsgroups instead of actually working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. >>If he is a computer technician, master of broadcast media, and protector of >cats, then why is he on the newsgroups instead of actually working? It seems >he has plenty of time to spend online. ROFL!! Sherry circa Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:27:55 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, equalizer <> (equalizer <>) said, > >If he is a computer technician, master of broadcast media, and protector of cats, then why is he on the newsgroups instead of actually working? It seems he has plenty of time to spend online. What, you didn't know? Besides being a computer technician, master of broadcast media, protector of cats, rocket scientist, college professor, inventor of the Internet and brain surgeon, he can also warp the space-time continuum. Laura SignatureSuccessful men follow the same advice they prescribe for others. > >I admitted it wasn't necessarily ethical, in the most strict sense of > >the word. The vet was committing fraud, but IMO, sometimes breaking > >the law for the betterment of the animal is justifiable. YMMV. > > Great, it is poeple like you who keep government lawyers like me in work. You > feel the law is wrong, so disobey it. Yep, that's right. >How about changing the law instead. Oh, as if that's so easy, in this day and age of special interest groups and corrupt government. Dream on, lawyer boy. > This woman relied on the word and exchange of money between ehr and her vet > that certain actions would be done. So, you're telling me that it is ok for > the vet to turn around after she is gone and to say . . . "the heck with her, > I'm gonna do what I want?" The best line of action would be to refuse the cat if he was unsure he was going to euthanize it. In most cases like this, it's not that clear, and if there is any chance of saving the cat and rehoming it, the vet tells the owner so. > If a vet doesn't like what the pet owner is > instructing them to do, they should just not do it; not lie to the owner. I agree, but once the deed is done, whatcha gonna do? Animals are property. So the vet gets slapped on the wrist, pays a meager fine and gets on with his life. In most cases like this, the cat is bettered by the vets inaction (refusal to euth), and the original owner doesn't know any different, unless the vet notifies them. I will say, in the cases like this I have experienced, the original owner *was* notified. In fact, I can only think of one case where she was not, and in that case, the original owner had absolutely no interest in the cat - dead or alive. So, who is hurt, really? In this specific case, no one, and the cat came out a winner. In fact I will go so far as to say if one shitty cat owner has a death on her mind that didn't actually occur, goody for her. In this specific case, she deserved any grief she brought about herself. There are far worse things vets do that should be getting your panties in a bundle...like sending animals from death row to Class B animal dealers where they are sold to research. As a pet owner I would be much more upset if I knew Fluffy was being experimented on at Tufts, than I would if I found out Fluffy was cured and rehomed. Everything is relative. -L. circa 27 Jan 2004 15:27:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, GovtLawyer (govtlawyer@aol.com) said, > This woman relied on the word and exchange of money between ehr and her vet > that certain actions would be done. The vet did not charge for euthanasia. Just pointing that out, since you've referenced him charging her several times. As I said, I still don't know what I think about this whole thing. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, > and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > AJ Often when a cat is surrendered for euthanasia, someone (usually a wealthy cat rescuer) will step and take over the medical bills to see if the cat can be saved. The problem is, legally, the cat was surrendered by you, so is no longer your property, and the vet can do with her what he wants. The only way to make sure this doesn't happen is to be with your cat while it is euthanized. IMO, if he didn't intend to euthanize her, and took money from you for euthanasia, he should refund your euthanasia fee. Is the cat doing ok now? -L. > The problem is, legally, the cat was >surrendered by you, so is no longer your property, and the vet can do >with her what he wants Not true. I am sure she paid a fee for the euthanasia. She gave him the cat to euthanize, not to do whatever he wished. There was a contract and the vet either breached the contract or committed fraud in the contracting. > > The problem is, legally, the cat was > >surrendered by you, so is no longer your property, and the vet can do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to euthanize, not to do whatever he wished. There was a contract and the vet > either breached the contract or committed fraud in the contracting. Depends on how the contract is worded. -L. The vets bill never included a fee for euthenasia actually. I thought he was just being commpassionate, knowing that I was having a hard time with this decision, and it was so close to Christmas and I myself have been struggling with liver disease. One of the hardest things about this is I feel totally betrayed by a man I really liked, and trusted. He had always been good to my pets and had taken great care of them. How could he even have thought about facing me again? And beleive it or not I feel sorry for him. I do believe he only wanted to save my cat, but he made some bad choices thats for sure. This is going to be a tough call for me to make. I consider myself to be an extremely compassionate person, and I am always willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, but this was just beyond cruel. My eyes are puffy and red from crying so much for days, and all I can do is stare at the walls and go through the motions during the day.I can hardly sleep at night. I am completely numb.....I am trying to feel grateful that I have Abby back, but am scared to get my hopes up for fear of having to face her death again. I cant help but wonder how many others he has done this too. Amy >Hello everyone, I am posting this here because I am totally stunned, >and distraught and in need of some input from fellow animal(cat) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >It has been five weeks now and my daughter is still crying over her >death. ... This has been bothering me so I went back to look at it again. The vet thought there was a chance that the cat would make it but required more testing and treatment. AJ thought there wasn't any improvement and couldn't (or wouldn't) spend more money for tests and treatment. I think we all understand that position even if we say we would never do that. I spent around $4000 on Nico just to have him die a few months later so maybe next time I won't be so fast to shell out a few thousand on a likely lost cause, especially if that lost cause is going to suffer. The Vet collected money for euthanesia but really thought the cat had a chance and being a decent sort of guy did the tests and treatment on his own. The cat got better. An awkward situation now exists as he was told to kill the cat but the cat is getting better. He tries to contact AJ but cannot get in touch and is busy saving other animals and forgets about this for the weekend. Now he has an even more awkward situation. And he decides to give the cat a home elsewhere; after all, AJ gave up on it. Again, I'm not ranting on AJ here; I understand, I'm just trying to see the other side. Well, having been told to kill the cat, I guess a decent vet should have just killed the cat? Nope, I think not. He went with his gut instinct that a 5 year old cat could be saved even if the owner couldn't afford it. How much more would he have to charge for his efforts after being told to kill the cat? The charge for killing it is $75 or so. I guarantee it cost him more in time and testing than that $75 if just for basic vet overnights. Does a vet stay in business by having patients refuse to pay for expensive treatment, saving the cat on his own, and then giving the cat back anyway? I'd bring my cat to him for sure and get that treatment. Would have saved me a few thousand. But he would not be paying the rent and would go out of business pretty soon. This doesn't look like a vet trying to screw someone out of their money. This looks like a dedicated guy who made a mistake by saving a cat. You'd think that would get some applause from my friends in this group. Did I miss something somewhere? > This has been bothering me so I went back to look at it again. The vet > thought there was a chance that the cat would make it but required [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > after all, AJ gave up on it. Again, I'm not ranting on AJ here; I > understand, I'm just trying to see the other side. > Well, having been told to kill the cat, I guess a decent vet should > have just killed the cat? Nope, I think not. He went with his gut [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > cat. You'd think that would get some applause from my friends in this > group. Did I miss something somewhere? Really well said. I too do not follow the logic of so many here. I am hoping someone can tell me, of all the options available to the vet, why the one he chose was clearly outrageous. (Even if this story is "Usenet fiction," it's certainly been interesting seeing the responses.) >I am hoping someone can tell me, of all the options available to the vet, why >the one he chose was clearly outrageous. This is a guy who has an advanced degree, and is supposed to be very smart. Not leaving a message on an answering machine, and not following up with what happened to this person beloved pet was was below the standards many of us expect from health care professionals; even pet health care professionals. No one is faulting his sudden decision to forego the euthanasia, which came from a humane place. It was his execution of his plan to give this owner back a helathy cat rather than an urn of ashes which was haphazard and negligently performed. > >I am hoping someone can tell me, of all the options available to the vet, why > >the one he chose was clearly outrageous. > > This is a guy who has an advanced degree, and is supposed to be very smart. This is another issue. I don't consider any person smart just because he/she has an advanced degree. The degree means a certain amount of competence is alleged. > Not leaving a message on an answering machine, and not following up with what > happened to this person beloved pet was was below the standards many of us [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > helathy cat rather than an urn of ashes which was haphazard and negligently > performed. Why should he give the owner back a healthy cat? This is not what was contracted for. > > >I am hoping someone can tell me, of all the options available to the vet, why > > >the one he chose was clearly outrageous. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > This is another issue. I don't consider any person smart just because he/she has > an advanced degree. I bet you don't. *snicker* "Mary" <rosefan@email.com> wrote snip > > This is another issue. I don't consider any person smart just > because he/she has > > an advanced degree. > > I bet you don't. *snicker* Don't what? Don't consider any person smart just because he/she has an advanced degree? > > This has been bothering me so I went back to look at it again. The vet > > thought there was a chance that the cat would make it but required [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > (Even if this story is "Usenet fiction," it's certainly been interesting seeing > the responses.) Caroline, Let me just say that when I confronted the vet yesterday he agreed with me that it didnt look like my cat was going to make it. Money was not the deciding factor. It was'nt MY THOUGHT that there was'nt any improvement, that is what my VET told me! This is a man I have been dealing with for quite a while, he also treats my other pets (two dogs) and knows how much I love them and how dedicated I am. I never said I thought he was trying to get my money, NEVER and I never accused the man of anything! I am in an extremely awkward position here. He made a bad judgement call for sure. He called me the next day(left a message) to see how I was doing, could he not have said "Please call me, I have not yet put Abby down" I would have gladly dished out more money had I known that she had a fighting chance! He had already done much testing and told me she was VERY sick. And not responding. This is outrageous because Abby is my beloved cat and if I had known (which I had the right to know) that she was suddenly responding, I would have brought her home, instead he decided who she would go home with, unfortunately this person turned out to be a total flake who dumped abby at the humane society. THANK GOD she was microchipped! I had lost my golden retriever Blaze 3 years ago to kidney disease, I spent thousands of dollars on him, and kept him alive because I felt it was the right thing to do at the time, I did'nt feel Abby should be put through the same. I wish this were Usenet fiction, it feels like an awful nightmare to me. On one hand I am grateful to have my cat back, on the other hand I am scared to death that I am going to have to make the agonizing decision yet again to have her pts. But I have to say that right now, although she had a rough time at the vets today, she is happy to be home, purring constantly, and as cuddly as ever, and I am going to try and just enjoy every bit of time I have with her. Let me just add that the vets first suggestion when he saw me was to euthenize her right away. SOunds like he now wants to just be rid of the problem. Anyway I can see where your coming from, I am facing some of the same feelings toward this man, I mean after all my Abby is alive and for now well, but this has been an emotional rollar coaster for myself and my children I just hope it has a happy ending. Amy > Caroline, Let me just say that when I confronted the vet yesterday he > agreed with me that it didnt look like my cat was going to make it. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > gladly dished out more money had I known that she had a fighting > chance! This is what I thought. There are some here who apparently believe that you simply said, "that's too expensive a treatment, go ahead and put her down." I knew that is not what happened. [snip] > But I have to say that right now, > although she had a rough time at the vets today, she is happy to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > euthenize her right away. SOunds like he now wants to just be rid of > the problem. I also thought this was really weird. The fact that she is microchipped makes her essentially evidence to his incompetence. > Anyway I can see where your coming from, I am facing some of the same > feelings toward this man, I mean after all my Abby is alive and for > now well, but this has been an emotional rollar coaster for myself and > my children I just hope it has a happy ending. > > Amy I sure hope so too. >Caroline, Let me just say that when I confronted the vet yesterday he >agreed with me that it didnt look like my cat was going to make it. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Amy Amy, let me exp0lain myself. As you can see, I have been following this scenario with interest and it has aroused some feeling within me. Some of the things are first coming to light now which make it more confusing. For example, I didn't realize he left any message at all. Now that I know he did, I'm not sure it makes it better or worse. Suffice it to say, I am a loving cat pwner, as you are; so, I naturally empathized with you and felt your pain. I am also a lawyer, so part of me was thinking about right and wrong and justice and injustice. In the final analysis, I know you have a long history with this vet and are rightfully torn between taking action or not. My take on the matter is simple; it doesn't appear as if this guy acted properly. This may be a simple issue of sloppiness or it may be an issue of morality and ethics. I think there are those who regulate, license and supervise vets who ought to be made aware of what happened here. I'm not saying sue the guy or burn down his practice. I just think someone disassociated from this should look at it. Perhaps, there is an absolute prohibition for a vet to deny your wishes, I don't know. That is all I am going to say on this. Unfortunately, your kitty is still sick and its future uncertain. I know that wherever this road leads you, again, you will do what you think is right and just and humane. > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote > > > This has been bothering me so I went back to look at it again. The vet [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Money was not the deciding factor. It was'nt MY THOUGHT that there > was'nt any improvement, that is what my VET told me! AJ, I appreciate your keeping everyone updated. This is a situation any one of us could face, so I think all the discussion helps the public in general. FWIW This is silly Usenet, and you have a still sick but hopefully improving kitty, but for the sake of communications (or maybe I'm being an a.s), you did write in your very first post on this: "[The vet] stated that she was not reponding to antibiotics, or IV fluids, and wanted to continue with more tests. At this point my husband and I decided to have her put to sleep. Our bill was already escalating, and there was no improvement." This is not to point an accusing finger. It is just an observation about how difficult communications can be. Anyway, it was this comment that led some of us to believe money was at least some factor in the decision-making. Money being a factor to my knowledge is usual with many pet owners, and I don't blame anyone for having to choose between their own financial needs and their cat's. > This is a man I > have been dealing with for quite a while, he also treats my other pets > (two dogs) and knows how much I love them and how dedicated I am. > I never said I thought he was trying to get my money, NEVER and I > never accused the man of anything! I hope I never said I thought the vet was trying to get your money. I am impressed at how he immediately offered to wipe away all bills and pay for your cat's furthur treatment. This is why I am opposed to taking legal action against him or reporting him to a state board, unless there's more to this story. On the other hand, you have so many more details than any one here has. You lived this moment by moment, and took in every word, every emotion, every scintilla of body language by the vet and his tech.'s. With what you have given us, I think I'd switch to another vet just because this was such a huge imbroglio that it would likely color my relations with the vet henceforth. But this is just me, and in no way do I want to try to coerce you to do what I want to do. People have to make up their own minds. I (and anyone) has to realize they could be wrong. > I am in an extremely awkward > position here. He made a bad judgement call for sure. He called me the > next day(left a message) to see how I was doing, could he not have > said "Please call me, I have not yet put Abby down" I would have > gladly dished out more money had I known that she had a fighting > chance! I have no idea, but could it be he misread your desires, based on previous meetings? I just think this is a very difficult situation. Not black and white at all. If it seems that it is very cut and dry to you, I respect your position, since you lived this, and not anyone here. > He had already done much testing and told me she was VERY sick. And > not responding. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > home, purring constantly, and as cuddly as ever, and I am going to try > and just enjoy every bit of time I have with her. :-)))) > Let me just add that the vets first suggestion when he saw me was to > euthenize her right away. SOunds like he now wants to just be rid of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > now well, but this has been an emotional rollar coaster for myself and > my children I just hope it has a happy ending. Best wishes from afar. > Amy circa Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:40:51 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Caroline (caroline10027remove@earthlink.net) said, <snipping of lots of stuff I was thinking> Perfectly put. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa 27 Jan 2004 15:16:02 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, AJ (amaliayosa@yahoo.com) said, > I would have > gladly dished out more money had I known that she had a fighting > chance! That changes things. Now I'm confused again. :-S Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >rec.pets.cats.health+behav, AJ >(amaliayosa@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Laura So am I. The original post said: "He stated that she was not reponding to antibiotics, or IV fluids, and wanted to continue with more tests. At this point my husband and I decided to have her put to sleep. Our bill was already escalating, and there was no improvement." I had interpreted this to mean that the escalating bill factored into the decision to euthanize. Later posts indicate that it did not. Sherry > >That changes things. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry Well of course the escalating bill was a factor. BECAUSE she was showing NO signs of improvement.She was still not eating, she was still vomitting, she was still lethargic, and wasting away. Its kind of like keeping a human on life support. He was trying to offer me hope by offering to continue tests, BUT he told me this was not good and that she was very sick. BUT had I known that she had a turnaround the very next day I most definately would have brought her home. He had already performed numerous tests all which revealed that without a doubt she was very sick. Was money THE deciding factor? No of course not and if I made it sound that way it was a mistake, was money A |
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