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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2004Big Boy Update
Well, I am overwhelmed by the generosity of all of you! Right now, I think I am not going the Michigan route for a lot of reasons. First, I don't think he could handle the trip. I'm in a real dilemna here... He really is timid little soul who is responding very well to the 'homey' touches. I no keep his kennel door open & he goes back & forth to the bathroom where the litter box is. Tonight, he jumped up on my bed & I think he was surprised that it was nice & soft. I still haven't pushed to pick him up but... Anyway, I know he is depressed at being brought in but he has a little more freedom. I will be looking at a shelter in Long Island, Angel's Gate, that might have openings soon... I know I'm naive, but I know Big Boy is truly a lap cat waiting for a lap. He is totally asymptomatic and really very meek! I don't think that would last too long at all in a large shelter. I don't know whether its too cruel to even subject him to that stress...... Big boy was truly lucky to find you! Please keep us updated on your continuing experience! Judy F > Well, I am overwhelmed by the generosity of all of you! Right now, I think > I am not going the Michigan route for a lot of reasons. First, I don't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > very meek! I don't think that would last too long at all in a large shelter. > I don't know whether its too cruel to even subject him to that stress...... << I will be looking at a shelter in Long Island, Angel's Gate, that might have openings soon... I know I'm naive, but I know Big Boy is truly a lap cat waiting for a lap. He is totally asymptomatic and really very meek! I don't think that would last too long at all in a large shelter. I don't know whether its too cruel to even subject him to that stress...... >> As long as you're willing to hold out until you find something, I'm sure it will all work out in the end and, fi you find a home that's not close to you, I'm sure we would all chip in to get him there. Maybe an actual home somewhere would be the best? There are people who have all FeLV+ cats in their home, it's just a matter of finding them. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) I'm "willing" to hold out for a long time but reality does set in--- I'm already stretching things here & don't know how much longer I can go like this. I would LOVE to find him a home where he is either a single cat or with 1 or 2 other FELV+--I'm just not having any luck... My biggest problem on transport is that I don't know how much he can take... Remember, he just came in off a long time on the street & though I really think he had been 'dumped' there, its still all very new to him. He is beginning to be less frightened but still it is stressful on him... I know that 'special' home is out there--I just don't know where else to look for it... > << I will be looking at a shelter in Long Island, Angel's > Gate, that might have openings soon... I know I'm naive, but I know Big Boy [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) << Remember, he just came in off a long time on the street & though I really think he had been 'dumped' there, its still all very new to him. He is beginning to be less frightened but still it is stressful on him... I know that 'special' home is out there--I just don't know where else to look for it... >> Here's one thing I found: <A HREF="http://www.petrescuenet.net/forever.html">Pets Needing Forever Homes</A> I don't know, I just am doing Google searches. Here's a shelter in NJ. Maybe they could help you find a solution. The man who started the shelter, Jonathan, used to be a regular contributor to this ng. I think he's just too busy now to post anymore but his shelter sounds wonderful and he has special needs kitties there. Maybe he can give you ideas even if he can't directly help you. Here's his shelter: <A HREF="http://www.tabbysplace.org/">Tabby's Place</A> I guess you just have to keep getting the word out as much as possible and network, network, network. How long would it be before you could get Big Boy into the place you mentioned...Angel's Gate? That would be nice since it's close by, maybe you could visit once in awhile. Offer them a handsome donation. I'll give a little for his donation, too, if you can place him in a nice shelter. You don't have any catless friends who feel the need to have a kitty? Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) Jan 2004: > You don't have any catless friends who feel the need to have a kitty? Yes Chris! And just because he tested positive, doesn't mean he is going to get sick any time soon. As I've posted, Shadow has no illness from FeLV so far, and if he does, I would treat the symptoms. It is all a matter of keeping them healthy with nutrition and Interferon if called for (very cheap!). These are all things to tell a perspective forever home. TBH, when and if the time comes that Shadow gets sick, I am already prepared to let him go. That doesn't mean that a minor illness is going to mean death, it is complicated at times and I can't say what I really mean by my message very well. I guess with Shadow, he's been with me so long that I can read things from him like if he wants to fight it, and he's fought some battles. Gosh, if I think about this much more, I'm going to babble on more. I just mean that FeLV doesn't mean it is a death sentence.  SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II I started feeding this small colony quite by accident (don't we all!) a couple of years ago by just helping someone from local rescue group who had been feeding them since they were kittens. They had picked up all but 4-5 of them... Well, I ended up just taking over though I did use them to spay/neuter & for shots. Unfortunately, I undertood they were giving FELV vaccine but now I realize that they didn't because I understand its a 2 shot series over a month period. I wish I had known that then--I would have made sure they got it. Anyway of the few cats, 1 disappeared, 1 (the 'mother hen' died of cancer last summer), 1 I placed, a kitten who 'showed up' (dumped?) last fall I fostered for local humane society & he was adopted in 4 days. Big Boy was the last of the group. I've kind of used up catless friends... > Jan 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Gosh, if I think about this much more, I'm going to babble on more. I just > mean that FeLV doesn't mean it is a death sentence. Thanks for suggestions-I listed him at Petfinder, Craig's list, bemikities; also contacted pretty much all shelters in area (If I remember right Tabby's place is either closed or full or no longer taking FELV+); Angel's Gate is in the processing of renovating another room (or small building?) & it will be a couple of weeks. I do plan on going to see the place.... > << Remember, he just > came in off a long time on the street & though I really think he had been [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) << (If I remember right Tabby's place is either closed or full or no longer taking FELV+); >> I'm pretty sure they're not closed as I just got his newsletter last week but, you're right, he certainly could be full and I did see FIV+ cats on his site but no FeLV. But maybe he'd have some ideas. You could tell him you heard about him on this ng. He'll know what you mean. Maybe he has some contacts. What about Phil Pass' shelter? maxshouse.com (or org). Does he take FeLV+ or know people who do? Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) Will check both out.... > << (If I remember right Tabby's > place is either closed or full or no longer taking FELV+); >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) Right - Tabby's Place is pretty new, but may be full. (I thought it had a special FeLV+ area, but haven't checked the site in quite a while, so may have the illnesses mixed up.) But even so, Jonathan seems to be a really nice guy & may well have other ideas. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > << (If I remember right Tabby's > place is either closed or full or no longer taking FELV+); >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) > What about Phil Pass' shelter? maxshouse.com (or org). Does he take FeLV+ or > know people who do? > > Candace > (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) Our FeLV and FIV caretakers are already maxed out and I've had major problems and conflicts with building the separate FeLV/FIV wing. So I don't have the facilities to take in any more FeLVs/FIVs for at least 6 mos - to a year. I may need to make it a separate entity. An FeLV and FIV sanctuary has been my dream project for years. I've worked very hard to make it a reality -- I never imagined it would take more than just money to make happen. But it *will* happen. Thanks for thinking of us. Phil Oh, yeah - Tabby's Place, which Jonathan Rosenberg founded - good idea! Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > << Remember, he just > came in off a long time on the street & though I really think he had been [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) 23 Jan 2004: > As long as you're willing to hold out until you find something, I'm > sure it will all work out in the end and, fi you find a home that's > not close to you, I'm sure we would all chip in to get him there. I will. > Maybe an actual home somewhere would be the best? There are people > who have all FeLV+ cats in their home, it's just a matter of finding > them. Yes there are. If I didn't have two that are negative, I wouldn't think twice and I'm on the east coast, too. Although I worry about my two that aren't sick, I do what I can to try to keep them disease free. It's all up to the powers that be now. FWIW, my positive kitty hasn't shown any signs from FeLV after a year and a half since contracting it. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II << Yes there are. If I didn't have two that are negative, I wouldn't think twice and I'm on the east coast, too. Although I worry about my two that aren't sick, I do what I can to try to keep them disease free. It's all up to the powers that be now. FWIW, my positive kitty hasn't shown any signs from FeLV after a year and a half since contracting it. SignatureCheryl >> Well, I was going to suggest all that to Chris, that she could get her existing kitties vaccinations and take some precautions but I don't know if I would personally do that myself. You're in a different situation, where your own existing cat contracted FeLV through no fault of his or your own, and I would certainly do what you're doing under those circumstances but knowingly bringing a new FeLV+ cat in to live with my own might be a different story. I guess it would depend on how attached I had gotten to him/her before finding out he was FeLV+ but I suppose it would be best to place Big Boy elsewhere, if possible. What is the rate of effectiveness for the vaccines when the cats are in contact with a FeLV+ cat on a daily basis? I have heard from 70-85 percent. Pretty good odds but, then again, she is in a different situation than you. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) 23 Jan 2004: > Well, I was going to suggest all that to Chris, that she could get her > existing kitties vaccinations and take some precautions but I don't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > from 70-85 percent. Pretty good odds but, then again, she is in a > different situation than you. Candace, I meant I am doing for my two negative cats what I can do, not that I would knowingly bring in a positive cat after the fact. Yes, it is a different situation and I mainly meant that I wouldn't think twice about adopting Big Boy to be a companion to Shadow if I didn't have the negative cats. Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't realize it wasn't clear. ' I think the effectiveness of the vaccine is only 65-75% so not great, but better than nothing. I think I'm more concerned about the possibility of vaccine-related sarcomas. They did them on the hind thighs for safety, but Bonnie's was done through the bars of a cage for both the first shot and the booster since she was still very feral then. I worry about where they "got" her. SignatureCheryl Trapped like rats. In a chia-pet. MIB II << Yes, it is a different situation and I mainly meant that I wouldn't think twice about adopting Big Boy to be a companion to Shadow if I didn't have the negative cats. Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't realize it wasn't clear. ' >> It was clear, Cheryl. I was just saying that I had even wondered on my own if Chris might just take Big Boy in and minimize the risks but that it wouldn't be something I could recommend, in all honesty, because I wouldn't really want to do it myself. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you were recommending that in any way. Sorry for the confusion. I've always wished I had a little greenhouse or studio or some sort of extra little building on my property so that I could have cats in there that I didn't want mingling with mine in the house for whatever reason...mainly something like this. Just so that if a situation like this ever arose, I could put up a cat indefinitely. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) My 4 are all strays who 'found' me-1 was brought in intentionally, 1 was found as a kitten in the wall of an apt my parents were renting at the time (flew her from AZ to NY), 1 was found as a kitten stuck in the wheel well of of one of my neighbor's car, & 1 was a 3 month old who also just showed up (dumped?) where I fed the big guys... I researched eff of vaccine & its too risky for them.... > << Yes there are. If I didn't have two that are negative, I wouldn't think > twice and I'm on the east coast, too. Although I worry about my two that > aren't sick, I do what I can to try to keep them disease free. It's all up > to the powers that be now. FWIW, my positive kitty hasn't shown any signs > from FeLV after a year and a half since contracting it. |
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