Subject: Starry's Scary Night - Re: collie frightend of noises
Date: 2003-01-05 22:19:17 PST

HOWEDY roo,

"roo" <roo@kanga.net> wrote in message
news:avatis$fgj$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

Cites, please? You're a liar. You blame the dog
cause YOU ain't got no METHOD. A dog is a dog.

Because they got a lot of THUGS there, so it appears...

IRRELEVANT. MISHANDLING causes fear of loud noises,
NOT LOUD NOISES.

It's fashionable to LIE to our readers and get
their DOG DEAD for them, roo. REMEMBER
LYING to Misty?

Get to the point so The Puppy Wizard can apply
his CONSTRUCTIVE approach...

Enjoy. That's not the problem...

NO. That REINFORCES the FEAR. You'll see
HOWE COME if you read the report below...

BWWWHAHAHAHAAAA!!! No, you're pathetic.
Giving the dog a hide out reinforce fear, not "regains
their composure." The go inside the box and retreat
into their TERROR.

The Puppy Wizard's students are instructed to
GET RID OF THE CRATE and disavail the dog
of any hiding places so WE can FACE and
overcome her fears. THAT will increase
confidence in ALL AREAS OF BEHAVIOR.

They're very sensitive to lying dog abuing Thug choking them.

MALARKEY. Take it ELSEWHERE. You're doubltalkin us.

You need to "recover and recharge." That's IDIOCY.

Naaah. That'd be akin to the crate, in a sense.
Your dogs have problems because YOU are an abuser.

No doubt so long as he's outta arms reach so you can't
chin chuck him.

Sorry. ONE HOUR to CURE fear of thunder, if we set
it up RIGHT. Using that crate, there NEVER CAN BE
rehabilitation, because EVERY TIME the dog returns
to the crate, he REVISITS his BOOGEYMEN...

You're terribly misleading our OP roo...

A dog is a dog. What YOU see as "eagerness" to
work is the dog's ANXIETY about gettin CHOKED.

Giving a substitute behavior leaves the original behavior INTACT>
There's NO TRAINING THERE. The anxiety will return as soon
as he is not GIVEN something else to do. We cannot HIDE
from our fears as YOU HIDE behind your LIES and CONFUSION.

YOUR DOGS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AND ALWAYS
WILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM CUS YOU GOT NO METHOD.

IDIOT. Have you CURED this phobia? NO!

You got BUNK! NOTHIN.

IN THAT EVENT, you'd be REINFORCING the behavior.

I wouldn't bet on it. Whenever I have a doubt about a
behavior problem I always like to ask The Puppy Wizard
"Woul YOU BET YOUR LIFE this is gonna work?"

And THEN I make the descision to TRY it... cause if
it DON'T WORK, you've LOUSED UP the OPPORTUNITY.

Less likely? HOWE would that compare to 100%
NEAR INSTANTLY EFFECTIVE, as The Puppy Wizards
100% nearly instantly successful FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual students REPORT RIGHT HERE.

NO. Forced control IS the MISHANDLING which CAUSED
YOUR DOGS to FEAR NOISE... ALL dog behavior problems
are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Outta FEAR.

BRILLIANT!

Forcing control will REINFORCE the PROBLEM when you
are NOT THERE to FORCE CONTROL. Perhaps that's
HOWE COME you can't EXTINGUISH the FEAR.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!

O.K., Let me get this straight. You give him a treat,
to FORGET the bang, but the TREATS: "which he
ignores when he is frightened.. "

Is that correct??? See roo? This is the CONSTRUCTIVE APPROACH.

BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

The Puppy Wizard lives in The T Storm Capital of the US.
Curing fear of thunder takes about an hour if you know HOWE.

Yeah. Do tell? Your dogs are OUT OF CONTROL.
They do not come and they fight amongst each
other and a couple are FEAR AGGRESSIVE to kids
and the VETERINARIAN. That is ALL due to your
ABUSE. Your a proven liar and dog abuser.

You mean focused on the treat, not "YOU."

That will drive the panic deep inside. We do not treat
or force control because they REINFORCE the behavior.

Could be, so long as there's no physical contact including
treats...

Naaah. Has that worked for your dogs? NO.

Lots of things MAY help. You got sumpthin that WORKS?

Curious he don't TRUST YOU... NOT.

Hun? You been drinkin again, roo? You're screwy.

Ugaaaa..

Now you're cookin with GAS!!! But it ain't likely to WORK..
COULD  be a lotta FUN, HOWEever..

This is insane. I can't believe I'm sittin here
rebuttin this kind of horseshit. Where in the heel
is freakin Steve Boyer and Ron Hardin or even
lyingdogDUMMY ONLY so's we can have an
INTELLIGENT yet WRONG discussion???

You got NUTHIN to add... you're blowin smoke up our arses
again like you do best, roo...

GOOD LUCK!

Now you're gookin with gas. You get that outta
your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual???

Pervert. Oh, I almost fogot, you're  a britt,
they're notorious for their perverts over there..

Yeah, he's had fear of loud noises since early on, still does, always will.

THAT'S YOU'RE SUCCES!

oH PLEASE!

'bang'.

o.k. Hey??? What kinda wunduful tidbit?? I'm gettin the munchies.

Yeah... I think it's over RIGHT NOW.

That's the ONLY REMEDY YOU GOT!!! BWEHWEHAJAAJAJAJAJAJAAAA!!!

Naaa, you GOT the UK down pat, you're GUESSIN about
the behavor remedy. Now run along, you're usurpin the
PUPORSE of this forum.

The OP was lookin for REMEDIES, not HOWE TO GET
THE PROBLEMS YOU GOT!!!

Yeah? I got a other story for you ROO. Perhaps you'll
be kindly enough to tell our op what your ISSUES are
with the FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual?

INDEED? LUCK is for SUCKERS.

HOWE many of your dogs have fear of loud noise???

Dogs do not fear loud noises unless they're MISHANDLE.

CURING dogs of fear of loud noises takes
about one hour, maybe less, IF you know HOWE.

You know NUTHIN. YOU got Misty's dog Peaches
DEAD on her by LYING and telling her MY FREE
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual is
DANGEROUS and INEFFECTIVE and The
Puppy Wizard is a fraud and a liar...

Now you got to go where people won't think
you're one of us... Adieu. The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW:-)

Subject: letter about crate
Starrey's Scary Night

   Anyone reading this letter is familiar with my white
shepherd Starr and her problems with fear and anxiety.
Starr has made a lot of progress since my last letter
and continues to make progress almost daily.

   For a while Starr was going through a transition
period where she was expecting me to go back to the old
ways of training and discipline. She would refuse to
perform the commands right and just not want to work.

With a ton of self-control I kept the exercises simple
during this time, spending most of our training session
doing the "hot and cold exercise."

    Starr soon bounced out of her unsure sliding-back-
and-forth stage and is stable now. The reason for this
letter is to talk about crates and the emotional state
they can put a dog in.

   Only after I dealt with the crate situation I'll be
explaining was Starr able to make real progress. After
that the back sliding mentioned above was only a matter
of time, patients and being consistent.

    First let me just say that I'm not saying that you
shouldn't use a crate. Only that you make sure to use
it right for the emotional state of your dog.

    Ever since Starr was a pup whenever I left her alone
I put her in her crate. If we had company Starr went in
her crate because she was not friendly and would bark and
hide. Nights she also spent in her crate which seemed like
a retreat to her, a comfort zone. But that false sense of
security made the world outside her crate seem all the
more scary.

    Starr was unintentionally "taught" that whenever
something was unusual in the house that she was to go to
her "safe place" and then everything would be all right.

    The problem became evident when we got Starr home
afterher training in FL. Starr was so much more confident
in herself. But her fear was triggered by all her past
feelings associated with her familiar surroundings.

Mr. Howe told me to expect Starr might back-slide and
to simply keep working her until she came around.

    I worked with my dog but at night I put her in her
crate. The next morning all the work I had been through
the day before, and whatever progress she had made seemed
to have disappeared.

    I spoke to Mr. Howe about what was going on and he
explained that the false sense of security Starr got from
the crate was making her fear the outside world.  When she
got in the crate she felt safe, after all that was where
I put her whenever something was unstable [if I left, company
etc..] When she came out she was leaving behind that security.

    At first I was going to try to recondition her to being
in the crate but I was so afraid of all the training and
confidence she got in FL being lost that I decided to just
stop using the crate. So I left her in my bed room instead.

    She was not comfortable with this at first. It seemed
like she felt she didn't know where she belonged and that
made her anxious. But using the "surrogate toy" technique
and sound distraction and praise cured her of this anxiety
in less then a half hour.

    Now Starr is comfortable and content to hang out alone
in my room. She's not emotionally confined to just my bed
or to her doggy bed and she is not at all destructive. I
am lucky that Starr's separation anxiety was never expressed
in messing or chewing, though once she took my violin shoulder
rest from my closet and kept it with her on my bed. She did,
however tip over my waste basket twice. Both times I addressed
the expression as it says in Jerry's manual and that's no
longer a problem.

                    Crystal Arcidy

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