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Wendy - 23 Jan 2004 14:14 GMT
My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
open at all. Her belly heaves but like I said she just lays there and
doesn't get up and assume the normal I'm-gonna-puke position. She doesn't
even seem particularly distressed when this happens. She does this maybe
once every one-two weeks. I'm thinking maybe she's got a hairball she's
trying to deal with and have been giving her hairball remedy. Boots has done
this once or twice but as he likes to groom Isabelle, he might be dealing
with the hair thing too. Both are fine other than this (eating and
eliminating normally). I've never had a cat with a hairball problem so I'm
not sure if I'm off target here or not. Any opinions?

With long haired cats should they receive hairball remedy on a regular
schedule as a preventative measure. If so how often?

Wendy
Gail - 23 Jan 2004 14:34 GMT
They should be combed or brushed daily and use a hairball rememdy as
prescribed on the product (ie. I use Laxatone).
Gail
> My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
> like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
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>
> Wendy
kaeli - 23 Jan 2004 16:49 GMT
> They should be combed or brushed daily and use a hairball rememdy as
> prescribed on the product (ie. I use Laxatone).
> Gail

IME - YMMV
My Mom's cat got more hairballs when he was brushed daily. We went to
twice a week and the problems went away. Seems the daily brushing was
creating too much loose hair and he was shedding more and ingesting
more. He's a DMH.

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kaeli - 23 Jan 2004 16:53 GMT
> My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
> like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
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> eliminating normally). I've never had a cat with a hairball problem so I'm
> not sure if I'm off target here or not. Any opinions?

The only cats I had who had hairballs always hacked with open mouths, so
I can't say for sure. Has she had a checkup recently?

> With long haired cats should they receive hairball remedy on a regular
> schedule as a preventative measure. If so how often?

Well, my kids get it only if they hack (DSH), but Ma's cat (DMH) gets a
half teaspoon of olive oil in his food once or twice a week and gets
brushed (well, combed) once or twice a week and his hairballs have gone
away. He hates the hairball remedies, so that's why he's getting the
oil.
Too much of either the remedy or the oil makes loose feces, which can in
some cases (chronic loose stool) lead to anal gland problems, so don't
overdo either one.

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m. L. Briggs - 23 Jan 2004 17:29 GMT
>My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
>like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
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>
>Wendy

Hiccups?  My cat does this on occasion.
kaeli - 23 Jan 2004 19:16 GMT
> >Wendy
> >
> Hiccups?  My cat does this on occasion.

Oh, gosh, I never even thought of that. Sounds just like it, too.

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Wendy - 23 Jan 2004 19:33 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:14:01 -0500, "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com>
wrote:

>My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
>like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Wendy

Hiccups?  My cat does this on occasion.

Indigestion maybe? or hiccups. She does scarf down her food like she'll
never eat again. I'll have to notice when this happens relative to her
eating or doing anything that might cause hiccups.

I do comb her periodically (don't get a whole lot of hair) and will keep
giving her the hairball stuff from time to time. She loves that stuff! She
loves eating!
m. L. Briggs - 23 Jan 2004 20:02 GMT
>>My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
>>like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>
>Hiccups?  My cat does this on occasion.

PS:  One evening,not too long ago, TuTu and I had hiccups at the same
time.
PawsForThought - 23 Jan 2004 23:17 GMT
>From: m. L. Briggs mlbriggs@nospam.net

>PS:  One evening,not too long ago, TuTu and I had hiccups at the same
>time.

LOL, now that's funny!
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Mary - 23 Jan 2004 18:20 GMT
> My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
> like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
> open at all.

This sounds like asthma. Heartworms also present this way. Maybe
hairballs, maybe not. She needs a vet.
Wendy - 23 Jan 2004 19:29 GMT
> My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It
sounds
> like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her
mouth
> open at all.

This sounds like asthma. Heartworms also present this way. Maybe
hairballs, maybe not. She needs a vet.

She was thoroughly checked by the vet before Christmas and hasn't been
anywhere but here since. For that matter so was Boots. I've seen asthma and
this isn't it.
Mary - 24 Jan 2004 00:20 GMT
> > My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It
> sounds
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> anywhere but here since. For that matter so was Boots. I've seen asthma and
> this isn't it.

Good! Maybe it is just hiccups. You're a very observant mom.
Yngver - 26 Jan 2004 15:42 GMT
>She was thoroughly checked by the vet before Christmas and hasn't been
>anywhere but here since. For that matter so was Boots. I've seen asthma and
>this isn't it.

We have an asthmatic cat and I've never seen her not get up--or at least
partially sit up--when she starts to cough. I agree, if she doesn't change her
posture but remains lying down, it sounds like hiccups. Hiccups, however, don't
sound like coughing or gagging--our cats barely make a sound at all when they
hiccup, just their sides heave and you might hear a little "erp". Also, they
don't end with a final big honk to clear the throat, the way asthmatic coughing
often does.
Wendy - 26 Jan 2004 16:19 GMT
>She was thoroughly checked by the vet before Christmas and hasn't been
>anywhere but here since. For that matter so was Boots. I've seen asthma and
>this isn't it.

We have an asthmatic cat and I've never seen her not get up--or at least
partially sit up--when she starts to cough. I agree, if she doesn't change
her
posture but remains lying down, it sounds like hiccups. Hiccups, however,
don't
sound like coughing or gagging--our cats barely make a sound at all when
they
hiccup, just their sides heave and you might hear a little "erp". Also, they
don't end with a final big honk to clear the throat, the way asthmatic
coughing
often does.

It doesn't sound like gagging. The sound is that stomach sloshing sound when
they are getting ready to barf.  And when she's done if she does anything
(and she doesn't always) she swallows. Guess that's what got me thinking
hair ball.

Boots has to go to the vet for shots and neutering so I'll ask the vet about
it then. If he thinks it's something I'll take her in. Watch I'll spend a
ton of money on hiccups.
Yngver - 26 Jan 2004 22:59 GMT
>We have an asthmatic cat and I've never seen her not get up--or at least
>partially sit up--when she starts to cough. I agree, if she doesn't change
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>(and she doesn't always) she swallows. Guess that's what got me thinking
>hair ball.

Well, our asthmatic cat also swallows several times after a coughing
bout--swallowing the phlegm she loosened--so I don't think that part rules out
coughing.

>Boots has to go to the vet for shots and neutering so I'll ask the vet about
>it then. If he thinks it's something I'll take her in. Watch I'll spend a
>ton of money on hiccups.

He can probably tell a lot just by listening to her breathing and lungs. If he
thinks she's coughing, he might also want to do chest x-ray.

I know what you mean, though. We just recently spent $150 on one of our cats to
find out that she was in perfect health and probably didn't pee while we were
watching her because it was making her nervous. We were sure she had a UTI. But
I guess it's better to know that nothing is wrong.
PawsForThought - 23 Jan 2004 23:18 GMT
>From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com

>This sounds like asthma. Heartworms also present this way. Maybe
>hairballs, maybe not. She needs a vet.

That's exactly what I was thinking, Mary.  Asthma often looks like the cat is
trying to bring up a hairball.  I would definitely get her checked out by a
vet.

Lauren
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Mary - 24 Jan 2004 00:27 GMT
> >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com
>
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> trying to bring up a hairball.  I would definitely get her checked out by a
> vet.

Luckily, Wendy says this is not it. I'm glad it isn't. Cheeks doesn't
always have her mouth open when she heaves. As an aside, I was really
pleased when the vet I took her to about her limping last week said,
after listening to her chest, "her lungs are amazingly clear for an
asthmatic cat." Yay! (Not that I love the little creature or
anything.) She is still getting steroids only when needed.
PawsForThought - 24 Jan 2004 01:08 GMT
>From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com

>> >From: "Mary" rosefan@email.com
>>
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>asthmatic cat." Yay! (Not that I love the little creature or
>anything.) She is still getting steroids only when needed.

That's good to hear, Mary :)

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Mary - 24 Jan 2004 03:26 GMT
> That's good to hear, Mary :)

Yes! I can't wait, as soon as I can get a digital camera, Cheeks will
be the star
of alt.binaries.pictures.animals! But you know, it's amazing. She
looks just like a regular gray tabby unless you know her really well.
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jamie - 24 Jan 2004 20:41 GMT
> My long hair 1.5 year old, Isabelle, is doing something strange. It sounds
> like she's going to barf but she is laying down and doesn't have her mouth
> open at all. Her belly heaves but like I said she just lays there and
> doesn't get up and assume the normal I'm-gonna-puke position. She doesn't

If it sounds something like wheezing when she does it, she is coughing.
Sometimes cats cough until they throw up a little, so sometimes it's
confused with bringing up a hairball.  

If it's coughing she may have asthma/allergies or a respiratory parasite,
so you'll want to bring her to the vet and have her checked out.

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