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Follow-up question about canned cat food

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Jerold Pearson - 25 Jul 2003 02:27 GMT
Are there any advantages to canned food over dry food other than the extra
water?  (Because I can easily add water to the dry food I feed my guys.)  
Thanks.

JP
PawsForThought - 25 Jul 2003 04:16 GMT
>From: Jerold Pearson jpearson@stanford.edu

>Are there any advantages to canned food over dry food other than the extra
>water?  (Because I can easily add water to the dry food I feed my guys.)  

Canned food has less grains and is healthier for your cat.  Here's a good
article that you might find helpful:

http://rocquoone.com/diet_and_health.htm

Lauren

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wombn - 25 Jul 2003 12:53 GMT
>>From: Jerold Pearson jpearson@stanford.edu
>
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>
>http://rocquoone.com/diet_and_health.htm

what about their teeth?  I'm assuming that wild cats' teeth are
cleaned when they chew on bones, right?  And at least some dry food
could help with that?

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Arjun Ray - 25 Jul 2003 13:16 GMT
| what about their teeth?  I'm assuming that wild cats' teeth are cleaned
| when they chew on bones, right?

No.  The little known fact is that cats can't chew.  Their dentition is
optimized for shearing flesh, and the anatomy is such that they can't
move their jaws side to side against each other (necessary for chewing),
only up and down like scissors.

http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

| And at least some dry food could help with that?

No.  The crunching is just the instinctive shearing action of biting
into food.  The kibble goes down the gullet in pieces, not crumbs.  The
received wisdom is that absolutely fresh raw meat is best for teeth and
gum health.  No surprise, there.
Phil P. - 26 Jul 2003 05:13 GMT
> | what about their teeth?  I'm assuming that wild cats' teeth are cleaned
> | when they chew on bones, right?
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>
>  http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

Well saif. I couldn't have explained it better myself... ;)

Here's why cat's can't chew as in mastication:

http://maxshouse.com/anatomy/Dentary/Mandible-right-medial_view.jpg

Notice that the condyloid processes in cats are bar-shaped (like a door
hinge) - which allows them to hold struggling prey like a clamp - but the
shape also reduces rotary and lateral grinding movements. The condyloid
process  humans is more ovate which allows rotary motion.  Humans rarely
need to subdue struggling prey!

Phil.
wombn - 26 Jul 2003 07:49 GMT
>> | what about their teeth?  I'm assuming that wild cats' teeth are cleaned
>> | when they chew on bones, right?
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>Phil.

wow, both very interesting replies.  Thank you!

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Phil P. - 26 Jul 2003 05:15 GMT
> what about their teeth?  I'm assuming that wild cats' teeth are
> cleaned when they chew on bones, right?  And at least some dry food
> could help with that?

Regular dry food provides very little dental benefit in cats since they
don't actually chew in the sense of true mastication.  For a dry food to
provide a significant dental benefit the nuggets must be large enough for
the cat to sink her teeth into but not brittle so they don't shatter.
There are only two feline dental diets that actually provide some dental
benefit -

Phil
MGW - 26 Jul 2003 05:23 GMT
>Regular dry food provides very little dental benefit in cats since they
>don't actually chew in the sense of true mastication.  For a dry food to
>provide a significant dental benefit the nuggets must be large enough for
>the cat to sink her teeth into but not brittle so they don't shatter.
>There are only two feline dental diets that actually provide some dental
>benefit -

Which are they?
Jon C - 26 Jul 2003 05:32 GMT
> >Regular dry food provides very little dental benefit in cats since they
> >don't actually chew in the sense of true mastication.  For a dry food to
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>
> Which are they?

I bet one is SD Oral Care..
Phil P. - 28 Jul 2003 23:57 GMT
> >Regular dry food provides very little dental benefit in cats since they
> >don't actually chew in the sense of true mastication.  For a dry food to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Which are they?

Friskies Dental Diet Feline and Hills t/d.

I should have included that in my previous post -- it must be the jet
lag.... and being knee deep in kittens...

Phil
MGW - 29 Jul 2003 00:26 GMT
>> >There are only two feline dental diets that actually provide some dental
>> >benefit -
>>
>> Which are they?
>
>Friskies Dental Diet Feline and Hills t/d.

So the Science Diet Oral Care doesn't provide dental benefit, even
though it's made by Hills?
GAUBSTER2 - 29 Jul 2003 05:39 GMT
>>> >There are only two feline dental diets that actually provide some dental
>>> >benefit -
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>So the Science Diet Oral Care doesn't provide dental benefit, even
>though it's made by Hills?

Yes, Oral Care is clinically proven to clean teeth and freshen breath (it is
similiar in concept to t/d although Oral Care isn't effective for periodontal
disease or gingivitis.)
Edward - 29 Jul 2003 17:07 GMT
> >So the Science Diet Oral Care doesn't provide dental benefit, even
> >though it's made by Hills?
>
> Yes, Oral Care is clinically proven to clean teeth and freshen breath (it is
> similiar in concept to t/d although Oral Care isn't effective for periodontal
> disease or gingivitis.)

Marketing claims that diets "clean teeth" or "freshen breath" appeal to
consumers, but they are a bit ambiguous from a scientific point of view when
one wishes to compare diets.  References to "dental benefit", or lack
thereof, without specific mention of what that entails can be similarly
vague.  Therefore, it is important to note that the VOHC Seal is granted
only to those diets shown to reduce plaque and calculus accumulation by a
certain amount over a standardized dry diet control.  (Theoretically,
reduction of plaque and calculus accumulation should lead to reduction of
periodontitis and gingivitis, however, measurement of those conditions are
not in the VOHC protocol.)

Cats fed dry diets generally do have less plaque accumulation than those fed
wet food, however, there are currently only three feline diets with the VOHC
Seal:  Hills T/D, Friskies Dental Diet, and Science Diet Oral Care.  This
does not mean that dry diets without the Seal have no dental benefit; it
only means that they have not been shown to reduce plaque and calculus
accumulation by a certain amount over a standardized dry diet control.
Regardless, when primarily concerned about pets' teeth, it almost always
makes much more sense to follow a proper home care regimen and see a
veterinarian for regular oral health evaluations and periodontal treatments.

Edward
Phil P. - 30 Jul 2003 10:34 GMT
> >> >There are only two feline dental diets that actually provide some dental
> >> >benefit -
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> So the Science Diet Oral Care doesn't provide dental benefit, even
> though it's made by Hills?

Oops - I forgot about Oral Care.

I'm not a proponent of dental diets - I don't think the risks offset the
"benefits". Dental diets are higher in fiber - which reduces the energy
density of the diet by displacing protein, fat, and soluble carbohydrate -
which means the cat must eat more food to meet her energy needs and in doing
so, takes in more phosphorus and magnesium.  Also, the cat must be a hefty
drinker and remain well hydrated to avoid impaction of the fiber in the
colon and also to keep urine volume high to reduce the concentration of
potentially calculogenic solutes in the urine.

It takes about 10 seconds to swab a cat's teeth with a Q Tip or a gauze
sponge dipped in normal saline and wrapped around a finger .  IMO, dental
diets -- for cats -- is more a marketing gimmick (because people want them).
Next time you're in a pet store, see how many cat chew toys you see... ;)

Phil.

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