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Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 20:06 GMT I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks Judy F http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28
Laura R. - 18 Jan 2004 20:25 GMT circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 I can't see any pictures listed, Judy. (I can get to the page as I have a Yahoo login, but I don't see any pictures). Do you have, perhaps, a direct link to one of the pictures that I can try?
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Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 20:49 GMT Try this one: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 hope it works! Judy F
> circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Laura Cat Protector - 18 Jan 2004 20:51 GMT All it did was take me to a page to order prints.
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> Try this one: > http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Laura Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 21:01 GMT You have to sign in at the top of the page near wear it says Yahoo Photos. If you're not a member of Yahoo, you'd have to sign up (not too bad a process) and then you could access the pictures. Sorry Judy F
> All it did was take me to a page to order prints. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > > > Laura Cat Protector - 18 Jan 2004 21:44 GMT I looked in there and saw nothing.
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> You have to sign in at the top of the page near wear it says Yahoo Photos. > If you're not a member of Yahoo, you'd have to sign up (not too bad a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > > > > > Laura Cat Protector - 18 Jan 2004 21:45 GMT Ok I see them now. Nice kitties especially the black one.
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> You have to sign in at the top of the page near wear it says Yahoo Photos. > If you're not a member of Yahoo, you'd have to sign up (not too bad a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > > > > > Laura Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 21:55 GMT reminds you of Isis, maybe? Judy f
> Ok I see them now. Nice kitties especially the black one. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Laura Cat Protector - 18 Jan 2004 22:09 GMT A little. But I'd be a bit concerned with that aluminum foil ball though. It would not be good if he ingests it.
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> reminds you of Isis, maybe? > Judy f [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura Laura R. - 19 Jan 2004 00:48 GMT circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:09:58 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said,
> A little. But I'd be a bit concerned with that aluminum foil ball though. It > would not be good if he ingests it. Here we go again. CP, for once, just *don't* pull some half-assed theory out to prove how unbalanced you are. Or are we going to get the speech about how flatbed scanners blind cats and give them cancer again?
Kee-rist.
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Linda E - 20 Jan 2004 00:57 GMT Your cats are gorgeous!!!
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Judy F - 20 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT awwwwwwwwwww thanks :) Judy F
> Your cats are gorgeous!!! > > Linda Karen Chuplis - 18 Jan 2004 21:19 GMT > I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 Wow! What great pictures! Obviously Oscar and Felix are bigtime buds. I LOVE that one of Oscar on his back in the kitty tree tube. What a kill!!! And the shot of Simba's tail is great. The ones by the patio door...well, just a lot of really great shots.
Karen
V?dk?J?ll? - 18 Jan 2004 21:19 GMT || I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any || comments on Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks || Judy F || http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/catstoy28/detail?.dir=/Cats&.dnm=jessie+and+kit tens+6.5mo+deck+door+2.jpg
:O) Aww what were they looking at? :O) Vj
Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 21:31 GMT Birds and squirrels! It's like cat tv out that door!!! Judy F
> || I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any > || comments on Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > || Judy F > || http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/catstoy28/detail?.dir=/Cats&.dnm=jessie+and+kit tens+6.5mo+deck+door+2.jpg
> :O) > > Aww what were they looking at? :O) > Vj V?dk?J?ll? - 18 Jan 2004 23:45 GMT ||| Judy F wrote: ||||| I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any ||||| comments on Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks ||||| Judy F ||||| http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/catstoy28/detail?.dir=/Cats&.dnm=jessie+and+kit tens+6.5mo+deck+door+2.jpg
|||| O) ||| ||| Aww what were they looking at? :O) ||| Vj
|| Birds and squirrels! It's like cat tv out that door!!! || Judy F my lil cat, well fat cat ;o) has just started making those chirrup sounds when he sees birds out of the window, I wonder if he''ll ever kill one? He has presented me with several mice so far
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Laura R. - 18 Jan 2004 21:25 GMT circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 It's hard to say without seeing the cats in "person", or without some other photos, but I don't think they're overweight from what I'm seeing in those pictures. If they were to gain weight, then perhaps, but as they currently appear, I *definitely* wouldn't call them "enormous", as your vet referenced their weights to be.
I think I'd get the opinion of another veterinarian if I were you.
Laura
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Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 21:31 GMT I think you're right! Thanks Judy F
> circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Laura Priscilla Ballou - 18 Jan 2004 21:32 GMT > circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I think I'd get the opinion of another veterinarian if I were you. They didn't look huge to me, either. I'd go by how they feel. Can you feel their ribs? You should be able to get a gentle feel for them when you run your fingers down the side of their chests, but not too clearly. How about their vertebrae? Can you feel them but not clearly articulated?
Especially with Felix's beautiful long fur, it's hard to tell anything by looking alone.
Priscilla
Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 21:54 GMT Thanks for checking them out! I can feel Oscar (black one) and Jessie (grey one), but not Felix (Long Hair) 's ribs! I'm not too worried yet, but if they keep growing at the rate they're going.... Judy F
> > circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Priscilla Karen Chuplis - 18 Jan 2004 23:17 GMT > circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:06:15 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Laura I agree. They look quite normal to me.
GovtLawyer - 18 Jan 2004 21:36 GMT >I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on >Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks >Judy F Your Kitty with all the wild hair is awesome. I think your white cat is overweight. You have a shot of two of your kitties on the top of a cat tree. You gotta take a look at my site and the similar photo I have of Mickey & Daisy.
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Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 21:52 GMT Wow! Your cats are gorgeous! I've never heard of a snowshoe siamese before! They are really amazing! Aren't we lucky to have these guys?:) Judy F
> >I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > >Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://hometown.aol.com/borninthebronx/index.html Laura R. - 19 Jan 2004 00:46 GMT circa 18 Jan 2004 21:36:14 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, GovtLawyer (govtlawyer@aol.com) said,
> I think your white cat is > overweight. Funny, I was going to say that the white one looked a bit heavy to me, too. :-)
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Judy F - 19 Jan 2004 13:54 GMT Sadly, Kimba (the white cat) died 2 years ago of complications of IBD. We adopted him when he was a year old. His family (the shelter told me the husband was crying when he gave him up...) "had" to get rid of him because they were having a baby or something. When we finally got him he was living in the basement of the shelter with the other "unadoptable" cats. He was always very aggressive to non family members (not to us, except when he slept on my pillow and insisted on having his paw over my head or arm- always on top...). He terrorized anyone who he didn't know( one electrician refused to come back) .... and he ate non-stop. All of this, I think was related to that early abandonment of someone he had a strong bond with. I'm sure the stress and overeating contributed to his death. He had an endoscopy, to confirm the disease, and was being treated, but he just went downhill despite all our efforts, stopped eating and eventually died way too young at only 8 years old. He was a wonderful guy, with more personality than most people. He is greatly missed. And, yes, he weighed about 18 pounds and was really overweight :)! Sorry for the length of this post, but Kimba deserved it! Judy F
> circa 18 Jan 2004 21:36:14 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > GovtLawyer (govtlawyer@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Laura Priscilla Ballou - 19 Jan 2004 16:20 GMT > Sadly, Kimba (the white cat) died 2 years ago of complications of IBD. We > adopted him when he was a year old. His family (the shelter told me the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and was really overweight :)! Sorry for the length of this post, but Kimba > deserved it! I'm sorry for your loss. He sounds like a wonderful cat. I wish people would get themselves educated before abandonning companion animals for totally baseless reasons. *sigh*
Priscilla
Judy F - 19 Jan 2004 16:22 GMT At the shelter I just started working at they told me someone brought in a 10 year old dog and said he was too old and they wanted a new one!!!! Sometimes I just lose faith in humans.... Judy F
> > Sadly, Kimba (the white cat) died 2 years ago of complications of IBD. We > > adopted him when he was a year old. His family (the shelter told me the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Priscilla Laura R. - 19 Jan 2004 16:35 GMT circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:22:24 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> At the shelter I just started working at they told me someone brought in a > 10 year old dog and said he was too old and they wanted a new one!!!! > Sometimes I just lose faith in humans.... I hope the shelter refused to adopt to these pigs. And we're supposed to be the "most intellectually evolved" creatures on Earth. <derisive snort> I've never met an animal I didn't like (even my parents' big fat rat bastard snowshoe Siamese basketball who can't decide if he loves me or hates me), but I've met a whole lot of a.shole people.
Laura
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Judy F - 19 Jan 2004 19:57 GMT They did not allow that idiot to adopt another dog although they did take the one he was abandoning (what else could they do?). Judy F
> circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:22:24 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Laura Laura R. - 19 Jan 2004 20:53 GMT circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:57:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> They did not allow that idiot to adopt another dog although they did take > the one he was abandoning (what else could they do?). How sad. The shelter was in a lousy position and did the best thing, IMO. I can't fathom surrendering a pet because it was "too old". Awful.
Laura
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Priscilla Ballou - 19 Jan 2004 17:02 GMT > At the shelter I just started working at they told me someone brought in a > 10 year old dog and said he was too old and they wanted a new one!!!! That is so cruel. :-(
> Sometimes I just lose faith in humans.... It's dispiriting.
Priscilla
Cathy Friedmann - 19 Jan 2004 20:00 GMT > At the shelter I just started working at they told me someone brought in a > 10 year old dog and said he was too old and they wanted a new one!!!! Arghhhhh. I hope they weren't allowed to get a "new one".
> Sometimes I just lose faith in humans.... > Judy F Well, at least some humans.
Cathy
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Laura R. - 19 Jan 2004 16:33 GMT circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:54:57 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> Sadly, Kimba (the white cat) died 2 years ago of complications of IBD. We > adopted him when he was a year old. His family (the shelter told me the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and was really overweight :)! Sorry for the length of this post, but Kimba > deserved it! My Alex (the one who died in August) was left at the humane society at one year of age because his owners were *moving* and apparently never considered taking him along. I was disgusted, but their loss was my huge, wonderful gain. Alex was friendly as all get out, but he was also an aggressive bastid when the mood struck him, so I know exactly what you mean WRT kitties who strike fear into the hearts of humans. ;-) I even had a vet refuse to examine Alex unless Alex was sedated. I didn't sedate Alex, I didn't let the vet examine Alex, and I never went back to that vet.
I believe that once in a while, an animal gets lucky (although it may not seem like luck initially) and is given up by a crappy owner so that s/he gets a better owner instead. Sounds like Kimba was one of those.
Laura
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Judy F - 19 Jan 2004 20:01 GMT Thanks for your kind words , I think they go right back at ya! Funny, when you told the story about Alex and the vet who wanted to sedate him I remembered that Kimba was quite a handful at the vet too! Once he refused to come out of the carrier and they actually had to unscrew the top to get at him. The whole exam was done with him under a blanket, yowling as if the vet was killing him. Everyone stared at us when we walked out of the examining room. heheheheh ;) Judy F
> circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:54:57 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Laura Laura R. - 19 Jan 2004 20:47 GMT circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:01:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said,
> Funny, when > you told the story about Alex and the vet who wanted to sedate him I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was killing him. Everyone stared at us when we walked out of the examining > room. heheheheh ;) Heh. That's how Alex *always* had to be handled. We called it "cat on the half-shell". ;-)
Laura
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Judy F - 19 Jan 2004 21:24 GMT love that description :) Judy F
> circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:01:56 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Judy F (xphile01@catlover.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Laura Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 20 Jan 2004 00:05 GMT > Funny, I was going to say that the white one looked a bit heavy to > me, too. :-) > > Laura I'm convinced that all white cats look chubby, but really aren't. And I'm not just saying this because people say my very white cat is fat. It's really true! You know, the white fur adds 10 pounds to a picture :-).
Off to feed the hungry heifer...oops...cat!
rona (My cat is *not* fat, she's just bulky ;-)!)
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Laura R. - 20 Jan 2004 04:00 GMT circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:05:34 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> I'm convinced that all white cats look chubby, but really aren't. And I'm > not just saying this because people say my very white cat is fat. It's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > rona (My cat is *not* fat, she's just bulky ;-)!) Hmm. If I bleach Oscar, can I use this as an excuse? ;-)
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 21 Jan 2004 00:38 GMT > Hmm. If I bleach Oscar, can I use this as an excuse? ;-) > > Laura Hey! No cheating! A cat must be naturally white in order to be a member of the "I'm not fat, I just look that way" club. We must blackball all other colours. It's a very exclusive club, doncha know :-)!
You could make your own club, but then you'd have to call it something else. How about the "Faux Fat" club?
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Laura R. - 21 Jan 2004 00:52 GMT circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:38:47 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> Hey! No cheating! A cat must be naturally white in order to be a member of > the "I'm not fat, I just look that way" club. We must blackball all other > colours. It's a very exclusive club, doncha know :-)! Well, Oscar is buff...can we call him "dirty white"? ;-)
> You could make your own club, but then you'd have to call it something else. > How about the "Faux Fat" club? If Oscar's in it, it'll have to be the "Fat But Won't Admit It" club.
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 22 Jan 2004 13:04 GMT > Well, Oscar is buff...can we call him "dirty white"? ;-) I'll have to discuss it with Kitty. She's the Grand Pooba (sp?) so she gets the last word in all things.
> If Oscar's in it, it'll have to be the "Fat But Won't Admit It" club. Oh, no! It's probably the "I'm not fat but other people's eyes are big" club. Or the "Who the hell cares if I'm fat, just give me more food" club. I think Kitty really belongs to the latter.
Sometimes I call her "Fatso catso" or "chub chub". She doesn't seem to mind, but she could be harbouring some ill-will towards me and will one day claw me to death and eat my remains. Who knows!
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Laura R. - 23 Jan 2004 00:46 GMT circa Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:04:29 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> > Well, Oscar is buff...can we call him "dirty white"? ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > club. Or the "Who the hell cares if I'm fat, just give me more food" club. > I think Kitty really belongs to the latter. Hmm. I think Oscar must have helped found that one.
> Sometimes I call her "Fatso catso" or "chub chub". She doesn't seem to > mind, but she could be harbouring some ill-will towards me and will one day > claw me to death and eat my remains. Who knows! Oscar gets called "Chubba Wubba" regularly. He takes it as a term of endearment. <G>
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m. L. Briggs - 23 Jan 2004 01:03 GMT >circa Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:04:29 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Laura I sometimes tell TTu she looks like a tug boat.
Judy F - 20 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT They do seem to have thicker more luxurious fur.... Judy F
> > > > Funny, I was going to say that the white one looked a bit heavy to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > rona (My cat is *not* fat, she's just bulky ;-)!) Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 21 Jan 2004 00:46 GMT > They do seem to have thicker more luxurious fur.... > Judy F Now I'm not just saying this, but she really does seem to have thick fur! See how thick her head fur looks? http://community.webshots.com/photo/85325277/94388780pFOMVf She used to shed *a lot* but I changed her dry food (wet food is still the same) and she doesn't shed nearly as much as she used to. Perhaps that also added to her fat look? Or should I say, phat look? :-) My cat's the coolest, doncha know!
So, ya, that's it... Thicker, more luxurious fur!
rona (very sensitive about Kitty's weight :-))
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Laura R. - 21 Jan 2004 02:29 GMT circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:46:15 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> Now I'm not just saying this, but she really does seem to have thick fur! > See how thick her head fur looks? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > rona (very sensitive about Kitty's weight :-)) Heck, I just admit Oscar is chubby. He doesn't pay any attention. ;-)
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Judy F - 21 Jan 2004 14:05 GMT She is gorgeous! What dry food did you switch to? I'm always up for finding something that helps with shedding...:) Judy F
> > They do seem to have thicker more luxurious fur.... > > Judy F [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > rona (very sensitive about Kitty's weight :-)) Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 27 Jan 2004 03:44 GMT > She is gorgeous! What dry food did you switch to? I'm always up for finding > something that helps with shedding...:) > Judy F Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but it's Science Diet Maintenance. Not only has her shedding decreased, but her excrements don't smell much at all (she did go through a transition period where her urine was very stinky, though!). She also seems to have a lot more energy now, but that could be due to a slight weight loss (although she seems even more energetic now that she was when she was at an ideal weight). She has done very well on SD but YMMV. I know other cats have not done so well on it.
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Judy F - 27 Jan 2004 16:47 GMT Funny, I just bought Wellness and Science Diet to see about switching my cats to a "healthier" diet. (They'd prefer to live on Friskies Dental Diet which I understand is like junk food for cats...). I'll let you know how it goes.... Judy F
> > She is gorgeous! What dry food did you switch to? I'm always up for > finding [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > rona Cathy Friedmann - 18 Jan 2004 23:27 GMT They look fine, to me, weight-wise. At least going by these pics. Many of which are awfully cute. :-)
Cathy
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> I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 Judy F - 18 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT Thanks so much for all your comments. I think my vet was just being an alarmist about their weight and I'm just going to keep watching them (no hardship there, they're so funny) and see how they continue to grow! Judy F
> They look fine, to me, weight-wise. At least going by these pics. Many of > which are awfully cute. :-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Judy F > > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 *SooZy* - 19 Jan 2004 14:20 GMT > I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 Difficult to tell by pictures but they look fine to me :-) beautiful cats, lovely shiny coats
CajunPrincess - 19 Jan 2004 16:43 GMT > I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 They are sooo cuteaand they look like they're so happy in each other's company.
No way do they look overweight. Once again, I question the competance of any vet that would label either of them "enormous".
Dennis Carr - 20 Jan 2004 04:28 GMT > I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks > Judy F > http://photos.yahoo.com/catstoy28 "I want to hug them and squeeze them and call them George.... =^^="
...sorry, had to have an abominabubble snowman moment.
Beautiful kids, those.
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Judy F - 20 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT :) thanks Judy F
> > I just uploaded a bunch of pictures of my cats to yahoo. Any comments on > > Felix's and Oscar's weight will be appreciated! Thanks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Beautiful kids, those.
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