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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2004My Cat Has No Will To Eat or Drink and Is Very Weak
Around Christmas my 8 year old persian-tabby cat Amy developed a limp in her rear right leg, we are not sure what caused it but we believe it was from trying to jump on top of a high counter. Along with the limp she developed a certain listlessness. We took her to a vet and he believed it was simply a soft tissue injury causing her some pain, so we asked him to administer a shot of painkiller to see if she felt any better to try to elimate any variables. Under the painkiller most of her limp dissaperared and seemed alert but once it wore off she became listless and began limping again. The day after it wore off we took her to the vet to recieve an xray, this xray gave no results. The vet told us that it is likely a torn ligament and could heal in a few weeks, he gave her another pain killer and prescribed some anti-inflamatory drops to relieve the pain. In the following weeks her appetite has slowly diminished and we have been trying different foods to try and encourage her (including all the old tricks warm food blah blah blah), yesterday morning my mother took Amy to a veterinarian who gave her another shot, prescribed a painkilling medication to bolster the shot's effects and recommended different foods to try. That afternoon Amy ate remarkably well, gobbling down food left and right and we gave her a painkilling pill that night. In the morning she was no longer hungry, in fact she seemed completely disgusted with food. This afternoon Amy is very weak, she barely can climb stairs and I am afraid she won't last very much longer (besides yesterday she barely ate anything on the weekend). Half an hour ago I had force fed her some water through a plastic dropper and I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how I could get some food into her? Or any other suggestions? I am 14 and my cat was the very first friend I had and my best friend, I can't imagine my life without her, please respond. Thank you for reading my post and god bless. Is there an emergency vet in your area? If not, I'd continue with the water to keep her hydrated and take her to the vet in the morning. It could be that the painkillers upset her stomach -- rach "Hipsters - UNITE!" > Around Christmas my 8 year old persian-tabby cat Amy developed a limp in her > rear right leg, we are not sure what caused it but we believe it was from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > and my best friend, I can't imagine my life without her, please respond. > Thank you for reading my post and god bless. Is there an emergency vet in your area? If not, I'd continue with the water to keep her hydrated and take her to the vet in the morning. It could be that the painkillers upset her stomach I had the same thought that it might be the pain killers. My Tiggy didn't do well on the prednosolone for her arthritis but is doing much better on Arnica Montana with no side effects. Her appitite is better than it has been for a long time. The vet can also prescribe something to stimulate the appitite. >any other suggestions? I am 14 and my cat was the very first friend I had >and my best friend, I can't imagine my life without her, please respond. >Thank you for reading my post and god bless. I'd try another vet, as the other poster suggested, an emergency vet. Somehow I get the feeling that she has been misdiagnosed; although, I do not know what is wrong with her. I'm leary of continuing to give her painkillers. > Around Christmas my 8 year old persian-tabby cat Amy developed a limp in her > rear right leg, we are not sure what caused it but we believe it was from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > variables. Under the painkiller most of her limp dissaperared and seemed > alert but once it wore off she became listless and began limping again. <snipping a bit> > This afternoon Amy is very > weak, she barely can climb stairs and I am afraid she won't last very much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and my best friend, I can't imagine my life without her, please respond. > Thank you for reading my post and god bless. First let me say that you are a great young man for looking after your cat so well, and taking the time to search for answers on what could be the matter. There is a high-calorie food called Hill's a/d that you can give Amy. You can mix it with a little bit of warm water to make a soup and feed it to her in a syringe. You also might want to try kitten formula, it comes as a powder in a can. Another good emergency food is baby food. You want the kind that is just meat and broth. This will at least get something into her until you can get her to the vet. When a cat isn't eating, it can become a very dangerous situation. Please get her to the vet as soon as you can! Whether or not it is just a leg injury, the immediate problem of her not eating or drinking needs to be taken care of. She could have something else going on besides a leg injury. Has she been pooping and peeing normally? Think of exactly how she has been acting and write this all down and take it with you to the vet. Does your vet have an emergency service? Call their number, and the message should say what to do for an emergency. Take care, let us know what's happened. Sending purrs your way for Amy.  Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com Don't feed a cat human baby food, especially not a sick cat. One very common ingredient in baby food is onion powder (even the "all meat" varieties): Onions, garlic and other allium vegetables are toxic to many animals, including cats. The toxic ingredient is N-propyl disulfide, which causes Heinz-body hemolytic anemia. http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/Tarigo/ http://www.monkeymaddness.com/articles/onions.html Another good emergency food is baby food. You want the > kind that is just meat and broth. This will at least get something into her > until you can get her to the vet. When a cat isn't eating, it can become a > very dangerous situation. Please get her to the vet as soon as you can! > Whether or not it is just a leg injury, the immediate problem of her not > eating or drinking needs to be taken care of. > SignatureJohn Kimmel gNuOySnPoAiMr@teleport.com I think it will be quiet around here now. So long. >From: guynoir guyspamnoir@filterteleport.com >Don't feed a cat human baby food, especially not a sick cat. One very >common ingredient in baby food is onion powder (even the "all meat" >varieties): Onions, garlic and other allium vegetables are toxic to many >animals, including cats. The toxic ingredient is N-propyl disulfide, >which causes Heinz-body hemolytic anemia. Actually there are brands that do not have onions in them. Baby food has helped in some cats so I would not rule it out as a short term solution to a cat that's not eating.. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > > Around Christmas my 8 year old persian-tabby cat Amy developed a limp in > her [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Take care, let us know what's happened. Sending purrs your way for Amy. I have given her dissolved kitty food in water and she is responding well. She avoids the water but enjoys the sludge that collects at the bottom of the bowl. <snip> > I am 14 and my cat was the very first friend I had > and my best friend, I can't imagine my life without her, please respond. > Thank you for reading my post and god bless. I can't help more than the others have said, but I do want to say I hope everything turns out all right. You're a nice young man for doing all you can for Amy. Purrs and well-wishes from me and the furkids. Signature-- ~kaeli~ If you drink, don't park. Accidents cause people. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > Around Christmas my 8 year old persian-tabby cat Amy developed a limp in her > rear right leg, we are not sure what caused it but we believe it was from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > and my best friend, I can't imagine my life without her, please respond. > Thank you for reading my post and god bless. Did your vet look into the possibility of heart disease? Blood clots to the leg caused by a bad heart can cause pain and limping; and heart disease and lethargy may also be symptoms of heart disease. Here is some info you might want to read so you can decide whether to look into this possibility further: http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#HCM1 The good news is, heart disease can in many cases be controlled with daily meds. Here are some tips on persuading reluctant cats to eat: http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm#persuading_to_eat HTH, good luck Helen Amy is currently taking half a tablet of "Periactin" which is the trade name for Cyproheptadine every morning and night to attempt to stimulate her appetite, I don't know the actualy dosage in mg because I am not at home right now. Has anyone had any experience with this drug causing lethargy? I have seen several references to this occuring. Amy is currently taking half a tablet of "Periactin" which is the trade name for Cyproheptadine every morning and night to attempt to stimulate her appetite, I don't know the actualy dosage in mg because I am not at home right now. Has anyone had any experience with this drug causing lethargy? I have seen several references to this occuring. I had Tigger on this before the holidays. She only received 1/2 pill tho and that got her eating again. A few days later I had to give her the other half. I didn't notice it making her any more lethargic than she already was at the time but she wasn't in great shape so who could tell. W << Amy is currently taking half a tablet of "Periactin" which is the trade name for Cyproheptadine every morning and night to attempt to stimulate her appetite, I don't know the actualy dosage in mg because I am not at home right now. Has anyone had any experience with this drug causing lethargy? I have seen several references to this occuring. >> I give it to my cat, Cory, who has mild CRF and hyperthyroidism once in awhile when he seems to not feel well for a day. It doesn't cause lethary in him, tho. In fact, it makes him sort of "wired." He paces around and can't seem to sleep, he'll lay down for a couple minutes, get up, lay down, get up. I don't like giving it to him because it seems like it makes him uncomfortable but if he doesn't eat for a day, I give it to him because I figure that's worse. It always seems to work and gets him started again. It also makes his little voice hoarse so he meows funny when on it. I hope your little Amy recovers fully. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) We've decided to put her down, were not sure when but it will have to be tomorrow or the following day as Amy is becoming very weak. I don't want her to starve to death or suffer organ failure, so euthanasia is the best course. She has no will to live, I could force feed her for the rest of her life but she is no rag doll cat and was always very willful, I'd feel worse about myself forcing food down her throat while she hisses and growls at me wishing she was dead. Does anyone have any advice for dealing with authorizing the murder of your own cat? I don't think I can take this. Now that I think about it, putting her to sleep is for more than just the pain. It would be quite loving to put her to sleep as Amy doesn't sleep much anymore (I assume she is sleeping some time), instead she lays around on her side with her eyes open staring blankly. > Now that I think about it, putting her to sleep is for more than just > the pain. It would be quite loving to put her to sleep as Amy doesn't > sleep much anymore (I assume she is sleeping some time), instead she > lays around on her side with her eyes open staring blankly. Ian, this is a very troubling time. I'm so sorry that Amy does not seem to be responding to treatment. If she is truly suffering and finding no comfort, it is an act of love to give her peace. I cannot tell from your posts what the progression has been. I wish she could see a feline specialist at least once, but again, from the posts I've read, I'm not sure of the history. I just want you to know that we have all been here and it is not easy but sometimes for the best. Karen >Ian, this is a very troubling time. I'm so sorry that Amy does not seem to >be responding to treatment. If she is truly suffering and finding no [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Karen I just wanted to echo Karen's sentiments. I realize you are 14 and the decisions being made probably aren't entirely yours but it is obvious you dearly love Amy. If you would like information on what to expect regarding euthanasia, or just want to vent, please feel free to e-mail me.. I am so sorry about Amy. Sherry I understand where you're coming from... when I was 22, I had to put down a cat I'd had since I was 6. It was hard, painful and more difficult that people in general don't understand that animals are part of the family and deserve to be grieved for. You have us, and you have the time you spent with Amy. When you're ready, I am sure another cat will benefit greatly from a home like yours. -- rach "Hipsters - UNITE!" > Now that I think about it, putting her to sleep is for more than just > the pain. It would be quite loving to put her to sleep as Amy doesn't > sleep much anymore (I assume she is sleeping some time), instead she > lays around on her side with her eyes open staring blankly. Ian, I am so sorry you are facing this decision..... Please know there are thoughts and prayers coming your way. Linda > Now that I think about it, putting her to sleep is for more than just > the pain. It would be quite loving to put her to sleep as Amy doesn't > sleep much anymore (I assume she is sleeping some time), instead she > lays around on her side with her eyes open staring blankly. > Now that I think about it, putting her to sleep is for more than just > the pain. It would be quite loving to put her to sleep as Amy doesn't > sleep much anymore (I assume she is sleeping some time), instead she > lays around on her side with her eyes open staring blankly. Ian, I'm so sorry. Putting Amy to sleep is truly the compassionate thing to do if she's suffering. You obviously love her very much, don't feel like you're betraying her. I'm so sorry. Karen M. So sorry things have gone downhill for Amy. It's never easy parting with one of our babies. I'm sure everyone handles this in their own way and there is no right or wrong way to do it. I have found for me that I don't feel as lousy about it if I'm there with them when they go. I just don't think anyone should have to die alone. We've decided to put her down, were not sure when but it will have to be tomorrow or the following day as Amy is becoming very weak. I don't want her to starve to death or suffer organ failure, so euthanasia is the best course. She has no will to live, I could force feed her for the rest of her life but she is no rag doll cat and was always very willful, I'd feel worse about myself forcing food down her throat while she hisses and growls at me wishing she was dead. Does anyone have any advice for dealing with authorizing the murder of your own cat? I don't think I can take this. circa Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:52:28 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Wendy (wendypart@nospam.com) said, > I have > found for me that I don't feel as lousy about it if I'm there with them when > they go. I just don't think anyone should have to die alone. Amen. When I had Alex euthanized in August, I was there with him the whole time, and I felt *so* much better knowing that he died with me holding him and stroking him and telling him that it was okay to let go. The greatest kindness that we can do for our pets is to help them to leave when it is time, rather than making them suffer until they die "naturally", IMO. Laura >Amen. When I had Alex euthanized in August, I was there with him the >whole time, and I felt *so* much better knowing that he died with me [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Laura It *is* a kindess. When we had our beloved cat euthanized, the vet stroked him, kissed him on the head and said, "It's a shame we can't do this for people." I wholeheartedly agree. Sherry circa 17 Jan 2004 20:10:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > >Amen. When I had Alex euthanized in August, I was there with him the > >whole time, and I felt *so* much better knowing that he died with me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > kissed him on the head and said, "It's a shame we can't do this for people." I > wholeheartedly agree. As do I. When my time comes, I hope people euthanization is legal wherever I'm living. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > As do I. When my time comes, I hope people euthanization is legal > wherever I'm living. "Hope," hell, and "legal," schmegal!! I'll do it anyway. A fate worse than death, to me: Alzheimers or dementia, where your "shell" can live on for decades. *shudder* Laura R. <usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > circa 17 Jan 2004 20:10:09 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Laura Ditto. You have to move to Oregon, if I recall. Brandy Alexandre wrote: > Laura R. <usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ditto. You have to move to Oregon, if I recall. Yep. Of course Nazi Ashcroft has tried to dismantle our law several times, but so far we've kept it on the books. :) circa Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:49:24 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Karen M. (mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com) said, > Yep. Of course Nazi Ashcroft has tried to dismantle our law several > times, but so far we've kept it on the books. :) Don't get me started on Herr Ashcroft. He is a bad, bad man. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:49:24 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Karen M. (mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Laura You need to add about 25 more 'bad's onto that... circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:53:43 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Karen M. (mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com) said, > > circa Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:49:24 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Karen M. (mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You need to add about 25 more 'bad's onto that... Okay, he is a bad, bad, badbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbad badbad man. :-) SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:53:43 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Karen M. (mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > :-) Good work! :) @, snip snip snip snip..... Ok having just read the entire article from start to end, all the replies etc etc .. I'm having to pull back a tear here as I reply as well.... feel for you a lot over this situation your having to go through, I'd perhaps do one more thing - get the Vet to check for Diabetes! the lethargy and not eating ect etc sounds so much like it - if this post arrives too late for that, please disregard it and put it out of your mind. We had our family pet of about 12 years "put to sleep" having been diagnosed with cancer, we held on as long as we could - but when it became obvious that to hang on longer would have been cruel, we arranged a visit to the vet - we all went down and, after the injection he slipped away very peacefully... scuse me I gotta go now - this is just too much to think of... our thoughts are with you. >From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com >Date: 1/18/04 7:53 PM Pacific Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >You need to add about 25 more 'bad's onto that... You people are absolutely nuts! Do you really need to compare people you don't know and therefore don't like to Nazis?? I suppose you can't point out any actual, you know, EXAMPLES....of what you allege. Get a life! circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, > You people are absolutely nuts! Do you really need to compare people you don't > know and therefore don't like to Nazis?? I suppose you can't point out any > actual, you know, EXAMPLES....of what you allege. Get a life! Do you know *anything* at all about John Ashcroft? Anything? There's nothing "nuts" about holding the opinion that the man is, shall we say, less than a humanitarian, and your political ignorance shows in your ridiculous knee-jerk dismissal. Are you aware of the measures that the man has implemented that erode basic rights guaranteed United States citizens in the Constitution? The so-called "PATRIOT" act is little more than a license to violate basic civil rights. Do you know that your home can be searched without your knowledge or permission, and without a *shred* of evidence against you, thanks to Ashcroft's "anti-terrorist" policies? Do you know about the changes in wire-tapping procedures due to the above? Do you know that your computer and all communication to and from it, are subject to the same Draconian measures? Do you even know which of the Amendments to the Constitution that this violates? Have you even *read* the Constitution? I have. Do you know that if you are not a citizen of the U.S., you can be imprisoned for *years* without a single charge being lodged against you, just because Ashcroft or his underlings declare you "suspicious"? No evidence, no charges. Just "suspicion". Do you know that librarians all over the country are destroying records of what books are checked out and by whom because John Ashcroft has granted himself and his staff the ability to look at *what books you read* as ammunition against you- again, with no requirement to show cause to "need" this list? Oh, and the librarians who are required to hand over this information are also prohibited from disclosing that it has occurred. This has *happened* on at least three occasions, but because of the gag orders against the librarians, nobody outside Ashcroft's circle can reveal against whom these orders were executed. Do you not see the problem here? Do you know of the Constitutional separation of state and federal authority, and do you know how many times John Ashcroft has overstepped that line? Oregon's right-to-die measures are a perfect example of the man's complete disregard for where his power is *supposed* to begin and end. Are you aware of the man's opposition to desegregation? His homophobia? His anti-gun control stance? His anti-abortion, pro-death penalty politics? His inability to separate his personal religious beliefs from his job- in a nation where there is supposed to be Constitutional separation of church and state? Are you aware that he opposed voter registration processes in areas populated primarily by minorites? Are you aware of his opposition of the appointment of a black judge to a federal bench? He lost his senatorial seat to a *dead man*, for crying out loud. Do you not think that there may have been a reason for his constituents to pick a dead man (whose wife stepped in to take his place some two weeks before the election, and was *elected* even though she wasn't even the original candidate) over him? Have you read the PATRIOT II draft? Hell, have you even read PATRIOT I? Do you even know when it was signed? You may be a political conservative and agree with Ashcroft, as is your right (at least for now, given Ashcroft's measures) but that certainly does not make somebody who is not and does not "nuts". And your assumptions about whether or not somebody "likes" John Ashcroft are pathetically ignorant and childish. Grow up, or at least pull your head out of your a.s long enough to get a little oxygen to your brain. "The source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator. The guarding of freedom that God grants is the noble charge of the Department of Justice." - John Ashcroft, February 2002 "Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you." - John Ashcroft, February 2002 Laura SignatureNothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action. -Goethe I think he is doing a good job. You want Reno back. By the way, a judge still has to sign a search warrant but the evidence can be from an informent. >I think he is doing a good job. You want Reno back. By the way, a judge >still has to sign a search warrant but the evidence can be from an >informent. Yeah I'd even take Reno over that fascist. -mhd circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:06:29 -0500 (EST), in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ed Johnson (adrianvi@webtv.net) said, > I think he is doing a good job. You want Reno back. By the way, a judge > still has to sign a search warrant but the evidence can be from an > informent. You miss the point. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. My point was that Gaubster2's claims were utterly ridiculous and without any foundation whatsoever. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >I think he is doing a good job. You want Reno back. By the way, a judge >still has to sign a search warrant but the evidence can be from an >informent. No, a clerk can now sign the warrant. >From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com >Date: 1/20/04 6:21 AM Pacific Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >No, a clerk can now sign the warrant. Any evidence of this ever happening? Or is this just parnoia run amok? <SNIP> >"Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to >die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to >die for you." - John Ashcroft, February 2002 > >Laura Gee, I always thought Christianity was the religion where you sent your son to have his butt plowed by the priests..... eq > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > eq Uh.... Other than the fact that many Christian denominations don't have priests... perhaps you're referring solely to Catholicism?? Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon >circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >say, less than a humanitarian, and your political ignorance shows in >your ridiculous knee-jerk dismissal. Ashcroft is about the most frightening thing to ever appear in American politics. I include McCarthy in this. As awful as he was, Ashcroft has much greater potential for turning this country into a police state. I love how Republicans talk about getting the government off our backs. Funny how you don't hear that any more. Come to think of it, you don't hear them talking about needing a Balanced Budget Amendment either. >From: dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com >>> You people are absolutely nuts! Do you really need to compare people you >don't >>> know and therefore don't like to Nazis?? I suppose you can't point out >any >>> actual, you know, EXAMPLES....of what you allege. Get a life! >>Do you know *anything* at all about John Ashcroft? Anything? There's >>nothing "nuts" about holding the opinion that the man is, shall we >>say, less than a humanitarian, and your political ignorance shows in >>your ridiculous knee-jerk dismissal. You've just proved my point. You don't have any examples of what you allege. Please provide examples of Nazi behavior? You can't. Has Ashcroft (or anyone in American History for that matter) set out to slaughter 6 million people? You whackjobs are beyond the pale in your blind rage and bitter hatred of a man you don't even know! If you want to make comparisons to Hitler you better have something to back it up. Saddam, maybe? Otherwise I AM going to dismiss you offhand. Because I don't have any time to deal with crazy nuts in my life. Actually I've wasted enough time. You don't have Gingrich to kick around anymore so you are trying to substitute him instead. Come to think of it, I never heard the leftists in this country compare Gingrich to Hitler. >Ashcroft is about the most frightening thing to ever appear in >American politics. I include McCarthy in this. As awful as he was, >Ashcroft has much greater potential for turning this country into a >police state. You might want to expand your horizons beyond what your emotions (which can change with the wind) "feel like". Let's see...Billary Clinton? Howard "panic attack" Dean? Wesley "let's call my secretary to see what my position is this minute" Clark? Those loonies are much worse! circa 20 Jan 2004 16:48:04 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, > >>Do you know *anything* at all about John Ashcroft? Anything? There's > >>nothing "nuts" about holding the opinion that the man is, shall we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You've just proved my point. You don't have any examples of what you allege. > Please provide examples of Nazi behavior? I didn't call him a Nazi, you stupid schmuck. Now I understand why you're pretty widely reviled. Are you related to CP? <plonk> Laura SignatureA child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five. -Groucho Marx >From: Laura R. >I didn't call him a Nazi, you stupid schmuck. Now I understand why >you're pretty widely reviled. Are you related to CP? I didn't say YOU did! And reverting to name calling pretty much kills off your credibility. >Ashcroft is about the most frightening >thing to ever appear in American politics. And to bring this on topic, it seems Ashcroft thinks that calico cats are a sign of the devil. http://www.falloutshelternews.com/CalicoCats.html A check with http://www.snopes.com reveals that as an urban legend this is undetermined, and the fact that Ashcroft has never issued a denial leads me to believe that it is in indeed true. Megan - proud slave to several "signs of the devil." ;-) Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >From: zuzu22@webtv.net >And to bring this on topic, it seems Ashcroft thinks that calico cats >are a sign of the devil. >http://www.falloutshelternews.com/CalicoCats.html >A check with http://www.snopes.com reveals that as an urban legend this >is undetermined, and the fact that Ashcroft has never issued a denial >leads me to believe that it is in indeed true. OTOH, it's hard to apologize for something you never said or don't know about! circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, > You people are absolutely nuts! Do you really need to compare people you don't > know and therefore don't like to Nazis?? I suppose you can't point out any > actual, you know, EXAMPLES....of what you allege. Get a life! Do you know *anything* at all about John Ashcroft? Anything? There's nothing "nuts" about holding the opinion that the man is, shall we say, less than a humanitarian, and your political ignorance shows in your ridiculous knee-jerk dismissal. Are you aware of the measures that the man has implemented that erode basic rights guaranteed United States citizens in the Constitution? The so-called "PATRIOT" act is little more than a license to violate basic civil rights. Do you know that your home can be searched without your knowledge or permission, and without a *shred* of evidence against you, thanks to Ashcroft's "anti-terrorist" policies? Do you know about the changes in wire-tapping procedures due to the above? Do you know that your computer and all communication to and from it, are subject to the same Draconian measures? Do you even know which of the Amendments to the Constitution that this violates? Have you even *read* the Constitution? I have. Do you know that if you are not a citizen of the U.S., you can be imprisoned for *years* without a single charge being lodged against you, just because Ashcroft or his underlings declare you "suspicious"? No evidence, no charges. Just "suspicion". Do you know that librarians all over the country are destroying records of what books are checked out and by whom because John Ashcroft has granted himself and his staff the ability to look at *what books you read* as ammunition against you- again, with no requirement to show cause to "need" this list? Oh, and the librarians who are required to hand over this information are also prohibited from disclosing that it has occurred. This has *happened* on at least three occasions, but because of the gag orders against the librarians, nobody outside Ashcroft's circle can reveal against whom these orders were executed. Do you not see the problem here? Do you know of the Constitutional separation of state and federal authority, and do you know how many times John Ashcroft has overstepped that line? Oregon's right-to-die measures are a perfect example of the man's complete disregard for where his power is *supposed* to begin and end. Are you aware of the man's opposition to desegregation? His homophobia? His anti-gun control stance? His anti-abortion, pro-death penalty politics? His inability to separate his personal religious beliefs from his job- in a nation where there is supposed to be Constitutional separation of church and state? Are you aware that he opposed voter registration processes in areas populated primarily by minorites? Are you aware of his opposition of the appointment of a black judge to a federal bench? He lost his senatorial seat to a *dead man*, for crying out loud. Do you not think that there may have been a reason for his constituents to pick a dead man (whose wife stepped in to take his place some two weeks before the election, and was *elected* even though she wasn't even the original candidate) over him? Have you read the PATRIOT II draft? Hell, have you even read PATRIOT I? Do you even know when it was signed? You may be a political conservative and agree with Ashcroft, as is your right (at least for now, given Ashcroft's measures) but that certainly does not make somebody who is not and does not "nuts". And your assumptions about whether or not somebody "likes" John Ashcroft are pathetically ignorant and childish. Grow up, or at least pull your head out of your a.s long enough to get a little oxygen to your brain. "The source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator. The guarding of freedom that God grants is the noble charge of the Department of Justice." - John Ashcroft, February 2002 "Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you." - John Ashcroft, February 2002 Laura SignatureNothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action. -Goethe > circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Laura Great rant, Laura! You go girl! Priscilla > > circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Priscilla Yeah, buddy. :) circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:31:21 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Priscilla Ballou (vze23t8n@verizon.net) said, > Great rant, Laura! You go girl! Sorry about that (but thanks for the high five <G>); I generally try not to bring politics into newsgroups. :-) I just couldn't believe that somebody could make such a stupid statement as to claim that one must "know" or "like" a government figure in order to have opinions regarding his or her behavior. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Do you know *anything* at all about John Ashcroft? I do. What I don't know is why anyone bothers with Gaubster. He's a click-past if I ever met one. circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:37:43 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > I do. What I don't know is why anyone bothers with Gaubster. He's a > click-past if I ever met one. So I'm discovering. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:37:43 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > So I'm discovering. Yep. He made some sense (IMO) when he first showed up, but then degenerated... Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon >>circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >>GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I do. What I don't know is why anyone bothers with Gaubster. He's a > click-past if I ever met one. High-five on that one. > circa 19 Jan 2004 15:59:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > GAUBSTER2 (gaubster2@aol.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Laura You can't have a duel of wits with an unarmed man. shame on you... circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:40:24 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Karen M. (mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com) said, > You can't have a duel of wits with an unarmed man. shame on you... Yeah, but sometimes a good a$$-whooping is fun. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:52:28 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Wendy (wendypart@nospam.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Laura Oh Laura, I didn't know about Alex. I haven't been here in quite a while. I'm so sorry. You have my deepest sympathies. CeCe --- I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. --Galileo Galilei circa Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:01:49 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, CeCe (c_c_215@lycos.cominvalid) said, > > Amen. When I had Alex euthanized in August, I was there with him the > > whole time, and I felt *so* much better knowing that he died with me [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Oh Laura, I didn't know about Alex. I haven't been here in quite a while. I'm so > sorry. You have my deepest sympathies. Thanks, CeCe. He did really, really well on the chemo for such a long time, but when the chemo ended, so did his remission within four or five months. The good news is, when the cancer returned and Alex's health declined, was quick. Right up until a week or two before he died, he was tearing around the new place like a maniac, enjoying all the space and sunshine. He also got really, really affectionate over the two years of his fight, so I had some tremendously gratifying time with him. I don't regret a single decision I made with regards to Alex, but I still miss him a lot. These are the last pictures I took of Alex, right in the middle of the move: http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=1006040 Laura circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:13:04 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Laura R. (usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com) said, > The good news is, when the cancer returned and Alex's > health declined, was quick. Er, *it* was quick. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >Does anyone have any advice for dealing >with authorizing the murder of your own >cat? I don't think I can take this. Please take a look at this webpage, especially the article towards the bottom. http://www.specialneedspets.org/euthanasia.htm I think this will help you come to terms with what is happening and help you to understand that you are not committing a murder, but instead are doing something with love and compassion that will ease your kitty's pain. Take care, and make every moment you have left with your baby count. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Thank you for all of your words, I now accept that she must die and is going to die and no longer feel depressed. Does anyone know if heart failure is a painful way to go or is it quite fast? circa 17 Jan 2004 10:58:42 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Ian C (toothpaste100@hotmail.com) said, > Thank you for all of your words, I now accept that she must die and is > going to die and no longer feel depressed. Does anyone know if heart > failure is a painful way to go or is it quite fast? Are you referring to the heart failure initiated by the euthanasia process, specifically the intracardial injection method of euthanasia? If so, it is not at all painful for the cat. My Alex was euthanized this way in August, because the other method of euthanasia would have required the vet to take him out of the room to run a central line. I did not want Alex to have one second away from me during the process of letting him go, so I opted for the intracardial injection method. Before the injection is administered, the cat is sedated to the point of unconsciousness just as s/he would be if having surgery, so s/he doesn't feel the intracardial when it happens. Be aware, however, that animals do not close their eyes when they die, and this can be disconcerting to us humans. Also know that if you go the intracardial route, the heart may take a few minutes to actually stop. Alex had several minutes of fibrillation, which is basically just errant electrical impulses in the heart. The veterinarian ended up injecting the entirety of the intracardial drug to finally get his heart to stop, but again, Alex was unconscious the entire time, and there was absolutely *no* indication that he felt anything or suffered. You have my deepest sympathies, and please know that by euthanizing rather than allowing your cat to suffer through a protracted death, you are doing a loving, caring thing for her. Laura > Does anyone know if heart >failure is a painful way to go or is it quite fast? I was once advised by a cardiologist at a vet teaching hospital that heart failure can be painful and it is much kinder to euthanize. -mhd |
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