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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2004My mom's apartment is really bad for the cat...need some help.
Greetings, So my mom is partially disabled and has had my cat for the past 8 years for company. I still clip the cat and brush her every week or so, and she is healty for being 14 years old, but the problem I think is the smoke. Mom smokes a pack a day, all in a small 1 bedroom apartment. The poor cat's fur stinks so she won't groom herself, and I don't blame her. At times it has gotten as bad as the fur being matted. I hate smoke myself, and can barely stand the place for an hour, I can't imagine being inthat 24/7. Taking the cat away is not an option, but I know it really is the only way to get the cat healthy. When mom was in the hospital for a month last year the cat was with me, and after a couple of weeks was healthy and full of life again...these days she is like her owner, lying around 1/2 dead. What can I do to help this cat live a few more years in these conditions? Opening all the windows in a Northeast winter is out, having her smoke somewhere else is out becuase of the diability, she's tried to quit many times, (and I told her she is killing the cat, but she just can't stop) and taking the cat is out becuase mom would go right over the edge without her best friend. I tried an air purifier, it was soon overcome by the smoke. Any thoughts to help? Is there a super smokeless ashtray? A gismo that provides fresh air in a small area the cat can run to? Bluesman >What can I do to help this cat live a few >more years in these conditions? *Please* get this poor, suffering cat out of the house ASAP. Her risk of getting lymphoma as a result of second hand smoke is very high, and nothing justifies risking a cat's life. If your mother is intent on killing herself by way of cigarettes, there's not much you can do about it, but under no circumstances should you allow her to take the cat with her. Maybe losing the cat will be the incentive she needs to stop smoking, but in the meantime, forcing the cat to inhale secondhand smoke and live with her fur coated with the stuff is nothing short of animal cruelty. Megan.  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >What can I do to help this cat live a few > >more years in these conditions? > > *Please* get this poor, suffering cat out of the house ASAP. Not happening. Her risk of > getting lymphoma as a result of second hand smoke is very high, and > nothing justifies risking a cat's life. Bullshit. She is keeping my mothing from going nuts, truly. I am asking the question here to help the cat, but if you think I would take away one of my mom's few sources of happiness AND tell her that it is her fault that I am taking her away, you are out of your mind. If your mother is intent on > killing herself by way of cigarettes, there's not much you can do about > it, but under no circumstances should you allow her to take the cat with > her. Maybe losing the cat will be the incentive she needs to stop > smoking, but in the meantime, forcing the cat to inhale secondhand smoke > and live with her fur coated with the stuff is nothing short of animal > cruelty. Then go call the cops. > > >What can I do to help this cat live a few > > >more years in these conditions? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > take away one of my mom's few sources of happiness AND tell her that > it is her fault that I am taking her away, you are out of your mind. I'm with you 100% here. >I'm with you 100% here. Of course you are because to you the cat is nothing but a sacrificial animal. I imagine you also condone allowing people to smoke in nurseries because you wouldn't want their little feelings to get hurt. If you don't you're a hypocrite of the first order. Cats and babies both have very small lungs that are affected the same by smoke. It has to be even worse for the cat considering that its sense of smell is much more highly developed and it also is forced to deal with the foul odor of cigarettes, not to mention it has to lick and ingest the residue (the same nasty yellow stuff you see coating the walls of a smoker's home) off of its coat. There is NO excuse good enough to justify putting this cat's health and comfort at risk. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray The reason it is not happening is because you seem to want to make excuses for your mom. The cat needs to be removed from this situation and given a nice, healthy and loving environment. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Not happening. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Then go call the cops. > > >What can I do to help this cat live a few > > >more years in these conditions? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Then go call the cops. I agree. Your Mom needs this cat. Buy Mom an air filter - and replace the filters regularly. There are a number on the market that work well - Honeywell brand is one that comes to mind. There is also a smokeless ashtray that will help. As someone who battled her mom for years over her smoking I can say that it is a battle you will never win unless your mom wants to quit and has a good support system. It broke my heart, but the grip that tobacco had on her was just too tight. Some battles aren't worth fighting and if you can make your Mom happy while she is here, by all means do - you never know what tomorrow brings. And you should be commended for caring enough about the cat to ask how you can help it. Good luck! -L. >As far as getting your mother to quit smoking, I'm sure you've tried, >and I'm sure she has tried, as well. My parents quit smoking some >fifteen or twenty years ago, and they *still* say it was the hardest >thing they ever did. Getting a bit off-topic here (and perhaps out of the experience of this group), but a question: I've never smoked, so I don't know how addictive nicotine is personally, though I am familiar with the discomfort that psycho-physical discomfort that dependence can cause in a small way - don't ask - and I've heard some people say that nicotine is worse than heroin. But could nicotine patches and gum be used basically as a substitue for smoking? It wouldn't do anything for the physical habit of rolling a cigarette in your hand, etc, but could it satisfy the nicotine cravings on a basically permanent basis? Jim > Getting a bit off-topic here (and perhaps out of the experience of this >group), but a question: I've never smoked, so I don't know how addictive [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Jim Sure it does. People successfully quit with patches & nicotine gum all the time. I have some friends who never gave up the gum, either...it's just a substitute for cigarettes. Sort of like socially-acceptable alternative to chewing tobacco or snuff. But the whole issue in the thread was the OP's mom. No crutch, gimmick or stop-smoking program is going to work on anyone unless the *smoker herself* wants to quit. All the advice, patches and nicotine gum isn't going to be sucessful unless it's *her* idea and she's ready to quit. Sherry > Greetings, > > So my mom is partially disabled and has had my cat for the past 8 > years for company. I still clip the cat and brush her every week or > so, and she is healty for being 14 years old, but the problem I think > is the smoke. Big hepa filters for every room. Expensive, but they do help. Just one near the place where your mother sits and smokes will keep her place from stinking so bad. Why isn't she opening a window or using filters now? Incidentally, I really doubt that the cat will not groom herself because her fur smells like smoke. Too many smokers own cats that groom themselves just fine. There may be another reason the cat is not grooming herself. Is it time for a vet visit? For a few dollars the vet could rule out any health problems the cat has now and make some suggestions to you regarding the smoke. > > Greetings, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > vet could rule out any health problems the cat has now and make some > suggestions to you regarding the smoke. I thought of that too...and yes the cat gets a check up every year. Mom lives in a senior housing complex and they have a vet come every year and Fatass gets her checkup every year. Aside from needing her teth scaled a couple of years a go and some on going ear mites, the cat is fine. The grooming issue went away when the cat came to live with me for 6 weeks. If it isn't the smoke, what could it be? "Bluesman" <hotblues20@netscape.net> wrote in message ,snip> >Fatass gets her checkup every year. LOL! Is that really her name?? >Aside from needing her > teth scaled a couple of years a go and some on going ear mites, the > cat is fine. Good. > The grooming issue went away when the cat came to live with me for 6 > weeks. If it isn't the smoke, what could it be? Well, it could be the smoke. Anything is possible. Or she could be depressed in that place. Anyway, I understand why you don't want to take her away from your Mom--studies show the great benefits pets have for elders. Maybe try the filters? Let your Mom know that you think Fatass would like some decent air to breathe? > "Bluesman" <hotblues20@netscape.net> wrote in message ,snip> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > for elders. Maybe try the filters? Let your Mom know that you think > Fatass would like some decent air to breathe? Does she have some nice windows to look out of? Karen > > "Bluesman" <hotblues20@netscape.net> wrote in message ,snip> > > > >> Fatass gets her checkup every year. > > > > LOL! Is that really her name?? That is my name for her...When she was mine her name was Speck (After the dog in Pee-Wee's big adventure), then my mom re-named her muffin, but too much tuna fish turned Speck into Fatass. > >> Aside from needing her > >> teth scaled a couple of years a go and some on going ear mites, the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > for elders. Maybe try the filters? Let your Mom know that you think > > Fatass would like some decent air to breathe? She might be depressed, but the cat loves my mom - with her everywhere, purrs all the time...when she was with me she was more active and her coat and eyes were clear and bright, but no more happy. > Does she have some nice windows to look out of? Yes, big ones...there is a balcony. Maybe I will put a bird feeder out there. > Karen > then my mom re-named her muffin, but too much tuna fish turned Speck into Fatass. :) I like Fatass better than Muffin, but that is just me. As an aside, you don't mean people tuna do you? I saw this show about cats that had gone blind on a diet of people tuna, because there was no taurine in it and cats need taurine. I feed it as a bribe only now. > She might be depressed, but the cat loves my mom - with her > everywhere, purrs all the time...when she was with me she was more > active and her coat and eyes were clear and bright, but no more happy. I'm not surprised. Cats bond with people, no matter what the anti-cat folks say. > > Does she have some nice windows to look out of? > > Yes, big ones...there is a balcony. Maybe I will put a bird feeder > out there. Now that is a great idea, plus the filters. They are expensive, but starting with one right by your Mom's usual chair will do wonders. I bet your Mom will even like her place better. P.S. She is lucky to have you and Fatass taking care of her. >I thought of that too...and yes the cat gets a check up every year. >Mom lives in a senior housing complex and they have a vet come every >year Wow, that is great! I didn't know they did that. Teri >Mom smokes a pack a day, all in a small 1 bedroom apartment. The poor >cat's fur stinks so she won't groom herself, and I don't blame her. >At times it has gotten as bad as the fur being matted. I hate smoke >myself, and can barely stand the place for an hour, I can't imagine >being inthat 24/7. I think the cat should be removed from the apartment. Barring that, *someone* needs to get some major-sized, multiple HEPA filters and run them. Maybe if she only smoked near the giant HEPA it would help some. Poor kitty. Sherry >From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) >I think the cat should be removed from the apartment. Barring that, *someone* >needs to get some major-sized, multiple HEPA filters and run them. Maybe if >she >only smoked near the giant HEPA it would help some. Poor kitty. or maybe the mother could at least smoke in the bathroom with a window open and an exhaust fan running. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm How about getting your mother to kick the habit? Not only is it good for the cat who doesn't have to breathe second hand smoke but it also will help your mother as well live a longer life. If your mom refuses to quit then I'd take the cat from her and keep her with you. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bluesman > How about getting your mother to kick the habit? Not only is it good for the > cat who doesn't have to breathe second hand smoke but it also will help your > mother as well live a longer life. If your mom refuses to quit then I'd take > the cat from her and keep her with you. Have tried this...doctor appointments, patches, nicotine gum...it is not happening. If you were on 13 different medications, were unable to walk more than 20 feet without blinding pain, and were homebound 24/7 in a small apt, and you were addicted to smoking, and your cat was your best friend, there is no way the cat can go. The Hepa filters are a god suggestion, but forget about taking the cat - if she didn't care one way or the other, the cat would have been with me years ago - but the way it is now, the cat stays... >If you were on 13 different >medications, were unable >to walk more than 20 feet without >blinding pain, and were homebound >24/7 in a small apt, and you were >addicted to smoking, and your cat >was your best friend, there is no >way the cat can go. There can be a compromise between keeping the cat (to keep your mom sane & happy) and keeping the cat (sane, happy & HEALTHY). No one needs a degree in psychology to figure out that there must be something mentally or physically affecting the cat at your mother's place ('cause the cat doesn't groom him/herself), but the cat does groom him/herself at your place. If your mother insists on smoking, she should do so - away from the cat. My sister smokes and I have come to believe that you either kick the habit or you don't. There is no try. I think you need to get the cat out of this situation and keep her at your place. Not to sound cruel but I think this pain thing sounds like nothing but a crutch and excuse for your mother to keep smoking. You need to tell your mother how serious the situation is and make come to realize that only is she killing herself but her cat as well. Your mother may shrug it off (most smokers do this because they have become addicted) but you need to keep pressing. I'd also let your mother know that not only is she saving her own life but every other life within range of her habit. She is also saving money as well. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Have tried this...doctor appointments, patches, nicotine gum...it is > not happening. If you were on 13 different medications, were unable [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > - if she didn't care one way or the other, the cat would have been > with me years ago - but the way it is now, the cat stays... > My sister smokes and I have come to believe that you either kick the habit > or you don't. There is no try. *Sigh* > My sister smokes and I have come to believe that you either kick the habit > or you don't. There is no try. I think you need to get the cat out of this > situation and keep her at your place. You don't even take the neighborhood cats off the street. This one has a home, though not the best. How about some more useful suggestions like the filter? And if you have never smoked, don't even try to tell other people to quit. You have no clue what it's like. Nor do you want to. Non-smokers telling smokers to quit is like non-heroin users telling heroin users that they can just quit (or alcoholics, etc). It makes us shake our heads and ignore you; it certainly doesn't make us want to quit. /recovering smoker Signature-- ~kaeli~ Those who jump off a bridge in Paris... are in Seine. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace Uhh. the hell I don't. I rescued Jade last year and she was an abandoned kitty. Let's not forget Ali who was an abuse case and now has a good and loving home. I later adopted her. Of course like some others you'd rather blast me then help a cat. The OP is doing nothing to help this cat and has made several excuses for keeping this feline in an uncomfortable situation to breath the air of second hand smoke. By your answer I can tell you are an advocate of smoking. I suppose you agree with all those other smokers who have no problem killing someone else by there habit. Those who support smoking are usually ones who do it themselves without regard for the lives around them. It's a filthy habit. If you just have to smoke then why not outside? Of course you smokers will always have an excuse why not to do that either. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > > My sister smokes and I have come to believe that you either kick the habit > > or you don't. There is no try. I think you need to get the cat out of this [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > /recovering smoker >Uhh. the hell I don't. I rescued Jade last year and she was an abandoned >kitty. You removed a nice, tame, clean cat from an apartment, and complained about how much the plastic bowls cost and everything else. Let's not forget Ali who was an abuse case and now has a good and >loving home. You picked up Ali and took him the *next day* to a shelter. You have no proof he was abused. He was by your description a shy cat, but this "abuse" you claim is strictly speculative on your part.. On the other hand, the cats outside your apartment who *truly* needed your help you turned a blind eye to. It would have required some effort and expense on your part to trap them, and you wanted none of it. I guess you only "protect'" some cats, and don't care if the rest live or die. Sherry I later adopted her. Of course like some others you'd rather >blast me then help a cat. The OP is doing nothing to help this cat and has >made several excuses for keeping this feline in an uncomfortable situation >to breath the air of second hand smoke. > By your answer I can tell you are an advocate of smoking. I suppose you > agree with all those other smokers who have no problem killing someone else > by there habit. Those who support smoking are usually ones who do it > themselves without regard for the lives around them. It's a filthy habit. If > you just have to smoke then why not outside? Of course you smokers will > always have an excuse why not to do that either. I don't smoke anymore. Doesn't mean others shouldn't. I do as I please in my home, thank you. When I smoked, I smoked inside. If I started again, I'd smoke inside. That's why it's called MY home and not YOUR home. Your opinion of the habit is inconsequential. I'm sure I'd find things about you I'd consider to be filthy habits, too. Whether you'd care is your concern, not mine. As to killing people - everything kills people. The righteous second- hand-smoke-kills-people brigade can join all the rest of the jabber about pollution, fast food, meat, eggs, and everything else that causes disease. /statistics cause cancer Signature-- ~kaeli~ Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > By your answer I can tell you are an advocate of smoking <snip blah blah blah> > I don't smoke anymore. > Doesn't mean others shouldn't. > > I do as I please in my home, thank you. When I smoked, I smoked inside. > If I started again, I'd smoke inside. That's why it's called MY home and > not YOUR home. I can see the headline now: Cat Group Poster "Cat Protector" Has Head Ripped Off After Screwing With Cat Lover Who Just Quit Smoking." :) Keep up the good work, kaeli! >I can see the headline now: Cat Group Poster "Cat Protector" Has Head >Ripped Off >After Screwing With Cat Lover Who Just Quit Smoking." I quit over two years ago. Can I get in line to rip his head off anyway? Sherry > >I can see the headline now: Cat Group Poster "Cat Protector" Has Head > >Ripped Off [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sherry I thought you already did! LOL!! "Never hurt the ones you love. God has provided many more deserving targets for your wrath." Mary, rpch+b, January 14, 2004 > I can see the headline now: Cat Group Poster "Cat Protector" Has Head > Ripped Off > After Screwing With Cat Lover Who Just Quit Smoking." > > :) Keep up the good work, kaeli! *snort* I guess I was a bit, well, grouchy on that, eh? Not that I'm not always a bit easily miffed on the subject. Plus, my friend Rose is here today, if you get my meaning. So it's a double grouchy day. heh Signature-- ~kaeli~ God was my co-pilot... but then we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > I can see the headline now: Cat Group Poster "Cat Protector" Has Head > > Ripped Off [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > friend Rose is here today, if you get my meaning. So it's a double > grouchy day. heh Hee. No, you were fine! Anyone who is told in advance that someone is in the process of quitting and still engages deserves whatever they get! >Not to sound cruel but I think this >pain thing sounds like nothing but a crutch and excuse for your mother to >keep smoking. Your stupidity has now reached depths that I'm sure none of us ever imagined. Exactly what the hell do *you* know about the medical condition of the person in question? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You take the cake. You really do. Sherry > >Not to sound cruel but I think this > >pain thing sounds like nothing but a crutch and excuse for your mother to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry low five low five LOL! > >Not to sound cruel but I think this > >pain thing sounds like nothing but a crutch and excuse for your mother to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry Thank you Sherry. I am the OP, and I was expecting some animal zealots to pipe in with the "screw your mom, save the cat" posts along with some helpful suggestions. I actually thought the above was funny...How can this fruitcake even attempt to make a guess about my mom's disability? I won't go into it, but we are talking major disability here, chronic and degenerative, years of doctors and surgeries, and homebound... Again, I love the cat and want her healthy, but I would put 10 cats in there with her if it made her life better. I will work on the filters and a couple of smokeless ashtrays...in the spring, I am going to get a few of those two way fans that fit in the windows, as well as a perch for the cat to hang out on. I will also rent a carpet steamer to get some of the stink out of the apartment and the furniture. If there are any other ideas, let me know. Bluesman >I actually thought the above was funny...How can this fruitcake even >attempt to make a guess about my mom's disability? I won't go into [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Bluesman Good ideas, all of them I thought. Fatass will *love* the birdfeeder at the window. Mine do. It's gonna cause Bootsie a concussion someday, though. Shhe has a habit of getting excited, then WHAM, flings herself at the window to get the birds. But she loves it. That window is better than interactive TV for cats. Sherry I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think she would be looking out for the best interest of the cat but I guess she must too be an advocate of smoking. I guess she missed the boat when it was stated over and over again "smoking is dangerous to your health" and of course the OP stated his mom was not in the best of health. The best interest of the cat is to get them out of the constant smoke filled atmosphere and into a cleaner one. Of course nobody wants to hear this, least of all the OP. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > > >Not to sound cruel but I think this > > >pain thing sounds like nothing but a crutch and excuse for your mother to [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bluesman >I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then >if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think >she would be looking out for the best interest of the cat but I guess she >must too be an advocate of smoking. Does this mean I'm disqualified from the "Win A Date with Nohl Rosen" contest you advertised on rec.pets.cats.misc. Sherry > >I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then > >if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry Yes, and you're also disqualified from the "Win An Hour with Nohl Rosen in a Smoke-Free Hotel Room" contest as well.... ;) K Go ahead and pick on me all you want. I never posted anything of that nature on the rec.cats.misc newsgroup. Of course you seem to find any excuse to bring me down including destorting the truth. It is amazing what this newsgroup has become. I remember a long time ago we could deal without the Sherry's, Karen M's, and every other nasty poster and help cats. I think you resort to name calling and picking on others because you have no facts or other information to back up your claims. You also don't like it when people stand up to you so you either back down and play the victim in order to get sympathy and support or simply do whatever you can to make those who don't agree with you look like bad people. To Sherry and all the rest, I have to wonder if you also plan on invading other newsgroups with your crap? For those interested I have found a news board for those cat lovers who truly want to help others without the need for name calling and the flame wars that seem to be happening here. You can find it on the catfancy.com Web Site. At least there you can discuss cats without dealing with some of the egos and put downs you get here. Best of all, people actually act like adults there instead of fighting like little children. I am not sure that will fit well with some people here though because you still prefer to resort to name calling and being obnoxious in order to make yourselves look better. For the cat lovers who truly believe in helping cats, head on over to the Cat Fancy board. You can find it at http://www.catfancy.com/anforum/. There are plenty of cat lovers there who don't resort to picking on others but instead would rather be friendly and help cats and their humans. There have been a few here on this newsgroup who have not sat in judgment of others but have actually helped with useful information or other means. Candace being one of them. Maybe you self obsorbed, rude and obnoxious people could learn something from her. Lodi Girl has also been another who has done plenty to help others and cats in her community as well just like Candace has. The best thing of all they have not had to resort to name calling or put-downs of others to drive their point home. Egos need to be set aside for helping cats. You don't have to like a person on here but you can at least be civil and help the cat or give actual useful advice. This group used to be a nice place to come to get advice about cats but some here have decided that if you don't agree with them totally then you are a rotten person. What a shame. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > > >I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then > > >if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > K Of course you seem to find any excuse to >bring me down including destorting the truth. It is amazing what this >newsgroup has become. This newsgroup hasn't become anything except an excellent source of information and support. Except for you. Everyone here agreed in the beginning a smoke-filled environment wasn't good for the cat, and the first suggestion was to remove the cat. Then after more discussion, when it was apparent the only way that was possible was to break the heart of the owner *and* the cat, everyone else started trying alternatives to compromise, and improve the air quality of the cat. Except you. And you harangued and harangued, like you always do, completely misconstrued everything *anyone* said, and turned the thread into a "Smokers are the Devil" platform, and accused the person in question of using her (unknown to you) chronic illness as an excuse to smoke. I've seen kaeli, Candace, both Karens, both Marys, Lauren, Megan, *many* more not only offer excellent advice, deliver it with compassion, but follow-up with e-mails to do anything they can to help.This newsgroup has not changed in thatt regard. Except you. And you sit judgment on new posters, attack them no matter what their circumstances You give no credit for anyone who is *trying* desperately to improve a bad situation without making it far worse. "Kick them when they're down" is your MO, and no, you don't know the difference between advocacy and tolerance. I agree with you this time. I think the cat fancy group is something you should check into. Sherry Jan 2004: > And you sit judgment on new posters, attack them no matter what their > circumstances You give no credit for anyone who is *trying* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I agree with you this time. I think the cat fancy group is something > you should check into. SUBSCRIBE!!! Well said Sherry. I just sit and shake my head reading his posts any more. SignatureCheryl I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy. Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy. - Dori >Cheryl > >I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy. >Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy. >- Dori Cheryl--your sig just makes me laugh every ttime I read it...although I don't have any idea the history or where it's from. Can you clue me in? Sherry Jan 2004: >>Cheryl >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry FINDING NEMO!!!!! SignatureCheryl I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy. Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy. - Dori > FINDING NEMO!!!!! Anyone who hasn't seen that NEEDS to see it!! I normally watch horror, suspense, thrillers, etc and rarely watch cartoons. I LOVED it! *BG* Signature-- ~kaeli~ If you drink, don't park. Accidents cause people. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > FINDING NEMO!!!!! > > Anyone who hasn't seen that NEEDS to see it!! I agree. It was very funny. I'm 50 years old, btw. 8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson ************************************************* http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/ circa Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:35:16 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, kaeli (tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net) said, > > FINDING NEMO!!!!! > > Anyone who hasn't seen that NEEDS to see it!! > > I normally watch horror, suspense, thrillers, etc and rarely watch > cartoons. I LOVED it! *BG* Ooh, I think I'm going to watch that right now! I LOVE that movie, and I'm not normally one to like anything targeted towards children or weepy women. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. 2004: >> FINDING NEMO!!!!! > > Anyone who hasn't seen that NEEDS to see it!! > > I normally watch horror, suspense, thrillers, etc and rarely watch > cartoons. I LOVED it! *BG* This movie has all of that. lol Ok, maybe not the horror part. SignatureCheryl I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy. Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy. - Dori > 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > This movie has all of that. lol Ok, maybe not the horror part. Well, if you wait until the very end -- after the credits roll -- that part is pretty scary!! And funnier than hell!!!!!! 8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson ************************************************* http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/ circa 15 Jan 2004 21:55:00 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > Of course you seem to find any excuse to > >bring me down including destorting the truth. It is amazing what this [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Sherry Couldn't snip anything. Well said. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Go ahead and pick on me all you want. I never posted anything of that nature > on the rec.cats.misc newsgroup. Of course you seem to find any excuse to [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > K I thought you killfiled me? If so, then how did you get my post???? ;) > > Go ahead and pick on me all you want. I never posted anything of that nature > > on the rec.cats.misc newsgroup. Of course you seem to find any excuse to > > bring me down including destorting the truth. Okay, I'm sorry if I picked on you. But you came on hot and unkind, very unlike your web site. I went to your web site. Very nice. Extremely clean and uncluttered. You're sure are a well-organized guy. I have never seen such a clutter-free web site. To me, that's another world. But I have a slow connection. And it's frustrating trying to listen to your video and audio. I just gave up after a while. Your audio on RealOne punked out because it needed 64k even though it said it would tone done for slow connections, bummer. And the video, hmmm, can I make a few suggestions without picking on you? It's a great clean environment you have for your cats. But could you cut to the chase? for the video? That into is well ... As dense as we may all seem, you don't need to really go into a long discussion that the cats are for adoption. That can come in the end. That reminded me of high school politicking. I have a feeling most adopters might be female, don't know, know adopters of both genders, maybe a quick female voice-over just to get it up and running. I might get ADSL because I can't take all these computer intensive sites. And you computer desk is also astonishingly clutter-free. You might want to offer those services as well. DECLUTTERER EXTRAORDINAIRE for a fee for the cats, of course. And that monitor, looked 2 feet wide. For video editing? The only person I ever saw with such a clean workspace was a minimalist mathematician - he was brutal - HE DID NOT EVEN HAVE A CHAIR !!!!!! He programmed his fourier math series for sperm cracking standing up (he did contracting for a fertility clinic - all that money for more babies, but paid his bills handsomely) Keep up the good work and I'll try not to be so harsh but it's hard with all these fat-assed cats in their SUVs talking on cell phones :) I was not hot and unkind but I had to be brutally honest. As for the Web Site the radio portion does broadcast at 64k CD quality stereo for cats. As for the videos we made a point to say the felines are up for adoption in the beginning because we prefer not to clutter them in the ending. Of course I have no control on how they get edited because someone else does that. How do you know my desk is uncluttered? Not everything is in the shots you know. However I do try to stay somewhat healthy spacewise as I am a computer tech. My area does get cluttered with equipment and CD's sometimes. The monitor is a 19inch and the photo was shot that way because of the angle but was stretched out later. Thanks for the feedback though. It is always good to make improvements. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I went to your web site. Very nice. Extremely clean and uncluttered. > You're sure are a well-organized guy. I have never seen such [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Keep up the good work and I'll try not to be so harsh but it's hard > with all these fat-assed cats in their SUVs talking on cell phones :) << There have been a few here on this newsgroup who have not sat in judgment of others but have actually helped with useful information or other means. Candace being one of them. >> Well, thanks, but I have to admit that I can get pretty nasty, too, and sometimes I even enjoy it. I've reamed quite a few people in here...some that, in retrospect, I'm still glad I did and a few others that maybe I shouldn't have so vociferously. A good flamefest can be fairly entertaining for a day or 2 as long as it doesn't get in the way of the real purpose here. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) Well I stick to my guns and am glad to do so. I won't back down because I will not allow others to walk all over me. You may think you have been tough but you are very helpful and don't have this high and mighty attitude. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "MacCandace" <maccandace@aol.comlitter> wrote in message news:20040116221538.26514.00000107@mb- > Well, thanks, but I have to admit that I can get pretty nasty, too, and > sometimes I even enjoy it. I've reamed quite a few people in here...some that, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other > than human." (Loren Eisely) > I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then > if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > atmosphere and into a cleaner one. Of course nobody wants to hear this, > least of all the OP. I am new to the group, so maybe I need to make sure of this - you are the a.shole in the place who needs attention because your true life is so pathetic, so you will say any stupid thing to get a response, right? Bluesman Is resorting to name calling the only way you can try to drive a point. It seems to me that you have had nothing but excuses for your smoking mother. It sounds to me like you are the one with the cry for attention. My position lies in what is in the best interest of the cat. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I am new to the group, so maybe I need to make sure of this - you are > the a.shole in the place who needs attention because your true life is > so pathetic, so you will say any stupid thing to get a response, > right? > > Bluesman circa 15 Jan 2004 05:54:44 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Bluesman (hotblues20@netscape.net) said, > I am new to the group, so maybe I need to make sure of this - you are > the a.shole in the place who needs attention because your true life is > so pathetic, so you will say any stupid thing to get a response, > right? That about covers it, but you forgot the "nuttier than a fruitcake" part. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then > if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > atmosphere and into a cleaner one. Of course nobody wants to hear this, > least of all the OP. You need to learn the difference between tolerance and advocacy. Among other things. Signature-- ~kaeli~ If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace circa Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:11:34 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cat Protector (catprotector@cox.net) said, > I never listen to Sherry. All she does is try to look high and mighty. Then > if someone stands up to her then they are labled the bad guy. I would think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > atmosphere and into a cleaner one. Of course nobody wants to hear this, > least of all the OP. Why is it that every time I see one of CP's posts, I start hearing the Twilight Zone theme music in my head? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa 14 Jan 2004 06:06:42 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Bluesman (hotblues20@netscape.net) said, > I actually thought the above was funny...How can this fruitcake even > attempt to make a guess about my mom's disability? Because he is exactly what you describe- a fruitcake. The boy "just ain't right". Everybody knows it except for him. > I won't go into > it, but we are talking major disability here, chronic and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If there are any other ideas, let me know. I'm in agreement on as many filters as you can fit into the place, *plus* humidifiers. The more humid the air, the more quickly the smoke will sink and get sucked into the filters. I'd also recommend regular cleaning of all carpeted and upholstered surfaces with a steam cleaner to remove the residue. I'd also encourage your mother to pick a specific "smoking area", preferably something like the bathroom, where she goes to smoke and keeps the cat out while she does so. I suspect that your mother would be willing to do at least that for her dear kitty if you proposed it gently. I'd also start wiping the cat down with a damp washcloth every day or two. My cats really like it when I do this when the house gets too dry and their fur gets filled with static. I wipe them as if I were a mamacat bathing them, and they purr away. As far as getting your mother to quit smoking, I'm sure you've tried, and I'm sure she has tried, as well. My parents quit smoking some fifteen or twenty years ago, and they *still* say it was the hardest thing they ever did. Here's hoping you can come up with a realistic solution to this problem. Laura SignatureDo not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same. -George Bernard Shaw circa Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:13:45 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Laura R. (usefirstinitialandlastname@technologist.com) said, > I'm in agreement on as many filters as you can fit into the place, > *plus* humidifiers. The more humid the air, the more quickly the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > fur gets filled with static. I wipe them as if I were a mamacat > bathing them, and they purr away. Okay, I'm clearly severely addicted to the phrase "I'd also" today. Bad Laura! Bad! Laura <will try to produce less repetitive phrasing in the future> SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >> How about getting your mother to kick the habit? Not only is it good for the >> cat who doesn't have to breathe second hand smoke but it also will help your [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > - if she didn't care one way or the other, the cat would have been > with me years ago - but the way it is now, the cat stays... Truly, it would cost a bit, but some really good HEPA air filters could really improve things a lot. Look at the Honeywell ones. I really think most people try dinky little ones at first, but the big ones for rooms are MUCH more effective. I would try two in the main room where she smokes. Do double the coverage. Karen > Mom smokes a pack a day, all in a small 1 bedroom apartment. The poor > cat's fur stinks so she won't groom herself, and I don't blame her. > At times it has gotten as bad as the fur being matted. I hate smoke > myself, and can barely stand the place for an hour, I can't imagine > being inthat 24/7. Well, my cats were fine for the many years I had a pack and a half a day habit in a one bedroom condo. So, I don't know if it's really the smoke...could be, hey, anything's possible. I just quit. I'm dying for one every effing day, but I quit. I'm also a bit grouchy. *LOL* > last year the cat was with me, and after a couple of weeks was healthy > and full of life again...these days she is like her owner, lying > around 1/2 dead. Perhaps the cat is allergic. I know some people are. Or, the environment, in total, is depressing. Cats are sensitive beings. She may be reacting to more than just smoke. > What can I do to help this cat live a few more years in these > conditions? Opening all the windows in a Northeast winter is out, I cracked mine every day, no matter what the temp outside (live in chicago). I have a heater, blankets, and a heating pad. It doesn't have to be more than cracked - anything to get fresh air in. Both for your Mom's sake and the cat's. > having her smoke somewhere else is out becuase of the diability, she's > tried to quit many times, (and I told her she is killing the cat, but > she just can't stop) I don't think non-smokers will ever know how difficult stopping is. It's a drug. An addiction. You don't want to stop. I stopped because I can't BREATHE. It scared me very badly. If I had a choice, I would never stop. I still want one. Every minute of every day. Some people simply can't handle that. And yes, I am still on the patch. It is both a physical and mental addiction. > Any thoughts to help? Is there a super smokeless ashtray? A gismo > that provides fresh air in a small area the cat can run to? You know, having smoked for a very long time, I have never had problems where the smoke was overwhelming. Either she smokes more than a pack a day or the apartment has no ventilation at all, which is bad for anything living there. Open the window, even if just a crack. Get a little portable heater or a heating pad if you have to, but air needs to circulate. Not just smoke, but all manner of chemicals and crap in the air needs to get out. Get hepa filters and/or ion filters for the room(s). Make sure someone is vacuuming twice a week and changing the filters in the vacuum regularly. I would also consider what the rest of the cat's life is like there. What kind of attention she gets as opposed to at your house. Does she have enough interaction? Does she get the right nutrition? Etc. Basically, what is different? In the meantime (while the environment is looked at and made better), I'd take the cat to the groomer's weekly for a bath (or bathe her myself). Signature-- ~kaeli~ The Bermuda Triangle got tired of warm weather. It moved to Finland. Now Santa Claus is missing. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Mom smokes a pack a day, all in a small 1 bedroom apartment. The poor > > cat's fur stinks so she won't groom herself, and I don't blame her. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So, I don't know if it's really the smoke...could be, hey, anything's > possible. I just quit. I'm dying for one every effing day, but I quit. I'm also a > bit grouchy. *LOL* Good for you. Stick with it, and in three months you will not believe you ever smoked. I quit a few years ago. Nicoderm CQ might help you--it did me. Also, drink things through straws. Sounds funny, but trust me. :) I was a two-pack-a-day smoker for the entire time my old baby girl, a beautiful blue-cream tortoiseshell, was with me. She lived to be 20 years old and never had ANY health problem until she just decided to quit eating and no subcutaneous or intravenous fluids or anything else we tried could get her to start again. This is the same cat who entered my life biting me to the bone right after I fed her. Yes, the one I smacked when she bit me. The one with all her teeth when she died, who ate dry Science Diet alone for her last 15 years. I also lived in a one-bedroom apartment. I don't advocate smoking, but I do think many cats--and people--manage to survive it. > Perhaps the cat is allergic. I know some people are. > Or, the environment, in total, is depressing. Cats are sensitive beings. > She may be reacting to more than just smoke. They are emotional creatures, attuned to their owners, esp. when they live alone with them. My old girl was all over me when I cried, and let me hold her in my arms all night the night my father died. Fatass [is that really her name?!] may be reflecting his mother's feelings. > I cracked mine every day. Me too. Plenty of addicts don't like the stinkiness of smoke. > I don't think non-smokers will ever know how difficult stopping is. It's > a drug. An addiction. You don't want to stop. I stopped because I can't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And yes, I am still on the patch. It is both a physical and mental > addiction. Ah. Disregard the above about the patch, then. I was successful on the third try, and I changed most of my habits at the same time--because smoking was paired with most of them. For the first week I stayed out of my office, the only place I smoked in this house. I switched from white wine to red when I went out to dinner, because the mere taste of white made me crave a cigarette. Strangely, coffee seemed to help. I think because it is something warm that one consumes, I don't know. I also rewarded myself with anything I wanted except a cigarette. Plan to gain weight--most do. If you try to do both you will fail. You can lose the weight later. Eventually, I gave myself non-edible rewards--spent the money I would have on cigarettes on eBay! Good luck to you. It is among the very hardest things I have ever done. I love being a non-smoker, though I do miss my cigs. What makes it worth is, aside from the health benefits: never again having to have a nicotine fit. >Ah. Disregard the above about the patch, then. I was successful on the >third try, and I changed most of my habits at the same time--because [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >white made me crave a cigarette. Strangely, coffee seemed to help. I >think because it is something warm that one consumes, I don't know. I think it's because caffeine provides some of the same effects on the brain as nicotine. Both help with attention and focus. If it weren't for its negative effects on the cardiovascular system, nicotine would actually be a very useful psychoactive medication - and there are companies working to try to find ways to counteract the negative side effects. Many people with ADHD or psychiatric problems end up smoking because the nicotine is actually quite helpful for them. > I think it's because caffeine provides some of the same effects on the > brain as nicotine. Both help with attention and focus. Hmm, this makes perfect sense! I have one large cup in the morning (probably what most folks consider two) and feel good all day. Butmore than that makes me feel wired and depleted. I read once that caffeine, like cocaine, stimulates the release of certain brain chemicals (NE?) that increase alertness, but too much actually depletes the stores and you crash. Coffee is one of the few things I consistently do in moderation. :-) > I think it's because caffeine provides some of the same effects on the > brain as nicotine. Both help with attention and focus. Then I must be the most attentive and focused person ever. I only drink Diet Pepsi. From the time I wake up until the time I go to bed. :) Signature-- ~kaeli~ Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Well, my cats were fine for the many years I had a pack and a half a > day [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Good for you. Stick with it, and in three months you will not believe > you ever smoked. Oh, we've all tried many times. Mom and Dad quit for two years, then started again. Gramma quit for 20 years then started again. We're all addicts. heh This time, though, between the allergies and the asthma, I don't have a choice. If I'd like to breathe in the morning, I have to quit. It's not about want for me - it's about need. > I quit a few years ago. Nicoderm CQ might help > you--it did me. On it. :) > Also, drink things through straws. Tried it. Made me want a cigarette. LOL > I also lived in a one-bedroom apartment. I don't advocate > smoking, but I do think many cats--and people--manage to survive it. They did for a long time before the anti-smoking brigade came in. IMO, second hand smoke is no more dangerous than the hundreds of other things out there that might possibly cause cancer. Now they're saying bad things about deodorant, FCOL. Heck, more people are dying from obesity these days than cigs, yet the latest article I read said the rates for smokers have been nearly constanst over the last 40 years (so you can't say it's because there are less smokers). I will never be one of those anti-smoking people. I can't smoke, but I'll never tell someone else they shouldn't. Besides, anyone can make statistics say anything they want. Who the heck knows the truth? Not one article is objective - either the cig companies funded it or the anti-smokers did. hehehe > Ah. Disregard the above about the patch, then. I was successful on the > third try, Hey, this is my third! Now I *know* it's a charm. *g* > and I changed most of my habits at the same time--because > smoking was paired with most of them. Smoking was paired with everything for me, from eating to being on the computer to playing video games, so it's pretty rough to find something else to do. I've been reading a lot. Everything else reminds me of smoking. Geez, that's kinda sad, isn't it? *sigh* All my friends still smoke, too. On the good side, I got Mom and Dad to try again. :) We were all miserable together the other night when I went by. hahaha Signature-- ~kaeli~ Do cemetery workers prefer the graveyard shift? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > Well, my cats were fine for the many years I had a pack and a half a day > habit in a one bedroom condo. > So, I don't know if it's really the smoke...could be, hey, anything's > possible. > I just quit. I'm dying for one every effing day, but I quit. I'm also a > bit grouchy. *LOL* OT, but there's a sig thing you can get for your computer that counts the number of days (up to minutes) since you've quit smoking, the number of cigarettes you've not smoked, the amount of money you've saved, etc. Some people have said it has really helped them stay focussed on not smoking. It's at www.silkquit.org . I think it's free. rona (no affiliation with the site, but I have friends who have used it) Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** > OT, but there's a sig thing you can get for your computer that counts the > number of days (up to minutes) since you've quit smoking, the number of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > rona (no affiliation with the site, but I have friends who have used it) LOL The last thing I need is to focus on not smoking. *big grin* I'm one of those who does better by not thinking about it at all. Thanks, though. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > In the meantime (while the environment is looked at and made better), > I'd take the cat to the groomer's weekly for a bath (or bathe her > myself). > > -- Good suggestions all, but how can I give a 14 year old cat a bath that absolutely HATES water. The cat will have a heart attack if I take her in the bathroom and close the door. Wrap her in a towel and dunk the towel in a warm bath? I could probably pull this off every two weeks, but the cat is REALLY not going to like it. Bluesman > Good suggestions all, but how can I give a 14 year old cat a bath that > absolutely HATES water. The cat will have a heart attack if I take > her in the bathroom and close the door. If they hate it that much, use those wipes for dogs (some places have them for cats, too. It gets the crap off them, anyway. I use them when Rowan decides to go outside and roll in the dirt. heh She hates baths, so only gets one when the allergies (mine) declare that she needs one. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace Try some of the bath wipes available at pet stores. Karen > > In the meantime (while the environment is looked at and made better), > > I'd take the cat to the groomer's weekly for a bath (or bathe her [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bluesman Hi, You could get your mum more purifiers, one in each room maybe or ask her to keep a room smoke free. I read in a cat magazine that cats can get cancer when their owners smoke. Your mum needs to make more effort for the cat too. Alison > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bluesman >Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Bluesman Get on the computer and check for electrostatic air filters -- Hineywell is a good one to start with. It will help the cat and it will help your mother and visitors also. Get the largest one you can afford -- it will cover more space. If you go to www.allergycontrol.com you can find all kinds of air cleaners with hepa filters. I've gotten them for my cat allergies and they really get all the fur out of the air. They say they work on cigarette smoke too! Judy F > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bluesman But don't air purifiers become heavy work-horses due to heavy smoking? SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > If you go to www.allergycontrol.com you can find all kinds of air cleaners > with hepa filters. I've gotten them for my cat allergies and they really get [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > Bluesman >But don't air purifiers become heavy work-horses due to heavy smoking? What the hell are you babbling about now? Air purifiers filter particles, dust, smoke, pet hair, etc. etc. out of the air. The dirtier the air, the more often you probably need to change the filter. Period. What is a "heavy workhorse" anyway??? Sherry > >But don't air purifiers become heavy work-horses due to heavy smoking? > > What the hell are you babbling about now? Damn, Sherry. :) I was thinking exactly that and stifled myself. Now I wonder why. > Air purifiers filter particles, dust, smoke, pet hair, etc. etc. out of the > air. The dirtier the air, the more often you probably need to change the > filter. Period. > What is a "heavy workhorse" anyway??? > > Sherry Excellent question. >> >But don't air purifiers become heavy work-horses due to heavy >smoking? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Excellent question. Too bad it's one we'll never see an answer to. He claims to have killfiled just about everybody. Unless he's lying, of course. Sherry circa 14 Jan 2004 05:05:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > Too bad it's one we'll never see an answer to. He claims to have killfiled just > about everybody. Unless he's lying, of course. He always lies about that. He can't help himself. He has to see people calling him on the carpet for his loopiness so that he can build up a good head of steam whining about how mean and "high and mighty" everybody is. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. << What is a "heavy workhorse" anyway??? Sherry >> A Clydesdale? Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from |
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