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Urgent: Leukemia positive stray--have to make a quick decision
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Chris - 12 Jan 2004 23:04 GMT Brought in a neutered 2-3 year old male stray that I've been feeding for the past 1 1/2 years because of extreme cold here in NY.... Took him to vet for checkup today & he tested positive on Elissa test (in vets office). Am not sure if he ever got shots though rescue group I took him to for neutering told me he had been tested & give shots--I have no way of verifying.
He has never appeared sick & is in all other ways very healthy. I also think I have a home lined up.
Now I'm faced with more dismal decision. I don't know whether to get the IFA ? test--could Elissa give false positive? I have to decide really quickly as I have 4 other cats. Right now, Big Boy is isolated in one of my baths & I have been very careful about washing my hands, etc... but I can't keep him there too long--he is very sociable (though he did freak out in vet's office!) and I know its real lonely & scary for him in there. He is eating fine, uses litter box, etc. but basically stays in large carrier (door off-he can go out if he wants).
I know this subject has been discussed before but I cannot find old posts so I apologize for asking again. Any and all suggestions would be more than gratefully accepted--time, however, is of the essence. Thanks.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 12 Jan 2004 23:18 GMT Do the IFA. Elisas DO give false positives. In the meantime, don't worry about him being in your house as long as he is separated. Your cats won't get leukemia from you walking in and out of the room. It takes prolonged, close contact between cats to contract it. If this cat has a home lined up where he is the only cat, there is no reason he can't still be adopted if he does test positive. Sometimes cats that test positive will actually clear the virus and test negative at a later date. Other cats can live a long time with Leukemia, and some have been known to only be carriers and live a regular life span. Since this cat is healthy, I would give him every opportunity to have happy life in a home somewhere where he will be loved and cared for.
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Brandy?Alexandre - 12 Jan 2004 23:23 GMT Chris <tisme@mindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Brought in a neutered 2-3 year old male stray that I've been > feeding for the past 1 1/2 years because of extreme cold here in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > suggestions would be more than gratefully accepted--time, however, > is of the essence. Thanks. It seems pretty clear that you cannot keep him unless you religiously make sure your other cats are vaccinated and bostered. It's not IMPOSSIBLE to have one infected feline living with the others, but personally I wouldn't risk it. I feel bad for pets that are adopted and returned, but shelters usually guarantee a healthy pet or completely disclose the ailments. Boo on them if they didn't test this cat. "Shots mean only distemper, rabies, and maybe the vaccine, but that won't do anything if the cat is already infected.
He may be fine now, but you'll have tough times ahead. Like I said, I wouldn't do it if I had other cats. You're heart may be softer than mine.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Jan 2004 00:54 GMT Brandy wrote: <snip clear proof that she didn't bother to read or comprehend the OP's dilemma>
Chris, please ignore what Brandy had to say. She is generally clueless when it comes to cats and is consistently guilty of inattention and failure to comprehend what people are saying. It is clear from her post that she assumes you adopted the cat from a shelter and have the option of returning it, which you and I know is not the case. There is another poster here named Mary that took in a Leukemia positive cat that eventually tested negative and has cleared the virus. Hopefully she'll post her experience.
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Chris - 13 Jan 2004 01:39 GMT Well, I decided since my post to take him for the IFA test; talk to a vet tech I know... I have not been able to find rescue group that takes in + cat--unfortunately, he is not a kitten, is going to need some time to get acclimated to 'living with people" & in all fairness, I know that there are many others like him out there..... My keeping him is not an option as am in apt. w 4 cats & it would really be impossible to adequately protect the other guys. I really picked him up spur of the moment in cold weather as I just didn't think he looked like he was ever going to ever warm up & I knew he wouldn't have made it through the week..... He's not that old and this would have been the coldest winter he's ever faced. His old 'safe sleeping' place was taken away by a rather nasty person who barricaded Big Boy's entrance to a crawl space under a house soooo..... The possibility of a permanent home came up after I picked him up but they wouldn't take him if he is really +--- Am hoping for the best with IFA test--dardnest thing is that he is otherwise so healthy! & trying so hard to be friendly... For a long time he was 'hand shy'--you could practically step on him (& many a time I tripped over him) but he would be petrified if you so much as moved your hand towards him.... I think there was probably some bad history there.... Now however, he just wants you to pet him & spend time with him.... For the moment he seems content in bathroom--uses the litter box & eats fine.... but I know he's scared & lonely so I just can't see to keeping him living like that for too long....
I appreciate all suggestions--will let you know how IFA test goes--anything specific I should be asking vet about test results?
> Brandy wrote: > <snip clear proof that she didn't bother to read or comprehend the OP's [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Cheryl - 13 Jan 2004 02:22 GMT on 12 Jan 2004:
> I appreciate all suggestions--will let you know how IFA test > goes--anything specific I should be asking vet about test results? Chris, I really feel for you because I can sense the compassion you have for not only your own cats but for this unfortunate one. I have a positive kitty and he doesn't act sick from the FeLV but he also has other issues non-related (IBD). The FeLV certainly doesn't help the IBD and this is what happens - the body isn't as able to deal with illness when the immune system is compromised. I had such hopes that my kitty would retest negative later (being an adult cat) but he is persistantly infected now from a blood transfusion. I have 2 other cats who are being vaccinated.
If the situation was different and I took in a sick cat rather than have my oldest and first infected, I'm not sure what I would have done. The one I had at the same time that the oldest got infected was tested first when the illness occured, and then 6 months later. He was still negative so testing will only be done if he becomes ill, or if I'm feeling paranoid about it. The newest cat is more prone as she was young when I took her in but she was feral and no where else to go. Couldn't leave her outdoors and no one would take her since she was so feral. No feral groups had room. She tested negative when she was spayed and vaccinated for FeLV along with the other shots.
As for a positive test: 1/3 chance to clear the virus, 1/3 chance to stay positive but remain a carrier without any symptoms, and 1/3 chance to become ill and succumb. This last can be years before it happens, and especially if a good diet is fed and exposure to illness is kept low. IFA test is the most reliable one and I'm glad you're going to have that one done. Good luck to you and whatever you decide. Quite a bit of weight on your shoulders with this one as I can tell it really is hurting you. Like others have said, the risk to your cats with this one isolated is very low.
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Brandy?Alexandre - 13 Jan 2004 03:03 GMT Chris <tisme@mindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Well, I decided since my post to take him for the IFA test; talk > to a vet tech I know... I have not been able to find rescue group [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >> Megan Blah, blah, blah, Megan. There's a reason people like you are killfiled. You'd do better, and make yourself look more credible, if you would simply do the same rather than show your true colors with the personal attacks. Yeah, I do tend to gloss through the stories to find the point, which in this case is pretty much keeping the cat or not. My opinion was not. If you have a problem with that, please try to be a grown up if you feel some obsessive need to comment on it.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Jan 2004 03:36 GMT Bandy wrote:
>Blah, blah, blah, Megan. There's a >reason people like you are killfiled. Yes, because you can't stand to be corrected over and over, or have people point out your faults.
>You'd do better, and make yourself look >more credible, if you would simply do the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >point, which in this case is pretty much >keeping the cat or not. And here is proof positive that you did not pay any attention to what the OP wrote. The question was not if Chris should keep the cat (as it was already stated that a home was lined up.) The question was if an IFA test should be done.
>My opinion was not. If you have a >problem with that, please try to be a >grown up if you feel some obsessive need >to comment on it. Your opinion was based on someting you came up with in your head, not anything the OP posted. I had a valid reason to comment and it had nothing to do with your continuing delusions of obsessive stalkers.
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m. L. Briggs - 13 Jan 2004 05:41 GMT >Well, I decided since my post to take him for the IFA test; talk to a vet >tech I know... I have not been able to find rescue group that takes in + [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> >>Can you put a small radio in the bathroom to keep him company for now? Best of luck in finding him a home. MLB Mary - 13 Jan 2004 01:40 GMT >Now I'm faced with more dismal decision. I don't know whether to get the >IFA ? test--could Elissa give false positive? Keep the other cat separated, get the IFA test. Another thing to consider is that 1/3 of cats who are FLV+ can clear the virus, especially if taken in off the streets and given proper care and nutrition. 1/3 will just test positive for their entire lives but seem normal. 1/3 will die from it. Generally they die within 2 years if not earlier. The FLV virus dies within three seconds exposed to air. It's difficult to pass it from one cat to another unless there is long term physical exposure, saliva to blood contact. I adopted a stray mom cat with kittens. The kittens tested negative even after being with infected mom for seven weeks, being cleaned by her, nursing off of her. She cleared the virus a year later and is still doing great.
You could still adopt the cat out. Just let the woman know about FLV.
Christine Burel - 14 Jan 2004 04:33 GMT > Brought in a neutered 2-3 year old male stray that I've been feeding for the > past 1 1/2 years because of extreme cold here in NY.... Took him to vet for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I apologize for asking again. Any and all suggestions would be more than > gratefully accepted--time, however, is of the essence. Thanks. Hi Chris,
First, some words of encouragement, as I guess you could use some right now. It sounds like you're a kind-hearted person to take Big Boy in during the awful cold and obviously you've been caring for him for quite a long time.
You're also not alone as I have gone through something similar recently, only with an FIV+ stray that I'd been feeding since last winter. After taking in two stray kitties this summer, (and I already had 3 existing cats in my household,) I was not ready for another go-round with a 6th stray, but "Pirate" needed help, badly. He'd been living in my backyard and I was feeding him and trying to get him to warm up to me but early last November one morning I discovered he'd gotten bitten badly in a cat fight and I ended up rushing him to the vet. I learned from an initial and confirmatory test that he was FIV+. So then it was a "what to do" decision like you're in. I knew from talking to several cat rescue people, that with good care, despite his FIV+ status, Pirate could have a chance for a decent life and I decided that I would do something for him as he deserved so much to have a better life than the one he'd had. (I, too, had concerns about my other cats with the FIV+ so absolute worst case, I figured I'd build an nice outdoor enclosure for Pirate so he would be safe from other animal attacks; turns out he couldn't defend himself at all as his canines were all broken off, poor baby.) But I hoped for more for him than that...
So, this is what I did and I hope it encourages you go the extra mile to help your poor guy -- he sounds like a sweetie. With the kind help and encouragement of one of the cat rescue people I know, I made up a set of flyers with Pirate's picture and story and talked to the humane society who gave me a list of all the cat rescue groups in Albuquerque. I went in person and talked to these groups (many were at the local Petsmart and Petco stores); I also left the flyers at many vet's offices, and even a local cat-friendly photography store. I even took the flyer down to one of the local tv stations that was known to be a sponsor for the humane society in town. In the meantime, Pirate was healing at the vet's -- they were nice enough to give me a rescue discount on his services and including boarding while he was recovering and I got permission to put his flyer and picture up in a prominent location at their check-in desk.
This all started in early November; I spent 2 days on the flyers, photos and another 2-3 days passing them around -- then about a week later one of the rescue groups that kept his flyer called me with a contact from a couple who had 2 FIV+ kitties and were looking for a third! (There are also people who have feline leukemia kitties as I met some of those during my search.) The couple came out to see Pirate and were immediately interested in him but they were going out of town for 2 weeks so could I keep him until then. You betcha! This rescue group was kind enough to also loan me a kitty condo to put Pirate in so I could acclimate him to being inside and for the next 2 weeks he lived in the kitty condo in my tiny bathroom in my bedroom and I did fine closing the door off to my other cats and washing my hands like you're doing. Pirate was soooo grateful to be in out of the cold and have some attention -- my working with him during this time really helped get him ready for his new home, too.
So, sorry for being so long-winded but I want you to know that you can make a positive difference for Big Boy. It wil take time and effort and extra work on your part but things can work out for a good ending for him. He can have a better life for the time he has here and let me tell you, it is so worthwhile. Absolutely, my whole holidays were made when the effort to find Pirate a home worked out. Actually, my whole year...
Chris, please know that whatever support and encouragement I can give you, you have. Feel free to email me. I also know that the cat rescue lady who mentored me through this would be willing to help you, too, if you'd like. Below is a link to my yahoo photo site -- if you go to the last 12 photos or so, you'll see Pirate as he looked in the beginning and how he looks now. I just visited him for the first time since November 30th to pick up the cat condo and see how he was adjusting to his new home. I think the photos say it all.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cfbureltoo/album?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&store= &prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/cfbureltoo
Kindest regards, Christine Burel Albuquerque
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