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Urgent: Leukemia positive stray--have to make a quick decision

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Chris - 12 Jan 2004 23:04 GMT
Brought in a neutered 2-3 year old male stray that I've been feeding for the
past 1 1/2 years because of extreme cold here in NY....  Took him to vet for
checkup today & he tested positive on Elissa test (in vets office).  Am not
sure if he ever got shots though rescue group I took him to for neutering
told me he had been tested & give shots--I have no way of verifying.

He has never appeared sick & is in all other ways very healthy.  I also
think I have a home lined up.

Now I'm faced with more dismal decision.  I don't know whether to get the
IFA ? test--could Elissa give false positive?  I have to decide really
quickly as I have 4 other cats.  Right now, Big Boy is isolated in one of my
baths & I have been very careful about washing my hands, etc... but I can't
keep him there too long--he is very sociable (though he did freak out in
vet's office!) and I know its real lonely & scary for him in there.  He is
eating fine, uses litter box, etc.  but basically stays in large carrier
(door off-he can go out if he wants).

I know this subject has been discussed before but I cannot find old posts so
I apologize for asking again.  Any and all suggestions would be more than
gratefully accepted--time, however, is of the essence.  Thanks.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 12 Jan 2004 23:18 GMT
Do the IFA. Elisas DO give false positives. In the meantime, don't worry
about him being in your house as long as he is separated. Your cats
won't get leukemia from you walking in and out of the room. It takes
prolonged, close contact between cats to contract it. If this cat has a
home lined up where he is the only cat, there is no reason he can't
still be adopted if he does test positive. Sometimes cats that test
positive will actually clear the virus and test negative at a later
date. Other cats can live a long time with Leukemia, and some have been
known to only be carriers and live a regular life span. Since this cat
is healthy, I would give him every opportunity to have  happy life in a
home somewhere where he will be loved and cared for.

Megan

                                   
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Brandy?Alexandre - 12 Jan 2004 23:23 GMT
Chris <tisme@mindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> Brought in a neutered 2-3 year old male stray that I've been
> feeding for the past 1 1/2 years because of extreme cold here in
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> suggestions would be more than gratefully accepted--time, however,
> is of the essence.  Thanks.

It seems pretty clear that you cannot keep him unless you religiously
make sure your other cats are vaccinated and bostered.  It's not
IMPOSSIBLE to have one infected feline living with the others, but
personally I wouldn't risk it.  I feel bad for pets that are adopted
and returned, but shelters usually guarantee a healthy pet or
completely disclose the ailments.  Boo on them if they didn't test this
cat.  "Shots mean only distemper, rabies, and maybe the vaccine, but
that won't do anything if the cat is already infected.  

He may be fine now, but you'll have tough times ahead.  Like I said, I
wouldn't do it if I had other cats.  You're heart may be softer than
mine.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Jan 2004 00:54 GMT
Brandy wrote:
<snip clear proof that she didn't bother to read or comprehend the OP's
dilemma>

Chris, please ignore what Brandy had to say. She is generally clueless
when it comes to cats and is consistently guilty of inattention and
failure to comprehend what people are saying. It is clear from her post
that she assumes you adopted the cat from a shelter and have the option
of returning it, which you and I know is not the case. There is another
poster here named Mary that took in a Leukemia positive cat that
eventually tested negative and has cleared the virus. Hopefully she'll
post her experience.

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elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Chris - 13 Jan 2004 01:39 GMT
Well, I decided since my post to take him for the IFA test; talk to a vet
tech I know...  I have not been able to find rescue group that takes in +
cat--unfortunately, he is not a kitten, is going to need some time to get
acclimated to 'living with people" & in all fairness, I know that there are
many others like him out there.....  My keeping him is not an option as am
in apt. w 4 cats & it would really be impossible to adequately protect the
other guys.  I really picked him up spur of the moment in cold weather as I
just didn't think he looked like he was ever going to ever warm up & I knew
he wouldn't have made it through the week.....  He's not that old and this
would have been the coldest winter he's ever faced.  His old 'safe sleeping'
place was taken away by a rather nasty person who barricaded Big Boy's
entrance to a crawl space under a house soooo.....  The possibility of a
permanent home came up after I picked him up but  they wouldn't take him if
he is really +---  Am hoping for the best with IFA test--dardnest thing is
that he is otherwise so healthy!  & trying so hard to be friendly... For a
long time he was 'hand shy'--you could practically step on him (& many a
time I tripped over him) but he would be petrified if you so much as moved
your hand towards him....  I think there was probably some bad history
there....  Now however, he just wants you to pet him & spend time with
him....  For the moment he seems content in bathroom--uses the litter box &
eats fine....  but I know he's scared & lonely so I just can't see to
keeping him living like that for too long....

I appreciate all suggestions--will let you know how IFA test goes--anything
specific I should be asking vet about test results?

> Brandy wrote:
> <snip clear proof that she didn't bother to read or comprehend the OP's
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> - W.H. Murray
Cheryl - 13 Jan 2004 02:22 GMT
on 12 Jan 2004:

> I appreciate all suggestions--will let you know how IFA test
> goes--anything specific I should be asking vet about test results?

Chris, I really feel for you because I can sense the compassion you have
for not only your own cats but for this unfortunate one.  I have a positive
kitty and he doesn't act sick from the FeLV but he also has other issues
non-related (IBD).  The FeLV certainly doesn't help the IBD and this is
what happens - the body isn't as able to deal with illness when the immune
system is compromised.  I had such hopes that my kitty would retest
negative later (being an adult cat) but he is persistantly infected now
from a blood transfusion.  I have 2 other cats who are being vaccinated.

If the situation was different and I took in a sick cat rather than have my
oldest and first infected, I'm not sure what I would have done.  The one I
had at the same time that the oldest got infected was tested first when the
illness occured, and then 6 months later.  He was still negative so testing
will only be done if he becomes ill, or if I'm feeling paranoid about it.  
The newest cat is more prone as she was young when I took her in but she
was feral and no where else to go. Couldn't leave her outdoors and no one
would take her since she was so feral. No feral groups had room. She tested
negative when she was spayed and vaccinated for FeLV  along with the other
shots.

As for a positive test: 1/3 chance to clear the virus, 1/3 chance to stay
positive but remain a carrier without any symptoms, and 1/3 chance to
become ill and succumb. This last can be years before it happens, and
especially if a good diet is fed and exposure to illness is kept low. IFA
test is the most reliable one and I'm glad you're going to have that one
done. Good luck to you and whatever you decide. Quite a bit of weight on
your shoulders with this one as I can tell it really is hurting you.  Like
others have said, the risk to your cats with this one isolated is very low.

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Brandy?Alexandre - 13 Jan 2004 03:03 GMT
Chris <tisme@mindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> Well, I decided since my post to take him for the IFA test; talk
> to a vet tech I know...  I have not been able to find rescue group
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>>
>> Megan

Blah, blah, blah, Megan.  There's a reason people like you are
killfiled.  You'd do better, and make yourself look more credible,
if you would simply do the same rather than show your true colors
with the personal attacks.  Yeah, I do tend to gloss through the
stories to find the point, which in this case is pretty much keeping
the cat or not.  My opinion was not.  If you have a problem with
that, please try to be a grown up if you feel some obsessive need to
comment on it.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Jan 2004 03:36 GMT
Bandy wrote:
>Blah, blah, blah, Megan. There's a
>reason people like you are killfiled.

Yes, because you can't stand to be corrected over and over, or have
people point out your faults.

>You'd do better, and make yourself look
>more credible, if you would simply do the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>point, which in this case is pretty much
>keeping the cat or not.

And here is proof positive that you did not pay any attention to what
the OP wrote. The question was not if Chris should keep the cat (as it
was already stated that a home was lined up.) The question was if an IFA
test should be done.

>My opinion was not. If you have a
>problem with that, please try to be a
>grown up if you feel some obsessive need
>to comment on it.

Your opinion was based on someting you came up with in your head, not
anything the OP posted. I had a valid reason to comment and it had
nothing to do with your continuing delusions of obsessive stalkers.

Megan

                                   
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

m. L. Briggs - 13 Jan 2004 05:41 GMT
>Well, I decided since my post to take him for the IFA test; talk to a vet
>tech I know...  I have not been able to find rescue group that takes in +
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>>
>>Can you put a small radio in the bathroom to keep him company for now?  Best of luck in finding him a home.   MLB
Mary - 13 Jan 2004 01:40 GMT
>Now I'm faced with more dismal decision.  I don't know whether to get the
>IFA ? test--could Elissa give false positive?

Keep the other cat separated, get the IFA test. Another thing to consider is
that 1/3 of cats who are FLV+ can clear the virus, especially if taken in off
the streets and given proper care and nutrition. 1/3 will just test positive
for their entire lives but seem normal. 1/3 will die from it. Generally they
die within 2 years if not earlier. The FLV virus dies within three seconds
exposed to air. It's difficult to pass it from one cat to another unless there
is long term physical exposure, saliva to blood contact. I adopted a stray mom
cat with kittens. The kittens tested negative even after being with infected
mom for seven weeks, being cleaned by her, nursing off of her. She cleared the
virus a year later and is still doing great.

You could still adopt the cat out. Just let the woman know about FLV.
Christine Burel - 14 Jan 2004 04:33 GMT
> Brought in a neutered 2-3 year old male stray that I've been feeding for the
> past 1 1/2 years because of extreme cold here in NY....  Took him to vet for
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> I apologize for asking again.  Any and all suggestions would be more than
> gratefully accepted--time, however, is of the essence.  Thanks.

Hi Chris,

First, some words of encouragement, as I guess you could use some right now.
It sounds like you're a kind-hearted person to take Big Boy in during the
awful cold and obviously you've been caring for him for quite a long time.

You're also not alone as I have gone through something similar recently,
only with an FIV+ stray that I'd been feeding since last winter.  After
taking in two stray kitties this summer, (and I already had 3 existing cats
in my household,) I was not ready for another go-round with a 6th stray, but
"Pirate" needed help, badly.  He'd been living in my backyard and I was
feeding him and trying to get him to warm up to me but early last November
one morning I discovered he'd gotten bitten badly in a cat fight and I ended
up rushing him to the vet. I learned from an initial and confirmatory test
that he was FIV+.  So then it was a "what to do" decision like you're in.  I
knew from talking to several cat rescue people, that with good care, despite
his FIV+ status,  Pirate could have a chance for a decent life and I decided
that I would do something for him as he deserved so much to have a better
life than the one he'd had.  (I, too, had concerns about my other cats with
the FIV+ so absolute worst case, I figured I'd build an nice outdoor
enclosure for Pirate so he would be safe from other animal attacks; turns
out he couldn't defend himself at all as his canines were all broken off,
poor baby.)  But I hoped for more for him than that...

So, this is what I did and I hope it encourages you  go the extra mile to
help your poor guy -- he sounds like a sweetie. With the kind help and
encouragement of one of the cat rescue people I know, I made up a  set of
flyers with Pirate's picture and story and talked to the humane society who
gave me a list of all the cat rescue groups in Albuquerque.  I went in
person and talked to these groups (many were at the local Petsmart and Petco
stores); I also left the flyers at many vet's offices, and even a local
cat-friendly photography store. I even took the flyer down to one of the
local tv stations that was known to be a sponsor for the humane society in
town.  In the meantime, Pirate was healing at the vet's -- they were nice
enough to give me a rescue discount on his services and including boarding
while he was recovering and I got permission to put his flyer and picture up
in a prominent location at their check-in desk.

This all started in early November; I spent 2 days on the flyers, photos and
another 2-3 days passing them around -- then about a week later one of the
rescue groups that kept his flyer called me with a contact from a couple who
had 2 FIV+ kitties and were looking for a third! (There are also people who
have feline leukemia kitties as I met some of those during my search.) The
couple came out to see Pirate and were immediately interested in him but
they were going out of town for 2 weeks so could I keep him until then.  You
betcha!   This rescue group was kind enough to also loan me a kitty condo to
put Pirate in so I could acclimate him to being inside and for the next 2
weeks he lived in the kitty condo in my tiny bathroom in my bedroom and I
did fine closing the door off to my other cats and washing my hands like
you're doing.  Pirate was soooo grateful to be in out of the cold and have
some attention -- my working with him during this time really helped get him
ready for his new home, too.

So, sorry for being so long-winded but I want you to know that you can make
a positive difference for Big Boy.  It wil take time and effort and extra
work on your part but things can work out for a good ending for him.  He can
have a better life for the time he has here and let me tell you, it is so
worthwhile.  Absolutely, my whole holidays were made when the effort to find
Pirate a home worked out. Actually, my whole year...

Chris, please know that whatever support and encouragement I can give you,
you have.  Feel free to email me.  I also know that the cat rescue lady who
mentored me through this would be willing to help you, too, if you'd like.
Below is a link to my yahoo photo site -- if you go to the last 12 photos or
so, you'll see Pirate as he looked in the beginning and how he looks now.  I
just visited him for the first time since November 30th to pick up the cat
condo and see how he was adjusting to his new home.  I think the photos say
it all.

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cfbureltoo/album?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&store=
&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/cfbureltoo


Kindest regards,
Christine Burel
Albuquerque
 
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