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older cat suddenly starts acting strangely, maybe lost a fight?

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Reid Fleming - 12 Jan 2004 15:42 GMT
a couple of months ago we added a foundly kitten to our household which
already had a ~2 year old neutered male.  the older cat did not take to
the new arrival exceedingly well, there were rough&tumbles and hissing
and the like, but up until a couple of days ago things seemed to be
going OK.  they hung out together, chased each other around, ate out
of the same bowl.

the kitten seems to be doing great.  he's grown a lot, he's full of
energy.  the older cat is eating a lot more though, and he's put on a
_lot_ of weight.  he scratches a lot and licks and cleans himself much
more than he used to, but we figured it was fleas or something and that
a flea-treatment would deal with it.

a couple of days ago the older cat began exhibiting strange behaviour.
he started hiding in really odd places (for him), such as under the
kitchen sink or on my bedside table.  all the time.  i mean _all_ the
time.  pick him up (oof! he's heavy), he complains, put him down, and
he's right back in/up there again.   he won't come down to the floor.
he seems to be wary of the kitten, hisses at him if he comes near.

we examined him and found an irregularly-shaped bald patch about
0.5 x 1.0 inch on his back.  it looks like a chunk of hair either
fell out or was ripped out.  touching it doesn't seem to hurt, and
he appears undamaged aside from that.

if the kitten isn't around, he's pretty relaxed and sleeps a lot.
but the moment the kitten shows up, he seems to get agitated.

the kitten seems pretty confused about this.  he wants to play with
the older cat, but the older one wants nothing to do with him at all.

has anybody encountered this kind of situation before?  if so, what
did you do?  how did it resolve?
Gail - 12 Jan 2004 16:14 GMT
The older cat needs to see a vet.
Gail

> a couple of months ago we added a foundly kitten to our household which
> already had a ~2 year old neutered male.  the older cat did not take to
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> has anybody encountered this kind of situation before?  if so, what
> did you do?  how did it resolve?
kaeli - 12 Jan 2004 16:41 GMT
> a couple of days ago the older cat began exhibiting strange behaviour.
> he started hiding in really odd places (for him),

Cats do this when they are ill.

Take him to a vet.

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Reid Fleming - 14 Jan 2004 04:17 GMT
my thanks to those that responded.  i took the cat to the
vet yesterday, where it was determined that he (the cat,
not the vet) had a high temperature and swollen glands,
probably resulting from a bite from the other cat.  since
i couldn't afford the $100+ for the lab tests, he prescribed
mox..something, an antibiotic, to be given 2x day.

the cat is doing much better today, more alert, has eaten,
drunk water, and used his litter box.

i believe what happened is that the bigger cat got chomped hard by
the littler cat and the bite became infected.  add to this the bigger
cat getting slightly hurt trying to get down from some high place
where he went to escape the littler cat.

now that he's moving around a little, i noticed that his
gait is a little off, like he hurt his leg/paw or something.
the vet checked him over and found no broken bones or anything
of that nature, suggested perhaps he hurt himself jumping down
from something, soft tissue injury that would heal in due course.

i noticed something else too.  he moves around the house like...
like a sub-dominant dog would move around a dominant dog's territory.
he skitters around the kitten, stays off the floor if/when he can.

i'm not familiar with cat psychology, and thought only dogs were
into the i'm-the-dominant-animal-bow-down-before-me/i'm-the-submissive-
animal-i-don't-dare-intrude-on-your-territiory thing.  do cats do this
too?

how long is this going to last?  am i doomed to have a cat who won't
_ever_ come down from the table/bedstand/windowsill?
Dennis Carr - 14 Jan 2004 04:52 GMT
> since
> i couldn't afford the $100+ for the lab tests, he prescribed
> mox..something, an antibiotic, to be given 2x day.

Clavamox perhaps?

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Reid Fleming - 14 Jan 2004 09:52 GMT
> Clavamox perhaps?

moxycilin i think.  whatever it is, it smells like bananas, which is
pretty strange.
kaeli - 14 Jan 2004 14:48 GMT
> i'm not familiar with cat psychology, and thought only dogs were
> into the i'm-the-dominant-animal-bow-down-before-me/i'm-the-submissive-
> animal-i-don't-dare-intrude-on-your-territiory thing.  do cats do this
> too?

Yes, they do.

Cats have a complex social structure, just different from the
heirarchical structure of a dog pack. They can switch roles sometimes
and they can be on even footing. Dominance and territoriality are the
main reasons an intact male sprays. Submissiveness is why a cat buries
its excrement. A truly dominant cat will not bury it.
There are reams of books on the subject, far too much for me to put
here. Look over at amazon or google the subject. You'll find lots.

> how long is this going to last?  am i doomed to have a cat who won't
> _ever_ come down from the table/bedstand/windowsill?

Depends. On  many, many things, not least of which is how adaptable he
is and how much of a sh.t the other cat is. You can influence their
behavior by rewarding appropriate responses, punishing inappropriate
behavior, using time-outs, etc. If the brat likes attention, remove your
attention when he's evil and lavish it when he's good. He can earn extra
playtime by being good, etc.
Took almost a year for my one girl and my boy to get along well. Took
nearly 6 months for her to allow him within a foot of her (no fights,
just a spitting and hissing female cat and a perplexed male). He's
friendly with anything that moves. She's a brat affectionately termed
"Princess" . LOL
Now, the other female accepted him pretty quick and they became good
buddies within a couple months. They sleep together, groom each other,
etc.
None of my cats are particularly wallflowers, though, and don't take to
being pushed around. But they're not aggressive, either. So, I have it
pretty easy. The brat gets a time out if she's evil, so she usually
behaves. heh

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