> Some vetenarians are casting doubts about the quality of pet food
> distributed under grocety chain labels. In Canada, one of the leading
> line of products is called "President's Choice" (PC) distributed by
> the Loblaws/Zehrs chain. The PC products for human consumptions are
> truly of higher quality.
Oh, much controversy about food quality. It's like all the arguments in
comp.os.linux.advocacy, or alt.fan.furry, just not as...scary. =^^=
> Is the vet trying to make an extra buck with us, or is there anything
> to this "lowest bid" argument? Would Medical and other expensive pet
> food not also be subject to the "lowest bid" phenomenon ?
I'll bet it's a combination of both, actually. Your generic brands
(President's Choice, Sam's Choice, etc.) are pretty much...well, cruddy,
but there's worse out there (Purina's Indoor Blend uses cellulose as a
primary ingredient, for instance).
This is of course keeping in mind that, at least here, pet food has to
follow certain nutritional guidelines. Canada is probably the same.
But, what your vet sells isn't always the sine qua non of foods. I've got
people who tell me that Hills' stuff is next to Meow Mix in quality and
will sell me things like Natural Life, yet vets will shrug at that (not to
mention that "liver" is one of the first ingredients in their Prescription
a/d) and sell it; I know breeders who swear by varying foods - usually the
higher quality brands, and nothing less than Iam's or Eukanuba, or hell,
even Fancy Feast. (I kinda see why there, since they seem to actually put
fish in their stuff). The universally accepted rule is that, unless
you're blending foods, you avoid the generic stuff.
(And the NL I'll buy anyway - my kids like it., and I can get it for
relatively cheap from this nice lady down the road. =^^= )
That all being said, you won't kill your cat on generic stuff, but you can
do better at any rate, and you don't necessarily need to put them on
Medical unless your vet has reason for a prescription diet.

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GAUBSTER2 - 10 Jan 2004 08:52 GMT
Looking at the nutrient levels and not the ingredient list is the best way to
determine the right nutrition for the right lifestage/lifestyle of your cat.
The label isn't a whole lot of help, unfortunately. You'll probably have to
call the manufacturer and ask for the nutrient levels on a "dry matter basis".
As for "fixed formulas", (meaning the ingredients don't change based on
whatever is cheapest at the time) Hill's is one of only a couple of companies
that utilized a fixed formula everytime.
>But, what your vet sells isn't always the sine qua non of foods. I've got
>people who tell me that Hills' stuff is next to Meow Mix in quality and
>will sell me things like Natural Life, yet vets will shrug at that (not to
>mention that "liver" is one of the first ingredients in their Prescription
>a/d) and sell it
Yeah, the whole "ingredient" argument which doesn't hold up to scrutiny once
actual nutrition is taken into account.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 10 Jan 2004 14:51 GMT
> I'll bet it's a combination of both, actually. Your generic brands
> (President's Choice, Sam's Choice, etc.) are pretty much...well, cruddy,
> but there's worse out there (Purina's Indoor Blend uses cellulose as a
> primary ingredient, for instance).
<snip>
FWIW, President's Choice isn't a generic brand. It's considered a premium
store brand. Generic brands are No-Name type brands, which
Loblaw's/Westfair Foods also sells. The major difference is that premium
brands are usually better quality than generics, and sometimes they are even
manufactured by companies that also make national brands. (or so my home
economics teacher told us 20 years ago)
From http://www.ralcorp.com/thestorebrandstory.htm
"Store Brands are often comparable in quality and nutrition to their
national brand counterparts. The key difference for consumers is the
notable cost savings - about 25% for many products. The Store Brands cost
less because they are not as heavily marketed as national brand products.
You will not see many television or print advertisements for Store Brand
products. Instead, shoppers will usually see lower prices than the national
brands, because the lower cost for manufacturers and retailers is often
passed on to consumers."
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dgk - 12 Jan 2004 18:03 GMT
>even Fancy Feast. (I kinda see why there, since they seem to actually put
>fish in their stuff).
Which my cats carefully eat around. There is one kind that is sort of
a geletin looking substance with fish parts embedded. Sort of like
Head Cheese for Cats. They just leave behind the fish parts. Go
figure.
My cats get Nutra, Science Diet, Wellness, Triumph, or something else
fairly healthy in the morning but usually split a Fancy Feast at
night.
Luvskats00 - 13 Jan 2004 07:37 GMT
dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hotmail.com
writes
( Fancy Feast). >
>There is one kind that is sort of
>a geletin looking substance with >fish parts embedded. Sort of like
>Head Cheese for Cats.
Sounds like one of the (3) three seafood combos in aspic. My cat doesn't care
for those flavors either. He does love (and eat exclusively) Fancy Feast
"flaked" ocean fish (pink) and fish &shrimp (dark blue). He doesn't like the
flaked tuna (light blue)..seems drier than the others, but has eaten salmon &
ocean whitefish (orange rust) once or twice. He also loves the (paste-like)
"gourmet" type of fancy feast: ocean whitefish & tuna (dull blue), seafood
(blue-green) and cod, sole & seafood (green). That should provide a nice
variety.
dgk - 13 Jan 2004 17:41 GMT
>dgk sonicechoes-spamless@hotmail.com
> writes
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>(blue-green) and cod, sole & seafood (green). That should provide a nice
>variety.
Yup, that's it. Something in aspic. Nasty looking stuff.
> Some vetenarians are casting doubts about the quality of pet food
> distributed under grocety chain labels. In Canada, one of the leading
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> to this "lowest bid" argument? Would Medical and other expensive pet
> food not also be subject to the "lowest bid" phenomenon ?
From what I know of Loblaws (the parent company), at least
part of what your vet said was true. They do demand the cheapest *possible*
prices from the companies that manufacture their PC products--human or
otherwise. Companies that do not comply (i.e. try to raise their prices)
get dropped and other companies will be brought in to make those products.
I've noticed a decline in quality in many of their human foods (even their
chocolate chip cookies, which used to be very good) over the last 10 years
or so, and a lot of their newer products are mediocre at best (in my
opinion). That being said, I think your vet may be confusing their No-Name
brand with PC brand. The No-Name brand is definitely of very low quality
while PC is at least a little higher--how much higher, I don't know.
(If you're wondering, the info I gave on Loblaw's demanding the cheapest
prices from their suppliers was gained from a CBC show--either Ventures or
Marketplace--segment on the topic.)
Also keep in mind that Westfair Foods (the Western subsidiary of Loblaws)
was charged and found guilty of changing "packed on" dates on meats for
humans
(http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/projud/2003/20031031e.shtml ).
If they do things like that to human food, do you really think they'll make
sure manufacturers maintain high standards for their pet food?
I don't know that Medi-Cal pet food is better or worse. I tend to be wary
of vets that push foods they sell. One of the problems that I have with PC
cat food, and this is the primary reason I don't feed it to my cat, is the
lack of information provided. There is much less nutritional information
available for PC cat food--even their website is of little help. I tend to
distrust companies that force you to ask for information that should be
readily accessible. It makes me think they're hiding something.
rona

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