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My cat has bulimia

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stlibf - 10 Jan 2004 23:51 GMT
Most cats, if you free feed them, nibble several times a day, with
maybe two larger meals, know what I mean?
Well my (8 months old,single,indoors only)cat wont touch his (premium
brand)dry food ALL day and most of the night, then all of a sudden he
will pig out and eat ALL of it. The whole bowl, and he eats it very
fast too! He does the same thing with water, but not at the same time
that he eats (toilet seats down at all times)
Then, he throws it ALL up very soon after eating, so that it is hardly
digested, still has its shape and color. Once, he even threw up IN the
bowl!Since he started doing this he is pooping hardly any, that is how
much he is throwing up.
So I stopped free feeding him and put only a little in the bowl at a
time. First, he bitched and moaned - you know how cats hate when they
can see the bottom of their bowl, they want it to always be full :))
but he still did the same thing, wouldnt touch it, then would wolf it
all down then throw it all up!
Went to the vet, checked out fine, guilted me into buying a four pound
bag of prescription diet for 18 bucks, blood suckers! He's not been
throwing up or bingeing, but I know its only because he hates the food
and is now hardly eating at all.
Anyone elses cat do this, or have any ideas why he does this? It seems
to be behavioral, right? I mean he checked out perfectly fine! Any
replies are appreciated, Thanks.
Oh and if anyone cares he is fed Pro-Plan Kitten Chicken & Rice
Sherry - 11 Jan 2004 00:09 GMT
>Most cats, if you free feed them, nibble several times a day, with
>maybe two larger meals, know what

Yoda used to do that, years and years ago. I switched him to strictly canned
food, and he never throws up anymore. Unless he gets into Bootsie's food, who
eats Proplan Salmon & Rice in addition to canned. He throws it up every time.
It always comes back up as undigested kibble. I don't think wolfing it down, or
the amount he consumes,  has anything to do with it. I think, for some reason,
dry food just doesn't agree with him.

Sherry
Karen - 11 Jan 2004 02:38 GMT
>> Most cats, if you free feed them, nibble several times a day, with
>> maybe two larger meals, know what
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>
> Sherry

I think that is not unusual. I agree. I would try switching to canned food
twice a day and see if it solves the problem.

Karen
wumpygirl - 11 Jan 2004 06:32 GMT
> Most cats, if you free feed them, nibble several times a day, with
> maybe two larger meals, know what I mean?
> Well my (8 months old,single,indoors only)cat wont touch his (premium
> brand)dry food ALL day and most of the night, then all of a sudden he
> will pig out and eat ALL of it.

I'm left with the impression that the food he is being fed doesn't agree
with him, so he is avoiding it until he is starving.

Have you thought about adjusting his diet? Perhaps introduce him to tinned
food?

Perhaps leave some amount of kibble out for inbetween meal snacks, but feed
tinned the majority of the time?

This is how I feed and over the 3 years my cat has been with me, she has
only barfed twice - nothing to do with the food.
stlibf - 11 Jan 2004 15:05 GMT
Thanks for your replies !
> I'm left with the impression that the food he is being fed doesn't agree
> with him, so he is avoiding it until he is starving.
>
> Have you thought about adjusting his diet? Perhaps introduce him to tinned
> food?

He's had canned, when he was brought home a malnourished stray, and
once in a while for a treat...but I would much rather he stayed on dry
food.

> Perhaps leave some amount of kibble out for inbetween meal snacks, but feed
> tinned the majority of the time?

If I did that he would ignore the kibble altogether LOL.

He really LOVES the canned but it doesnt agree with him, in a
different way than the dry doesnt agree *sigh* He doesnt get diarrhea,
but he does have a soft stool that I assume he cant hold in too well
because *this is gross* every time he eats canned I find a little bit
of poop near the litterbox as if he just couldnt hold all of it in in
time to get to the litterbox *sorry for the grossness* Also the canned
makes him fart alot and his stomach makes really loud noises.

> This is how I feed and over the 3 years my cat has been with me, she has
> only barfed twice - nothing to do with the food.

Does your cat go outside? I'm thinking of growing him some cat grass
see if that does any good. I have had cats before (when I was a kid)
and they hardly barfed, some of them never did. And back then, We
didnt know about premium so they were fed the cheap junk!

Well anyway its clear that Pro Plan isnt going to cut it anymore, too
bad I have like twenty pounds worth of it oh well Ill give that to a
shelter or something. I just have to decide which brand I'm going to
try next, Im thinking about Nutro

Any more suggestions advice, whatever, is welcomed thanks and have a
great day :)
Karen - 11 Jan 2004 16:33 GMT
> Thanks for your replies !
>> I'm left with the impression that the food he is being fed doesn't agree
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> Any more suggestions advice, whatever, is welcomed thanks and have a
> great day :)

Just curious; what canned food did you give him that caused this? This just
very much sounds like food allergies to me. I know that the 18 bucks a bag
stuff is high priced, but you just put him on it for 8 or so weeks and see
if the condition clears up (I'm assuming this must be z/d Hills food). Then
you begin giving him back chicken or beef etc until you find out what sets
him off. It's not like you have to feed him z/d the rest of his life. It
might also be that a change of brands alone will help him out. But why don't
you just go for the z/d and see if it helps. It's pretty obvious that this
cat has an allergy to something in his food. He is going to get very ill at
the rate he is going right now. You don't want him developing IBD!! Poor
guy. I'm sure it isn't very fun to be afraid to eat because you know it is
going to make you throw up. Please let us know how things go.

Karen
Sherry - 11 Jan 2004 23:12 GMT
>He's had canned, when he was brought home a malnourished stray, and
>once in a while for a treat...but I would much rather he stayed on dry
>food.

Why would you rather he stay on dry food? Clearly the diet he is on is not
agreeing with him. Just like humans, his body is going to start stuffering from
repeated vomiting.

>> Perhaps leave some amount of kibble out for inbetween meal snacks, but feed
>> tinned the majority of the time?
>
>If I did that he would ignore the kibble altogether LOL.

There's nothing wrong with a 100% canned diet. And you might be surprised, mine
still nibble on the dry, but their diet is mostly canned.

>He really LOVES the canned but it doesnt agree with him, in a
>different way than the dry doesnt agree *sigh* He doesnt get diarrhea,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>time to get to the litterbox *sorry for the grossness* Also the canned
>makes him fart alot and his stomach makes really loud noises.

What kind of canned food were you feeding? You could try a good quality premium
canned, and give him some time for his body to adjust. It could have been the
kind of food you were feeding him. Soft stools isn't nearly as hard on him as
repeated vomiting.

>> This is how I feed and over the 3 years my cat has been with me, she has
>> only barfed twice - nothing to do with the food.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>and they hardly barfed, some of them never did. And back then, We
>didnt know about premium so they were fed the cheap junk!

I don't think eating grass is going to help any at all. In fact, it could very
well make it worse. You need to switch foods, and concentrate on finding a food
that he can tolerate.

Sherry
PawsForThought - 11 Jan 2004 14:50 GMT
>From: stolichnyabtterfly@sbcglobal.net  (stlibf)

> then would wolf it
>all down then throw it all up!
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>replies are appreciated, Thanks.
>Oh and if anyone cares he is fed Pro-Plan Kitten Chicken & Rice

I would put the cat on a canned diet, preferably a high quality food like
Wellness or Felidae.  Dry food really isn't appropriate for a carnivore anyway.
It's actually healthier for your cat to be fed a mostly wet food diet.  

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Lauren
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Tree Line - 11 Jan 2004 20:34 GMT
> Went to the vet, checked out fine, guilted me into buying a four pound
> bag of prescription diet for 18 bucks, blood suckers! He's not been
> throwing up or bingeing, but I know its only because he hates the food
> and is now hardly eating at all.

When I have problems with cats, I try to view it as what I would do if
I had a little human.

With humans and food allergies, you limit the food to something fresh.
For example, only rice and lamb and then add 1 food per day.

With a cat, I often might make some fresh chicken, chicken that is
antibiotic free and free-ranged chicken, old-fashion chicken, unlike
that horrible penned up chickens. At least these chickens had a chance
to stretch before slaughter.

Now fresh chicken is not sufficient. So be careful, don't do this as a
long range thing unless you can supplement with vitamins and the right
minerals. But for a few days, you can see if pure, cooked chicken is
good. I just put it in a microwave with some water, so the chicken
becomes cooked and a wee bit stewed. Takes only a few minutes, and
it's quite tasty actually. I tend to steal it back from the cat so I
have to control myself.

I cook the chicken to make sure it's germ free. I know the cats can
eat germs but who knows after being indoors mostly. I use only meat
part, no bones. Not cooked bones ever, dangerous since they splinter
unlike raw bones probably.

It's also possible that your cat might have a tummy problem. Don't
know. A large number of humans, for example, have H. pylori which
mimics ulcers and can cause ulcers and cancer, but never get it
diagnosed or treated, except using stomach antiacids which just masks
the problem.

You might have to review this with your vet.

When I took care of a sick cat, I made for her some chicken livers for
high energy food that she loved. For short time, it's fine. Certainly
safer than cow livers which you find in most tinned foods. I figure
chicken livers are smaller so less polluted, but who knows.

I am not familiar with the hypoallergenic food you mentioned but
hopefully it is truly hypoallergenic. If not, you can try my method.
The only drawback is that it is labor intensive and probably far more
expensive.

Why? If I can't buy good quality chicken cheap enough to compete with
the tinned food, makes you wonder what crap they put in the best of
tinned or canned food?
jill - 12 Jan 2004 23:27 GMT
I used to have a cat that did the same thing.  Several things took
care of all of it.  1) He got wet food only in the AM with dry food to
nibble on until the next day.  2) So that he wouldn't inhale the wet
food, I placed largish stones in the bowl so that he had to eat around
them. It slowed him down. 3) Since he was an indoor cat, part of the
morning routine was a dolop of Vaseline that he would lick off my
finger. (I've never had a cat that didn't like the stuff.)
hope this helps
jill

> > Went to the vet, checked out fine, guilted me into buying a four pound
> > bag of prescription diet for 18 bucks, blood suckers! He's not been
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> the tinned food, makes you wonder what crap they put in the best of
> tinned or canned food?
jamie - 12 Jan 2004 20:35 GMT
> Anyone elses cat do this, or have any ideas why he does this? It seems
> to be behavioral, right? I mean he checked out perfectly fine! Any
> replies are appreciated, Thanks.

One of my cats was adopted as a starving kitten, and apparently
has anxiety about an empty dish.  If I let the dish get empty,
he will gorge until he throws up.  He's 12 now, and I usually
make sure there is at least a little food in the dish, but if
it does get empty, he'll binge.

What's worked for me is to try to distract him while he's binging,
by talking to him and petting him.  That way he slows down some and
sometimes realizes he's had enough, before he eats so much that he
throws it up.

I can't imagine why your cat leaves the food all day and then binges,
though.  Does he do this with different foods, or just one you've been
using?

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stlibf - 15 Jan 2004 21:49 GMT
Ok heres an update. I did a lot of research and chatted with a lot of
people. I was still not sure what to do. Last night he started hacking
for the first time ever. Not barfing, just hacking something up and
swallowing it before I could see what it was. DUH hairballs! I cant
BELIEVE the vet didnt even SUGGEST that it could be hairballs, she
just sold me a $18 bag of food and suggested I get a "panel" done,
which is like $80, telling me it could be a kidney problem and all
this crap, scaring me. Vets can be such A-holes, no offense. Anyway,
He's only about nine months old but I learned they can get them that
young. It all came together - He hardly poops...hair may be
obstructing bowels; He avoids his food then eats it all at once...I
still think this is a personality thing for the most part, but I
imagine the hairballs causing him to not feel like eating, maybe he
even knows that he'll puke it all up as hairballs interfere with
digestion, the fact that, unlike cats I've had in the past, I dont
notice much hair around the house in fact, hardly any. I havent
noticed him grooming himself excessively, however. Anyway, all this
dawned on me as I saw him hacking and coughing. So I bought some
Petromalt last night, and I have my fingers crossed that he'll be ok.
I also have to start brushing him 3 times a week, which will suck, he
will attack me, Ive tried brushing him before. Anyway thanks for
everyones input, I'll post on how it all worked out!
 
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