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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2004China Confirms Case, Begins Civet Cat Cull
Latest Developments Reuters Photo China Confirms Case, Begins Civet Cat Cull (Reuters) - China confirmed on Monday its first SARS case since a world epidemic was declared over in July, and began a mass slaughter of civet cats on fears a new strain of the deadly virus may have jumped from wild animals to humans. Health officials in the southern province of Guangdong said a virus gene sample from the SARS patient -- a 32-year-old television producer -- resembled that of a coronavirus found in civet cats, a Chinese culinary delicacy. To head off any confusion here, I just want to point out that civets are not cats but are related to the mongoose. Which makes me wonder why this is posted in a cat ng. > Latest Developments >Reuters Photo [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >32-year-old television producer -- resembled that of a coronavirus found >in civet cats, a Chinese culinary delicacy. > To head off any confusion here, I just want to point out that civets are not > cats but are related to the mongoose. Which makes me wonder why this is posted > in a cat ng. Because the IDIOTS who write headlines keep putting out there, "China to kill 10,000 cats," etc. I think the killing of civets is equally appalling, but it irks me that alleged writers are misleading the public.  Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ http://slywy.diaryland.com/ >> To head off any confusion here, I just want to point out that civets are not >> cats but are related to the mongoose. Which makes me wonder why this is posted [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I think the killing of civets is equally appalling, but it irks me that >alleged writers are misleading the public. Here is a picture of a civet. http://tinyurl.com/ytnah -mhd >> To head off any confusion here, I just want to point out that civets are >not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I think the killing of civets is equally appalling, but it irks me that >alleged writers are misleading the public. Exactly what I was thinking. I agree that the mass killing of civets, especially when the evidence linking them to SARS infection is scant, is horrible, but it should be made clearer that civets are not a kind of cat. Of course, I also think that killing 450 calves because the investigators can't figure out which one is the calf of the cow that was found to be infected with mad cow disease is horrible too. > Of course, I also think that killing 450 calves because the investigators can't > figure out which one is the calf of the cow that was found to be infected with > mad cow disease is horrible too. But at least with the calves you are not killing off a wild animal in hopes of making it extinct. Alice SignatureThe root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tigressnospam@gtf.org '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. >> Of course, I also think that killing 450 calves because the investigators >can't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >But at least with the calves you are not killing off a wild animal in >hopes of making it extinct. Good point. << >But at least with the calves you are not killing off a wild animal in >hopes of making it extinct. Good point. >> True, but they all feel pain and fear and want to live, wild or not. I kept thinking about the cows all day, how sad. I suppose most of them would have been slaughtered for meat anyway but I (as a vegetarian) don't like that either but this seems worse. Poor things. I imagine they will be killed more cruelly than usual since there are so many to do at once. Same with the civets; they're not going to kill them humanely in a place like China. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) >True, but they all feel pain and fear and want to live, wild or not. I kept >thinking about the cows all day, how sad. I suppose most of them would have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Candace That's what I am concerned about. Every animal, I don't care if you eat cows, horses, dogs or cats, deserves a humane life and a humane death. It makes me sick to imagine how these 10,000 civet cats are going to be killed. In a nearby town, the animal control was trapping skunks and drowning them while still in the trap. I threw the biggest fit and called in an abuse team to investigate, and even though we had *no* jurisdiction to do so, it was enough of a bluff they stopped it. I couldn't stand to think about the terror those animals were feeling. Even if they were just skunks. Sherry << I couldn't stand to think about the terror those animals were feeling. Even if they were just skunks. Sherry >> Maybe if we all pray or send positive thoughts that their deaths will be peaceful...the civet cats and the cows. There's something to be said for the collective consciousness...hokey as it may sound, it can't hurt to wish them well as they die. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) ><< I couldn't stand to think about the terror those >animals were feeling. Even if they were just skunks. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Candace Absolutely, and it's not hokey at all. That's what I'm doing. Thanks Candace. This really bothers me, probably more than it even should, given the fact that I can't do anything more about it. Sherry >>True, but they all feel pain and fear and want to live, wild or not. I kept >>thinking about the cows all day, how sad. I suppose most of them would have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sherry I read that the civets are being killed by drowning them in disinfectant. Incredibly cruel. -mhd > << >But at least with the calves you are not killing off a wild animal in > >hopes of making it extinct. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but this seems worse. Poor things. I imagine they will be killed more cruelly > than usual since there are so many to do at once. Cows are already slaughterd at an alarming rate - one about every 3-6 seconds in each slaughter line. I don't think they *could* speed it up if they had to. -L. > << >But at least with the calves you are not killing off a wild animal in > >hopes of making it extinct. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but this seems worse. Poor things. I imagine they will be killed more cruelly > than usual since there are so many to do at once. Cows are already slaughterd at an alarming rate - one about every 3-6 seconds in each slaughter line. I don't think they *could* speed it up if they had to. -L. > Same with the civets; >they're not going to kill them humanely in a place like China. What I don't understand about the civets, even putting aside that the link between the coronavirus in civets and SARS has not even been confirmed, is why they can't just stop eating them rather than killing them. Are these civets being raised for food rather than animals in the wild? << What I don't understand about the civets, even putting aside that the link between the coronavirus in civets and SARS has not even been confirmed, is why they can't just stop eating them rather than killing them. Are these civets being raised for food rather than animals in the wild? >> Perhaps I'll be flamed for this but my significant other goes to India now and then on business and he likes it there. On the other hand, his boss goes to China for business sometimes and has told Tony that it's very strange there...he never sees any animals wandering around (India being the far extreme where there are animals and people everywhere) and never hears or sees any birds. I guess we can draw whatever conclusions we want from that. He has also reported that when his hosts take him out to dinner, they eat things he finds exceedingly disgusting such as sheep eyeballs. Tony is hoping he never has to take over the China route and can just stick with India. He said the animals roaming the streets actually look better than a lot of the people. They seem to be well fed, even the stray dogs that are everywhere (this is in Mumbai, formerly Bombay). My point being that I suppose if the civet cats are not fit to eat that they would consider there is no point in them existing at all. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) >My point being that I suppose if the civet cats are not fit to eat that they >would consider there is no point in them existing at all. I see. That does help explain the situation, even though people from other cultures disagree with their reasoning. > << >But at least with the calves you are not killing off a wild animal in > >hopes of making it extinct. > > > Good point. >> > > True, but they all feel pain and fear and want to live, wild or not. Right. An animal has no concept of itself as "threatened", "endangered" or "food animal". The labels are human artifice. We designate value to animals only when we have driven or are about to drive them to extinction. Whether steer, civet, orangantan or human, we all die the only way we can, one by one. > Right. An animal has no concept of itself as "threatened", "endangered" > or "food animal". The labels are human artifice. We designate value to > animals only when we have driven or are about to drive them to > extinction. I'm sorry, but one has to eat. Sometimes animals die to feed other animals (including humans). Yes, I consider this a better death because it at least serves a purpose of keeping another animal alive or even happy. Killing just to make an animal extinct on the other hand is a deatht that should not happen. Alice SignatureThe root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tigressnospam@gtf.org '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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