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Alynn Baker - 28 Dec 2003 21:56 GMT
Background:

We have a black indoor cat (probably American Shorthair) adopted from
a shelter 6 years ago at the approximate age of 5 years old. From
early on he had trouble coughing but it was not hairball; this was
eventually considered asthma and he had excellent results for a few
years with injections of a steroid every 2 to 4 months (the 4 month
periods after we removed most of the carpeting in our house). At age
10 he had a "geriatric profile" done that showed high thyroid but not
high enough for any action to be taken (free T4 test is done every few
months). The vet also found a heart murmur.

After the 1st of 2 heart ultrasounds, the cat started taking 12.5 mg
of atenolol (spelling?) daily to help with cardiomyopathy. His murmur
seemed to improve according to the vet for months but the 2nd
ultrasound recently showed a worsening of the situation. The cat is
scared easily. especially at the vet's, and his heartbeat is often
fast and we are trying to check it at home using someone's borrowed
stethoscope.

Problem we need help with:

Yesterday the cat was walking and then fell on his side and starting
meowing loudly (the sound he sometimes makes when in another room and
looking for us!). My husband panicked and his loud voice and rapid
motions further scared the cat who ran to hide under the bed. After a
while we got him out and he was calm and able to walk and he took some
treats. Today, just under 24 hours later the same thing happened but
he did not run as we acted calmer. He was able to walk normally again
(immediately) and took treats and some tuna juice left over in a can
and has been cleaning himself and now is sleeping on a chair.

One possibility is that blood clots are paralyzing his leg(s)
temporarily at this time but the fall doesn't yet last more than a few
seconds. Are there any other things we should ask the vet about? I'm
calling in the morning for an emergency appointment.

Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
Luvskats00 - 28 Dec 2003 22:41 GMT
I'm so sorry this poor cat is having so many health problems. My heart goes out
to you & your husband. Best wishes.
Someone - 28 Dec 2003 22:51 GMT
> Yesterday the cat was walking and then fell on his side and starting
> meowing loudly

You mentioned your cat has cardiomyopathy.  I used to have a cat
with that too.  The symptoms you describe remind me of the "episodes"
he would sometimes have toward the end of his otherwise quite happy life.

You said he is on atenolol, a variant of which my cat took too.  My cat
also took a couple of other medications.

Check to see if you have a critical care type of vet in your city your
regular vet can refer you to, as they specialize in dog and cat
cardiomyopathy and might have more experience in helping your
little darling.
Betsy - 29 Dec 2003 03:44 GMT
These sound a lot like blood clots, which, if lodged in the lungs, will
cause rapid death.  Is this cat taking aspirin as well?  Or any other blood
thinner?

I've had several cats with this disease and one died from a clot.

Please call the vet right away!

> Background:
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> Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
Wendy - 29 Dec 2003 17:02 GMT
You have to be very careful with aspirin in cats. I wouldn't give any
without the vet's approval.  Our vet recently said we could give Tiggy 1/2 a
baby aspirin (for her arthritis as a last resort) but only every three days
max. It takes 2 days for it to metabolize through the system.

Wendy

These sound a lot like blood clots, which, if lodged in the lungs, will
cause rapid death.  Is this cat taking aspirin as well?  Or any other blood
thinner?

I've had several cats with this disease and one died from a clot.

Please call the vet right away!

> Background:
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> Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
Betsy - 29 Dec 2003 21:56 GMT
I'm glad you pointed that out.  I wasn't advocating that the OP medicate her
cat with this herself!  I was just wondering if it had been prescribed, as
it usually is in HTCM.

> You have to be very careful with aspirin in cats. I wouldn't give any
> without the vet's approval.  Our vet recently said we could give Tiggy 1/2 a
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> > Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
Wendy - 29 Dec 2003 23:55 GMT
No you were asking if the cat was ALREADY on aspirin or a blood thinner.
Just wanted to make sure the OP didn't just give it a quick read and think
aspirin was ok without instructions from the vet.

W

I'm glad you pointed that out.  I wasn't advocating that the OP medicate her
cat with this herself!  I was just wondering if it had been prescribed, as
it usually is in HTCM.

> You have to be very careful with aspirin in cats. I wouldn't give any
> without the vet's approval.  Our vet recently said we could give Tiggy 1/2a
> baby aspirin (for her arthritis as a last resort) but only every three
days
> max. It takes 2 days for it to metabolize through the system.
>
> Wendy
>
> These sound a lot like blood clots, which, if lodged in the lungs, will
> cause rapid death.  Is this cat taking aspirin as well?  Or any other
blood
> thinner?
>
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> > Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
-L. - 29 Dec 2003 05:41 GMT
> Background:
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> Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.

Bllod clot or seizure.  Get kitty ot the vet asap.

-L.
Cat Protector - 30 Dec 2003 02:13 GMT
Perhaps your cat is arthritic. I would ask your vet to be sure though.

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> One possibility is that blood clots are paralyzing his leg(s)
> temporarily at this time but the fall doesn't yet last more than a few
> seconds. Are there any other things we should ask the vet about? I'm
> calling in the morning for an emergency appointment.
>
> Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
Wendy - 31 Dec 2003 13:00 GMT
Arthritis can cause the cat to fall over. This is what happened with Tiggy
last spring that prompted that vet appt. and all the blood work, x-rays etc.
Her hind quarters would just give out on her.

As others have mentioned, mini-strokes or petit mal seizure could also be
the cause - or a combination of both. If the cat has had a mini-stroke
previously that could have caused mild brain damage that could lead to
seizure activity.

Perhaps your cat is arthritic. I would ask your vet to be sure though.

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> One possibility is that blood clots are paralyzing his leg(s)
> temporarily at this time but the fall doesn't yet last more than a few
> seconds. Are there any other things we should ask the vet about? I'm
> calling in the morning for an emergency appointment.
>
> Thank you for any reasonable suggestions.
Meghan Noecker - 30 Dec 2003 04:01 GMT
I believe these could be miniature strokes.

I have experienced 3 of these with my 17 year old cat. The first two
were worse, but odd. I heard a thunk like he had fallen off of
something, and maybe he did. I really don't know. But he was laying
there in an odd position, and crying in a panicked manner, like he
couldn't get up. It really scared me, but when I picked him up, he was
fine. I put him down, and he walked around normally.

At the time, I wasn't sure if he had jumped, but missed the chair, and
fallen, and then been upset by the fall. He does miss in his jumps
sometimes. His "springs" are kinda worn out at his old age.

But on Christmas, he clearly fell over with nothing nearby to fall off
of. We heard a noise, and then two panicked cries. And then he got up.
I did go get him and comfort him.

I really believe that he is having minor strokes or seizures. They
cause him to fall over, and that scares him. But they are quick, and
he is fine afterward. Maynard is 17 1/2, has some arthritis, but is
otherwise very healthy. He had an abcess last May, so he had full
bloodwork done then, and the vet was surprised at how good his results
were. The only abnormality was the high white blood count, which they
expected with the abcess.

If your cat seems to be fine afterward, I wouldn't worry about it too
much. Older cats are going to have problems, just like older people.
And there isn't a whole lot we can do about it.

I only know of 3 with my cat.There have probably been some when I was
not home. But he is doing well, and enjoying life, and is pretty
healthy. I just comfort him after an episode, and I treat him like a
king every day.
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MacCandace - 31 Dec 2003 03:52 GMT
<< I only know of 3 with my cat.There have probably been some when I was
not home. But he is doing well, and enjoying life, and is pretty
healthy. I just comfort him after an episode, and I treat him like a
king every day.
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Well, I can understand that reasoning as I have a 17 year old cat, too, and
obviously, cats, like people, get older and some things change.  But if your
kitty is having mini-strokes, i would think there would be some medication that
could help him.  Have you ever had his blood pressure tested?

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Meghan Noecker - 02 Jan 2004 21:47 GMT
><< I only know of 3 with my cat.There have probably been some when I was
>not home. But he is doing well, and enjoying life, and is pretty
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>kitty is having mini-strokes, i would think there would be some medication that
>could help him.  Have you ever had his blood pressure tested?

He was fine. They couldn't find anything wrong with him. They did
think his weight was low, but at 17, he is a hard keeper. He eats
well, but it doesn't seem to stick.

The first two questionable falls happened last spring/summer. In both
cases, I wasn't sure if he fell over or fell off a chair. The first
one was right next to a chair that he often has trouble jumping on.
The only thing that seemed odd was that he didn't get it up right
away, but he was fine when I put him on the bed to look at him.

The 3rd time, the only one that clearly had no furniture to fall of
was on Christmas, and was shorter. He was getting up when I looked, so
he just fell over and got up quickly. It could just be a balance
problem too. No way to really know.

I have a bench in the bathroom so that he can jump onto the bench and
then over to the counter to eat. He used to miss that jump, so I
eliminated the longer jump. Often, when he wants in my lap, he puts
his front feet on my leg and then cries. He won't even try to jump if
he thinks I will pick him up.

I also give him a vitamin for athritis that seems to help a little.

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Wendy - 03 Jan 2004 12:08 GMT
On 31 Dec 2003 03:52:34 GMT, maccandace@aol.comlitter (MacCandace)
wrote:

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I also give him a vitamin for athritis that seems to help a little.

My Tiggy had an episode before Christmas where her arthritis was so bad she
didn't want to stand up much less walk. We have her on Cosequin (glucosamine
chondroitin), shark cartilage and Arnica Montana and she's doing much
better. She has been jumping up into the chair with me regularly and
yesterday was running through the house. I hadn't seen her run for a couple
of years so I guess something is helping.  I haven't had to give her the
prednisolone for pain lately at all.

W
PawsForThought - 03 Jan 2004 15:03 GMT
>From: "Wendy" wendypart@nospam.com

>My Tiggy had an episode before Christmas where her arthritis was so bad she
>didn't want to stand up much less walk. We have her on Cosequin (glucosamine
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>of years so I guess something is helping.  I haven't had to give her the
>prednisolone for pain lately at all.

That's excellent, Wendy! :)

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Wendy - 03 Jan 2004 22:06 GMT
>From: "Wendy" wendypart@nospam.com

>My Tiggy had an episode before Christmas where her arthritis was so bad she
>didn't want to stand up much less walk. We have her on Cosequin (glucosamine
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>of years so I guess something is helping.  I haven't had to give her the
>prednisolone for pain lately at all.

That's excellent, Wendy! :)

Lauren

Thanks!
I'm really relieved :o). We have a cold front coming through in the next day
or so and I'll see how she makes it through the weather change. So far so
good though.  She actually comes over to get her pills etc. now. Guess she's
figured out it makes her feel better. Her weight has stabilized between 7 -
8 lbs. It's a little light for her but doesn't look skinny and it's gotta be
easier not hauling the almost 13 lbs around that she used to.

W
Meghan Noecker - 04 Jan 2004 07:58 GMT
>My Tiggy had an episode before Christmas where her arthritis was so bad she
>didn't want to stand up much less walk. We have her on Cosequin (glucosamine
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>of years so I guess something is helping.  I haven't had to give her the
>prednisolone for pain lately at all.

The one I have has glucosamine, shark cartilage, Manganese, A, E, B12,
and Omega-3 fatty acids. He seems to be a little better when he is
getting it. He usually eats them willingly. They are tuna flavored.

He is still pretty active, certainly gets around a lot. He does go a
bit slower on the stairs usually, and he limits his jumping to what is
necessary. If he wants onto a lap, he usually asks to be picked up,
rather than use his own power.

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