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PawsForThought - 28 Dec 2003 22:08 GMT
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USDA Misleading American Public about Beef Safety
December 24, 2003 by Michael Greger, M.D.

It is not surprising that the U.S. has mad cow disease given our flaunting of
World Health Organization recommendations.[1] What is surprising, however, is
that we actually found a case given the inadequacy of our surveillance program,
a level of testing that Nobel laureate Stanley Prusiner, probably the world's
leading expert on these diseases, calls simply "appalling."[2] Europe and Japan
follow World Health Organization guidelines[3] and test every downer cow for
mad cow disease[4]; the U.S. has tested less than 2% of downers over the last
decade.[5] Most of the U.S. downer cows, too sick or injured to even walk, end
up on our dinner plates.[6]
In Canada, authorities were able to reassure the public that at least the
downer cow they discovered infected with BSE--Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy,
or mad cow disease--was excluded from the human food chain and only rendered
into animal feed.[7] U.S. officials don't seem to be able to offer the same
reassurance, as the mad cow we discovered may very well have been ground into
hamburger.[8] How then, can the USDA and the beef industry insist that the
American beef supply is still safe? They argue that the infectious prions that
cause the disease are only found in the brain and nervous tissue, not the
muscles, not the meat.

For example, on NBC's Today, USDA Secretary Veneman insisted "the fact of the
matter is that all scientific evidence would show, based upon what we know
about this disease, that muscle cuts -- that is, the meat of the animal itself
-- should not cause any risk to human health. "[9] The National Cattlemen's
Beef Association echoed "Consumers should continue to eat beef with confidence.
All scientific studies show that the BSE infectious agent has never been found
in beef muscle meat or milk and U.S. beef remains safe to eat. "[10] This can
be viewed as misleading and irresponsible on two counts.

First, American do eat bovine central nervous system tissue. The United States
General Accounting Office (GAO) is the investigative watchdog arm of Congress.
In 2002, the GAO released their report on the weaknesses present in the U.S.
defense against mad cow disease. Quoting from that congressional report, "In
terms of the public health risk, consumers do not always know when foods and
other products they use may contain central nervous system tissue... Many
edible products, such as beef stock, beef extract, and beef flavoring, are
frequently made by boiling the skeletal remains (including the vertebral
column) of the carcass..."[12] According to the consumer advocacy organization
Center for Science in the Public Interest, spinal cord contamination may also
be found in U.S. hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza toppings, and taco fillings.[13]
In fact, a 2002 USDA survey showed that approximately 35 percent of high risk
meat products tested positive for central nervous system tissues.[14]

The GAO report continues: "In light of the experiences in Japan and other
countries that were thought to be BSE free, we believe that it would be prudent
for USDA to consider taking some action to inform consumers when products may
contain central nervous system or other tissue that could pose a risk if taken
from a BSE-infected animal. This effort would allow American consumers to make
more informed choices about the products they consume."[15] The USDA, however,
did not follow those recommendations, deciding such foods need not be
labeled.[16]

Even if Americans just stick to steak, they may not be shielded from risk. The
"T" in a T-bone steak is a vertebra from the animal's spinal column, and as
such may contain a section of the actual spinal cord. Other potentially
contaminated cuts include porterhouse, standing rib roast, prime rib with bone,
bone-in rib steak, and (if they contain bone) chuck blade roast and loin. These
cuts may include spinal cord tissue and/or so-called dorsal root ganglia,
swellings of nerve roots coming into the meat from the spinal cord which have
been proven to be infectious as well.[17] This concern has led the FDA to
consider banning the incorporation of "plate waste" from restaurants into
cattle feed.[18] The American Feed Industry Association defends the current
exemption of plate scrapings from the 1997 feed regulations: "How can you tell
the consumer 'Hey, you've just eaten a T-bone steak and it's fine for you, but
you can't feed it to animals'? "[19]

Even boneless cuts may not be risk-free, though. In the slaughterhouse, the
bovine carcass is typically split in half down the middle with a band saw,
sawing right through the spinal column. This has been shown to aerosolize the
spinal cord and contaminate the surrounding meat.[20] A study in Europe found
contamination with spinal cord material on 100% of the split carcasses
examined.[21] Similar contamination of meat derived from cattle cheeks can
occur from brain tissue, if the cheek meat is not removed before the skull is
fragmented or split.[22] The World Health Organization has pointed out that
American beef can be contaminated with brain and spinal cord tissue in another
way as well.[23]

Except for Islamic halal and Jewish kosher slaughter (which involve slitting
the cow's throat while the animal is still conscious), cattle slaughtered in
the United States are first stunned unconscious with an impact to the head
before being bled to death. Medical science has known for over 60 years that
people suffering head trauma can end up with bits of brain embolized into their
bloodstream; so Texas A&M researchers wondered if fragments of brain could be
found within the bodies of cattle stunned for slaughter. They checked and
reportedly exclaimed, "Oh, boy did we find it."[24] They even found a 14 cm
piece of brain in one cow's lung. They concluded, "It is likely that prion
proteins are found throughout the bodies of animals stunned for slaughter."[25]

There are different types of stunning devices, however, which likely have
different levels of risk associated with them. The Texas A&M study was
published in 1996 using the prevailing method at the time, pneumatic-powered
air injection stunning.[26] The device is placed in the middle of the animal's
forehead and fired, shooting a 4 inch bolt through the skull and injecting
compressed air into the cranial vault which scrambles the brain tissue. The
high pressure air not only "produces a smearing of the head of the animal with
liquefied brain,"[27] but has been shown over and over to blow brain back into
the circulatory system, scattering whole plugs of brain into a number of
organs[28] and smaller brain bits likely into the muscle meat as well.[29]

Although this method of stunning has been used in the United States for over 20
years,[30] the meat industry, to their credit, has been phasing out these
particularly risky air injection-type stunners. The Deputy Director of Public
Citizen argues that this industry initiative should be given the force of
federal regulation and banned,[31] as they have been throughout Europe.[32]

The stunning devices that remain in widespread use drive similar bolts through
the skull of the animal, but without air injection.[33] Operators then may or
may not pith the animals by sticking a rod into the stun hole to further
agitate the deeper brain structures to reduce or eliminate reflex kicking
during shackling of the hind limbs.[34] Even without pithing, which has been
shown to be risky, these stunners currently in use in the U.S. today may still
force brain into the bloodstream of some of these animals.[35-38]

In one experiment, for example, researchers applied a marker onto the stunner
bolt. The marker was later detected within the muscle meat of the stunned
animal. They conclude: "This study demonstrates that material present in... the
CNS of cattle during commercial captive bolt stunning may become widely
dispersed across the many animate and inanimate elements of the
slaughter-dressing environment and within derived carcasses including meat
entering the human food chain."[39] Even non-penetrative "mushroom-headed"
stunners which just rely on concussive force to the skull to render the animal
unconscious may not be risk free. People in automobile accidents with
non-invasive head trauma can still end up with brain embolization,[40] and
these bolts move at over 200 miles per hour.[41] The researchers at Texas A&M
conclude, "Reason dictates that any method of stunning to the head will result
in the likelihood of brain emboli in the lungs or, indeed, other parts of the
body."[42]

And, finally, even if consumers of American beef just stick to boneless cuts
from ritually slaughtered animals who just happen to have had their spinal
columns safely removed, the muscle meat itself may be infected with prions. It
is unconscionable that the USDA and the beef industry continue to insist that
the deadly prions aren't found in muscle meat.[43] In 2002, Stanley Prusiner,
the scientist who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of prions,
proved in mice, at least, that muscle cells themselves were capable of forming
prions.[44] He describes the levels of prions in muscle as "quite high," and
describes the studies relied upon by the Cattlemen's Association as
"extraordinarily inadequate."[45] Follow-up studies in Germany published May,
2003 confirm Prusiner's findings, showing that an animal who is orally infected
may indeed end up with prions contaminating muscles throughout their body.[46]
And just last month, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, Swiss
scientists found prions in the muscles of human CJD victims on autopsy. Eight
out of the 32 muscle samples turned up positive for the deadly prions.[47]

The discovery of a case of mad cow disease in the U.S. highlights how
ineffective current safeguards are in North America. The explosive spread of
mad cow disease in Europe has been blamed on the cannibalistic practice of
feeding slaughterhouse waste to livestock.[48] Both Canada[49] and the United
States[50] banned the feeding of the muscles and bones of most animals to cows
and sheep back in 1997, but unlike Europe left gaping loopholes in the law. For
example, blood is currently exempted from the Canadian[51] and the U.S.[52]
feed bans. You can still feed calves cow's blood collected at the
slaughterhouse. In modern factory farming practice calves may be removed from
their mothers immediately after birth, so the calves are fed milk replacer,
wh
ch is often supplemented with protein rich cow serum. Weaned calves and
young pigs also may have cattle blood sprayed directly on their feed to save
money on feed costs.[53] For more information on this and other risky
agriculture practices please see
http://organicconsumers.org/madcow/GregerBSE.cfm

And the Canadian[54] and U.S. feed bans[55] also allows the feeding of pigs and
horses to cows. Cattle remains can be rendered down and fed to pigs, for
example, and then the pig remains can be fed back to cattle.[56] Or rendered
cattle remains can be fed to chickens and then the chicken litter, or manure,
can be legally fed back to the cows.[57] So the fact that according to the USDA
the most infectious tissues of the U.S. mad cow case, the brain, spinal cord,
and intestines, "were removed from this animal and sent to rendering" is not
necessarily reassuring.[58]

D. Carleton Gajdusek was also awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his work
on mad cow-like diseases.[59] He was quoted on Dateline NBC as saying, "it's
got to be in the pigs as well as the cattle. It's got to be passing through the
chickens."[60] Dr. Paul Brown, medical director for the US Public Health
Service, believes that pigs and poultry could indeed be harboring mad cow
disease and passing it on to humans, adding that pigs are especially sensitive
to the disease. "It's speculation," he says, "but I am perfectly serious."[61]

The 2002 General Accounting Office report concluded: "BSE may be silently
incubating somewhere in the United States. If that is the case, then FDA 's
failure to enforce the feed ban may already have placed U.S. herds and, in
turn, the human food supply at risk. FDA has no clear enforcement strategy for
dealing with firms that do not obey the feed ban... Moreover, FDA has been
using inaccurate, incomplete, and unreliable data to track and oversee feed ban
compliance."[62] The report can be downloaded at
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02183.pdf

Despite these shortcomings, Secretary Veneman and Washington's governor both
assured the public that they were still having beef for Christmas, reminiscent
of the 1990 fiasco in which the British agriculture minister appeared on TV
urging his 4-year-old daughter to eat a hamburger.[63] Four years later, young
people in Britain were dying from an invariably fatal neurogenerative disease
called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease--the human equivalent of mad cow
disease--which they contracted through the consumption of infected beef.[64]
With an incubation period up to decades long, no one knows how high the final
human death toll will be.

[1] http://organicconsumers.org/madcow/GregerBSE.cfm 
[2] Mad Cow Disease in Canada. May 23, 2003 9:00am KQED Forum hosted by Angie
Coiro. .
[3] World Health Organization Consultation on Public Health Issues Related to
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy and the Emergence of a New Variant of
Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease. MMWR 45(14);295-6, 303. 12 April 1996.
[4] Mad Cow Disease in Canada. May 23, 2003 9:00am KQED Forum hosted by Angie
Coiro. .
[5] Even assuming 195,000 downers a year and that every single of the tests in
the surveillance program's history was performed on downer cattle, (48,000 in
13 years)/(195,000 x 13 years) is less than 2%.
[6] A Review of USDA Slaughterhouse Records for Downed Animals (U.S. District
65 from January, 1999 to June, 2001) Farm Sanctuary, October 2001.
http://www.nodowners.org/downedanimals.pdf
[7] "Critics say U.S. needs to do more to protect against mad cow." The Journal
News (New York) 29 May 2003.
[8] "Mad Cow Meat May Have Been Eaten, Official Says." Reuters. December 23,
2003.
[9] "First US Case Of Mad Cow Disease Found In WA." The Bulletin's Frontrunner.
December 24, 2003.
[10] National Cattlemen's Beef Association Statement. December 23, 2003.
[11]
[12] United States General Accounting Office. GAO Report to Congressional
Requesters. January 2002 MAD COW DISEASE: Improvements in the Animal Feed Ban
and Other Regulatory Areas Would Strengthen U.S. Prevention Efforts.
GAO-02-183. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02183.pdf 
[13] "Health and Consumer Groups Urge USDA to Keep Cattle Spinal Cord Tissue
Out of Processed Meat" Center for Science in the Public Interest News Release.
10 August 2001.
[14] USDA, Food Safety and Inspection Service, USDA Begins Sampling Program for
Advanced Meat Recovery Systems, News Release.3 March 2002.
[15] United States General Accounting Office. GAO Report to Congressional
Requesters. January 2002 MAD COW DISEASE: Improvements in the Animal Feed Ban
and Other Regulatory Areas Would Strengthen U.S. Prevention Efforts.
GAO-02-183. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02183.pdf 
[16] USDA Response To GAO Recommendations on BSE Prevention. Release No. F.S.
0071.02.
[17] Center for Science in the Public Interest. Nutrition Health Letter. June,
2001.
[18] FDA Veterinarian Newsletter. Volume XVII, No. VI. November/December 2002.
[19] USA Today, June 10, 2003.
[20] Harvard Center for Risk Analysis. Risk Analysis of Transmissible
Spongiform Encephalopathies in Cattle and the Potential for Entry of the
Etiologic Agent(s) Into the U.S. Food Supply . 2001. /madcow_report.pdf>.
[21] Joint WHO/FAO/OIE Technical Consultation on BSE. OIE Headquarters, Paris,
11-14 June 2001.
[22] USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service. Current Thinking on Measures that
Could be Implemented to Minimize Human Exposure to Materials that Could
Potentially Contain the Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy Agent. 15 January
2002.
[23] Joint WHO/FAO/OIE Technical Consultation on BSE. OIE Headquarters, Paris,
11-14 June 2001.
[24] Reuters 29 August 1996.
[25] Lancet Vol 348 August 31, 1996.
[26] Lancet Vol 348 August 31, 1996.
[27] European Commission Health & Consumer Protection Directorate-General
Scientific Opinion on Stunning Methods and BSE Risks. January 2002.
[28] Transfusion, Vol. 41, No. 11, 1325, November 2001.
[29] European Commission Health & Consumer Protection Directorate-General
Scientific Opinion on Stunning Methods and BSE Risks. January 2002.
[30] Transfusion, Vol. 41, No. 11, 1325, November 2001.
[31] Testimony of Peter Lurie, MD, MPH Deputy Director Public Citizen's Health
Research Group Before the Consumer Affairs, Foreign Commerce and Tourism
Subcommittee Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. 4 April
2001.
[32] Regulation (EC)No 999/2001 of the European Parliament and of the Council.
Laying down rules for the prevention, control and eradication of certain
transmissible spongiform encephalopathies. 22 May 2001.
[33] European Commission Health & Consumer Protection Directorate-General
Scientific Opinion on Stunning Methods and BSE Risks. January 2002.
[34] European Commission Scientific Report on Stunning Methods And BSE Risks
(The Risk of Dissemination of Brain Particles Into the Blood And Carcass When
Applying Certain Stunning Methods. December 2001).
[35] Berliner und MŸnchener TierŠrztliche Wochenschrift 2002 Jan-Feb;
115(1-2): 1-5.
[36] Joint WHO/FAO/OIE Technical Consultation on BSE. OIE Headquarters, Paris,
11-14 June 2001.
[37] European Commission Health & Consumer Protection Directorate-General.
Scientific Steering Committee Opinion on the Safety of Ruminant Blood with
Respect to Risks. 14 April 2000.
[38] European Commission Scientific Report On Stunning Methods and BSE Risks
(The Risk of Dissemination of Brain Particles into the Blood and Carcass when
Applying Certain Stunning Methods. December 2001).
[39] Applied and Environmental Microbiology. 2002 Feb; 68(2): 791-8.
[40] Letters to the Editor. The Lancet Vol 348 September 14, 1996.
[41] European Commission Health & Consumer Protection Directorate-General.
Scientific Steering Committee Opinion on the Safety of Ruminant Blood with
Respect to Risks. 14 April 2000.
[42] Letters to the Editor. The Lancet Vol 348 September 14, 1996.
[43] National Cattlemen's Beef Association news release. 21 May 2003. .
[44] Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 2002 Mar 19;99(6):3812-7.

[45] Mad Cow Disease in Canada. May 23, 2003 9:00am KQED Forum hosted by Angie
Coiro. .
[46] European Molecular Biology Organization Reports 4, 5 (2003), 530.
[47] New England Journal of Medicine 349(2003):1812.
[48] Kimberlin, R. H. "Human Spongiform Encephalopathies and BSE." Medical
Laboratory Sciences 49 (1992): 216-217.
[49] Canadian Food Inspection Agency BSE Fact Sheet. May 2003 P0091E-00.
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/bseesb/bseesbe.shtml
[50] Food and Drug Administration 2000 CFR Title 21, Volume 6, Chapter 1, Part
589. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/21cfr589_00.html 
[51] Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Regulations: Food for Ruminants,
Livestock and Poultry (Part XIV), "Prohibited Materials"
[52] Food and Drug Administration 2000 CFR Title 21, Volume 6, Chapter 1, Part
589. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/21cfr589_00.html 
[53] International Center for Technology Assessment. Citizen Petition Before
The United States Food And Drug Administration. 1/9/03.
http://www.icta.org/legal/madcow1.htm
[54] Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Regulations: Food for Ruminants,
Livestock and Poultry (Part XIV), "Prohibited Materials"
[55] Food and Drug Administration 2000 CFR Title 21, Volume 6, Chapter 1, Part
589. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/21cfr589_00.html 
[56] Public Citizen. Letter to the FDA and USDA RE: BSE. 21 April 2001.
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/foodsafety/gsfc/articles.cfm?ID=1562
[57] Food and Drug Administration Sec. 685.100 Recycled Animal Waste (CPG
7126.34)
[58] FDCH Political Transcripts December 23, 2003
[59] Unconventional viruses and the origin and disappearance of kuru. 13
December 1976.
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1976/gajdusek-lecture.html
[60] NBC Dateline 14 March 1997.
[61] Pearce, Fred. "BSE May Lurk in Pigs and Chickens." New Scientist 6 April
1996: 5.
[62] United States General Accounting Office. GAO Report to Congressional
Requesters. January 2002 MAD COW DISEASE: Improvements in the Animal Feed Ban
and Other Regulatory Areas Would Strengthen U.S. Prevention Efforts.
GAO-02-183. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02183.pdf 
[63] Chicago Tribune 21 May 21 2003.
[64] "Ministers Hostile to Advice on BSE." New Scientist 30 March 1996: 4.

Lauren
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GAUBSTER2 - 28 Dec 2003 22:47 GMT
>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)
>Date: 12/28/03 2:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>USDA Misleading American Public about Beef Safety
>December 24, 2003 by Michael Greger, M.D.

I am purposefully going to eat even more beef just because of this article!
Thanks, Lauren!

(It would be interesting for the other side to be presented here, rebutting
this one-sided article.)
PawsForThought - 28 Dec 2003 22:51 GMT
>From: gaubster2@aol.com  (GAUBSTER2)

>I am purposefully going to eat even more beef just because of this article!
>Thanks, Lauren!

You're most welcome!

Have a hamburger on me too.  We all know you've already got Mad Troll Disease!
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Cheryl - 28 Dec 2003 22:55 GMT
>>From: gaubster2@aol.com  (GAUBSTER2)
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Have a hamburger on me too.  We all know you've already got Mad Troll
> Disease!

LOL

We can hope he gets CJD from it.

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GAUBSTER2 - 29 Dec 2003 01:57 GMT
>From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com

and

>PawsForThought

>We can hope he gets CJD from it.

I already have it--Can't Justify Dummies.  You and Lauren are 2 of them!
GAUBSTER2 - 29 Dec 2003 01:59 GMT
>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)

>>I am purposefully going to eat even more beef just because of this article!
>>Thanks, Lauren!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Have a hamburger on me too.  We all know you've already got Mad Troll
>Disease!

Hardy, har har.  Too bad you've been shown to be a liar on this ng numerous
times in the past (by your own words).  Again, do you support peta?
Lucifer - 28 Dec 2003 23:55 GMT
>>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)
>>Date: 12/28/03 2:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I am purposefully going to eat even more beef just because of this article!
>Thanks, Lauren!

I'm sure that the American beef industry will be relieved to hear
that.

>(It would be interesting for the other side to be presented here, rebutting
>this one-sided article.)

The US Government is desperately trying to convince folks that beef is
safe.

It may even be right.

But nobody believes the US Government anymore.

Especially foreigners.
GAUBSTER2 - 29 Dec 2003 01:53 GMT
>From: Lucifer lucifer@cheerful.com

>But nobody believes the US Government anymore.
>
>Especially foreigners.

Who cares about "foreigners"?  Which "foreigners" are you referring to?
Morgoth Bauglir - 29 Dec 2003 01:56 GMT
>>From: Lucifer lucifer@cheerful.com
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Who cares about "foreigners"?  Which "foreigners" are you referring to?

The ones who used to buy $17 billion in US beef.
Those foreigners.
Greg Hanson - 29 Dec 2003 14:03 GMT
Has anybody mentioned that the nervous system is
this extensive web throughout a carcass and that
it's not immune to the bad PRIONS?
( They think good PRIONS fight alzheimers )

Has anybody mentioned that PRIONS bunch up
big time in the tongue?

If they ban brains and spine, they need to
ban all nerve fibers (very hard to do) and
they need to stop the many uses for tongue.

And when they strip the spinal cord out of
the carcass, isn't spinal fluid spilling
all over a huge disaster?

5 to 10 year incubation period?
Impervious to autoclave temperatures?

BSE/MadCow/PRIONS/Nervous System/Spinal Fluid
Spongebrain Squarepants/Pika/Cannibalism
frlpwr - 29 Dec 2003 08:27 GMT
(snip)

> I am purposefully going to eat even more beef just because of this > > article!

Excellent!
PawsForThought - 29 Dec 2003 12:07 GMT
>From: frlpwr frlpwr@flash.net

>(snip)
>
>> I am purposefully going to eat even more beef just because of this > >
>article!
>
>Excellent!

LMAO!
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Cheryl - 28 Dec 2003 23:10 GMT
on 28 Dec 2003:

> http://organicconsumers.org/madcow/Greger122403.cfm
>
> USDA Misleading American Public about Beef Safety
> December 24, 2003 by Michael Greger, M.D.

Interesting, and thanks.  What I find ironic is that even with all of the
UDSA safeguards in place, that this has happened. It just proves that no
matter what they tell us, there is a large risk. I just hope that the USDA
and the FDA and CDC don't turn a blind eye like the UK did until it was too
late, and they had to destroy all of the cattle and sheep.

May 2003,
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/bsefaq.html

"What is being done to prevent Canadian products that may be contaminated
with BSE from entering the United States?
The risk to human health resulting from the BSE-infected cow in Canada is
extremely small, if it exists at all; no meat from this animal entered the
human food supply. When this case was reported from Canada, FDA and USDA
reacted immediately. USDA added Canada to its BSE restricted countries
list, and USDA and FDA expanded their restrictions on imports from BSE
countries to Canadian products.

FDA will continue to work with USDA to stop a wide variety of products
(animal feed, human food) with bovine-derived materials from being imported
into the U.S. from BSE restricted countries, including Canada. In addition,
both FDA and USDA are cooperating with the Customs Service to ensure food
safety at the border."

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GAUBSTER2 - 29 Dec 2003 01:55 GMT
>Interesting, and thanks.  What I find ironic is that even with all of the
>UDSA safeguards in place, that this has happened. It just proves that no
>matter what they tell us, there is a large risk.

Stuff happens.  There is a risk to everything.

>I just hope that the USDA
>and the FDA and CDC don't turn a blind eye like the UK did until it was too
>late, and they had to destroy all of the cattle and sheep.

You're the second person to state that they had to destroy "ALL" of the cattle
and sheep.  You mean 100% were destroyed?  I never heard that at all.
Steve G - 29 Dec 2003 17:37 GMT
(...)

> You're the second person to state that they had to destroy "ALL" of the
> cattle and sheep.  You mean 100% were destroyed?  

No, 100% of cattle in the UK were not destroyed. Possibly there's some
confusion here wrt the foot and mouth outbreak in the UK, where very
large numbers of cows indeed were destroyed (but still not 'all'
cows).

Steve.
Cheryl - 29 Dec 2003 23:57 GMT
29 Dec 2003:

>> You're the second person to state that they had to destroy "ALL" of
>> the cattle and sheep.  You mean 100% were destroyed?  
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Steve.

Cows culled over 30 months in age. No, not FMD, BSE.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/agriculture/publi/pac2000/beef/beef_en.pdf
"On the supply side, the decision to eliminate adult cattle of over 30
months in the UK
from the food/feed chain led to a reduction in the expected production for
1996 of
over 300,000 t. More than a million animals went into the scheme in 1996."

Douglas Hogg, then agriculture minister schemed to have all cattle over 30
months culled so as not to be added to the food chain.  This was all
included in a timeline of the BSE crisis in which the "first" known
case in the UK showed up initially in what, 1986?  That is what I meant
about turning a blind eye. It really wasn't something totally unexpected. I
mean there were a lot of livelyhoods involved, tons of money.  It really
wasn't known that by just removing the parts that were removed from animal
feed and human consumption would have ammounted to what it did over the
next 10+ years during the height of the crisis.  Even years later it was
discovered that rendering plants weren't complying with the erradication
plan and were letting diseased parts slip though.

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-L. - 29 Dec 2003 05:39 GMT
> on 28 Dec 2003:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> UDSA safeguards in place, that this has happened. It just proves that no
> matter what they tell us, there is a large risk.

Well, the meat insdustry became highly deregulated under the
Reagan/BushI regimes, and the meat supply became essentially
unwholesome at that point.  Line speeds at slaughter houses sped up
considerably, tainted meat was allowed to be *washed* off (it used to
have to have the contamination carved off) and inspections were left
up to the entities themselves to perform.  They pretty much allowwed
the wolf to guard the chicken houses.  This  - or something worse -
was bound to happen sooner or later.  The incidence of meat-borne
illness skyrocketed.  Two books I recommend: Fast Food Nation by
Schlosser (sp?) and Slaughterhouse by Gail Einsitz.

> I just hope that the USDA
> and the FDA and CDC don't turn a blind eye like the UK did until it was too
> late, and they had to destroy all of the cattle and sheep.

<snip>

Pretty freaking ironic that when it happened in other countries, they
banned the importation of cattle and cattle products, but now that it
is here, the meat is "ok for consumption"...?  The way the animals are
slaughtered, cerebral-spinal fluid leaks on the carcass.  Hamburger is
bound to contain nerve and spinal cord matter.  Rendered beef is in a
ton of products.  Prions are also found in muscle tissue, so it is
possible the muscle tissue could be contaminated and not detected,
even if it was not contaminated with the aforementioned fluid.   No
way in hell will you find me eating any beef in this country.  The
government already allows the meat industry to poison people with E.
coli 0157:H7; 73,000 cases and around 60 deaths occur from it each
year.  All of these illnesses can be prevented with appropriate
teating of the meat, slower slaughtering lines and better care in
slaughtering and animal husbandry.  All of these preventive measures
*can* - and used to be - implemented by the government.

They just have their heads so far up the meat industry's a.s (and
their hand in the meat industry's pocket), they won't.

-L.
GAUBSTER2 - 29 Dec 2003 23:34 GMT
>From: k3_e81@yahoo.com  (-L.)

>Well, the meat insdustry became highly deregulated under the
>Reagan/BushI regimes, and the meat supply became essentially
>unwholesome at that point.

OH brother!  Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy!  You leftists seem to forget that
you had 8 years of the Presidency yourself where you failed to "fix" all of
these conspriacy theories.  If things were so bad, why didn't bl.wj.b Clinton
fix it while he had 8 years to do so?  The only regimes on this planet are the
ones in your head, North Korea, China, Cuba, and a few in the Middle East.
Good thing we deposed the one in Iraq, no?

There sure were a lot of people dropping dead from "unwholesome" meat supplies
from Jan. 20th, 1980 until Jan. 20th 1992!  Take your leftist lunacy theories
somewhere else!

> This  - or something worse -
>was bound to happen sooner or later.

Yeah, the sky is always falling w/ you, isn't it!

>Pretty freaking ironic that when it happened in other countries, they
>banned the importation of cattle and cattle products, but now that it
>is here, the meat is "ok for consumption"...?

Your are freaking out over ONE COW (that came from Canada).  NO deaths have
been reported and yet you are getting your knickers in a knot over nothing but
media hype (currently).

> No
>way in hell will you find me eating any beef in this country.

I doubt you eat beef at all.  For your information, we have the safest food
supply on the planet.  Yet, if things are so much better elsewhere, then why
don't you move?

>They just have their heads so far up the meat industry's a.s (and
>their hand in the meat industry's pocket), they won't.

Have you even ever worked in the meat industry?  I doubt it.  Perhaps you have
some proof of what you allege?  I doubt that too.
Hagar - 30 Dec 2003 23:54 GMT
> OH brother!  Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy!  You leftists seem to forget that
> you had 8 years of the Presidency yourself where you failed to "fix" all of
> these conspriacy theories.  If things were so bad, why didn't bl.wj.b Clinton
> fix it while he had 8 years to do so?

Ahhh, NOW I understand!

You're a neocon!

No WONDER you post like an inhabitant of the shallow end of the
gene pool.

Don't fret - SOMEBODY has to occupy the lower half of the Bell
Curve; it's the nature of the thing.

--

It is not true that all conservatives are stupid.
It is, however, true that most stupid people are conservative.
                                            H. L. Mencken

Bush I:  four years of war and recession.
Clinton: eight years of unprecedented prosperity.
Bush II: four years of war and recession.

It's so simple, even  a neocon can understand it! ;-)

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GAUBSTER2 - 31 Dec 2003 01:59 GMT
>> OH brother!  Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy!  You leftists
>seem to forget that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>bl.wj.b Clinton
>> fix it while he had 8 years to do so?

You completely avoided the substance of the post, didn't you?  Yep, instead you
spin even more:

>Ahhh, NOW I understand!
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Don't fret - SOMEBODY has to occupy the lower half of the Bell
>Curve; it's the nature of the thing.

Like more leftists, you think you are somehow "above" others and throw around
the nasty insults thinking all the time how clever you are.  Ha!

>Bush I:  four years of war and recession.
>Clinton: eight years of unprecedented prosperity.
>Bush II: four years of war and recession.

Too bad for you the facts don't back you up.  Bush 1 didn't have 4 years of
recession.  (would you like to provide some proof?)  Clinton didn't have 8
years of unprecedented prosperity either.  What makes you think that everything
was bad before and after Clinton, but not during?   (and you left out the
prosperity of the Reagan years!)  Bush II hasn't even been in office for 4
years and yet you are sticking him w/ a  4 yr recession and a 4 year war?  Whom
have we been at war with for 4 years, moron?  We aren't in a recession for that
matter either.  What is your definition of "neocon" anyway?  (this ought to be
interesting!)  You've already shown you can't back up your outlandish
allegations, so I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are just a troll.
PawsForThought - 31 Dec 2003 03:42 GMT
>From: Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header  (Hagar)

>> OH brother!  Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy!  You leftists
>seem to forget that
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>No WONDER you post like an inhabitant of the shallow end of the
>gene pool.

Yep, you got him pegged pretty darn good!  LMAO!
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GAUBSTER2 - 31 Dec 2003 18:01 GMT
>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)

>Yep, you got him pegged pretty darn good!  LMAO!

Lauren, don't you have anything of value to add?  Apparently not.  :(  LYAO
Cathy Friedmann - 31 Dec 2003 00:26 GMT
> >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com  (-L.)
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> OH brother!  Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy!  You leftists

A-ha.  We get down to brass tacks, & the apparent root of the disagreements.

Cathy

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seem to forget that
> you had 8 years of the Presidency yourself where you failed to "fix" all of
> these conspriacy theories.  If things were so bad, why didn't bl.wj.b Clinton
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> Have you even ever worked in the meat industry?  I doubt it.  Perhaps you have
> some proof of what you allege?  I doubt that too.
GAUBSTER2 - 31 Dec 2003 02:00 GMT
>From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net

>> >Well, the meat insdustry became highly deregulated under the
>> >Reagan/BushI regimes, and the meat supply became essentially
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>A-ha.  We get down to brass tacks, & the apparent root of the disagreements.

Yep, isn't that what this is all about?  ;)
dgk - 31 Dec 2003 15:29 GMT
>> >From: k3_e81@yahoo.com  (-L.)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Cathy

The brass tack industry is NOT at the root of all disagreements.
Although I do believe that steel tacks are better.
Cheryl - 30 Dec 2003 00:17 GMT
2003:

> They just have their heads so far up the meat industry's a.s (and
> their hand in the meat industry's pocket), they won't.

With the economy in the condition it is in (and supposedly starting to
improve) this isn't going to make for a good turn in the right direction. I
was reading the list of countries banning US beef and other rendered
products and this is going to really hurt. Especially in the Asian market
where most (?) of their beef comes from the US, Iowa was mentioned. Pet
food (non-specified brands, even) was on the list of most every country
participating in the ban.

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frlpwr - 30 Dec 2003 17:10 GMT
-L  wrote:

(snip)

> Well, the meat insdustry became highly deregulated under the
> Reagan/BushI regimes, and the meat supply became essentially
> unwholesome at that point.  

The meat became unwholesome and enforcement of the Humane Slaughter Act,
pitiful protection that it is, became a joke.  The few USDA inspectors
still on site spend all their time in labs searching for pathogens, not
on the bleed rail looking for eye movement and vocalizations in animals
being exsanguinated.
Barb - 29 Dec 2003 17:33 GMT
Well, I for one, unlike another of your responders, am not going to eat more
beef as a result of reading your very informative and well-researched
information.  Unfortunately I don't think I can give up beef, entirely.
Even my vitamin E pills are coated with a gel that contains beef parts.
Chuck and round chopped met and boneless steaks-I go with filet
mignon-supposedly are safer.

The cats will stick with poultry and fish.

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  I can only please one person a day.
  Today is not your day.
  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
PawsForThought - 29 Dec 2003 17:17 GMT
>From: "Barb" bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us

>Well, I for one, unlike another of your responders, am not going to eat more
>beef as a result of reading your very informative and well-researched
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>The cats will stick with poultry and fish.

I don't think I'm quite giving up beef yet either.  But I guess we'll just have
to watch and see what develops, or doesn't develop, at this point.  I buy free
range or organic beef, but I don't even know if that makes that much of a
difference when it comes to BSE.  I guess I'll have to research it to find out
more.

Lauren
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GAUBSTER2 - 29 Dec 2003 23:36 GMT
>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)
>Date: 12/29/03 9:17 AM Pacific Standard Time

> I buy free
>range or organic beef, but I don't even know if that makes that much of a
>difference when it comes to BSE.  

Lauren, what is your defintion of "free-range"?  Somebody on another ng said
that "free-range" doesn't truly exist in the US.
Karen M. - 30 Dec 2003 17:27 GMT
> >From: "Barb" bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>  
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Lauren

Organic-fed cattle are fed vegetarian feed, so you should be okay
there. As for free-range, there is no official definition for eggs,
meat, etc.. You have to call the individual business to find out their
own standards. :)

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PawsForThought - 30 Dec 2003 19:27 GMT
>From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)

>> >From: "Barb" bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>  
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>K

Thanks, Karen.  I don't eat much beef but I do buy a steak about once a week
from Whole Foods Market.  The cats get organic beef but they also don't eat
much beef, mostly chicken, venison, buffalo or ostrich.  I checked Whole Foods
website to see what they had to say and found this:  

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/products/meat_12-24-03.html

Lauren
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MacCandace - 30 Dec 2003 03:47 GMT
<< Even my vitamin E pills are coated with a gel that contains beef parts. >>

I forgot about that.  Mine, too, I think.  That's generally what gelatin is.

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PawsForThought - 30 Dec 2003 13:59 GMT
>From: maccandace@aol.comlitter  (MacCandace)

><< Even my vitamin E pills are coated with a gel that contains beef parts. >>
>
>I forgot about that.  Mine, too, I think.  That's generally what gelatin is.
>
>Candace

They do now have vegetarian capsuled Vitamin E, one brand being Solgar for
example.  As an alternative, you could always use liquid vitamin E, but that
would be kinda icky I suppose.

Lauren
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